Battlestar Galactica S2 E20 Spoilers [Archive]

evilsly

11-03-2006, 09:56

well the 'spoilers' for this ep were 100% accurate

as not many people will have had a chance to see this yet I'll spoiler my first post.

roslin 'wins' through cheating, baltar gets the election. Cloud 9 gets nuked by the pegasus number 6, they populate the planet, a 1 year later caption pops up. Starbuck and Anders are married, Anders is ill (hopefully nothing trivial), the Chief and Cally are married/together and she is pregnant. Things aren't going well on the planet, then the Cylons turn up. Baltar meets caprica 6 again. Cylons march down the main street, the fleet jumps away. Starbuck says 'we'll fight until we can't fight anymore' the end.

so s3 is going to be life under cylon occupation on new caprica it seems.

to answer the question of length, it's 66 minutes of actual show once the ads have been taken out

unrealnils

11-03-2006, 15:24

Jesus christ thats not what i expected i can see why Ron Moore said someone will no be pleased

Damn i thought the ep rocked personally i love the idea the cylons could just hold out but what did they want with starbuck and intresting to see the sympathiser 6 heading the party that meet the preisdent.

How diffrent was Baltar as president then Roslyn :n0rty:

Rosyln has deffinatly changed the last 1/2 of the season i could never see here rigging an exlection in the first season.

Excellent use of the nuclear device as a homing beacon of sorts for the cylons.

Cant belive tis over for another year :(

I love the sceen with the guy from quantum leap (the preist one) "im not a fracking cylon" sees the other one " oh okay then" :D

Surprised to see the Fleet just leave i though Adam would ask pegasus to stay but i guess it was the right thing to do

Oh yeah Adamas moustache :clap:

caygs

11-03-2006, 16:19

Ace_UK_

11-03-2006, 16:58

I love the sceen with the gay from quantum leap (the preist one) "im not a fracking cylon" sees the other one " oh okay then"

hehe, he said gay. :doh:

SqueakyG

11-03-2006, 18:07

How diffrent was Baltar as president then Roslyn :n0rty

Rosyln hsa deffinatly chnaged

I love the sceen with the gay from quantum leap

I see two explanations... this was one of those, "Ummmg I need a poo but I have to type this first really fast" kind of posts, or you started drinking early today ;) :thumbs:

TonyG

11-03-2006, 18:12

Hmmmm, dont know what to think with regard to this. Despite the extra-length, it still felt rushed & too many things seemed to be skipped. Brave direction to take it though. I wonder what Starbuck did to frak off Apollo? .... Did Cloud-9 Six detonate the nuke to signal the Cylons or because she was fracked-off that Baltar only was interested in her for sex?

I'm more worried with regard to next season. Will it go down the predictable road of rebels harrassing the Cylons on New Caprica every week? .... With the Battlestars jumping in & out with suprise attacks on the Cylon fleet?

Still, another fitting end to a very good series.

Steve Jackson

11-03-2006, 18:12

Hmmm, not sure what to say about this. My initial reaction is that the shark has well and truly been jumped, but of course this complete change of plot could just as well turn out to be a stroke of brilliance. I guess we'll find out which it is come October.

unrealnils

11-03-2006, 18:14

I see two explanations... this was one of those, "Ummmg I need a poo but I have to type this first really fast" kind of posts, or you started drinking early today ;) :thumbs:
lol

HowMuch

11-03-2006, 18:37

All I can say is :notworthy .

Taq

11-03-2006, 18:56

Ragnarak

11-03-2006, 19:55

wow Starbuck looks so much better with longer hair.

The ending I thought was good and unexpected, and if it's anything like s2 it'll probably take 6-7 episodes for them all to get rescued and go on the run again.

One thing I'm confused about is how the cylons found them (presumably by accident), since they said they were a light year away when they detected the nuke. Does that mean it took 1 year to get there (if so why not just jump straight there?), or that they picked up the residue of the nuke a year later? Also, if they wanted to leave them alone and go their seperate way (according to Al) why bother coming back to them at all?

Taq

The fastest the radiation from the nuke would take to travel a light year is 1 year. The cylons "saw" the nuke explode and came to investigate, the same way we see stars explode today when they actually went off millions of years ago.

It looks like it was all part of "The Plan".

AlmostHorizontal

11-03-2006, 20:19

Really enjoyed this episode - i didnt read any spoilers so had no idea what was going to happen.

Its set up s3 to be a bit tough on the writers to make it interesting though...

unrealnils

11-03-2006, 20:23

I think they did a good move before it got a bit stale when them hiding from the cylons for anotehr season

Taq

11-03-2006, 20:27

Ah yes I forgot about physics - doesn't usually play that much of a role in sci-fi :)

I guess the whole "we're going away to leave you alone" could just be a big ruse to get them to settle on a planet and be more managable.
The general plan of the cylons has always been tricky and not really consistent. First of all they chase down the Galactica seemingly to blow it up but lose the trail when a ship controlled by them is blown up (33). However it's pretty obvious with all the spies aboard the fleet that they know where they are anyway (Xena cylon gives her position to a fighter in Final Cut to send the report off) and could attack again at any notice but they now hang back.

