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no surprise there then
well, I suppose we can let you come to Wales then :)
Art Vanderlay
08-02-2006, 12:02
Our track record with these sort of builds is hopeless. So many major (and minor, for that matter) projects in this country go way over budget and over time.
I really fear what is going to happen with the Olympics.
It's a Joke. Did'nt they come out with a statement 1 week ago saying they werre 70% ready for the final.
Also havent they got a contract that every day they go over there will be huge fines, maybe you can get some of the money back, reported to be £600m
Ha ha And our stadium which you have borrowed for the last 4 years or so cost 1/4 of that.
It's a Joke. Did'nt they come out with a statement 1 week ago saying they werre 70% ready for the final.
Also havent they got a contract that every day they go over there will be huge fines, maybe you can get some of the money back, reported to be £600m
Ha ha And our stadium which you have borrowed for the last 4 years or so cost 1/4 of that.
Last week they came out and said there was only a 70% chance of it being ready, not 70% done.
They stand to lose 120k for every day over the march deadline, they are trying there best to get out of this but I dont think they will succed. I think they just dont want to lose more than the £70Mil they have lost already.
All I can say is thank god for Ken Bate, it was done to hin that this was put into the contract, other the FA would take a severe hammering, what with this and the Sven pay off.
Ha ha And our stadium which you have borrowed for the last 4 years or so cost 1/4 of that.
And is built in Cardiff not London.
Ha ha And our stadium which you have borrowed for the last 4 years or so cost 1/4 of that.
Yeah but Wembley is going to be 4x better :p
Plus your stadium was built on wasteland.....Cardiff :D
So first major final will be rugby league challange cup, dont worry us northerners will do it justice.
:D
Not sure, does that mean the playoffs are at Cardiff as well now?
Greemie666
08-02-2006, 18:32
Nothing wrong with Cardiff. Brilliant stadium and a v nice city.
So first major final will be rugby league challange cup, dont worry us northerners will do it justice.
:D
Aye, I`ll be there for the Challenge cup final :thumbs:
Chef.
SOUNDSTYLE
09-02-2006, 13:53
It's a shame if this report is true.
But is anyone really surprised about all this, because it seems to me as if every major project undertaken in this country is beset by problems. Look at the high speed channel tunnel rail link for example, how many years has the tunnel been open now and the line still isn't completed and operational.
SOUNDSTYLE
09-02-2006, 17:43
But is anyone really surprised about all this, because it seems to me as if every major project undertaken in this country is beset by problems. Look at the high speed channel tunnel rail link for example, how many years has the tunnel been open now and the line still isn't completed and operational.
I can see it now: the London Olympics will commence in 2013 because nothing was completed on time. :lol:
Dorkgirl
20-02-2006, 22:42
Woohoo (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4731888.stm)
I've loved having the various football (and RL) events in Cardiff. I was staying in a flat in the same street as the stadium for the Liverpool v Chelsea Carling Cup final and it was a great day.
It's nice to have some good news involving the Stadium that doesn't remind me of the mess (again) we're making rugby wise. :)
KennyVader
21-02-2006, 01:18
There's been loads on this in the Australian press for months (the builders Multiplex being an Australian company), everyone's known there's no way that it would be finished in time.
The main problem is that (1) the scope of the project kept changing and nobody kept it in check, and (2) far too much was made of the importance of the required opening date, pressure which has got even worse in recent weeks (3) so much of the project was subcontracted out.
(2) and (3) combined to devastating effects like the original steel fabricator just cutting their losses and walking off the project altogether, and as the required finish date approached, remaining or new subcontractors have been able to charge Multiplex pretty much whatever they want because they knew damn well that Multiplex had no choice. The F.A. or Multiplex should have been much more chilled about when it needed to be finished and not tried to open the place with an event as high profile as the FA Cup. Look at any other massive building project such as the most recent Docklands Light Railway extension or the Sage Centre in Gateshead, they both opened quietly when they happened to be ready well ahead of their official opening headline events.
