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Hullo people,
Gutted by the absolute cruddiness of the Angel S1 R2 release!!
I was wondering does anyone know when the R1 release is gonna surface or any details???
PLEEAAASE BE A WIDESCREEN RELEASE!!!!
FOXDIE!!
hhmmm... Foxdie isn't that a fatal disease in Metal Gear Solid???
I shall be on the phone to Solid Snake methinks!!...:D
Originally posted by Spike
Hullo people,
Gutted by the absolute cruddiness of the Angel S1 R2 release!!
I was wondering does anyone know when the R1 release is gonna surface or any details???
PLEEAAASE BE A WIDESCREEN RELEASE!!!!
FOXDIE!!
hhmmm... Foxdie isn't that a fatal disease in Metal Gear Solid???
I shall be on the phone to Solid Snake methinks!!...:D
S1 will surface at some point but probably not for at least 2 or 3 years because of US syndication rights
ooh eck! ...hmmm what to do?....what to do?...
Just get the R2/4 release, it's a good set and the season was shot in open matte with a intended 1.33:1 frame anyway.
Like Greg says the US release is ages yet because of syndication
I'm not impressed at all with it tho!! I 've got a widescreen telly I bought intentionally for DVD playback and watching films how they were intended to be seen by the director!! I know your saying that Angel s1 may not have been intended to be seen in widescreen but the fact of the matter is their is a widescreen master proof and thats what the dvds should have been taken from!!!
£60 is alot of wonga for somethin that has been scrapped together and not what I have been waiting for for a very long time....
As I said I am gutted! :(
Hopefully i'll get it for crimbo and not have to fork out for something that i really want but disagree with buying!!! and i know i will be disapointed when i stick it on and its all stretchy!!!!
uuuurrgh!!! dammit!!!
oh good, this debate again.
OK, just to post my two penny worth.
I have spent the weekend watching Angel (instead of Xmas shopping), and I was suitably impressed.
I had only seen the first few episodes on sky before I stopped my subscription. The episodes were well written and the picture was good. I think it was 60 quid well spent as it will be watched repeatedly, as is the Buffy DVD's.
On the widescreen issue, given a choice between widescreen and not widescreen I will always pick the widescreen. If the choice is between no widescreen and nothing (as is this case) I will take the no widescreen version and be happy.
The only other thing I can say is how can the ******** leave it like that. Now I've got to wait for the next season.
Originally posted by mythuk
oh good, this debate again.
Sorry I didn't mean to start this debate again!!:D
I was just tryin to find out about the R1 release and it stumbled into this debate!!:p
oh and AndrewN the second season's brilliant aswell....although the last couple of eps are a bit iffy which was a bit of a disapointment!! ah well roll on season 3!! Get Sky back!:D
Here's an excerpt from a July 31st online chat with Fox US DVD chief Peter Staddon...
[JeffKleist] What can you tell us about the current status of the long-delayed Buffy sets? Will there be more extras than the UK discs? Will the scratching problem with Season 2 be fixed? Will we get an accelerated release to catch us up with the rest of the world? Finally, what's the scoop on Angel's US release, and will it be 4:3 or 16:9?
[PeterStaddon] Wow, lets start with Buffy. It will be the same as the region 2 release. I am not aware of the season 2 problem but will look into it now. If it is a problem we will fix it. As far as the other series we are suffering from eseries going to syndication before we can release them. But I hope to have some good news for you soon.
BTW, Utero describing the series as being filmed in "open matte" suggests that the 4x3 image is cropped to 16x9 for widescreen. This isn't the case. The 4x3 version of Angel is missing additional information from the sides, as has been confirmed by UK BBC 2 widescreen broadcasts of sister series Buffy.
Desk
It's like being in groundhog day . . . .noooooooooooo
:p
Davester
18-12-2001, 19:47
Originally posted by mythuk
It's like being in groundhog day . . . .noooooooooooo
:p
:D
Some people have lives ouside the forums :confused:
So much for having to wait 2 or 3 years for it....
Trade paper Variety reports that Angel's first season is being released as a DVD box-set in the US in February or March.
Link (http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Video+%26+DVD&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270352&obj_id=36868)
Also on deck is a six-disc set of the first season of "Angel," which includes four featurettes and audio commentaries by co-creators Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt and writer Jane Espenson.
Fingers crossed that it's in widescreen, as it should be, but even if it's not at least it's likely to be around half the price of the UK set.
Glad I waited.
Desk
jonathan.e
11-11-2002, 11:28
Originally posted by Desk
Glad I waited.
Ditto
SeanValen
11-11-2002, 14:16
I waited it out as well, got season 2 widescreen of Angel, which is brilliant. So just waiting to see if US S1 of Angel is widescreen, if it is, then it is perhaps going to be my first r1 purchase! if its not Widescreen, will get the r2 sometime.
I had heard that Angel R1 S1 will be released around Christmas 2003, which ties in with the sydication issue and that the release will be in 4:3.
jonathan.e
12-11-2002, 08:20
Originally posted by jonopow
I had heard that Angel R1 S1 will be released around Christmas 2003, which ties in with the sydication issue and that the release will be in 4:3.
DVDFile:
At long last for fans of Buffy crossovers, Fox will also release Angel: The Complete First Season on February 11th. This set comes even more fully loaded, audio commentaries on select episodes by series creator Joss Whedon and writers David Greenwalt and Jane Espensonwith, plus four making-of featurettes, stills, and more. Retail is also $59.95.
Tantalisingly still no mention of AR.
charlie angel
12-11-2002, 09:45
Originally posted by jonathan.e
DVDFile:
At long last for fans of Buffy crossovers, Fox will also release Angel: The Complete First Season on February 11th. This set comes even more fully loaded, audio commentaries on select episodes by series creator Joss Whedon and writers David Greenwalt and Jane Espensonwith, plus four making-of featurettes, stills, and more. Retail is also $59.95.
Tantalisingly still no mention of AR.
Ooh that sounds nice - think I'll wait for that :)
mikeh1982
12-11-2002, 21:34
from http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/news/news.asp?Section=2
Fox Home Entertainment have finally announced that they will release the first series of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer spin-off series Angel on 11th February 2002.
The first season was originally broadcast between 5th October 1999 and 23rd May 2000 and stars David Boreanaz, Charisma Carpenter, Alexis Denisof, Glenn Quinn, Elisabeth Rohm and Christian Kane.
Angel, the vampire with a soul, has finally admitted he'll never get it together with Buffy so he moves to Los Angeles, a city haunted not only by demons and vampires but lawyers and agents. Angel sets up as a private investigator and solves cases with a supernatural aspect, partnered with Doyle (Glenn Quinn), a half-demon with a proper Irish accent and the useful psychic ability to know when someone is in trouble and Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter from Buffy), trying to reinvent herself as a struggling big-city single girl.
This boxset will contain the episodes City of ..., Lonely Hearts, In the Dark, I Fall to Pieces, Rm w/a Vu, Sense and Sensitivity, The Bachelor Party, I Will Remember You, Hero, Parting Gifts, Somnambulist, Expecting, She, I've Got You Under My Skin, The Prodigal, The Ring, Eternity, Five by Five, Sanctuary, War Zone, Blind Date and To Shansu in L.A..
The video will be presented in full-frame and the discs will carry a Dolby Digital 2.0 soundtrack. Extra features will include audio commentaries from Joss Whedon and the writers on select episodes plus four making of featurettes. The suggested retail price will be $59.99.
how true i dont know, but there relatively reliable i've found, and ties in with what jonopow said
Lenny Nero
12-11-2002, 22:49
So full screen as well, is it open frame so we see more on top and bottom or the pan&scammed?
Still I only have S2 from R4 so I'll get S1 for so cheap in R1.
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
So full screen as well, is it open frame so we see more on top and bottom or the pan&scammed?
Still I only have S2 from R4 so I'll get S1 for so cheap in R1.
As it was framed for 4:3 and we're loosing nothing important picture wise, just like the last time this tiresome issue was raised, I don't give a toss, and no one who isn't a fanatical widescreen Nazi should either.
Lenny Nero
13-11-2002, 05:40
Originally posted by Byron
As it was framed for 4:3 and we're loosing nothing important picture wise, just like the last time this tiresome issue was raised, I don't give a toss, and no one who isn't a fanatical widescreen Nazi should either.
Ok, good to know.
Though new US shows like John Doe, Firefly, Fastlane, Birds of Prey, and Alias are "broadcast in HDTV Widescreen where available", it's a trend with most current shows, and since most of them are Fox series we can expect DVDs of at least some of them in the future :D
jonathan.e
13-11-2002, 06:37
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
Still I only have S2 from R4 so I'll get S1 for so cheap in R1.
Lenny, you really should get S2 from the UK. The widescreen presentation improves it immensely as it would do for season 1. Hopefully this 4:3 news is incorrect as it was shot in widescreen from season 1 onwards and cropped to 4:3 for broadcast.
Originally posted by Byron
As it was framed for 4:3 and we're loosing nothing important picture wise, just like the last time this tiresome issue was raised, I don't give a toss, and no one who isn't a fanatical widescreen Nazi should either.
Originally posted by Matthew Fuller@DVDTimes
Although the series was filmed in 16:9 from the outset, the R2 DVD release of the first season was in 4:3 (unlike subsequent seasons).
http://us.imdb.com/Technical?0162065
Niceguygeoff
13-11-2002, 08:59
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Hopefully this 4:3 news is incorrect as it was shot in widescreen from season 1 onwards and cropped to 4:3 for broadcast.
Correct that may be, the fact is that no 16:9 masters exist for the first season of Angel. And it's looking increasingly unlikely that Fox will create brand new 16:9 masters of Angel (just for the DVD transfer) for a notoriously widescreen-phobic American market. I do hope I'm wrong, though.
jonathan.e
13-11-2002, 09:17
Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
the fact is that no 16:9 masters exist for the first season of Angel.
That was the excuse used by FoxUK for the 4:3 release of S1. Can’t say I believe it myself based on their track record of screw-ups and mis-information on this and other releases.
charlie angel
13-11-2002, 09:46
What's the R2 series 2 quality?
jonathan.e
13-11-2002, 09:55
Superb
charlie angel
13-11-2002, 10:22
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Superb
Tank you very much :)
Yes, it was filmed in widescreen, but was framed for 4:3. All you'll get with a widescreen release is some extra, redundent space at the sides; you'll gain nothing important picture-information wise.
That's why this whole thing is intensely boring; this isn't wanting something in the intended aspect ratio, it's just clamouring for widescreen for the sheer sake of it, which is just as bad as Joe Sixpack demanding fullscreen versions of everything!
jonathan.e
13-11-2002, 20:51
Originally posted by Byron
Yes, it was filmed in widescreen, but was framed for 4:3. All you'll get with a widescreen release is some extra, redundent space at the sides; you'll gain nothing important picture-information wise.
That's why this whole thing is intensely boring; this isn't wanting something in the intended aspect ratio, it's just clamouring for widescreen for the sheer sake of it, which is just as bad as Joe Sixpack demanding fullscreen versions of everything!
This was shot with a "TV-Safe" area ie. with a 4:3 section in which the main information is placed. However this does not stop the director and cinematographer composing the picture to make use of the 1.78:1 frame. One only has to look at season 2 to see how much better the composition is.
Personally what I find intensely boring is people saying it doesn’t matter: :rolleyes: It does.
http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=4&articleId=3859
the people asked for a
widescreen transfer and that's
exactly what we got. This isn't a
horizontally cropped picture either,
we did a comparison of a broadcast
4:3 version and the DVD a few
weeks ago, the 1.78:1 framing of
the DVD is definitely wider and
appears to framed better.
This second season on DVD represents exactly what "Angel" fans want on
DVD, the complete series in the correct visual ratio
Originally posted by Byron
That's why this whole thing is intensely boring; this isn't wanting something in the intended aspect ratio, it's just clamouring for widescreen for the sheer sake of it, which is just as bad as Joe Sixpack demanding fullscreen versions of everything!
actually that's a very good point. If most people argue for films to be shown in their 'intended' aspect ratio, then why not in this case?
Originally posted by jonathan.e
This was shot with a "TV-Safe" area ie. with a 4:3 section in which the main information is placed. However this does not stop the director and cinematographer composing the picture to make use of the 1.78:1 frame. One only has to look at season 2 to see how much better the composition is.
That'd be equivilent to Buffy season 5, which I agree has far superior framing. However, Buffy season 4 (the equivilent season to Angel season 1) is very clearly framed for 4:3; the extra space doesn't detract from the picture, but it doesn't add much to it either (except for the last episode, "Restless"), and I wouldn't be especially agrived if it hadn't been released in w/s.
Each to their own I suppose, but when you've even got people saying Six Feet Under should be widescreen (it was never even shot in widescreen) you know this whole thing does get rather silly!
Lenny Nero
14-11-2002, 06:54
Ok, I understand wanting it to have in OAR but 1.78 vs 4:3 is not a very big difference and you can only rightfully claim that you're missing picture IF you have a DVD player that allows you to zoom out on your discs and move the image right/left because ALL tvs overscan and you're losing, for example, on a 40inch tv, about an inch on the left and right, and even if your TV doesn't overscan much, all the dvd discs are misframed, I have to use my Malata's x/y scaling to move the picture and zoom out all the time for every disc. And it's not a little, your 1.85 movies become 1.78, and 1.78 will be 1.66:1, therefore unless you own a Malata as I'm not aware of another player in the whole wide world with that feature, then you have no right to whine about not having 1.78 because you don't see the whole picture anyway, ok? Yes, all the dvds all of you have ever watched, you've missed some picture on the sides and top and bottom if it was full screen, live with it, it's the truth, alright? I don't have to though, I'm a proud Malata owner :p /rant.
Lenny.
You don't know how wrong you are.
Surely its better to have a disc with the whole image on, rather than a disc without the whole image on.
There is NO overscan watching DVDs on a PC either, so you point is er... pointless.
jonathan.e
18-11-2002, 08:36
Confirmed as 4:3 by DVDFile and the listing as DVDPlanet :mad:
Angel: The Complete First Season streets on February
11th. Featuring 4:3 full screen transfers and English, French and Spanish 2.0
surround tracks, extras include select audio commentary, the "I'm Cordelia,"
"Introducing Angel" and "The Demons" featurettes, and a still gallery. Retail is
$59.95 each.
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Confirmed as 4:3 by DVDFile and the listing as DVDPlanet :mad:
Angel: The Complete First Season streets on February 11th. Featuring 4:3 full screen transfers and English, French and Spanish 2.0 surround tracks, extras include select audio commentary, the "I'm Cordelia," Introducing Angel" and "The Demons" featurettes, and a still gallery. Retail is $59.95 each.
Is there more or less extra features than the R2?
James
It sounds like the features are identical too.
DarkAvenger
19-11-2002, 10:58
So it looks like those people who have waited for the R1 version of Angel Season 1 in the hope that it would have a widescreen transfer have in fact waited in vain. The only good thing about this release now is that it will be cheaper than the R2 version.
jonathan.e
19-11-2002, 11:12
Originally posted by DarkAvenger
So it looks like those people who have waited for the R1 version of Angel Season 1 in the hope that it would have a widescreen transfer have in fact waited in vain. The only good thing about this release now is that it will be cheaper than the R2 version.
I wouldn’t say that less than half the price of the R2 was a fruitless wait.
If full frame is true I’d imagine the US would continue with 4:3 for the other seasons as well although it’d be interesting to hear what excuses they come up with if/when attacked by US fans over the ratio especially if pressure is brought to bear for S2 in W/S.
gburnsid
19-11-2002, 13:27
Originally posted by jonathan.e
If full frame is true I’d imagine the US would continue with 4:3 for the other seasons as well
I wouldn't have thought so - as far as I understand season 1 was framed for 4:3 and shown in 4:3 in the US. Season 2 onwards were framed and shown in 16:9 in the US.
I would think future seasons would be presented in widescreen on DVD as that's how they are intended to be shown.
Buffy however, although shot in 16:9, has never been shown in widescreen in the US, only the BBC has done this, so I don't think any Buffy seasons will be widescreen on US DVD.
Originally posted by gburnsid
Buffy however, although shot in 16:9, has never been shown in widescreen in the US, only the BBC has done this, so I don't think any Buffy seasons will be widescreen on US DVD.
:shocker:
I really hope that's not the case. When did they start filming in W/S? S4 wasn't it?.
That would really be bad news if they did that.
Season 2 has already been released in widescreen here, so odds are it'll be in region 1 as well.
Angel was framed for and broadcast in widescreen from the beginning of season 3 onwards.
DarkAvenger
19-11-2002, 17:39
Originally posted by jonathan.e
I wouldn’t say that less than half the price of the R2 was a fruitless wait.
All I was pointing out was that many people had posted when Angel Season 1 originally came out that they were unhappy about it being 4:3 and so they were going to wait for the R1 version because that would be 1.78:1. But no, it will have a 4:3 transfer as well. As I did point out though it will be cheaper than the R2 version so that is the only advantage this release has over the one released here.
SeanValen
19-11-2002, 17:49
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Confirmed as 4:3 by DVDFile and the listing as DVDPlanet :mad:
Angel: The Complete First Season streets on February
11th. Featuring 4:3 full screen transfers and English, French and Spanish 2.0
surround tracks, extras include select audio commentary, the "I'm Cordelia,"
"Introducing Angel" and "The Demons" featurettes, and a still gallery. Retail is
$59.95 each.
We meet again Johanthan, guess we didn't have to wait long, and the UK woman I phoned up was right, no widescreen masters exist, going to get r2 sometime, in a special offer.
Yeah it being cheaper the r1 is great, I might get r1, but I don't like shipping and credit card buying, so I'll be looking for a buy one get one half price deal in Christmas or new years.
SeanValen
19-11-2002, 17:51
Originally posted by Robby
:shocker:
I really hope that's not the case. When did they start filming in W/S? S4 wasn't it?.
That would really be bad news if they did that.
Joss Wheadon likes the 4:3 for Buffy, to make the world seem smaller, Sunnydale etc. But he's ok with widescreen with Angel, because he wants it grand-big city etc.
Originally posted by SeanValen
Joss Wheadon likes the 4:3 for Buffy, to make the world seem smaller, Sunnydale etc. But he's ok with widescreen with Angel, because he wants it grand-big city etc.
Not that it matters, since both Buffy and Angel are all widescreen releases now.
gburnsid
20-11-2002, 08:00
Originally posted by Byron
Not that it matters, since both Buffy and Angel are all widescreen releases now.
It matters for people buying the R1 Buffys, which won't be in WS. I'm sure when S4 was released in widescreen here, the publicity said that this would be the only version to be in widescreen.
Originally posted by gburnsid
It matters for people buying the R1 Buffys, which won't be in WS. I'm sure when S4 was released in widescreen here, the publicity said that this would be the only version to be in widescreen.
Got a source for this one? I don't remeber any such thing!
Originally posted by gburnsid
It matters for people buying the R1 Buffys, which won't be in WS. I'm sure when S4 was released in widescreen here, the publicity said that this would be the only version to be in widescreen.
Not true I think, R4 is in widescreen. I think you mean Angel S2 which was WS in R2 but R4 wasn't so I suspect R1 might not be either. As for Buffy we will only know when details are released.
gburnsid
20-11-2002, 11:09
I definitely read somewhere that the R1 S4 would not be widescreen.
I can't find any trace of it on the web, it may have been a magazine or Ceefax P579.
I'm quite happy for it to be wrong though. We'll find out soon enough I suppose.
Joss Whedon has definitely said he prefers Buffy to stick to 4:3 for broadcast, although he's happy with Angel in WS.
EdgeOfVictory
20-11-2002, 17:04
I'm rather pleased that it's not in widescreen - it means I don't have to waste £30 buying it again ;)
paulmillsbls
23-11-2002, 00:28
Having just watched an episode of Buffy S5 on BBC2 I have completely changed my view on this subject!
I had thought widescreen would always be better.
However, the whole purpose of widescreen transfers is to see the shots framed artistically as the camera operators and director intended.
This episode of Buffy was quite clearly framed for 4:3 with lots of useless information at the sides. Every time two people are in shot they are squahed together in the middle of the frame whilst we can see the rest of the room around them, there were also some nice shots of Xander's elbow etc. when people were straying into the safe areas.
This made me realise that I would rather watch a nicely framed 4:3 version than a badly framed 16:9.
Just thought that angel season 1 has cross overs with buffy season 4, so wouldn't it be an idea for both of them to be released at approx same time, or am I being to clever.
Is it up for pre order yet!:thumbs:
Originally posted by paulmillsbls
Having just watched an episode of Buffy S5 on BBC2 I have completely changed my view on this subject!
I had thought widescreen would always be better.
However, the whole purpose of widescreen transfers is to see the shots framed artistically as the camera operators and director intended.
This episode of Buffy was quite clearly framed for 4:3 with lots of useless information at the sides. Every time two people are in shot they are squahed together in the middle of the frame whilst we can see the rest of the room around them, there were also some nice shots of Xander's elbow etc. when people were straying into the safe areas.
This made me realise that I would rather watch a nicely framed 4:3 version than a badly framed 16:9.
The 4:3 isn't nicely framed though. Pull out an episode from S1 or take my recent viewing of Red Dwarf series 1 and you'll see what framing for 4:3 is.
When you get two people they are squashed together on 4:3, but in 16:9 you can see their other shoulders, etc. The sense of space is really good. I much prefer the S4 framing in 16:9, despite the odd dodgy screw-up by directors sticking to 4:3.
Originally posted by TheoGB
The 4:3 isn't nicely framed though. Pull out an episode from S1 or take my recent viewing of Red Dwarf series 1 and you'll see what framing for 4:3 is.
When you get two people they are squashed together on 4:3, but in 16:9 you can see their other shoulders, etc. The sense of space is really good. I much prefer the S4 framing in 16:9, despite the odd dodgy screw-up by directors sticking to 4:3.
Yep, I agree, I completely like the characters having space, rather than being squashed in, its more atmospheric.
James
Here's a pack shot of the US, Region 1 release...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JLEW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Very nice. :)
Desk
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