A few lines of exposition in series 3 as to how this fits together would be nice, before things start going a bit X-Files and collapse under their own weight in confusion :D

lewisrichard

11-03-2006, 20:44

what a very good episode, was really shocked. i didnt think it would end u the way it did.

and the Six which blew up the nuke. i thought she was upset/crying. because she knew what she was about to do.and didnt wanna do it. but she was recieving instructions from the other cylons :shrug:

decloked

11-03-2006, 21:03

The Gina Six showed suicidal tendancies from the start, so she was prepared to use the nuke and bring the cylons to the planet. She was probably feeling remorse at not being able to be with Gaius anymore :shrug:

Excellent show though, and full credit to Ron Moore for taking a huge risk in moving forward a year, you couldnt see something like this happening on Voyager (well you could, but they would always use the reset button and make everything better again).

Also everyone probably thought the nuke would be used on Pegasus, and it didnt, which goes to show how unpredictable this show can be :notworthy

The best line was when "that gay from quantum leap" was saying he's not a cylon, and then sees the other copy and goes oh well :lol:

ulkesh

11-03-2006, 21:22

Whoa... brilliant episode.... especially liked the scene where Adama was talking to Laura about rigging the election, and the fact they came clean, even knowing the consequences.

Gina's suicide was an interesting one, I thought she detonated the nuke as a way to stop Baltar from settling on the planet, and he was just too stubborn to notice... instead you see that Gina has been working with the Cylons all along, and the Cylons had been planning this since the first series when Six told Baltar to get the nuke from Adama - so that if the fleet dissapeared, they could give the Cylons a means to catch up with them.

Only bad thing is that it will be 6 months til the series continues!

Taq

11-03-2006, 21:49

instead you see that Gina has been working with the Cylons all along, and the Cylons had been planning this since the first series when Six told Baltar to get the nuke from Adama

That depends on whether Six is just in Baltar's head (and after the events in Downloaded it seems that she is) or an actual cylon feeding him information.

d80s0q

11-03-2006, 21:49

Could not see that Adama had any other choice with the fleet. What could two barely functioning Battlestars that could only launch alert Vipers do against so many Baseships? They had no choice.

So we can see that the Cloud 9 nuking took out nearly 40% of the survivors. Amazed that with what Roslin had told Adama and the fact that it was his nuke that he was still in power.

40 % Didn't the pop. go from ~ 45k to 39k? In which case we're talking 5-10 5?

Anyway, really interesting episode. Definitely a bold move to go one year into Caprica, but it aloso stops us from having to see how Chief became the Union Pres and so on :)

I want to know:

What of Gaius and his 6?
What of Chief and his 8?
What is Kara to the Cylons?
Will we see more of Al Cylon?
How long before we leave New caprica?
What happened between Kara/Adama (something involving D too I think...)?
Why hasn't Lee got a tache too?
Why do US series always have to finish on a cliffhanger (of sorts)?
When weill people think Mya's baby is unusual?
How much like a cylon will it look?
Lots more....

OK, so it could jump the shark, but this isn't a JJ Abrams show. I have much faith and believe (hope?) they sat down and really planned ahead with this. I'm sure arc-wise they have got the plans, but will the individual eps suffer as a result of their move to New-Caprica?

Roll on october...

d80s0q

chrisns

11-03-2006, 22:08

Who ate all the pies? Who ate all the pies?

Lee.

shocking.

ulkesh

11-03-2006, 22:12

Dualla looked quite nice 1 year on

locutus_uk

11-03-2006, 22:15

Stunning ending. This has really polarised the fans (the various Bulletin Board have gone mad.)
My take is that it was a very ballsy move and I have no idea how it is going to play out. Full marks for Ron Moore for having the guts to do it

andybhoy

11-03-2006, 22:15

I thought it was pretty crap compared to the quality I've come to expect and I hate these "one year later" type plot jumps.

Until about 3 minutes to go, I had still harboured hope they'd at least "Voyager" it back to present time. Would be a cop out, but then so is "one year later".

I am sure it will all come out right, but one positive is that as cliffhangers go, it was more "meh" than the "OMFG" that Season 1 ended on, so I won't spend the next 6 months wanting to see it immediately.

anephric

11-03-2006, 22:35

Two words:

wick-ed.

I screamed when the end titles came up. I thought it was a terrific cliffhanger (curse its hide).

caygs

11-03-2006, 23:00

Of course, having S3 more tied to New Caprica than to space would help keep the fx budget down. Sci Fi would not have suggested something like that would they?

JonLaidlow

11-03-2006, 23:09

I doubt new Caprica will last for the whole of season 3. It's a way to do the split storyline like the Fleet/Caprica split in season 1 I expect. It's also a way to draw out the storyline because, quite honestly, you can only do so much with the search for Earth before you have to find it...

And surely it's not October. Season 2 began in July!

(note - that was a cry of disbelief and dismay, not a question)

Steve Jackson

11-03-2006, 23:27

I doubt new Caprica will last for the whole of season 3. It's a way to do the split storyline like the Fleet/Caprica split in season 1 I expect.
I got fed up of the three-way cast split at the start of the season, and was glad when everyone was back together again.

It's also a way to draw out the storyline because, quite honestly, you can only do so much with the search for Earth before you have to find it...
Of course, I just hope that we don't have a New Caprica underground plot dragged out for too long though. I have to wonder what will happen when the people on the planet are rescued, will the show then revert to the previous format of the fleet on the run looking for Earth?

And surely it's not October. Season 2 began in July!

(note - that was a cry of disbelief and dismay, not a question)
It's a brave move, and a demonstration of belief in BSG to pit it against shows on the main US channels. I just hope it doesn't lose too many viewers as a result.

cockbongo

12-03-2006, 02:53

Fracking incredible. Been thinking about it solidly after watching it this afternoon and I believe it's a ballsy, dramatically fascinating and head-fracking way to go. I salute Moore and Eick for having the guts to do it and completely defying expectation.

Not enough TV this brave these days. Three cheers. Roll on October.

ps - and yeah, Dean Stockwell going "i'm not a cylon! i'm....oh, well, ok then....." was a stroke of genius. As is Eddie's cookie duster....

sleepy67

12-03-2006, 03:15

So we can see that the Cloud 9 nuking took out nearly 40% of the survivors. It didn't, the nuke took out Cloud 9 and at least 2 other ships. However the population figure for the city should not include the crews of the 20 odd ships still in orbit, nor should it include the populations of any outlying settlements and farming communities.

As for your maths the pop count at the start was 49550 for New Caprica City 39192. Thats a drop of 10K from 50K which is 20%

As to Gina, we haven't seen her for quite a few episodes so quite why she decided to shag Baltar to prevent him leaving then decide to initiate the nuke, killing herself in the process, is unknown. Now thats just bad writing. Using the nuke as a signalling device is bad science. Whilst a fission device does emit gamma rays with a unique energy the burst lasts only a fraction of a second. The cylon fleet would have to being exactly the right position to detect said burst which at 1Ly would be incedibly faint, approx 1 photon per 100Km x100Km square according to a quick calc. To be detectable you'd need a signal 10,000 000 000 times stronger than the one Gina created. With those odds it really would need an act of faith to hope someone might detect the signal.

caygs

12-03-2006, 09:47

fivebyfive

12-03-2006, 10:46

It was brave move by the writers and I hope it pays off (I don't think they will drag it out to a full season) It will be interesting to see what happens between baltar and his six (will both of them have their imaginary versions of their partner talking to them?) Also Callie shot the Sharon which is now on the planet and Callie is carrying Tyrol's baby (Sharon stills have feels for Tyrol).

Did the Cylon Priests get kicked out of the airlock?

LeftHandedGuitarist

12-03-2006, 12:13

Really brilliant episode, very shocking ending which I did not see coming. Truly the best thing on TV, loved all of this. Even so, I felt this should have probably been a 3-parter since it felt like there were a few too many points missing and unanswered questions.

Now that Starbuck has long hair, this is the first time I've found her attractive! Really liked Dean Stockwell's character, and I was cheering when the Leoben Cylon came up to Blander's death-bed. Please, please kill that gimp.

Baltar is an even worse President than I ever imagined possible! Superb!
When the "one year later" caption came up I knew some real changes were afoot. This is one of the few shows that would actually dare to try this, can't imagine a Star Trek or Stargate show taking this route.

anephric

12-03-2006, 12:29

Baltar and his "bitches" was hilarious. King of New Caprica, man, the King of New Caprica.

sleepy67

12-03-2006, 12:32

One bit that I was not clear on, was the Priest Cylon supposed to already be with Anders mob or did he sneak in whilst they were all holed up at the top of that hill? If the latter, did no-one think "hang on, who is this guy?" If he has been with Anders all the time, why were the rebels allowed to do what they did? Or is this all part of "the plan"?According to the podcast Caprica!Alyon was with Blanders mob the whole time, unfortunately the scene where he's introduced to the audience didn't work out very well.

As to his effectiveness the resistance was much reduced in numbers since Starbuck left (The Farm) and their base was attacked that day.

caygs

12-03-2006, 12:33

And what was with Mr Gaiter becoming his new lacky? Maybe my memory is lacking, has there been any sort of relationship between the two before?

LeftHandedGuitarist

12-03-2006, 12:36

Well, back in most of the first season, Gaiter was assigned to be Batlar's assistant of sorts.

I'm really annoyed that this isn't back until October, I need more now! I hope they hurry up and announce the Complete Season 2 boxset.

caygs

12-03-2006, 12:40

Of course he was, thanks for reminding me. And I guess that being the man who exposed the stealing of the election from Baltar and thus helping him gain the presidency would have counted for something as well.

Also chuckled at Starbuck being so hapy to see Saul Tigh on New Caprica. My take was that was to show how much things had changed, enemies becoming friends, and that life is so tough there that you seize onto anything familiar for comfort.

Or maybe I read too much into things.

sleepy67

12-03-2006, 12:43

And what was with Mr Gaiter becoming his new lacky? Maybe my memory is lacking, has there been any sort of relationship between the two before?Commander (now Admiral) Adama assigned Lt Gaeta to assist Dr Baltar with his cylon detector (in Water IIRC) in which Gaeta admitted his admiration for Baltar. Later LT Gaeta proved that the recording Shelley Godfrey (a No6 model cylon) provided showing Baltar entering the Defence building was faked thus refuting her allegations of treachery and demonstrating his innocence.

Steve Jackson

12-03-2006, 12:52

Also chuckled at Starbuck being so hapy to see Saul Tigh on New Caprica. My take was that was to show how much things had changed, enemies becoming friends, and that life is so tough there that you seize onto anything familiar for comfort.

Or maybe I read too much into things.
Perhaps it had more to do with her immediately asking him for a favour?

Harsin

12-03-2006, 13:03

Of course, having S3 more tied to New Caprica than to space would help keep the fx budget down. Sci Fi would not have suggested something like that would they?

That was my thought as well. I can see us getting a lot of Stargate style running round the woods for an hour style episodes next season.

Paul C

12-03-2006, 14:00

Very, very ballsy thing to do from RDM. It certainly has polarised the fans but I loved it. Howver, how they continue/conclude this next season will be the real make or break of it. It reminded me a lot of Alias season 2 finish, a big change and we'll have to see how it works out.

smst

12-03-2006, 14:19

I'm still in shock; that was utterly amazing. When the Caprica priest was revealed I literally leapt forward out of my seat as I realised what it meant. (And his encounter with the Galactica priest was priceless.) The priest suggested that there's some controversy over the Cylon religion -- those two Cylons (maybe that whole model?) don't believe in the Cylon God, but the others generally do. Interesting. I guess we can't take anything he says at face value, but I do like the idea that the chase could have been over if the Fleet had just carried on, with the two dissenting Cylons prevailing.

The "One Year Later" move was brave, but I think it was absolutely right. I hardly dared let myself get caught up in the events on New Caprica for fear that it would all have been a dream or something equally inane, and was very pleased that it didn't happen. School teacher Roslin! The Cylon baby! A manly moustache (lucky it wasn't a goatee or I'd have been sure something was up...)!

The writers had to do this, I now see. If the Fleet ends up back together, I hope there are some marked changes from the first two seasons: this can't be a blip which has no overall effect. I'm reminded of Babylon 5, and one of the reasons I really loved that show (no spoilers here): JMS disconnected the reset button, and knew that it was necessary for things to change. Not just character growth, but the whole damn situation. Every year or so, something major would happen and the nature of the show would change; this was a programme in which a major reveal could occur and we'd get the answers we wanted, and the story wouldn't die because of it. A battle really could be decisive in a war, and things would move on, without needing to fall back to the luxury of the prior status quo.

BSG so far has been a Fleet on the run. There have been changes already: Sharon's big secret coming out was a huge one. We could still have our feisty Raptor pilot and her illicit affair with Tyrol, a comfortable known situation forever; those bridges were burned and people were forced to deal with it. I can't wait to see what New Caprica will bring -- overt rebellion, maybe. Covert conspiracy, probably. Or maybe Caprica Six and (our) original Sharon will run the colony better than any human could have done. If the planet is abandoned, I'd love it if we weren't just back to Fleet-on-the-run. Maybe we could chase some Cylons for a change?

...

Anyway, rambling discourse aside: I thought that the finale exceeded that of season one, and I remain a huuuuuge fan of the show, and Ron Moore in particular for having balls.

Vulcan101

12-03-2006, 14:21

The Cylons are playing a very long game on this - Fleet 8 led Adama to the nebula, she plotted all the courses for the rescue mission which meant that one of the rescue raptors went "off course" and found the planet. She also refused to ID any of the other fleet cylons.

Fleet 6 was only pretending that she was suicdal, in the episode where Kara tortured the cylon by trying to drown him he clearly only pretended to be distressed, his face lost all emotion when he wasn't being watched (with his head in the bucket). I think the Cylons already knew they were there and were only waiting for some time to pass beforee springing the trap.

chrisns

12-03-2006, 15:38

Fleet 8 led Adama to the nebula, she plotted all the courses for the rescue mission which meant that one of the rescue raptors went "off course" and found the planet.

How sure are we that it was intentional and not simply an accident by Racetrack and/or her co-pilot? If Sharon (C-Sharon / Fleet 8) purposefully intended this to happen, then why would the cylons come up with the 'detected a nuclear detonation' excuse?

Taq

12-03-2006, 16:57

According to the podcast it was an accident

pandaboy

12-03-2006, 18:10

Superb, gripping, expectation defying stuff! An extensive shake up, although not really in response to any perceived staleness, which is what makes it a brave move. Not allowing people to get bored and to 'roll the hard six' is an attitude a lot of entertainment could benefit from.

Missing out a year looks a great decision, as it opens up a lot of new options for the writers in terms of character and provides a whole new swath of backstory to uncover over S3. The new setup also puts them in a position to involve all sorts of real world issues and philisophical matters, as they have already successfully done in other circumstances.

Seems unlikely that the show will be stuck on the planet for that long though, but the resumption of the search for Earth will presumably come under a whole new set of circumstances and attitudes - the characters having moved on and to an extent settled in the meantime.

It's extremely intriguing to think how all the new pieces are going to fit together come October, especially as we don't know what it is the Cylons are going to be demanding yet!

ph

Harsin

12-03-2006, 19:22

Richie

12-03-2006, 19:47

The colonials are crap, look at Deadwood and how quickly they knocked up a town without stuff like electricity while the the space people have been there for a year and are still living in Tramp Village. You can only blame the loony president and hooky unions for so much.
It's not their fault! Sci-fi doesn't have HBO's budget! ;) *ahem*

What is Kara to the Cylons?
Remember The Farm! ;)

Fatbloke

12-03-2006, 19:50

OK, fill me in here, who was the guy asking for Starbuck at the beginning of the occupation? Have we seen him before?

The episode felt like the last episode ever, not just a season. I kept thinking, this is the end of BSG? But no, it's another twist in the story. I'll reserve judgement until later in the year when we see where the writers are taking us. The one year jump certainly gives them a lot more backstory for them to play with.

One last thought, I'm wondering if it's possible that the 6 and 8's are now pro-human and have convinced the 'weapons depot' cylon to their cause. It could be this is not an occupation force, rather a peace keeping force... Sort of like what's happening in Iraq and elsewhere atm. Interesting if Starbuck and Co. become the insurgents.

DavidO

12-03-2006, 19:59

OK, fill me in here, who was the guy asking for Starbuck at the beginning of the occupation? Have we seen him before?

He's Leoben, the cylon that attacks Adama in the Miniseries and is interrogated by Starbuck in the episode 'Flesh and Bone' from the first season.

sleepy67

12-03-2006, 20:07

He's Leoben, the cylon that attacks Adama in the Miniseries and is interrogated by Starbuck in the episode 'Flesh and Bone' from the first season.And who knew so much about her in that ep, curious as to what he wants with her. Revenge seems so petty especially as he's around before the toasters march down Champs d'Elysées. Is he an envoy from a cylon faction which opposes the Heroes? Much goodness to come.

chrisns

12-03-2006, 20:15

And who knew so much about her in that ep, curious as to what he wants with her. Revenge seems so petty especially as he's around before the toasters march down Champs d'Elysées. Is he an envoy from a cylon faction which opposes the Heroes? Much goodness to come.

Leoben won't want revenge. Just before his execution in that ep, Kara and he seemed to have a strange moment of bonding and, perhaps, that's what is on his mind...

sleepy67

12-03-2006, 20:19

Leoben won't want revenge. Just before his execution in that ep, Kara and he seemed to have a strange moment of bonding and, perhaps, that's what is on his mind...Yeah, gonna have to rewatch that ep over summer to see if there's any foreshadowyness to be found.

Though wasn't there doubt as to whether they were in range for the downloading to work? So that Leoban may well be toast.

chrisns

12-03-2006, 20:22

...So that Leoban may well be toast.
In which case, the obsession of Kara may be more strategic for the Cylons as a whole and not just the result of one skin-job getting the horn for the Buckster...

DavidO

12-03-2006, 20:38

Although wasn't it mentioned that the Resurrection Ship was tailing them all along?

Art Vanderlay

12-03-2006, 21:25

Did anyone else think that the Cylon baby looked way too young to be more than a year old? Or was that deliberate - to show that the baby was 'different'

It would make a change from what I expected, that the baby would grow up more quickly than normal ;)

LeftHandedGuitarist

12-03-2006, 22:59

Damn it, where the frak is the Season 2.5/Complete Season 2 announcement? Rarrrgh.

I want to give special mention to one of the opening scenes of this episode, which was with Cally and Chief Tyrol. That was heartbreaking and wonderfully scripted/acted, it nearly brought a tear to me eye.

The more I think about watching the episode, the more I realise I loved the ending. I think sci-fi the likes of Star Trek has warped our minds a little bit, because when "one year later" appeared, I immediately thought "yeah, but it's a dream or it'll all go back to normal in a bit". That's what Trek would have done (well, maybe not DS9, but that's another discussion entirely...) and it was really brave and unexpected, and a prime example of going against our preconceptions (and also highlighting just how easy that is to achieve!).

Occupation: New Caprica is going to be a fun show to watch!

d80s0q

12-03-2006, 23:09

It's not their fault! Sci-fi doesn't have HBO's budget! ;) *ahem*

Remember The Farm! ;)

I refuse to believe the whole Kara thing is down to them wanting her as a home for their babies. There must either be something else, or some reason why she should be used for that purpose...

d80s0q

sleepy67

13-03-2006, 01:09

Did anyone else think that the Cylon baby looked way too young to be more than a year old? Or was that deliberate - to show that the baby was 'different'Don't forget the baby was a preemie and they often grow slowler than full terms. Plus there's the great unknown just what is the normal developmental growth of a 1 y.o. cybrid preemie?

Deano

13-03-2006, 02:48

I'm firmly in the camp that thinks it was a stroke of brilliance.
The only small problem I have is with Baltar and how poor a President he made... I didn't expect him to be brilliant by any stretch but he's a smart man and wouldn't have thought he was that bad.

I did wonder where they were going when '1 year later' happened, I could see at one point them really ignoring the cylons for a little while and focusing on the problems of creating the new world - there was definatly a fair amount of time spent establishing the problems already existing there.
It's for that reason I can definatly see the cylons not wanting to take over as such. If they wanted to wipe everyone out they'd have nuked the planet, and they've no need for slave labour as they have the centurions. I can see a sort of uneasy truce developing between the two groups (indeed, perhaps there's been a schism in the cylon 'government' too, and this is a rogue group).

The really ballsy thing about the '1 year later' idea was doing it right at the end of the season, keeping people waiting six months to find out what the series is now. They could easily have eneded it on the nuclear explosion, and opened season 3 with '1 year later'. They'd have still had a lot of negative reactions but it would have been more 'this sucks but lets see what they do with it next week' than 'this sucks, I'm not watching it anymore'.

JonLaidlow

13-03-2006, 09:25

Have there really been lots of reactions like that? it's just, so, um, sad.... What bit don't they like?

J

GCfreako

13-03-2006, 09:31

Brilliant episode.

Who's that guy asking for Starbuck in the tent towards the end? A new cylon?

Steve Jackson

13-03-2006, 09:41

It's not their fault! Sci-fi doesn't have HBO's budget! ;)
If rumours are true about the move to NBC then perhaps they'll have a nice increase in budget for season three.

wocko

13-03-2006, 09:52

Who's that guy asking for Starbuck in the tent towards the end? A new cylon?
He's the cylon from the mini series which they find on the abandoned station and who then ends up alone with Adama. He also turns up in the fleet and gets interrogated by Starbuck before being thrown out an airlock.

So that's 7 out of the 12 models we've seen now, 3 new ones in S2, wonder how many will turn up on Cylon occupied New Caprica :o

LeftHandedGuitarist

13-03-2006, 09:57

If rumours are true about the move to NBC then perhaps they'll have a nice increase in budget for season three.

You'd think with funding from SciFi, NBC and Sky already that budgetary limitations wouldn't be a huge issue.
I've always felt that the show reflects a high level of production value, though that could be more down to the abilities and experience of the cast and crew.

Richie

13-03-2006, 10:18

GCfreako

13-03-2006, 10:18

He's the cylon from the mini series which they find on the abandoned station and who then ends up alone with Adama. He also turns up in the fleet and gets interrogated by Starbuck before being thrown out an airlock.

Ahh, didn't recognise him.

cockbongo

13-03-2006, 10:24

You'd think with funding from SciFi, NBC and Sky already that budgetary limitations wouldn't be a huge issue.
I've always felt that the show reflects a high level of production value, though that could be more down to the abilities and experience of the cast and crew.

According to the podcast, the action sequences are usually done on a shoestring.

Teece

13-03-2006, 10:30

So was I the only one who thought http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0162222/ when the one-year-later came up? :lol:

A very brave move - I hope the writers can make it work. We had a couple of misfires in the second half of S2 - which Moore himself admits to - I fully expect him not to be sleeping between now and the end of the first S3 arc to ensure the quality doesn't slip. I can't imagine he doesn't have very firm ideas as to where things are going.

ro_ram_ro

13-03-2006, 10:52

Erm, I was joking about 'the budget' in reference to Harsin's comment about how quickly the Deadwood pioneers managed to build a town with no electricity or technology compared to the BSG refugees! I was using yu-mour! ;) :dork:

Budget Constraints are one of the reasons why its so good, using it within the plot to explain why they have to be so non-advanced because of the cylons ability to takeover any processor driven technology. This being has always been worked into the plot cleverly, leaving no need for flashy star trek effects. The lack of progress on New Caprica was probably to show how inept Baltar was at being the Pres, plus showing how New Caprica was just a very harsh and inhospitable environment with no resources, hence the lack of medicines, building material, and therefore a bad choice for settlement.

It was interesting that the Cylons intitial offer of return and forgiveniess was just made to Adama and the old President, so does Baltar know about this? Have the Cylons come to revise the offer or just use the humans as a big farm? I also like the fact that they have built up the fact of that the actions of the humans can be just as bad as the cylons, cylons realisation that wiping out the human race was wrong? Always assuming that all cylons have bad intentions. this has been more apparent in Series 2, and looks like it will become more so in Season 3.

Knowing RM this could go off into many tangents, but it seems he leaves lots of plot clues as to where its going through out dialog and actions within the series.

Deano

13-03-2006, 18:27

Have there really been lots of reactions like that? it's just, so, um, sad.... What bit don't they like?

J

Yep, here's just one author's livejournal which gives a rather negative take that many of the commenters on thier agree with. Be warned thier are spoilers for Atlantis and SG1 finales too:
http://kradical.livejournal.com/426357.html#cutid1

amcanally

13-03-2006, 18:35

Who ate all the pies? Who ate all the pies?

Lee.

shocking.

:lol: I was quite impressed by this - the actor deliberatly putting on weight to show how relaxed things had got since the cylon threat seemed to have gone. Suprising for a SciFi actor to be so "method". Like De Niro in Raging Bull....

Loved this episode - not as dramtic as the last finale, but for sheer "out of nowhere" twist it was great - Roll on October....

chrisns

13-03-2006, 19:55

I was quite impressed by this - the actor deliberatly putting on weight to show how relaxed things had got since the cylon threat seemed to have gone.