I was absolutely stunned when they started selling concert tickets as well. The FA cup may be movable to Cardiff as footie fans are a dedicated lot but music fans are a different animal. No way will they all quietly go elsewhere, certainly not hundreds of miles away. The only hope for the concerts is if they move them to the new Emirates Stadium (if they'll fit).
The worrying thing is that this is all going to happen again with the 2012 Olympics unless someone learns from the Wembley fiasco and they build sufficient time in to the schedules for things to slip and not allow subcontractors to hold the projects to ransom.
Falling to bits already!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4824448.stm
And on the very same day the FA announce that they are putting Wembley forward to host the Champions League final of 2008:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4826800.stm
Are they sure that the stadium will be completed by then :suspect:
Well this is turning into a huge farce. Now expected to finish Feb 2007
AdamBrunt
31-03-2006, 08:24
Well this is turning into a huge farce. Now expected to finish Feb 2007
Actually, I'm sure Radio 5 said the stadium would be ready by September ... it's just that the FA don't have a need for the stadium between Sept and Feb.
IMO it's now quite likely that the FA will try to sneak in a meaningless friendly in the Autumn just so they can say they used the stadium this year !!!
KennyVader
31-03-2006, 09:05
As I predicted, they are moving the pop concerts too (I couldn't believe they even tried to book them). Seems like everyone is now expected to Milton Keynes Bowl for the gigs, which is quite ridiculous, getting there is a very different proposition for most people to just hopping on the Metropolitan Line. Unless the concert promoters do some serious refunding, expect thousands of these tickets on ebay. I'm amazed that they haven't been able to move the gigs to another big London stadium like Twickenham, the new Emirates stadium, or even QPR, Chelsea etc. Or even Hyde Park!
edit: Don't know how many concert tickets they had sold for Wembley as the pitch is an unknown capacity, but Wembley Stadium was supposed to have 90,000 seats, and MK Bowl has 65,000 seats, so things do not add up. They must be doing some serious refunding.
I'd agree this is quite shocking - I could understand a couple of months of further delay with the way things have gone, but not this long. Quite ridiculous.
I'm not going to Bon Jovi but my first reaction to their move to MK was that a number of people may not be able to travel there, so would expect some Ebayed tickets there.
AdamBrunt
31-03-2006, 09:58
As I predicted, they are moving the pop concerts too (I couldn't believe they even tried to book them). Seems like everyone is now expected to Milton Keynes Bowl for the gigs, which is quite ridiculous, getting there is a very different proposition for most people to just hopping on the Metropolitan Line.
Unless you live "up north", where getting to the MK Bowl is a damn site easier than Wembley ;)
In fact - ignoring arguments about where most concert goers live, etc - due to their geographic location surely more people would be better off if "something" moved from Wembley to MK Bowl ?? As there are more people living north of MK than there are living south of Wembley ??
I'm amazed that they haven't been able to move the gigs to another big London stadium like Twickenham, the new Emirates stadium, or even QPR, Chelsea etc. Or even Hyde Park!
According to the Sport & Social club at work, if the Robbie Williams concert (on the 16th Sep) can't take place at Wembley they have been informed that it will move to Twickenham.
Last week WH were offering 8/1 on Wembley not being finished by 2007. I missed it - damn!
And they were offering 25/1 on it not being ready for the 2007 FA Cup final - I bet them odds are more like even money now.
The whole sorry saga is a huge embarrassment from the FA and everyone involved in it. Quite why in this country we can't build something like this within the timescale and within budget is beyond me. I don't remember problems like this when the Millennium Stadium was being built.
Seems like everyone is now expected to Milton Keynes Bowl for the gigs, which is quite ridiculous, getting there is a very different proposition for most people to just hopping on the Metropolitan Line.
My brother and his wife are quite pleased that the Bon Jovi concert is now in Milton Keynes as it is easier for them to get to. Not everybody lives within the hopping distance of the Metropolitan line.
AdamBrunt
31-03-2006, 16:21
Last week WH were offering 8/1 on Wembley not being finished by 2007. I missed it - damn!
As I said earlier .... as I understand Wembley is expected to be finished by September.
However, due to the time it takes to get a "crowd licences" (or whatever it is called) and England not having a game between September and February ... the FA won't be using the stadium until 2007.
KennyVader
31-03-2006, 21:46
My brother and his wife are quite pleased that the Bon Jovi concert is now in Milton Keynes as it is easier for them to get to. Not everybody lives within the hopping distance of the Metropolitan line.
Yes yes I agree not everyone lives within hopping distance of the Met line. I am certain there are quite a large number of people for whom moving the concert to MK is better. But it will not be the majority. The fact is that the tickets were sold based on the event being in London, and on the tube network, which is how a lot of people would have been counting on being able to get there. Not everyone has cars, not everyone has the extra money for the train to MK, the time off work, the extra money for hotels if need be.
The Wembley owners/managers should *never* have allowed concert promoters to either firmly book the venue or sell tickets with such uncertainty hanging over it's availability, or they should have made damn sure a reserve venue much nearer was available.
edit: there are some great photos of the finished areas of the stadium in this quite large PDF (http://www.multiplexcapital.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Wembley%20Announment.pdf) - it does look nice.
SOUNDSTYLE
31-07-2006, 18:53
Incredible...
A number of reports are saying it is becoming increasingly doubtful that the new Wembley will be ready for the 2007 FA Cup final.
We'd better start work on the Olympic buildings/infrustructure now to save us from a lot of embarrassment.
Incredible...
A number of reports are saying it is becoming increasingly doubtful that the new Wembley will be ready for the 2007 FA Cup final.
Confirmed here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5230228.stm
As I said earlier we can't seem to build anything on time and in budget these days. Multiplex must have wished they had not took this on now as they are not coming out of this in a good light.
Harold1066
31-07-2006, 19:04
We'd better start work on the Olympic buildings/infrustructure now to save us from a lot of embarrassment.
The've already started putting back the completion dates for the olympics :oh-hum:
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/07/26/sobose26.xml)
Confirmed here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5230228.stm
As I said earlier we can't seem to build anything on time and in budget these days. Multiplex must have wished they had not took this on now as they are not coming out of this in a good light.
Multiplex won't exist when this finishes, they are making incredible losses with these delays
pompeyfan
31-07-2006, 19:37
With all the fantastic stadia going up all over the world on time and within budget, how come we're making such a pigs breakfast of the whole affair?
Wonder if it'll be ready for the 2018 world cup if we get it.
There have been a number of court cases surrounding the whole build. The steel suppliers agreed their fee (£20m odd) without once getting it in writing (suposedly), then when they invoiced Multiplex they were told to do one.
A £50m court case and 18 months later its still not really sorted out.
Then you have shoddy workmanship (steels falling all over the place) and poor structural engineers (the 'arch') and it amounts to a pretty poor job. Having said that its been under the spotlight since day one.
Mcalpine Construction on the other hand managed the Arsenal stadium on time and within Budget. Thats why they are predicted to get the Olympic stadium contract
It's pretty sad that the National Stadium has been such a disaster, because we have built quite a number of of new stadia and stands in recent years in the UK and very few have had major delays. Just hope we don't make the same pigs ear of the Olympic stadium.
As far as Wembley is concerned, I'd rather they concentrated now on ensuring everything was safe and fit to use, so that it's ready for this season's cup finals, rather than rushing to finish it for an arbitrary deadline with no event to be ready for.
lostboy182
01-08-2006, 09:44
Isnt this due to Multiplex having the majority of their staff working on a (more lucrative to them) shopping complex in Hammersmith?
Amazing they have gone from the rather impressive, and on time, Sydney Olympic stadium, to this fiasco.
I'd rather they concentrated now on ensuring everything was safe and fit to use, so that it's ready for this season's cup final
I thought they said June was the new date :eek:
The Sydney complex is pretty amazing. It makes you wonder who is at fault here given Multiplex seemingly managed that without issue.
The June thing is a bit of a misleading headline really - I think I read that the stadium will be completed well before this but the management need to have various 'test' events to get all the necessary licenses, etc.
Granted, it can't hold a 'proper' event until this is done (which may be June), but it's not like Multiplex will still be building it then (jinx!).
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