Don't go running just because i've mentioned Star Wars

[Robby]

Something i found at Dark Horizons

Star Wars: Original Trilogy (DVD): Post Magazine just ran an article on the proposed 2006 DVD release of the original trilogy and talked with George Lucas who said of the delay: "The first three films in the trilogy are much harder to put together as a comprehensive package like we did on Episode I. That's why we're spending more time on it, and it's going to take more time because we didn't shoot very much behind-the-scenes stuff, and a lot of the material that we would normally include just didn't exist in those days. This was a long time ago; before even VHS". Smaller budgets for the films meant fewer deleted scenes too "which furthers complicates the process of putting together a DVD package". Thanks to 'WordSmith'

So why not just releasing them NOW sans extras that you're finding so hard to find??????????????

Dagnammit.:rolleyes:

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

Why doesn't he just use the comprehensive extras that were put together for the laserdisc release? :rolleyes:

[Gozer]

Surely they could just put the executer vhs box making ofs on a disc. Add the trailers and some cast + crew commentaries, film a extensive retrospective doco like those on the Bond discs. Throw in both cuts of the films on two different discs as a extra bonus and bobs ya uncle you have a pretty darn good special edition dvd.

[Bapapapa]

2006!! LMAO!!

Luca$ is an A1 fat greedy prick.

:nuts:

[Michael Brooke]

<B>Luca$ is an A1 fat greedy prick. </B>

Er... I can't follow your logic here at all!

Surely releasing a barebones edition now and then "forcing" (to use a popular Forum expression) people to buy it again a few years later would be rather greedier?

[Gozer]

To be fair, I've bought lots of copies of Star Wars on VHS from said "fat greedy prick" and to be honest I wouldn't mind buying a bare-bones release now (like I have done with Blade Runner & would do with Indy Jones ;) ) and get a special editon box in a couple of years. As long as they include both cuts of the film and release it at a fair price "fat greedy prick" can have some more of my money.

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

You could always make the argument that some of the effort Lucasfilm is currently putting into squeezing every last dollar out of children and sad cases next year by making god knows how many Episode II toys, books and crap videogames might better be spent on putting together Original Trilogy DVDs that might actually be worth having.

[Ben Martin]

i can't understand the sentiments on these forums about being "forced" to purchase discs, whether lucasfilm releases or not. such as when a new SE version comes out for a movie and many people who have been whinging that the current version isn't good enough suddenly switch to whinging about having to purchase another version! :eek:

all those episode II items coming out next year - as with dvds you don't have to purchase them if you don't want to. it's like when manchester united release a new kit and the papers start screaming about all those poor parents who now have to buy their children another new kit! oh really, do these kids get absolutely everything else they want as well?!

despite the fact that i'd quite like some "bare-boned" star wars dvds now, fair play to lucas who doesn't seem to want to short-change the fans (and in the long term force them to buy further releases) by releasing what he considers to be an 'inferior product' now. the fact that he knows we'd all buy it and then buy every other later release but isn't exploiting that easy option surely shows a lack of greed and a degree of respect for the fans?

[Gozer]

100% agree man. All I want is an anamorphic widescreen Star Wars bare bones dvd to tide me over until the SEs are sorted. I wanna watch the films without them looking like **** after zooming in on VHS (urgh!)

[Andy_C]

Although some reports do say that Lucas doesn't want to release the original trilogy on DVD because he's not finished tinkering with them yet.

I'm guessing he won't release the original trilogy until ep 1,2 and 3 are done.

And no matter what you think of the Phantom Menace and the whole prequel thing, it'd be pretty cool having a 12 DVD Star Wars box set, no?

[Bapapapa]

Originally posted by Michael Brooke
<B>Luca$ is an A1 fat greedy prick. </B>

Er... I can't follow your logic here at all!

Surely releasing a barebones edition now and then "forcing" (to use a popular Forum expression) people to buy it again a few years later would be rather greedier?

'Greedy' as in countless 'Special Editions' of VHS Star Wars.

'Prick' because there is no reason why he can't release them on DVD now. Waiting to put together a decent amount of extras is just ********, he's just messing with people. Probably still sulking 'cos THX didn't become the DVD standard sound format.

I'll stand by my original statement. :p

[greath]

THX isn't a sound format. It's a method of post-processing, not performed within the DVD player but within the AV processor, to compensate for the differences for a sound mix designed for the cinema and the replay in the home. Usually cinema mixes are compressed with a higher amout of treble to compensate for all of the people in the room. Nowadays most DVD soundtracks are mixed for "home cinema" replay and so don't need THX post-processing in the AV receiver.

[Ben Martin]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
Probably still sulking 'cos THX didn't become the DVD standard sound format.

:confused: i doubt it, seeing as THX is really no more than a glorified speaker arrangement, as it's name (tom holman's crossover) suggests. it is not a sound format.

EDIT: greath's post wasn't up when i replied - better explanation too! :)

[gZa]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
Probably still sulking 'cos THX didn't become the DVD standard sound format.:confused:
THX ain't an audio format, man! :brickwall

[Bapapapa]

Originally posted by greath
THX isn't a sound format. It's a method of post-processing, not performed within the DVD player but within the AV processor, to compensate for the differences for a sound mix designed for the cinema and the replay in the home. Usually cinema mixes are compressed with a higher amout of treble to compensate for all of the people in the room. Nowadays most DVD soundtracks are mixed for "home cinema" replay and so don't need THX post-processing in the AV receiver.

http://www.bapapapa.btinternet.co.uk/dorky.gif

Yes, I know it's not a format per se, but it has been rumoured that because THX isn't integral to the DVD standard it's the reason why Luca$ has thrown his toys out.

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

Originally posted by Ben Martin
[B]i can't understand the sentiments on these forums about being "forced" to purchase discs, whether lucasfilm releases or not. such as when a new SE version comes out for a movie and many people who have been whinging that the current version isn't good enough suddenly switch to whinging about having to purchase another version! :eek:

I see where you're coming from but it's naive to think that studios don't plan these things. Look at Paramount, releasing the Star Trek films as bare bones editions even as they're planning to release them again in the near future as special editions. Yes, fans are stupid for being taken in but fans of certain films are as obsessive as football nutters and will be so eager to own the films on DVD, they won't want to wait another few years for the better version. Isn't it just a bit disgusting for a big company to deliberately milk its most loyal customers in this way?

[Ben Martin]

jesus baps! :eek: posting that 'dorky' smiley is just so wrong, even if you only mean it as a joke. so what if it's technical information about THX? this is a dvd forum!! so are we all dorky for discussing the ins and outs of dvd??

furthermore - did you b@%*&cks know it was a sound format!!! :D looks like you're trying to cover your own ass to me! and i quote: (my underlining)

Originally posted by Bapapapa
Probably still sulking 'cos THX didn't become the DVD standard sound format.

;) :D

[Bapapapa]

Calm down Ben, you got a complex or summink? http://www.bapapapa.btinternet.co.uk/dorky.gif

If my subsequent post/explaination is still wrong, then EAT ME!!

:p

[Ben Martin]

Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes
Isn't it just a bit disgusting for a big company to deliberately milk its most loyal customers in this way?

likewise, i also see where you're coming from, but it just depends what your stance is. the way i personally see it is that they can't force you to buy anything from them. supply and demand and all that - consumers can vote with their wallet by chosing not to buy those products and spend their money elsewhere.

just because something is available doesn't mean you have to buy it. if you do you have chosen to do so, whether you like it or not. i'm a big star wars fan (movies only, mind) but i ignored 99% of the merchadise for episode I, only buying the two main posters, the soundtrack and some of the figures. i felt no compulsion whatsoever to buy anything else.

and baps ....