You mean that was REAL? I'd just assumed it was creative camerawork and a touch of latex! (Also, I'd love to be applauded for putting on a few extra pounds... :( )

DavidO

13-03-2006, 19:59

You mean that was REAL? I'd just assumed it was creative camerawork and a touch of latex! (Also, I'd love to be applauded for putting on a few extra pounds... :( )

It wasn't real, just some padding around the waist and, as you said, latex on the face.

Harsin

13-03-2006, 20:32

Next you'll be telling me Adama's tache wasn't real.

LeftHandedGuitarist

13-03-2006, 20:50

It was a stunt 'tache, donated by Bennett from Commando.

chrisns

13-03-2006, 21:15

I swear that 'tache was crawling around in my bath last week. Had to whack it several times with a rolled-up newspaper.

carlmcg

14-03-2006, 00:21

That tache was attached with Darma theatrical glue.

amcanally

14-03-2006, 01:21

It wasn't real, just some padding around the waist and, as you said, latex on the face.

:eek: You'll be telling me there's no easter bunny next.... :cry:

Sprout Crumble

14-03-2006, 03:14

There isn't any more. It was skinned for Adamas 'tache.

caygs

14-03-2006, 05:55

:eek: You'll be telling me there's no easter bunny next.... :cry:
Fortunately they did not get onto the Easter Bunny in the podcast. Father Christmas on the other hand.....

Teece

14-03-2006, 09:57

It wasn't real, just some padding around the waist and, as you said, latex on the face.

The podcast talks about the fat. Can't remember the name, but Moore details how it's a pig to work with, and has limited applications, and takes ages to apply! So I expect Lee to slim down rapidly at the start of S3!

mufflator

15-03-2006, 22:28

I think this episode was a brilliant way to inject fresh air into the series.

We've seen many times what happens when a series runs out of ideas, constrained mainly by trying to follow a linear time line and yet still produce 20 exciting episodes per season. Galactica was starting to show signs of this with 3 fairly lacklustre episodes in the second half of the season, and you definitely felt like they were running out of things to do other than the overall goal of finding Earth and discovering the other Cylons.

With this episode we suddenly have a brand new challenge for Adama and co. to overcome, a whole year of backstory to fill and many new questions to be answered. Why did Pegasus Six detonate the nuke? Why were they looking for Starbuck? What happened between Kara and Lee? What were the Cylons playing at by leaving Caprica? Why did they not simple nuke New Caprica? Will they find the baby? What is Caprica Six up to? Why did Roslyn give up politics? What will Adama's plan be? How long until that annoying guy who married Starbuck finally dies?

That's at least half a season of episodes covered right there ;)

Richie

15-03-2006, 23:37

What's with all the hate for Blanders? He's top totty and therefore integral to the show!

sleepy67

15-03-2006, 23:45

What's with all the hate for Blanders? He's top totty and therefore integral to the show!Not qualified to comment on his totty rating, my tastes tending towards blondes with attitude. However ignoring that, he is only back cos Katee wanted the return of this character. Hopefully he will drown in his own fluids in the teaser to s03e01

chrisns

16-03-2006, 00:31

he is only back cos Katee wanted the return of this character.

Is that a fact? If so, it's interesting how much influence she has with the producers and also backs up my own personal theory that Kara Thrace was the product of the Cylons first ever attempt to breed a human/cylon hybrid. They were successful but weren't sure how and their other attempts to date have been flawed. Hence the desire to find her. :nuts:

Brozyniak

16-03-2006, 11:57

Is that a fact? If so, it's interesting how much influence she has with the producers and also backs up my own personal theory that Kara Thrace was the product of the Cylons first ever attempt to breed a human/cylon hybrid. They were successful but weren't sure how and their other attempts to date have been flawed. Hence the desire to find her. :nuts:

Now thats a streeeeetch :nuts:

But them I'm a cylon and didn't see her at the meetings :lol:

pandaboy

16-03-2006, 18:17

It occurs to me that the missing year of backstory that they've built into this new plot twist puts them in a position to do a few 'Lost' style episodes next season, parallelling characters' current activities with their story in the missing year that explains how they come to the decisions they make.

Oh, and hopefully Adama's 'tache will get it's own episode...

...and then it's own spin off series.

ph

mufflator

16-03-2006, 20:09

Didn't Adama have the same tache in the flashbacks earlier in the series back when they were fighting the Cylons in the 70s? Did the Cylons really detect the nuke or was it the tache?

LeftHandedGuitarist

16-03-2006, 20:11

Yes he did. He also has the 'tache in several old behind the scenes interviews. He also had it in Blade Runner didn't he? He actually looks better with it.

Steve Jackson

16-03-2006, 21:05

He also had it in Blade Runner didn't he? He actually looks better with it.
And Miami Vice of course.

Pudding

16-03-2006, 21:19

Anyone else reminded of Pinky and the brain by Starbucks chirpy reistance mantra?

d80s0q

16-03-2006, 21:27

And Miami Vice of course.

And Dead Man's Walk as advertiused on some digital ITV channel earlier today :)

LeftHandedGuitarist

16-03-2006, 21:31

Anyone else reminded of Pinky and the brain by Starbucks chirpy reistance mantra?

:clap: heehee

By the way, next weeks Sky One broadcast is being shown as a double-episode, Resurrection Ship Part 1 & Part 2.

riz1

18-03-2006, 20:36

Bugger - that ruins my thursday TV timetable: BSG/ER/Question-Time!!

Niceguygeoff

02-05-2006, 19:33

Just seen the finale, and what an awesome episode. To turn the show on a sixpence like that was ballsy in the extreme but it worked for me, although the biggest shocks were Adama's face furniture and Apollo's impression of Orca the whale. Shame we've got to wait until October to get another fix.

JohnMac

16-05-2006, 22:15

The battle of the bombs result:

BSG Nuke = 10
60 Year Old German bomb = 1

MarcusJClifford

16-05-2006, 23:02

Who was the actor swearing in Baltar as president - im sure I recongnise him from somewhere, but he's not listing on IMDB episode cast.

new

17-05-2006, 06:32

I just found the ending a bit of a stuck on job (were using double sided tape for quickness, but you might want to use glue).

Surely they could have built this up a bit more over another episode or two rather than have what seamed like a stuck on 15mins at the end :shrug:

On the plus side Im looking forward to where they take this next season :thumbs:

SPB

17-05-2006, 13:29

The whole '1 year later...' thing didn't sit too well with me initially. I thought it was all too quick when watching it. But it could be a good thing in the end.

One question, why did the priest (Stockwell) proclaim peace to all? Was it a simple lie just so that everyone would let their guard down and the masterplan could be easily implemented come 'judgement day'? Or has Caprica 6 et al been 'reprogrammed'. Even Adama thought the Cylons were gone for good?

pandaboy

17-05-2006, 15:35

It's impossible to answer those questions at the moment because we don't actually know what the Cylons want with humanity at the end of the season. Presumably they want to continue their breeding experiments, but we don't know for sure yet.

ph

avid fan

17-05-2006, 15:39

Great episode, to back up whet everyone else has said.

Just one question: The first of this two-parter seemed particularly concerned with Chief and his suicidal dream (which I was pretty sure would fulfil itself through some convoluted means in the finale), and yet there was not really any mention of this in the second episode. :suspect:

Was this purely to introduce Dean Stockwell’s character???

Alan b

17-05-2006, 16:22

The whole '1 year later...' thing didn't sit too well with me initially. I thought it was all too quick when watching it. But it could be a good thing in the end.

I thought that to at first but then not knowing what happened to them all and only finding out bits and pieces added something to the story for me.

That last bit where the Cylons were walking down the street was fantastic.

Crazy Squirrel

17-05-2006, 18:28

I got a Q about the prisoner Six, Baltar smuggled her off to that group. Until tonights episode I had mistakenly thought that the Six in the group was a different Six... Anyway, what was that group? They were demanding something if I remember correctly?

LeftHandedGuitarist

17-05-2006, 18:56

They were a Cylon Sympathiser group.

Crazy Squirrel

17-05-2006, 19:04

Ah yeah now I remember, thxs!!

LeftHandedGuitarist

17-05-2006, 19:09

Just one question: The first of this two-parter seemed particularly concerned with Chief and his suicidal dream (which I was pretty sure would fulfil itself through some convoluted means in the finale), and yet there was not really any mention of this in the second episode. :suspect:

Was this purely to introduce Dean Stockwell’s character???

There's several ways to look at this.

1) The Chief's main problem was that he was worried he was a Cylon and didn't know it. The Dean Stockwell character pretty much told him that he wasn't one, and when he was found to be a Cylon the Chief may have been able to put his worries aside.

2) Problems don't just go away after 45 mins in real life, and the show is trying to come across as a bit more realistic, in terms of characters and emotion at least.

3) A whole year has passed, and we may get some of the back story filled in next season which may contribute to letting us know if the Chief had any more problems.

Walrus Man

18-05-2006, 11:43

I have mixed feelings about the ending of this season, the cliff-hanger wasn't an OMG moment like season one, or half way through season two, but very interesting all the same, and I hope they can pull off another quality season next time.

I loved Cylon Al, the scene where he came face to face with himself whilst denying he was a Cylon was a classic. :lol:

...and the fact that he was a Cylon made his "I haven't seen you at the meetings" line last week even better. :thumbs:

jackal

18-05-2006, 14:01

I watched 2.20 a few weeks ago, and didn't know it was an extended ep. When the nuke went off, and it faded to black, I thought "FRAK me, what a cliffhanger!" expecting that to be it.

Instead, when we got another 20 mins of "one year later" stuff, I couldn't believe it - for me it just destroyed the momentum of what had been a superb season up to that point. All the plotlines, character arcs, etc. that had been simmering and developing - just suddenly fast-forwarded and (IMO) ruined. Reminded me of the disastrous time-shift between Alias seasons 2/3. My gut reaction was, and is, that BSG has completely jumped the shark. Not a popular view round here, judging from other comments (and I'll be SOOOOO happy to addmit I'm wrong, if season 3 is a cracker), but I'm still mightily upset at that ending even now. :cry: