[PC] Season 7 Discussion (SEE POST 199) [Archive]

Bolch

21-08-2005, 19:05

SIGN UPS

This thread is now open for "opt in" and "opt out". That means if you're not already in the leagues but want in for Season 6 let me know in this thread. If you're already in the leagues and want out for season 6 let me know.

If you're already in season 5 and completed all your league games you will automatically be put forward for Season 6, no need to confuse me with a post on here

I've included a rough time table below. If you're going to be working shifts/on holiday/taking on large projects at work on any of the dates below please let me know in this thread.

Timetable
Friday Night 9pm = Team Draw live on MSN
Friday September 2nd = Season 6 Kick Off
Friday September 9th = 4 matches played MINIMUM (Recommended 6)
Monday September 12th = World Cup Group + Team Draw
Friday September 16th = 8 matches played MINIMUM (Recommended 12)
Friday September 16th = Word Cup Kick Off
Friday September 23rd = 14 matches played MINIMUM (Recommended ALL!)
Monday September 26th = World Cup Group Stages Over - 2nd Stage Starts
Friday September 30th = All league matches to be finished.
Friday September 30th = WC 2nd Stage Over, Quarter Finals Start
Sunday 2nd October = WC Quarter Finals Over, Semi's Start
Wednesday 5th October = WC Semi's Over, Final Starts
Friday 7th October = Final over - Season 7 starts.

Just to forwarn you all. For this season I've tried to use as many teams as possible that we havent used in the previous leagues. In terms of making the team strengths even across the league I've had to use a couple of teams from the past but there's only a couple of them. But just to warn everyone, you will all be playing with a much poorer weaker side than you've played with in the past - But everyone's in the same boat so I don't want to hear <S>bigjonny</S> any moaning.

Thanks

This is not the sign up thread!

How did Season 5 go for everyone (bar Ono). While we wait ( :oh-hum: ) for Season 5 to come to a close thought I'd start this thread to get everyone's juices flowing for Season 6.

1st up how did everyone feel about the teams (again bar Ono). I tried to make the teams as even across the leagues as possible, do you feel it worked? How should we proceed for Season 6? Keep the same teams for the league just do another random allocation? How digging up the dregs that haven't shown their faces in ANY of our league games (Like Leeds for example?)

Is the 4 week timetable ok with people?

Should I enforce a "if lag gets mentioned or hinted at points are deducted after 2 warnings" rule?

Any other comments/suggestions?

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 19:08

Suggestion #1: cut off one of Tequila's hands...or maybe both to be sure.

Matt.Wild

21-08-2005, 19:11

Get rid of Monaco :lol:

steviep922

21-08-2005, 19:28

With the lag issue, you should bring in a rule stating that you must notify the host about lag within 15 minutes of the match starting, otherwise keep quiet!

Team selections seeemed quite balanced, although i can only comment on Div 2.

4 weeks for the season length is fine by me.

Bolch

21-08-2005, 19:55

How digging up the dregs that haven't shown their faces in ANY of our league games (Like Leeds for example?)

Decided I don't care about suggestions - this is what we're going to do.

I'm going through some teams now seeing what we've used/haven't used and dividing them into suitable leagues.

There's some real ***** in there :lol:

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 19:58

I trust you to know what's best, as these have been cracking seasons thus far.

Cheers bud :thumbs:

Bolch

21-08-2005, 20:02

I trust you to know what's best, as these have been cracking seasons thus far.

:lol:

You won't be saying that when you see these teams. BigJonny will be crying for Ado Den Haag in his sleep!

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 20:03

Don't they do ice-cream?

Ono

21-08-2005, 20:10

I had no problems with the timetable - but, like Lou, I never do.

I'm thinking long and hard about entering season 6 at the moment. I'm suffering from severe Andybhoy-litis at the moment.

Should I just wait for PES5 before joining again? Who knows.

I'll see how it goes.

Bolch

21-08-2005, 20:13

According to Gameplay PES5 is out end of November. I'd imagine that from then for about a month there'll be no league play as everyone will be practising, getting in friendlies, waiting for updates/patches etc. So at the moment I'm soaking up all the competitive play before the December drought.

Ono

21-08-2005, 20:13

With the lag issue, you should bring in a rule stating that you must notify the host about lag within 15 minutes of the match starting, otherwise keep quiet!
You see, it is this whole lag thing that ****** me off sometimes. When I started this whole thing up I put a similar lag ruling in just in case and no one really complained. We had a good bunch of lads playing for fun. With the expansion of the leagues we have had so much bitchin' and slagging it just makes you wonder if these people know that it is ONLY A ******* GAME!

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 20:17

You see, it is this whole lag thing that ****** me off sometimes. When I started this whole thing up I put a similar lag ruling in just in case and no one really complained. We had a good bunch of lads playing for fun. With the expansion of the leagues we have had so much bitchin' and slagging it just makes you wonder if these people know that it is ONLY A ******* GAME!

Ditto.

It's turned me into a whining pussy too, which can only be a bad thing.

SOUNDSTYLE

21-08-2005, 20:26

What about "random leagues" for Season 6 with "seeded teams"......?

I know that people have worked hard to get promotion this season but I just find that playing the same old people in my league has become a bit boring. No offence. You probably think the same playing me..... :lol:

In the matches that I have played via the super league I have really enjoyed playing against different people and different styles.

I have also been surprised at the high standard of the people that I have played against with a few shock scorelines along the way.

Just an idea..... :?: :)

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 20:54

And a pretty good one - I say just abandon the Superleague and run SS's idea alongside the major league, as I'm already doing rubbish in the SL and we will never ever finish it anyway :lol:

john316

21-08-2005, 21:04

Tough one:

1. Stick with the existing format but have totally free choice for each division. Only one selection for each team but you could Tequila choosing Arsenal or Barca.

2. SS's total reorganisation with 4 leagues but with a totally random selection so you could have a list of all players and they come out a hat and then what league they will enter is then selected randomly as well. Could generate some interesting, new games.

3. Stick totally as it is with all promotions/relegations standing and the same ideas for Team Selection as previous with the teams getting ******* with each Division.

steviep922

21-08-2005, 21:11

Bolch

21-08-2005, 21:19

And a pretty good one - I say just abandon the Superleague and run SS's idea alongside the major league, as I'm already doing rubbish in the SL and we will never ever finish it anyway :lol:

:nono:

The SL is coming along nicely. We may get a couple of dropouts and even some throw outs but for everyone else it's giving us the opportunity to play everyone else on a competitive level using a team of our choice before PES4 takes a well earned rest and PES 5 comes out.

With regard to the random leagues I'd rather not. Whats the point in having promotion/relegation if you're going to jumble the league every season :shrug: Then add the fact that some people will feel 'shafted' because they've been moved down a league while being over taken by someone that was below them.

We've done this style league with promotion/relegation for 5 seasons now and the end of PES4 is in sight. I think we should wrap up the next 2 seasons as is utilising the remainder of the teams from PES4. Then for PES5 rekindle the idea of league shuffling every season.

I also think teams should be random for every competition. However come the end of PES5's life cycle have a similar Super League (assuming we're all still going then) giving everyone the chance to pick their own teams

john316

21-08-2005, 21:25

I think its fair enough - I know I'm not bored TBH of playing the regular Premier League crowd and its nice to have rivalries in your own league with people you're familiar with. If I do anything before we wrap up Pro Evo 4, its for me to beat damn Richdmx in the 6 games (providing we avoid each other in FA Cup action and the SL keeps going) before its all over! :D

A reorganisation of the league may stop that from being able to occur so I'd prefer to stick with the existing league structures :thumbs:

richdmx

21-08-2005, 21:34

Bolch

21-08-2005, 21:59

I think stick to it as we are, i like random teams, but would like a vote on what kind of teams we are getting next year in what divisons.

How do you mean?

TBH I've spent 2 hours this evening sorting out which teams we've not used and trying to put them in some sort of order based on stats and I now have 44 teams all ready in 4 different groups ready for distribution so unless it's a damn fine idea it can wait until next season :p

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 21:59

richdmx

21-08-2005, 22:06

TBH I've spent 2 hours this evening sorting out which teams we've not used and trying to put them in some sort of order based on stats and I now have 44 teams all ready in 4 different groups ready for distribution so unless it's a damn fine idea it can wait until next season :p

Ok then thats fine matey :) My ideas can wait another season :)

bigjonnyauk

21-08-2005, 22:50

mate i dont mind am happy just to be playing

and i promise ill try and cut the whinging lol

Cockeye

21-08-2005, 23:16

Well, from a newb here is my two pennies worth and feel free to get annoyed with me or whatever. I am going to say what I really think here, and if you think i am an arrogant **** then well, I suppose I am! ;)

1. You have a generally good bunch of lads here. A lot of friendly banter, and a good system. Thanks to everyone, and particularly to Boch who organises it. I've done it on another game, and I know what a thankless task it is.

2. Keep the structure the way it is. Promotion and relegation are things to strive for / avoid. It makes it exciting. And rivalries with others, built up over time, are what it is about surely?

3. Find a good database programmer, and design a site where people can enter their results online, and the database will update automatically. A lot less work for the admins, and we can immediately see how our results affect the league in real time.

4. When I first started, I felt sympathetic on the lag. However, as time went on it began to **** me off. The reason for this is that people would say how bad it was at half time, but they would play on anyway (even though it was unplayable). I would feel guilty, and then end up losing when I had been up at half time. Or once, somene even pulled out half way through the second half. I have lost several games exclusively to lag in this league (most I lost because of lack of ability, but a couple were lag). So what? It's a game! It is fun, and that is why we have home and away legs. No-one was hurt! So why mention it? grit your teeth and accept.

5. Never let arguments, disagreements, the fact that someone wont send you a picture of his grilfriends tit, spoil the game. You've got a good thing going here - cherish it.

I'm probably going to read this in the morning and cringe - I'm a bit ****** right now..........

LouBarlow

21-08-2005, 23:38

*******, nobody minds sorting out problems when people have lag, but it is the constant blaming of it for results, which gets a bit tiring, not that you ever have, to your credit.

As has been mentioned, some of us were spoiled by the early seasons, where there were no complaints at all, with everone existing in perfect harmony, where jumpers were used for goalposts, and heading a football could leave you in a coma. To see the money-men take a hold of ur beloved sport, leaves a sour taste.....or something......

;)

Art Vanderlay

22-08-2005, 05:56

3. Find a good database programmer, and design a site where people can enter their results online, and the database will update automatically. A lot less work for the admins, and we can immediately see how our results affect the league in real time.

I'm hoping that this is going to be built in to PES5. If not, I think it is something we should look into. I'm sure there must be an off the shelf freebie that we can download to do this sort of thing. Otherwise, I would be willing to have a stab at programming it if we thought it was worthwhile (not that I am considering myself a 'a good database programmer' though :help: )

The general comments others have made about the 'spirit' of the league I pretty much agree with. Law of averages states that the more players you get, the more likely there are to be people who upset the apple cart, be it by not showing up for games, or complaining all the time, or just not treating it as fun. But the majority of people do play in the right spirit.

Anyway, I say keep the league as it is for the next couple of seasons until PES5 comes out. Then, we should have a random redistribution of the leagues, if the game plays as differently as Lou suggests. I do sympathise with Soundstyle wishing to play other players, but I think that only afflicts Prem and Div3 players, as there are so many players changed each season in Divs 1 & 2 that it isn't an issue. You could always volunteer for relegation ;)

Bolch

22-08-2005, 08:02

It's good to have you onboard *******, we've had a couple of newbies join who didn't play their games and ended up getting removed. Not only have you played the games your a pretty decent bloke (thanks for the pic :thumbs: )

Totally agree with everything you've said. I pondered doing a site for the Super League but Daz had already setup a spreadsheet then I realised with PES5 round corner (that apparently has online leagues built in) it would take longer to write than it would to do the updates for another couple of seasons :lol: If PES5's online league structure is crap then a site is definitly the way to go :thumbs:

LouBarlow

22-08-2005, 08:06

If 5 has online stats tracking, I may just do a little wee in my pants.

Bolch

22-08-2005, 08:08

If 5 has online stats tracking, I may just do a little wee in my pants.

Don't hide it, it was the thought of me "wearing high heels, dressed in a leather jockstrap, and wielding a cat-o-nine tails" made you do the little wee not PES5 online trackable stats :dork:

LouBarlow

22-08-2005, 08:09

I said little wee not sex wee :lol:

Gotta go have a cold shower then go to work now...too much excitement.

Cockeye

22-08-2005, 10:21

PES 5..........online leagues..........=sex wee.

And my head hurts.

Note to self..... no more alcohol. Surprised my post was halfway coherent!

gunner

22-08-2005, 22:03

Carry on as last season, but promote me to the prem, and everyone keeps the same teams? :n0rty: :suspect:

Phayze

22-08-2005, 22:25

3. Find a good database programmer, and design a site where people can enter their results online, and the database will update automatically. A lot less work for the admins, and we can immediately see how our results affect the league in real time.
Wasn't someone doing that a couple of months ago? I dontated a design + XHTML/CSS template to someone, somewhere (Xbox league I think)...

Bolch

23-08-2005, 07:16

Wasn't someone doing that a couple of months ago? I dontated a design + XHTML/CSS template to someone, somewhere (Xbox league I think)...

Yeah damell was working on it for the Xbox league but then lost spare time as he was losing to me on the PC version :D Then Steveip started running the xbox leagues and it must've dropped off the radar from there.

john316

23-08-2005, 07:44

Having had a tiny tip off from Bolchy about the 'quality' of teams involved, you can guarantee some stinky games this season! :D

I'm in of course though for Season 6 and World Cup duties :thumbs:

richdmx

23-08-2005, 08:51

Bolch - Im away from the 25th Of September to the 10th of October, ill be ok for the season but i dont know about the World Cup. What do you think??

Bolch

23-08-2005, 08:55

I think you're right Rich. I'll leave you out of the WC as chances are you'll make it past the first round.

Cheers

richdmx

23-08-2005, 09:09

I think you're right Rich. I'll leave you out of the WC as chances are you'll make it past the first round.

Cheers

:lol: Saying that i havent once got past the first round :D

Cockeye

23-08-2005, 10:16

Can't wait! :)

Spending my close season getting my machine in tip top condition, and training hard by drinking all the beer I couldn't drink during the season..........

Am I taking this too seriously? :)

belly

23-08-2005, 10:35

quite like the idea of 'crappy' teams we haven't used before. nice to find surprisng good players etc.

i am moving house at the end of the month and don't know how long it will take for my new (2mb hurray) bb to be running. don't think this will interfere but will keep you informed oh mighty Hoff.

steviep922

23-08-2005, 10:42

I'm going on holiday on the 3rd september, returning on the 15th. I reckon I'll have no problems getting all my league games in on my return, but at the end of the day its your call, Bolch.

bobwindy

23-08-2005, 10:49

Same thing - im away for the first week of the season but can start my (1st division) campaign from 11th September, ive got no problems getting all my games in as required (reliant on other people though)

Bolch

23-08-2005, 10:58

Steve/Bobwindy : No worries, thanks for letting me know

Frank Butcher

23-08-2005, 11:11

Il have to drop out of everything for next season im afraid. Cant predict what work i may have so il take the safe option and withdraw from it all :(

Will definatly be joining back up again though when PES5 comes about though. Il back at uni and a couple of months as well so will have all the time in the world!

Bolch

23-08-2005, 13:07

OK Frank, sad to see you duck out but look forward to seeing you back.

Cheers

unrealnils

23-08-2005, 13:52

Im not gonna enter this want to concentrate on superleague catch up ......

funnily enough imy house is connected to the net but the routers not come through yet :brickwall

john316

23-08-2005, 13:59

Hurry up Nils and get it sorted! :D

belly

23-08-2005, 14:34

gotta change isp now, any recomendations to get me ready for season 6. was thinking of Plusnets 2mb or Freedom2Surf (the exchange is only 2mb at the moment)

Cockeye

23-08-2005, 18:20

Only 2mb! You poor man1 :(

Bolch

23-08-2005, 19:17

Just to make everyone wet with anticipation for Friday (and to give you a chance to try out some of the crap), here's a list of teams that will be used across the leagues.

Premiership
Leeds Utd 3,1,5
Partizan Belgrade 3,2,4
De Graafshrap 2,4,5
FC Den Bosch 2,5,5
Levante U.D 2,3,10
Getafe C.F 2,2,10
RKC Waalwijk 2,4,7
Livorno 2,3,3
Mainz 1,3,11
Caen 1,1,6
Istres 1,2,6

Division 1
AEK Athens 3,2,2
Anderlecht 3,4,1
Cruzeiro 3,5,1
River Plate 3,2,1
R Racing C 2,2,11
Norwich City 1,1,4
Saint Etienne 1,2,8
Sochaux 1,3,8
Hansa Rostock 1,5,10
1.FC Kaiserlautern 1,2,11
FC Twente 2,2,6

Division 2
Besiktas 3,3,4
Bologna 2,4,1
Atlanta 2,3,1
SC Freiburg 1,2,10
Club Brugge 3,3,1
Siena 2,4,4
Reggina 2,2,4
B. Monchengladbach 1,1,10
Lecce 2,2,3
Hamburger SV 1,3,10
Cagliari 2,1,2

Division 3
Southampton 1,3,4
Malaga C.F 2,4,9
Portsmouth 1,2,4
Boca Juniors 3,1,1
Hertha Berlin 1,1,10
Rangers 3,1,4
Fiorentina 2,3,2
Chievo 2,2,2
West Brom 1,5,4
Lokotiv Moskow 3,3,3

The numbers after each team denote where you'll find them, ie West Brom = 1,5,4 = 1st page of league teams, 5th column, 4th down.

Enjoy :D

unrealnils

23-08-2005, 19:42

Only 2mb! You poor man1 :(
LOL i played the first 3 leagues on a 300k connection...........

And i dont let people forget it either :p oh well my excuses will be nullified soon enough :doh:

LouBarlow

23-08-2005, 19:58

:lol: @ Hamburger

john316

23-08-2005, 21:21

Cockeye

23-08-2005, 21:32

Leeds United in the Premiership!

I've just split my sides! :)

richdmx

23-08-2005, 21:33

I want De Graft Shaft....:D

A Guy Called Mel

23-08-2005, 21:36

Hi. I think I'd like to have a go and play. Played a fair few games over our LAN at work and I have an uninstalled copy on my PC at home. Am I welcome?

john316

23-08-2005, 21:37

Is it free selection or random draw from the pool of teams?

Ono

23-08-2005, 21:40

I might as well join.

Want to try and beat my yellow card record.

john316

23-08-2005, 21:42

Face it, you can don't do any worse this season :D

Bolch

23-08-2005, 21:44

Hi. I think I'd like to have a go and play. Played a fair few games over our LAN at work and I have an uninstalled copy on my PC at home. Am I welcome?

Certainly, we just need to make sure you can play through whatever router you might be using. Get it installed, get an MSN account and give me a buzz and I'll go through the patches you need to install and check your ok to play etc.

John: Random teams. Picking takes too god damn long :mad:

john316

23-08-2005, 21:49

John: Random teams. Picking takes too god damn long :mad:

Not wrong there! ;)

Think I'll skip the practice then and just wait to see what the Random Draw brings me - pain and tears are a certainty but its a question of how much :D

Matt.Wild

23-08-2005, 22:13

Can we ban anyone whose barely turned up for the last couple seasons? I don't think I'm the only one getting cheesed off that everything is spread out so long by people who aren't making time for their commitments.

Surely if you don't have time you should be grown up about it and post and pull out rather than stretch the season on and on. Certainly helps people work out the results they need if they leave it till the end which is a tad unrealistic and a little unfair on all of us inc Bolch et al as they constantly chase people up.

Its meant to be fun as we say, not a chore :)

gunner

23-08-2005, 22:16

I'm in. Im on holiday for 2 weeks from the 18/09 fyi. Ill try to get all games doen by then.

A Guy Called Mel

23-08-2005, 22:22

Certainly, we just need to make sure you can play through whatever router you might be using. Get it installed, get an MSN account and give me a buzz and I'll go through the patches you need to install and check your ok to play etc.

John: Random teams. Picking takes too god damn long :mad:

I shall get onto it tomorrow evening.

:clap:

Bolch

24-08-2005, 07:30

Surely if you don't have time you should be grown up about it and post and pull out rather than stretch the season on and on. Certainly helps people work out the results they need if they leave it till the end which is a tad unrealistic and a little unfair on all of us inc Bolch et al as they constantly chase people up.

Its meant to be fun as we say, not a chore :)

I agree. Not 1 division completed all their games on time this season. A number of individuals did but if we remove everyone who didn't we'd barely have enough for 1 division!

Biggest problem at the moment is it's not only holding people up in your league, but also the players in play off spots in other leagues.

bigjonnyauk

24-08-2005, 07:42

maybe an idea is that we could have a fixture list

like now you say must play x amount of games by a certain date you could instead say so and plays by a certain day do a whole fixture list then if they dont play the one who has made the least effort automatically forfeits that game 3-0

therefore no hold ups and season will be even and finish on time

LouBarlow

24-08-2005, 07:55

If the flexible way of organising fixtures, can't be adhered to, then we will have no chance getting rigid fixtures played.

I think you're just going to have to get the whip out again Bolchy

john316

24-08-2005, 08:55

I think a lot more honesty is needed from people over playing times etc - if people can't play weeknights till after 10/10.30 pm then its a problem as it forces them to play catch up at weekends I find. Then if they don't catch people then, fixtures are dragged out till the following weekend and things start to quickly unravel.

I know people can play catch up but I'd rather see quicker turnarounds on league (say 3 weeks) and have more seasons packed in than seeing these dragged out for 4-5 weeks with 1/2 fixtures a day getting played :(

Bolch

24-08-2005, 09:26

I tend to find it varies quite a lot, even at the start of the season you can go 1/2 days without a match being played then you come on one day and find 4/6 matches played in each divsion!

In my eyes the problem lies with...
1) People who don't read the threads for days on end
2) People who don't post to say when they're available.

In the case of 2 I know a few people on here who only use MSN for organising matches, that's fine not got a problem with that. But more often than not they don't post to say they're available on xday at ytime and instead turn up on MSN hoping someone's going to be online for a game. Or they'll post "I'm online now for an hour" in the vain hope that someone will see their post.

/goes away to have a good think about what to do.

EDIT - OK might be a pain to run but how about some sort of calender in the first post. At the start of the week I email everyone to find out when they'll be able to play that week. Based on that people would be able to see who's available...Then on that day/time - Scrap that a demo would be better....

First post would show...
Bolch - Is available Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights from 9 until 11.

Come Wednesday night John316 posts, "I'm here on MSN for a game with Bolch. Bolch give me a shout when you're ready."

At 11:05 John logs off MSN and posts - Bolch didn't show on MSN for our game :|

Bolch gets a bad mark next to his name

3 bad marks later Bolch gets thrown of the league.

Comments?

daz_75

24-08-2005, 09:54

i know it's a bit late but personally i would prefer to play with good team rather than **** ones. Im enjoying the SL much more than the league as at least the players have some skill. It annoys me when all they do is trip over and shoot well wide.

As for playing your games on time, surely you can't dictate that, if someone can't get on until late but the other person they need to play only comes on early then there aint much you can do, who gets the 3 nil?
Took me a while to play brendonw in the league, was no ones fault, he was on earlier than i was so we just didn't meet up. It's also hard to organise an exact time as some people have fiance's who kick off about things :suspect: :D

john316

24-08-2005, 10:43

Bolch gets a bad mark next to his name

3 bad marks later Bolch gets thrown of the league.

Comments?

I like it - obviously if someone posts that they are now unable to make that agreed time but reschedule for the next day, then we avoid punishments but it makes the scheduling of games hopefully more reliable. My fear though is that the people who are unreliable won't even be around to agree on a scheduled game :(

Bolch

24-08-2005, 10:55

Yeah as long as someone would post before hand that they can't make it then they'd avoid getting a black mark. It'll be an absolute ball ache for me and we shouldn't have to go down this route but we've been left with little choice.

They don't have to be around to schedule a game, just reply to my email to say when they'll be available. We can dish out black marks easily enough from there :D If they don't reply then they know where the door is.

Daz: I know what you're saying but playing with the guff teams makes you a better all round player as you have to focus more on how the game is played and play to your teams strength rather than being able to barge your way past everyone easily and score without thinking about it. As much as you hated Espanyol I reckon you've come on leaps and bounds before when playing with them you had to learn to play so to speak.

Matt.Wild

24-08-2005, 11:14

How about docking points if you don’t turn up and play the allotted games within the given time scales. For example, fail to hit 25% of your games ¼ way through the season you get docked 6 points, another 6 at half way and so on. Certainly some leniency could be given in some cases where reasonable efforts have been made to play. That way, you lose out by messing people around and not appearing but still can finish the season off. That helps people who are playing because they know that if they get their games played that the person who hasn’t played his can’t use this advantage and know exactly what they need right at the end of the season…

Also, I agree – 3 black marks and you are booted. Perhaps not out entirely but back to the bottom of Div3 for the next season. That way, they get penalized for no-shows but can make it up in future seasons. If then in the following season they fail to turn up enough they get banned entirely from the leagues.

It is possible to turn around from a no-shower to a decent regular – Moko being a fine example :thumbs:

daz_75

24-08-2005, 11:31

Daz: I know what you're saying but playing with the guff teams makes you a better all round player as you have to focus more on how the game is played and play to your teams strength rather than being able to barge your way past everyone easily and score without thinking about it. As much as you hated Espanyol I reckon you've come on leaps and bounds before when playing with them you had to learn to play so to speak.

Maybe, but i didn't enjoy playing with them which is surely the main point of the game

john316

24-08-2005, 11:42

Maybe, but i didn't enjoy playing with them which is surely the main point of the game

I just enjoy playing the game end of story - don't even care if I get Leeds this season, I'll still get a real kick out of playing against my PL dudes. Same with the SL, I get far more enjoyment out of going a lesser side in Olympiakos than boring myself to death going Arsenal or Barca - not slagging off anybody at all but I find it rewarding to perform well with rubbish sides than to just perform with world class outfits.

Matt.Wild

24-08-2005, 11:59

I prefer mid level teams like Liverpool. Strong enough not to fall over at a sneeze but not invincible with defenders like walls and strikers like tanks. Mind you I’ve enjoyed every season (bar my first with BMG who were absolute ***** and were a pain to play with). I’m basically happy to play, now my lag has been sorted by our friend John316 :thumbs:

Bolch

24-08-2005, 12:03

I didn't enjoy playing with Sevilla. Had real problems especially at the start of the season but managed to turn it around and use Sevilla in a way that suited them. The result is I'm quite proud of myself for managing to get a grip with them and be in with a good chance for promotion. I dare say if I'd of had PSV or Porto I'd be promoted by now but wouldn't have the same sense of accomplishment. Don't you feel you've achieved more with Sampdoria this season than with Liverpool last season?

EDIT (as Matt's post got in there first) - I'd consider Liverpool one of the better sides in this game. Certainly in the upper quartile :dork:

EDIT 2 - It's not like the season you had Espanyol and were fighting against Real Madrid etc as everyone's teams will be equally crap.

EDIT 3 - You've lost me £5 to Floyd. I bet a fiver that Bigjonny would moan first :(

LouBarlow

24-08-2005, 12:12

:lol: all the teams are of the same level so stop moaning you big girl :lol:

They will all be falling over together - make it more fun...

Hawaiian Floyd

24-08-2005, 12:27

EDIT - OK might be a pain to run but how about some sort of calender in the first post. At the start of the week I email everyone to find out when they'll be able to play that week. Based on that people would be able to see who's available...Then on that day/time - Scrap that a demo would be better....

First post would show...
Bolch - Is available Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights from 9 until 11.

Come Wednesday night John316 posts, "I'm here on MSN for a game with Bolch. Bolch give me a shout when you're ready."

At 11:05 John logs off MSN and posts - Bolch didn't show on MSN for our game :|

Bolch gets a bad mark next to his name

3 bad marks later Bolch gets thrown of the league.

Comments?

I think this is a good idea Bolch. Maybe an idea to have either a seperate thread for each division or just one thread dedicated to organizing matches (Nothing else posted in this thread(s) - Only used for arranging matches.)

Maybe only start this from week 2 of the season as the first week generally sees a lot of matches played. I think it's a fair way of arranging matches the way you described it in your example.

steviep922

24-08-2005, 12:35

I don't mind playing with a lesser, hence Charlton in super league. :D

Playing with a weak team sorts out the better players. You have to be more tactically alert, play around with formations,while working out the best positions for players you've never heard of.

I think i've also become a better player becuase of playing a lot with a mediocre side.

As far as the weekly calender / schedule idea goes - why don't you have 1 person from each division responsible for keeping track of who's arranged to play who, failed to show etc. That removes some of the burden from Bolch.

john316

24-08-2005, 12:36

EDIT 3 - You've lost me £5 to Floyd. I bet a fiver that Bigjonny would moan first :(

:lol:

Bolch

24-08-2005, 12:59

2 Excellent ideas from Stevie and Floyd.

I think for Season 6 we'll have 1 thread for results/match reports with the tables in. Then they'll be 4 threads started by me and 3 volunteers for the organising of matches in each division. The 3 volunteers will chase up slackers in each division.

daz_75

24-08-2005, 13:04

Im not moaning i just said that id prefer to play with better teams :shrug: Ok i may have said i didn't enjoy playing with espanyol but hey no to worry.

john316

24-08-2005, 16:28

Just been having a 'preview' of the available PL teams with Bolchy - not all dreadful but some absolutely dismal teams for our playing 'pleasure' :D

damell

24-08-2005, 18:03

Yeah damell was working on it for the Xbox league but then lost spare time as he was losing to me on the PC version :D Then Steveip started running the xbox leagues and it must've dropped off the radar from there.

I'm actually still working on it on and off in my spare time. I'm working towards a complete tournament system allowing for multiple leagues, cups and ladders going at the same time.

I'm not going to promise a deadline this time though as that well and truly backfired, although I will do my best to get it ready for PES5 launch.

pjg

24-08-2005, 18:18

I don't like the idea of having to post what days you are going to be available in the thread especially as people aren't going to have their whole week planned out in advance. It will be quite a lot of hassle too and I would say if it really is necessary then maybe it only needs to be done for the final week of the league as normally as it is not so much of a problem in the first couple of weeks.

Another option would be to appoint an administrator for each division who could send around a spreadsheet to each person in the league. They could fill in their availability and e-mail it back to the administrator who could then collate them and send the spreadsheet back out to everyone in the division.

LouBarlow

24-08-2005, 18:25

Yeah Im not too keen on that either tbh pjg - I can't plan my week around PES as much as I'd like to :nuts: though I end up being on most nights anyway tbh :lol:

SOUNDSTYLE

24-08-2005, 20:05

Just to let you know I will be off on holiday to Canada from the 4th September 2005 to the 16th September 2005.

I will have to catch up when I get back if that's alright.

:thumbs:

belly

24-08-2005, 20:33

played Bolch with 3 of the div3 teams earlier (west brom, boca juniors & pompey) and thoroughly enjoyed all of them. (poss because Bolch was using some spectacularly bad prem teams!)

looking forward to the new league.

Bolch

25-08-2005, 16:45

Due to all the requests (ie Rich) I'm going to do the Season 6 draw tonight.

As it stands at the moment the leagues will look like...

PREM
Tequila
Soundstyle
Br00n
John316
Richdmx
LouBarlow
Art Vanderlay
Kipp

Div 1
Gangster No 1
Bobwindy
Teasy
Bolch
Dazkelly
Matt.Wild
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75
Phayze
Tob
Fsheehan

Div 2
Ono
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75
PJG
Steviep
Andybhoy / Babyjonny
Gunner
Jabra
Chet-Lee

Div 3
Loates123
BrendonW
Andybhoy / Babyjonny
Belly
H. Floyd
Finlab
Moko
TriGGeR2008
*******
A Guy Called Mel

These are a bit unbalanced as 2 leagues have 10 members and 2 leagues have 8 members. As per previous seasons I'm using the "play off" spot to adjust the league numbers. When I do this no-one gets relegated only promotion based on where they finished last season. So The Premiership and Division 2 have 8 players so promoting a Div1 player to the Prem and a Div3 player to Div 2 = 9 players in each league.

Babyjonny has gained auto promotion from Division 3 by finishing 4th and no longer has to play a playoff with Andybhoy (although you're more than welcome to just to see what would've happened ;) )

And some slack geezer called Belch or something like that finished 4th in Div 1 so will move up to the Premiership despite a crap performance in his play off.

The Bigjonny/Daz_75 playoff still needs to be played.

Team selection drawn tonight right after Belly's FA Cup draw at 8

john316

25-08-2005, 16:50

And some slack geezer called Belch or something like that finished 4th in Div 1 so will move up to the Premiership despite a crap performance in his play off.

You're almost as corrupt as the FA :D

Bolch

25-08-2005, 16:53

You're almost as corrupt as the FA :D

Still can't work out quite why I was playing a play off match against someone who wasn't taking part in Season 6 :doh:

bigjonnyauk

25-08-2005, 17:11

damn after the all the changes i am the only one who can be relegated lol conspiricy i tell ya

you give me joy with one hand by telling me isurvived then snatch it away by saying out of all the divisions i am only one who can be relegated from the playoffs lol

man i have to stay up now babyjonny is promoted

do u know what this would do to my household

also told babyjonny about his promotion and his exact response was (he has no morals lol)

SEE YA LATER DIVISION 3 LOOOOOOZERS

LOL

A Guy Called Mel

25-08-2005, 17:17

Haven't had a chance to get on and chat on MSN about this. What patches do I need? I have the latest version patch and also have no problems hosting or joining a game on my router.

Still up for it though.

moko7t8

25-08-2005, 18:05

SEE YA LATER DIVISION 3 LOOOOOOZERS

LOL

LOL, see you next season :wave:

pjg

25-08-2005, 22:03

What happened to the draw?

Matt.Wild

25-08-2005, 22:09

What draw? Whose smoking draw?

Cockeye

25-08-2005, 22:09

lol at babyJonny! Running away from me so I can't get my revenge?

pathetic! :)

Bolch

25-08-2005, 22:21

What happened to the draw?

It took place right after Belly's FA Cup as promised. But not updated the thread as my mate turned up and we've been downstairs for the last 2 and half hours playing Track and Field on the Mame Cab :nuts:

Teams for Season 6 are....

Tequila Leeds Utd 3,1,5
Soundstyle Levante U.D 2,3,10
Br00n FC Den Bosch 2,5,5
John316 Mainz 1,3,11
Richdmx Partizan Belgrade 3,2,4
LouBarlow Caen 1,1,6
Art Vanderlay De Graafshrap 2,4,5
Kipp RKC Waalwijk 2,4,7
Bolch Livorno 2,3,3

Gangster No 1 R Racing C 2,2,11
Bobwindy River Plate 3,2,1
Teasy Saint Etienne 1,2,8
Dazkelly AEK Athens 3,2,2
Matt.Wild 1.FC Kaiserlautern 1,2,11
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75 FC Twente 2,2,6
Phayze Cruzeiro 3,5,1
Tob Hansa Rostock 1,5,10
Fsheehan Norwich City 1,1,4

Ono Cagliari 2,1,2
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75 Bologna 2,4,1
PJG Hamburger SV 1,3,10
Steviep Siena 2,4,4
Andybhoy B. Monchengladbach 1,1,10
Babyjonny Lecce 2,2,3
Gunner Reggina 2,2,4
Jabra Club Brugge 3,3,1
Chet-Lee Besiktas 3,3,4

Loates123 Fiorentina 2,3,2
BrendonW Rangers 3,1,4
Belly Malaga C.F 2,4,9
H. Floyd Boca Juniors 3,1,1
Finlab Portsmouth 1,2,4
Moko Southampton 1,3,4
TriGGeR2008 Chievo 2,2,2
******* West Brom 1,5,4
A Guy Called Mel Hertha Berlin 1,1,10

Numbers denote where to find your team, ie 2,3,2 = 2 page of league teams, 3rd column, 2nd down

EDIT - Can't make proper columns :(

brendonw

25-08-2005, 22:30

EDIT - Can't make proper columns

- Damn those non proportionally space fonts

:lol:

john316

25-08-2005, 23:40

Oh the joy of Mainz - having had a go of them the other day, the sheer crapness of them cannot be underestimated :lol:

Tob

26-08-2005, 07:53

Hansa Rostock

Who are ya!
Who are ya!
Who are ya!

Please o please have a semi-quick striker.

:)

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 08:03

Are Caen an unknown Scottish outfit?

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 08:07

No actually they are French, with a striker named Manure, and a centre-half titled Ben Affleck :nuts:

They seem really good though cheers.

daz_75

26-08-2005, 10:25

Well as my and johnny seem to have drawn the short straw when shall we get it over and done with?

Bolch

26-08-2005, 10:42

Well as my and johnny seem to have drawn the short straw

wtf you on about :nuts:

daz_75

26-08-2005, 11:28

wtf you on about :nuts:

breasts, what do you think

Matt.Wild

26-08-2005, 11:44

Wot about my team?

john316

26-08-2005, 12:22

Wot about my team?

http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5629091&postcount=99

The might of Kaiserslautern :nuts:

Matt.Wild

26-08-2005, 12:49

I take it that :nuts: means they are brilliant :lol:

Matt.Wild

26-08-2005, 12:58

I'm away 7th till 17th but should be able to get all games done :thumbs:

bigjonnyauk

26-08-2005, 13:55

i know what ya mean daz mate :thumbs:

do the words shaft and fix come into your sentance aswell :lol:

also played with both teams and the 2nd division team is better online

might be worth taking a nose dive to get a decent team :n0rty:

HORNSTEVE9

26-08-2005, 14:39

iDue to all the requests (ie Rich) I'm going to do the Season 6 draw tonight.

As it stands at the moment the leagues will look like...

PREM
Tequila
Soundstyle
Br00n
John316
Richdmx
LouBarlow
Art Vanderlay
Kipp

Div 1
Gangster No 1
Bobwindy
Teasy
Bolch
Dazkelly
Matt.Wild
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75
Phayze
Tob
Fsheehan

Div 2
Ono
BigJonnyauk / Daz_75
PJG
Steviep
Andybhoy / Babyjonny
Gunner
Jabra
Chet-Lee

Div 3
Loates123
BrendonW
Andybhoy / Babyjonny
Belly
H. Floyd
Finlab
Moko
TriGGeR2008
*******
A Guy Called Mel

These are a bit unbalanced as 2 leagues have 10 members and 2 leagues have 8 members. As per previous seasons I'm using the "play off" spot to adjust the league numbers. When I do this no-one gets relegated only promotion based on where they finished last season. So The Premiership and Division 2 have 8 players so promoting a Div1 player to the Prem and a Div3 player to Div 2 = 9 players in each league.

Babyjonny has gained auto promotion from Division 3 by finishing 4th and no longer has to play a playoff with Andybhoy (although you're more than welcome to just to see what would've happened ;) )

And some slack geezer called Belch or something like that finished 4th in Div 1 so will move up to the Premiership despite a crap performance in his play off.

The Bigjonny/Daz_75 playoff still needs to be played.

Team selection drawn tonight right after Belly's FA Cup draw at 8

HORNSTEVE9

26-08-2005, 14:44

i would like to join the league for season 6

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 16:13

I just had a mini-rant on the launcher :lol:

Since they've reintroduced the 'stats page', nigh on every player I've played has resorted to scoring every goal from the infamous cut-back, side-foot approach - sadly, my rant didn't get a great deal of support :lol: :nuts:

Still, I continue to pick Caen, while my opponents pick Arse on red, Juve on red, AC on red...zzzz :D Lost the last game 6-3 and made a point of playing all my replays through just to rub it in :lol:

Tracking the stats = no more fun games on launcher :cry:

john316

26-08-2005, 16:36

Can't even be arsed with the Launcher anymore - can't remember the last time I played on there TBH :(

Cockeye

26-08-2005, 17:34

What is this launcher I keep hearing about?

Bolch

26-08-2005, 17:39

It's where you go when you want to play unfriendly people who insist on picking the best teams and setting player conditions to high. No one there will play 'away' as they want home advantage and then if you're beating them at home they turn downloads on to cause lag your end or if you're lucky they'll just quit the match half way through.

To join the excitment goto www.celeborn.co.uk and look for "pes4online".

On the plus side, the launcher saves you having to put someones ip in and does it for you, however the launcher has been known to cause lag itself.

HORNSTEVE9 : Sure, you get the pleasure of Lokomotiv Moscow and you'll be in Division 3

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 17:40

Apart from that it's great though :lol:

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 18:44

Wooho just won 3 on the trot with the mighty Caen - be afraid :lol:

HORNSTEVE9

26-08-2005, 19:31

LouBarlow

26-08-2005, 20:02

Yay Im #48 on the evo-stats website with Caen - get in there!!! :lol: :nuts:

john316

26-08-2005, 22:15

Anyone around for a friendly or two? Need to test out whether I've got the forwarding sorted on my new PC as well :D

richdmx

26-08-2005, 22:54

Bolch the numbers you have given to locate our teams are wrong matey :(

john316

26-08-2005, 23:19

chet-lee

26-08-2005, 23:45

I'm loving my team.....just played a couple of friendlies with teasy. They can kick a ball straight and I've got a big fella up front for the headers :)

pjg

27-08-2005, 01:03

Just had 3 nice friendlies with PJG and I think, shock horror, that I'm finding Mainz not too bad now. They are forcing me to play a more 'back to basics' sort of game with more short passing and its quite enjoyable. Found a nice player who wasn't even in the squad by default and has no number but he's pretty decent and fills the hole I had in my 3 forward formation :D

When I had Lazio I had loads of these players. They wear 0 on their back but come up as 256 when they score :?: :?:

Still haven't won any games with the mighty Hamburger after playing DazKelly, you and Broon :(

Bolch

27-08-2005, 12:31

Bolch the numbers you have given to locate our teams are wrong matey :(

Err, no they're not :shrug:

Richdmx Partizan Belgrade 3,2,4

Goto 3rd page of league teams, 2nd column, 4th row down.

Had a couple of off line games with Livorno, couple of alright strikers/defenders and 2 fast wingers but nothing worthwhile to cover DMF/CMF/OMF

Need to try them out online to see if the squad is different.

pjg

27-08-2005, 12:35

I will be on holiday until 10th September so will be unable to start my league games until then.

richdmx

27-08-2005, 12:48

Sorry Bolch i got confused with the pages in Pro Evo i was counting the International Teams as a page :doh:

john316

27-08-2005, 18:15

Anyone up for a friendly or two?

Cockeye

27-08-2005, 21:20

I'm hoping to get my new windows operating system on Wednesday or Thursday. Then I will have to reinstall everything, but will hopefully be on looking for practice matches with my new team late in the week.

When does the new season start?

Bolch

27-08-2005, 21:33

Friday 2nd, but by Friday 9th you need to of played at least 4 matches so you can easily fit in 5 days of practice and play those matches on the 8th/9th.

Matt.Wild

27-08-2005, 21:42

I'm liking Kaiserslautern :clap:

Ono

28-08-2005, 09:54

Caglucci are almost as bad as Monaco. :(

Cockeye

28-08-2005, 10:17

Friday 2nd, but by Friday 9th you need to of played at least 4 matches so you can easily fit in 5 days of practice and play those matches on the 8th/9th.

Well, I wont bother to practice - as it wont make any difference anyway! :)

Would appreciate it if you could give me a little leeway on those first four matches. I will do my best, but at the moment I am dependent on a very kind (but by necessity) anonymous fellow league player to sort me out.

Hopefully the above timescale will apply!

john316

28-08-2005, 10:19

Would appreciate it if you could give me a little leeway on those first four matches. I will do my best, but at the moment I am dependent on a very kind (but by necessity) anonymous fellow league player to sort me out.

Hopefully the above timescale will apply!

:n0rty: :suspect:

Cockeye

28-08-2005, 11:22

:shrug: :?:

HORNSTEVE9

28-08-2005, 14:33

blinding team i got drawen played halt a dozen friendlys and have not won yet L.MOSCOW - COULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER TEAM

Cockeye

28-08-2005, 14:34

Don't worry - as soon as I am back, I'll play you. That will build your confidence up! :)

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 14:49

blinding team i got drawen played halt a dozen friendlys and have not won yet L.MOSCOW - COULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER TEAM

Get better then. :shrug:

john316

28-08-2005, 14:51

Well, still unbeaten with Mainz - played 4 games with Bolch and I think I won 2 and drew 2. I might avoid relegation yet with them :D

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 14:54

I mean though seriously...you join a league and then moan about your team within 6 posts of being here, and without the season even having kicked off.

Great :nuts:

John - gonna be an interesting season mate, as I'm taking a few high profile scalps on the launcher with the mighty Caen, and received a sledging afterwards for my tactics :lol:

Back to basics tactics, but the football isn't gonna be pretty with these teams :D

richdmx

28-08-2005, 14:59

Well, still unbeaten with Mainz - played 4 games with Bolch and I think I won 2 and drew 2. I might avoid relegation yet with them :D

Fancy playing me?? :D

andybhoy

28-08-2005, 15:00

Just out of interest, Lou but what teams are they playing against you with? I bet they're using Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, et al?

Bolch

28-08-2005, 15:03

Well, still unbeaten with Mainz - played 4 games with Bolch and I think I won 2 and drew 2. I might avoid relegation yet with them :D

What a load of crap.

All bar one of your goals came from my defenders fluffing up. Mainz had no real class up front that I could see - almost ****** myself everytime you tried a lob :lol: You're going down for sure :D The long balls got very boring to play against very quickly. Always makes me laugh when you see people post "PES is the best football game ever it's soo life like" then see that person's defence honk it up the pitch wheneve they get the ball - yeah very life like :cuckoo:

Having said that Tottenham have cursed me. Won the last FA Cup with them, then they spent have of last season trying to sign Baptitsa now they're looking at getting Livorno stiker Luccelli (or however you spell it). ********!

:p

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 15:09

Just out of interest, Lou but what teams are they playing against you with? I bet they're using Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, et al?

Real Madrid, Real Madrid, Real Madrid, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Real Madrid... :oh-hum: :p

It changed overnight after they reintroduced the stats tracking on there - was having good games before it, now all you get is people picking the above mentioned, setting condition high, and throwing in cross after cross - great fun.

andybhoy

28-08-2005, 15:23

lol, typical - they pick the best teams, give themselves every advantage and then complain when someone out-tactics them!

I gave up on the place months ago, I got sick of all the arseholes who switched downloads on and one **** who chose the same team and colour shirt as me.

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 15:27

andybhoy

28-08-2005, 15:37

rofl!

What does alt-f4 do, minimise? I think that's what I used to use till matt wild mentioned alt-enter

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 15:40

Maybe it's ctrl-F4 then - whatever closes the game down - I have a rule of quitting the game once the abuse starts...unless I'm winning of course :suspect: :lol:

HORNSTEVE9

28-08-2005, 16:32

I Think I Might Of Cracked It Was Winner 2-0 And The Other Person Quit The Game In Discussed

HORNSTEVE9

28-08-2005, 16:43

What a load of crap.

All bar one of your goals came from my defenders fluffing up. Mainz had no real class up front that I could see - almost ****** myself everytime you tried a lob :lol: You're going down for sure :D The long balls got very boring to play against very quickly. Always makes me laugh when you see people post "PES is the best football game ever it's soo life like" then see that person's defence honk it up the pitch wheneve they get the ball - yeah very life like :cuckoo:

Having said that Tottenham have cursed me. Won the last FA Cup with them, then they spent have of last season trying to sign Baptitsa now they're looking at getting Livorno stiker Luccelli (or however you spell it). ********!

:pTHESE PLAYERS MUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING TOTTENHAM TO THINK THIS IS LIFE LIKE BECAUSE ALL THEY DO IS HONK IT UP THE PITCH

Cockeye

28-08-2005, 16:59

No need to shout surely?

Matt.Wild

28-08-2005, 17:11

blinding team i got drawen played halt a dozen friendlys and have not won yet L.MOSCOW - COULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR A BETTER TEAM

Whats your msn email address mate? If you don't wanna post it email me on

mattandkarra at hotmail dot com :thumbs:

john316

28-08-2005, 17:26

almost ****** myself everytime you tried a lob :lol:

My lobs vary from simply sublime to taking out the International Space Station :lol:

You're going down for sure :D The long balls got very boring to play against very quickly.

I'm looking to relegate you and Barlow - got to keep the Premier League status quo intact with me, SS, Nemesis, Br00n and Tequila :lol:

Bolch

28-08-2005, 18:02

I'm looking to relegate you and Barlow - got to keep the Premier League status quo intact with me, SS, Nemesis, Br00n and Tequila :lol:

Ahh, Jonny. So young and innocent. Let me break it down to you like this.....

The Premiership is nothing with Me, Barlow, SS and Tequila. Think of us as Stan, Cartman, Kyle and Kenny.

That makes you Butters - Or Mr Slave based on your games against Rich Garrison.

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 18:03

rotfl

I see him more in the mr hanky role :lol:

john316

28-08-2005, 18:46

Nah, I'm Butters :D

richdmx

28-08-2005, 18:48

Hey im not Garrison...more like Mr Hat :D

belly

28-08-2005, 20:37

Hehehe I even had a run-in with Belly on there yesterday, though I don't think he knew it was me.

I was Caen, he was Real Madrid, and the game was 1-1 and I had a player sent off...the conversation went as follows:

Belly - Try not fouling me
Lou - Get on with it you girl
Belly - lol
Belly - Pussy

/Lou presses Alt-F4 :lol:

Seems competition can affect even the best of us :D ;)

not me mate. i'm inter or Malaga for a start. and i am used to all your fouling. doesn't bother me any more. and i haven't used the launcher for ages, and my user on there is belloire..........

LouBarlow

28-08-2005, 21:14

I knew it was unlikely to be you, as I've had nothing but good-hearted action versus your goodself - the guy was called belly- and I just assumed it was you having a bad day or something :lol:

Apologies mate :)

HORNSTEVE9

29-08-2005, 17:49

:shrug:

HORNSTEVE9

29-08-2005, 17:51

Whats your msn email address mate? If you don't wanna post it email me on

mattandkarra at hotmail dot com :thumbs:hornsteve9@msn.com

john316

29-08-2005, 18:17

Anyone up for 2-3 friendlies against Mainz - still unbeaten with them :D

Matt.Wild

29-08-2005, 18:22

hornsteve9@msn.com

Added :D

Matt.Wild

29-08-2005, 19:53

Anyone up for 2-3 friendlies against Mainz - still unbeaten with them :D

:D ;) :p

john316

29-08-2005, 20:03

Stoopid Matt and his stoopid 50 man backlines that you can't break down with a Nuclear device

Bolch

29-08-2005, 20:10

Stoopid Matt and his stoopid 50 man backlines that you can't break down with a Nuclear device

2-1 I won both games against you Matt wasn't it?
Oh and I was away from John :D

Told you John3"16 you're going down :D

Matt.Wild

29-08-2005, 20:14

2-1 I won both games against you Matt wasn't it?
Oh and I was away from John :D

Told you John3"16 you're going down :D

Yes it was. Both ET winners with my stoopid forward hitting the post with an open goal in 1 and plenty of chances in the other :doh:

My strikers seem either **** hot or ******* awful :lol:

Today they were on form :thumbs:

Matt.Wild

29-08-2005, 20:15

Stoopid Matt and his stoopid 50 man backlines that you can't break down with a Nuclear device

50? Try 60 mate! I enlist some of the fans round the back of my goal to come on when the ref isn't looking :suspect: :D

john316

29-08-2005, 20:49

2-1 I won both games against you Matt wasn't it?
Oh and I was away from John :D

Told you John3"16 you're going down :D

Not happening, not happening, not happening, not happening

john316

29-08-2005, 22:37

Anyone up for a few friendlies?

john316

29-08-2005, 23:37

Nice set of games against Barlow then - kind of peeved him off as I was just looking at Sky News and forgot to quit the replay showing my last minute penalty winner. Although it sounds the 'totally classless, run your face in it' sort of move, it wasn't deliberate - I hardly even watch replays anymore unless its a nice goal :(

LouBarlow

29-08-2005, 23:39

Yeah yeah Johnny - like you forgot when you watched my last minute og in the 1st game too :lol:

Good games anyway :D

john316

29-08-2005, 23:40

Yeah yeah Johnny - like you forgot when you watched my last minute og in the 1st game too :lol:

Well that was just hilarious - I had to let the replay go as I was too busy LMAO and had to recompose myself :p

LouBarlow

29-08-2005, 23:41

Hahaha it was comedy gold.

This seasons going to be very interesting I think.

john316

29-08-2005, 23:51

I honestly think that anybody can win it this season and that anybody (bar Big T of course) can go down. The utter lack of team quality means that any loss of form will see you just flat out lose as individual quality players just aren't there so save your bacon!

Bolch

30-08-2005, 13:35

I know it's a bit early to discuss Season 7 but I had an idea before so thought I'd mention it.

Season 7 we use the top 10 teams only (Real, Barca, Arse etc) across all for 4 divisions so we have a Barca in each division. You're not only playing to win your league but also the team award. Each team will get their points in all 4 divisions added together to make a 5th table showing where "Team Barca" comes in releation to "Team Arse"

Thoughts?

Oh, I might start Season 6 early - As soon as the semi is finished.

Art Vanderlay

30-08-2005, 13:43

Sounds like a great idea.

I'd also agree with starting the next season early if we can, but maybe leaving the deadlines as they are so we still finish at the same time but being more strict with the deadlines

belly

30-08-2005, 14:09

i will be without home internet access for about a week from tonight.

will start my season as soon as i can.

steviep922

30-08-2005, 14:35

The idea for Season 7 sounds good to me. It would give the final PES4 season an extra edge.

I wouldn't mind Season 6 starting a bit earlier as well, that way I might get a couple of matches in before I go on holiday.

richdmx

30-08-2005, 14:38

I wouldn't mind Season 6 starting a bit earlier as well, that way I might get a couple of matches in before I go on holiday.

Would like to start ASAP as well, i want to get all my matches done ASAP. As i'll be running out of free time towards the end of the month.

Any chance we can get going Bolchy :shrug: :)

Matt.Wild

30-08-2005, 14:39

Yeah, that'd be good as i'm away from the 7th for 10 days :D

daz_75

30-08-2005, 14:47

i will be without home internet access for about a week from tonight.

will start my season as soon as i can.

same here actually, when i leave my job on the 14th my BB will be cut so ill be without it for an unknown amount of time

Bolch

30-08-2005, 15:01

OK Guys Season 6 will start tonight, I'll sort the tables out and start a new thread later (Probably around 6ish).

Daz, you're more than welcome to play any matches round here again if needs be.

daz_75

30-08-2005, 15:17

OK Guys Season 6 will start tonight, I'll sort the tables out and start a new thread later (Probably around 6ish).

Daz, you're more than welcome to play any matches round here again if needs be.

cheers dude

john316

30-08-2005, 15:32

Just had a set of games against Bigjonny and his FC Twente - 6 games in total, won 4 (1 of them after pens) and lost two. The two I lost were spectacular 5-1 and 6-1 defeats after I got absolutely annahilated by his main man N'Kufo. Fortunately Mainz eventually pulled themselves together despite conceading more goals :D

bigjonnyauk

30-08-2005, 16:05

yeah was good games john you were playing through the middle first game to easy so i put a man in there to block it

im trying to adopt a different approach this season trying to cut out the constant wing play and mass defence to try and play a more open game with hopefully more passing

if it goes for or against me well have to see

bigjonnyauk

30-08-2005, 16:14

anyone doing a msn list this season with correct guys in their leagues

john316

30-08-2005, 16:17

Me :dork:

bigjonnyauk

30-08-2005, 16:31

:notworthy thought as much

dont forget john babyjonny can be contacted through my msn

john316

30-08-2005, 16:37

MSN Lists for all 4 divisions:

Premier League (http://www.john.morris.dsl.pipex.com/Division 0 (Premier League).ctt)

Division 1 (http://www.john.morris.dsl.pipex.com/Division 1.ctt)

Division 2 (http://www.john.morris.dsl.pipex.com/Division 2.ctt)

Division 3 (http://www.john.morris.dsl.pipex.com/Division 3.ctt)

EDIT: RIGHT CLICK AND SAVING VIA INTERNET EXPLORER CHANGES THE FILE EXTENSION INTO .XML FILES. TO AVOID THIS, EITHER LEFT CLICK ON THEM AND THEN CLICK FILE/SAVE AS ON THE NEXT SCREEN OR RENAME THE EXTENSION TO .CTT ONCE DOWNLOADED. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO FIREFOX USERS :thumbs:

1. Of course I'm not down in the Premier League as I can't add myself :dork:

2. Bigjonnyauk and Babyjonnyauk are the same pers....whoops sorry, share accounts on MSN so bear that in mind for Division 2 peeps.

3. Haven't got A Guy Called Mel's MSN address - has he been definately entered?

4. Hornsteve9 has now been added to Div.3 list

bigjonnyauk

30-08-2005, 16:43

there is no truth we are the same person

for a fact john baby jonny wouldnt beat you 5-1 and 6-1 lol

bigjonnyauk

30-08-2005, 16:50

john these aint working cant get them on do we have to rename files or something

john316

30-08-2005, 17:07

Problem sorted with the fix in the main post above

HORNSTEVE9

30-08-2005, 17:11

hornsteve9@msn.com is this what you want

Bolch

30-08-2005, 17:31

3. Haven't got A Guy Called Mel's MSN address - has he been definately entered?

I'm going to put him on the table as it will save me time but I've not heard back from him. Will drop him an email and find out.

Cheers for the MSN Lists John :thumbs:

Bolch

06-09-2005, 13:13

As mentioned before, for Season 7 we'll have the top 10 teams only. Those same 10 will be used in each of the 4 leagues. Each person plays to win their league as normal. But you'll also be fighting for an overall 'team' position. I'll tally the points from all the same teams into 1 table so you can see how Team Barcelona is fairing against Team Arsenal etc.

Off the top of my head the 10 teams we'll use will be....
Arsenal
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Inter Milan
AC Milan
Barcelona
Juventus

Who'd like to see in the final 3 out of...
Valencia, Deportivo, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Other?

Still waiting for a lot of people to take the Survey (http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386897). This will determine wether there's going to be a World Cup Draw on Friday!

unrealnils

06-09-2005, 14:01

Next best three i would suggest are Chelsea, Roma and Bayern......

daz_75

06-09-2005, 15:16

Don't forget Inter im sure Gunner would agree :thumbs:

Bolch

06-09-2005, 15:51

Off the top of my head the 10 teams we'll use will be....
Arsenal
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Inter Milan
AC Milan
Barcelona
Juventus

I haven't forgotten em, did you forget your glasses?

:p

brendonw

06-09-2005, 16:37

:lol:

john316

06-09-2005, 17:05

Next best three i would suggest are Chelsea, Roma and Bayern......

I don't think Chelsea are that great in this currently - the next update though I expect to alter this significantly :suspect:

Bayern are a weird one - with Ballack running the show, they can be unstoppable but they can also be dismal with little pace in the side.

And I beat Tequila's Roma with Olympiakos so they can't be too hot! :D :D

I think its quite difficuly to divide up Liverpool, Chelsea, Roma, Valencia, Bayern, Dortmund, Lyon etc, etc - it can be purely down to the style of the player. But the elite sides mentioned are simply class in virtually the hands of every player here.

LouBarlow

06-09-2005, 17:31

Don't use Sparta Prague.

loates123

06-09-2005, 18:09

i wish people would play there games faster ...
my aim is to get a bove john in the league at this rate its going to take a while

Ono

06-09-2005, 18:11

I'm giving it a rest after Season 6.

Not coming back til PES5.

john316

06-09-2005, 18:12

my aim is to get a bove john in the league at this rate its going to take a while

Better get the old hiking boots out - you've got some climbing to do :D

I'm giving it a rest after Season 6.

I thought you gave up trying 2 seasons ago anyway? :D

Bolch

06-09-2005, 18:31

I'm giving it a rest after Season 6.

Not coming back til PES5.

Noooooo :(

Hoping to get a full league up again and was going to email some old favs to see if they wanted to make guest appearences! Last Pro Evo 4 league with a slight twist and you're giving up 20 matches from the end after playing hundreds and founding the league :(

gunner

06-09-2005, 19:28

Don't forget Inter im sure Gunner would agree :thumbs:

/agree

Inter :notworthy

gunner

06-09-2005, 19:31

Forgot to say, I can not make the W/C due to my holiday. But I will be back for season 7.

loates123

06-09-2005, 19:49

I'm giving it a rest after Season 6.

Not coming back til PES5.

ono pulling out surly not :nono:

daz_75

07-09-2005, 10:13

I haven't forgotten em, did you forget your glasses?

:p

:doh: Are you sure that was there :suspect: :D

Bolch

07-09-2005, 12:11

What I think I might do with regards to the final 3 teams is let that group of people pick their own team. ie

Draw 10 lots of 4, distribute the 7 teams previously mentioned to 7 lots of people, then tell the other 3 lots they have to pick their team in a first come first served, no duplicates manor. Hopefully whoever these people turn out to be won't stamp their feet up and down and refuse to play when 3 of them want A when they want B as it's all about give and take lads :suspect: I'll set them a 3 day limit to decide via msn/email if they've not responded by then I'll give them a team (a decent one).

What I might do is draw their group in secret before the actual draw, get in contact with them so when I do the actual draw I have their team ready for announcement.

Cockeye

07-09-2005, 12:57

Well, I even if I do complain, I'd never pull out due to a choice of team - and I am sure the vast majority here will be the same Shirley?

Bolch

07-09-2005, 13:28

You're probably right, there's just been to much toy throwing around here recently :suspect:

Bolch

09-09-2005, 07:34

Just reading what Lou put about smaller leagues in the other thread. Depending on how many players we get for Season 7 I may drop it to 3 divisions to even out the numbers. I think any less than that and we'd have too many players per divison. If people have problems playing 10 people in a month what's it going to be like asking them to play 20 before PES5 comes out? Season 7 has to be over around the time PES5 comes out, any longer and people won't go back to PES4 to play their games.

LouBarlow

09-09-2005, 08:04

Yeah maybe I didn't think that out properly :lol:

I just thought it might give us a bigger pool of players to pick from, but you would still eventually have to play everyone, so it makes no difference.

Bolch

17-09-2005, 23:05

How would everyone feel about Season 7 dropping to 3 divisions? At the moment the tables look slightly odd with only 9 players and a possible shift of 8 :lol: every season. For the last Season 7 would it help people play their games if there was 3 divisons with more people per division?

john316

17-09-2005, 23:07

It would probably work okay for next season - as long as you have no problem with a bit of moaning from people about 'free' promotions :D

LouBarlow

17-09-2005, 23:08

I would feel highly sexual about the 3 divs Bolchy.

gunner

17-09-2005, 23:12

Bolch

17-09-2005, 23:31

John - People = Bigjonny? :p
Lou - You always feel sexual*
Gunner - All promotions/relegations from this seson count as usual then Prem + Div 3 stay as they are. a third of Div2 goes to Div 3, and a 3rd of Div1 goes to the Prem, then the 2 remaining 3rds from Div1/2 will make the new middle division.

* To me anyway :luv:

bigjonnyauk

17-09-2005, 23:35

i dont get that bolch

Bolch

17-09-2005, 23:36

I don't get it either :(

Thats why I download so much donkey porn.

Cockeye

17-09-2005, 23:37

gunner

17-09-2005, 23:44

Gunner - All promotions/relegations from this seson count as usual then Prem + Div 3 stay as they are. a third of Div2 goes to Div 3, and a 3rd of Div1 goes to the Prem, then the 2 remaining 3rds from Div1/2 will make the new middle division.

Cool, how will you dertermine who is in the 1st/2nd/3rd thirds ( :thinking: ) of the tables split. For example where would promoted and relegated teams fit?

LouBarlow

17-09-2005, 23:46

I am in the premiership because I am the best AROUND - nothing's gonna ever keep me down.

bigjonnyauk

17-09-2005, 23:46

******* youre like a breth of fresh air mate lol

i aint bothered what ya do but with all the new faces and stuff when pes5 hits the forums how we gonna decide who goes where in the league cuz if it goes on sexiness ill have to be top of premier

will these leagues have any outcome on the placings for pes 5

also cheers for all the hard work you done bolch done a great job hopefully if online leagues come in then be a lot easier for you

no doubt barlow will find a way to hack them and adjust to his liking though lol

john316

18-09-2005, 00:04

will these leagues have any outcome on the placings for pes 5

Last I read, all leagues will start off with random draws for PES 5 because the game is different in many ways so players have a chance to start afresh. We may see players improve or fall away due to the new changes so it'll be interesting how it pans out! :thumbs:

Cockeye

18-09-2005, 09:57

Last I read, all leagues will start off with random draws for PES 5 because the game is different in many ways so players have a chance to start afresh. We may see players improve or fall away due to the new changes so it'll be interesting how it pans out! :thumbs:

What, you mean it's slightly possible that I might turn out to have some skill? Surely not?

Bolch

18-09-2005, 11:26

I'm just happy to be here, but if you really want my two pennies worth - is it really worth changing it for the very last season? If any change is implemented wouldn't it be better with the new start that is PES5.

But whatever you do, I'm happy!

Thats kindof the reason I'm changing it.

In this last season I'm going to be doing the team grouping thing as mentioned previously. For this to work we need 1) an equal number of people in each division and 2) No dropouts. I need to find out how many people are going to be up for Season 7, then chances of that number being perfectly divisible by 4 arn't *that* high. The possibility of 3 divisions for this final season is only there as a backup. THEN add in the factor that there will be no promotion/relegation spots during Season 7 (as there will be a total reshuffle for PES5) means it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Gunner: Determining who gets promoted to top division and who gets relegated to the bottom division will mroe than likely be based on everyone's performance over the last 6 seasons. But this seasons promotion/relegation will play an integral part in that.

Like I said it's not definitly going to happen, just wanted to put it in your minds for Season7 to work the way we've been discussing.