Originally posted by Bapapapa
Calm down Ben, you got a complex or summink?

:confused: no calming down necessary! check out those smilies mate, just having a laugh not a dig! :)

[Jorin]

Mind the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out, Baps. :D

I find myself not minding about the releases of these films being delayed. I've always wanted to have these movies on DVD but hearing the ranting and raving and the broken hearts on this issue alone, I've just given up on it all for the moment. I have them all on VHS and that'll do for the meantime. When they are officially released, then there'll be something worth celebrating for the future. You just gotta be philosophical about these things.

And as for that **** Lucas, who does he think he is...? *snarl*

:nuts:

[Bapapapa]

but i ignored 99% of the merchadise for episode I, only buying the two main posters, the soundtrack and some of the figures.

:nuts:

[Bapapapa]

I find myself not minding about the releases of these films being delayed. I've always wanted to have these movies on DVD but hearing the ranting and raving and the broken hearts on this issue alone, I've just given up on it all for the moment. I have them all on VHS and that'll do for the meantime. When they are officially released, then there'll be something worth celebrating for the future. You just gotta be philosophical about these things.

But 2006!!? :eek:

Come on mate, you gotta admit that's taking the ****. DVD will be dead by then (Or not). Actually that's probably what Luca$ is hoping for. :nuts:

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

My original point though was that Lucas COULD release the trilogy now WITH an excellent set of extras. Who wouldn't drool over a Star Wars boxed set featuring -

* the original cuts
* the special editions
* the commentaries and documentaries off the laserdiscs
* presumably there are doumentaries about the special editions knocking around somewhere
* DVD quality picture and sound

This could be put together NOW. What exactly are we waiting 4 years for? Some smart-arse multi-angle feature or interactive game that can only be done on DVD? Who cares?

Release them now you hairy, lumberjack-shirted, Jar Jar Binks-inventing git. :mad:

[Bapapapa]

This could be put together NOW. What exactly are we waiting 4 years for?

He's waiting for the death of DVD.

:nuts:

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

Originally posted by Bapapapa


He's waiting for the death of DVD.

:nuts:

But DVD is never going to die. Ever! It can't, there's no way I can justify buying all my favourite films THREE times! :eek:

[Bapapapa]

By the time Star Wars gets released we'll be dead, let alone DVD. :p

[Ol' Blue Eyes]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
By the time Star Wars gets released we'll be dead, let alone DVD. :p

ROFL :D ...but hey, at least our grandchildren will be able to enjoy a really smashing box set.

[robbiejm]

Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes
Who wouldn't drool over a Star Wars boxed set featuring -

* the original cuts - Yes!
* the special editions - Good God NO!
* the commentaries and documentaries off the laserdiscs - Yes!
* presumably there are doumentaries about the special editions knocking around somewhere - For the love of Jebus I hope not!
* DVD quality picture and sound - Yes!

All we need is the dvd equivalent of the Laserdisc set, no special edition crap and no filling up the discs with hours of toss as seen on TPM dvd.

[gZa]

Originally posted by robbiejm
...and no filling up the discs with hours of toss as seen on TPM dvd. :confused:
I thought the extras on the TPM DVD were excellent. Definately a step back in the right direction of quality over quantity. In fact it was the first so called Special Edition DVD that I've actually bothered to completely go through. The phrase - they don't make 'em like there used to - certainly rings true these days.

[robbiejm]

Originally posted by Garry Cowell
:confused:
I thought the extras on the TPM DVD were excellent. Definately a step back in the right direction of quality over quantity. In fact it was the first so called Special Edition DVD that I've actually bothered to completely go through.

I turned the commentary off after about 45 mins because it was boring, and I couldn't stand listening to Rick McCallum any longer. :D

Some of the featurettes were ok I guess, but there's a lot of padding on that disc in my opnion.

[James Garner]

Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes


But DVD is never going to die. Ever! It can't, there's no way I can justify buying all my favourite films THREE times! :eek:


Don't forget the soon to be previewed Image Cube, a small 3 cm solid state device that will store the equivalent of 3 DVD's and cost about the same as a good chinese meal. Players will be the size of pack of cigarettes.

[cervaro]

Originally posted by James Garner
Don't forget the soon to be previewed Image Cube, a small 3 cm solid state device that will store the equivalent of 3 DVD's and cost about the same as a good chinese meal. Players will be the size of pack of cigarettes.

Sounds like the gadget Sylvester Stallone used in Demolition Man 7 years ago. No doubt the manufacturers will milk the product for all it's worth initially by selling the players at a premium price. What's new? :(

I too think Lucas could have released the original trilogy (in whatever form) by now. Maybe if he wasn't such a control freak and delegated the job to someone senior at Lucasfilm/ILM, that would be the case.

[TODGE]

I Don't give a flying duck whether they bring the ''Star War's Trilogy'' back with more extra's than a Cecil B demile movie, with 10.1 Dolby DTSexyz superduperbit transfer with a cherry on top!!
I am sick to bleeding death of hearing about the most overatted pile of claptrap i had the misfortune to suffer since it was released
but then that's just me:D

[William Shatners Wig]

Originally posted by TODGE
I Don't give a flying duck whether they bring the ''Star War's Trilogy'' back with more extra's than a Cecil B demile movie, with 10.1 Dolby DTSexyz superduperbit transfer with a cherry on top!!
I am sick to bleeding death of hearing about the most overatted pile of claptrap i had the misfortune to suffer since it was released
but then that's just me:D

:rolleyes: :o

[dean richardson]

Come on mate, you gotta admit that's taking the ****. DVD will be dead by then

and baps also thinks lucas is a greedy prick.....will if he is that greedy he would release an edition on dvd, then when dvd is dead and a new format rises from its ashes he will release it again to comply. The same as vhs/dvd. 2 releases is more money than 1 release. So it appears to me that money is not his motivation here.

Lucus is clearly only interested in releasing the best DVD he can so he can be "proud" of it. And if that is going to take him 6 yrs then so be it.

Personally i would rather have a good transfer and basic extras (if any) and have it in a boxset for 2002. but its not my movie to release !!!

[Bapapapa]

Lucus is clearly only interested in releasing the best DVD he can so he can be "proud" of it. And if that is going to take him 6 yrs then so be it.

Yeah right...

http://www.bapapapa.btinternet.co.uk/rainfrolaughing.gif

[dtsrules]

Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes


ROFL :D ...but hey, at least our grandchildren will be able to enjoy a really smashing box set.

My kids hate Star Wars (they get it from me i think :)) and wont watch it, so i can't see my grandchildren watching it.

I agree about the dvd releases, lucas could release them now as barebones and he would sell millions, why bother waiting.

[Hateincarnate]

Just going back to the point of Lucas milking the public for all their worth and the fact you can ignore certain merchandising- Ben Martin, when you said you bought the soundtrack to Episode 1 did you buy the first release of the soundtrack when it came out ot did you wait for the ultimate second release of the soundtrack that wasnt publicised in any way?

[Ben Martin]

i bought both versions of the soundtrack. the first one in may 1999 and the ultimate edition about a year later. i knew there'd be a full release but didn't want to wait for it, so the first release sufficed in the interim - and i sold it on when the second version came out.

my point still stands though. i didn't have to buy either, and i based my decision on buying the first version on the fact that some music "now" was better than none while waiting for the full release, even if it ended up costing me more money.

[Byron]

Funny, 'cos Criterion didn't need six years for Brazil, Spartacus, Life of Brian ect, to name but a few excellent special editions of older films.

Nor did Warner need six years for their excellent Citizen Kane special edition -- yes Georgy Boy, the one made in 1940.

Sorry, but 2006 is just extracting the urine in every way; though as others have said, it can't even be acredited to honest to goodness straight greed. It just makes no sense from a commercial standpoint, a commitment to the films -- heck, any form of logic whatsoever fails to gell. It just doesn't take anything aproaching this long to put together good DVDs; there's absolutely no evidence to substatiate a word Lucas has said.

If someone can come up with a better descriptive term than the nice simple "complete moron", please feel free ... :)

[Bapapapa]

When I said he was a greedy fat prick, the greed bit wasn't directed towards the non-DVD release, but just a general description of the prick that is Luca$.

His 'Extras' excuse is just plain ********. He's sulking about the THX standard thing and also wasn't he one of the prime advocates for the failed DivX?

A bazillion versions on VHS and a few different ones on laserdisc?- hmmm, manages to punt them out PDQ.

[Roberto]

Actually bap's, what you said got me thinking. Doesn't he seem to release Star Wars on a format that's on the tail end of it's life? VHS (althrough many versions did exsist until now) And laser discs? What's wrong with this man? By the time BOTH mummy films are on DVD only Episode I made it's way to DVD two months ago! (The Mummy & Episode I where released at the same time in 1999 as well)

[pjn]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
wasn't he one of the prime advocates for the failed DivX?

I heard he has a large interest in Video CD - a format on which Star Wars has been released (you can get the triology for about £30).

I dont really care about special features on DVDs - just want a good sound and picture.

[Chyna Tsui]

Sorry to drift off topic but I've been meaning to ask for ages, Baps, what on planet earth is that mad multicoloured turban signiture thing all about??? It makes me feel ill.

[Bapapapa]

Sorry to drift off topic but I've been meaning to ask for ages, Baps, what on planet earth is that mad multicoloured turban signiture thing all about??? It makes me feel ill.

http://www.bapapapa.btinternet.co.uk/rainfroread.gif

[Ben Martin]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
He's sulking about the THX standard thing

no he's not! you still haven't provided any evidence for this claim. and as greath explained above it was never going to be a standard for dvd or any other home video format anyway. i don't see lucas sulking about anything, and why would he need to - he's got pretty much everything he wants.

and also wasn't he one of the prime advocates for the failed DivX?

nope. but 20th century fox were one of the studios backing it many years ago so maybe you've accidentally confused the two?

[Bapapapa]

Me: He's sulking about the THX standard thing

Ben Martin:no he's not! you still haven't provided any evidence for this claim.

It's a theory that has been rumoured, can't remember where, but it will remain a valid theory until someone disproves it. :p Come on, give me a better reason why none of the decent Lucasarts productions are on DVD yet.

The 'Extras' theory is BS - IMO, purely 'cos he hasn't bothered too much about 'quality' before.

i don't see lucas sulking about anything, and why would he need to - he's got pretty much everything he wants.

That's exactly why he can mess the fans around. He doesn't <i>need</i> to release anything. I bet he's sitting in his ranch giggling to himself right now thinking 'I'll teach them not to give me my own way'...

Maybe I am wrong about the DivX issue, but I'm sure I saw his name mentioned somewhere along the line.

[Ben Martin]

Originally posted by Bapapapa
Come on, give me a better reason why none of the decent Lucasarts productions are on DVD yet.

easy. because both lucas himself and lucasfilm as a whole are busy working on the prequel trilogy. and it's a continuous project until after episode III is released and one that they understandably want to prioritise and get "right" - regardless of what we think of the films. pre-production on episode I had started long before the dvd format was commercially released.

I bet he's sitting in his ranch giggling to himself right now thinking 'I'll teach them not to give me my own way'...

i bet he isn't. far too busy for that, i'd wager.

[Bapapapa]

I'm sticking to my theory. I find it unbelievable that Luca$ and his cronies are unable to delegate the DVD transfer to a seperate dept within the company. There <u>must</u> be an ulterior motive for his reluctance to support DVD voluntarily. :/

Dare we hope to see Indy before 3010!?

:nuts: