[PC] The Excessive Latency Thread (AKA Bigjohnnyauk's play pen) [Archive]

Bolch

11-08-2005, 09:44

Also known as the Lag thread.

Lets keep all mentions of the word lag OUT of the competition threads

Bigjonny, do you ever play any other online games that have record pings (CS, CoD, BF2 etc)? If so, what you do you ping in those games on UK servers? If you are lagging like crazy, then investigate anything and everything!

What equipment do you use? (unsure of what NTL BB customers use)
What length cable do you use to connect to your BB equipment?
What AV do you use?
What firewall do you use?
Which Wolf patch did you install?
What resolution do you run the game at?
What gamepad do you use to play the game with?

Any bit of information you can provide can help us eliminate this problem cos blaming the game doesn't really cut it when 99% of us don't suffer real lag on clienting :p

EDIT: What exactly is your lag like? Is it Button Lag, is it teleporting player lag? Is it just players being stuck in the mud lag?

I know Jonny has an NTL 2mb line like I do so for comparrison....

I use an NTL Cable Modem plugged into a Linksys wireless cable router

The cable from Modem to router is around a metre and from router to PC is around a meter. I could do wireless but choose not to as I imagine it would be crap for gaming (not had good experiences's with wireless).

I use Mcafee + Windows own Firewall and I leave my machine sat on the DMZ because I'm reckless/not paranoid* (*Delete as appropriate).

I use the Wolf 2005 Evolution Patch, run the game at 1280x768 and use an official PS2 pad plugged into the play.com adapter which is plugged in a usb 2.0 port. I've had a 3/4 of instances of lag playing as client but they've been when it was raining. I've had a couple of people complain about lag when playing me most notably it's been people that joined from Season 3 onwards :suspect:

I also don't use any p2p software as it's the work of the devil (I download from a higher source :n0rty: ) so don't have that idling in the background.

daz_75

11-08-2005, 09:50

Only had lag a couple of times, and never that bad. The weridest type is when it feel like your players are playing in mud, only ever had that when playing floyd :D

john316

11-08-2005, 10:01

Pipex 2mb ADSL
Ebuyer 108mbps Wireless Router (I only use the wired connection)
1m cable from PC to Router
Symantec 9.0 Anti Virus
Kerio Personal Firewall (No DMZ or Windows Firewall used)
Wolf Evo 2005 patch
1152x864 resolution (anything else slows the game a little - not jerky, just slow :D )
PS2 pad/Play.com converter
I shut down MS Antispyware and Konfabulator on my main PC to make sure as well

Not had a single lag report in a while now apart from Hardtofin a couple of weeks past but he realised the problem was his and not mine in the end. No one else has mentioned a single issue and I always want people tell me of anything remotely lag based and I will do the same whenever I can. I always say that if you do have lag, press the Start Button indicator immediately and I will put the ball out. Trying to play on and only bothering to tell me when you are 2-0 down is not good enough ;)

daz_75

11-08-2005, 10:14

john's connection has always been good for me, and i agree, you can tell lag is happening straight away usually, so just press the start button. It's obvious why it's been pressed.

Matt.Wild

11-08-2005, 10:23

I've played literally hundreds of games against various folk and have found that lag seems to come and go. More often than not I get no lag (prolly 90/10 split). On other days, against the same people its laggy and makes it really difficult to to play - see my games against Bigjonnyuk and Ricflair - which had massively different results based on the lag - control laggy I lost 5-0 to Ric and then the next day beat him 4-0 without lag, Jonny beat me 5-2 when I had masses of control lag then when I hosted against him I won 3-0 and hit the bar a couple of times - me and Jonny have played loads of times so we know each others styles inside out and we know it definatlety effects the results. Indeed, two of Jonnys goals were the direct result of my player not kicking the ball due to lag.

I use 1mb Pipex connection, a frog ADSL modem (used a router before but that was too laggy and resulted in teleporting lag!), a P4 3.0 with 512mb DDR2 Ram and a 6600GT running at 1280x1024 (nice and pwitty :D) and have over 100 gigs free on my hard disk so I know its not the system. Control wise, I use the play.com USB PS2 convertor box with PS2 dual shock pad. I think the PC version is definatley slower to react than the Xbox version but this reaction time is sometimes doubled with bad control lag.

I use AVG anti virus, windows firewall (nothing on my system that anyone would want and if they did I'd be happy to just reformat as I have nothing important) and Spyware Blaster.

What can be done? I don't know the answer to this. It seems that that it may be based on traffic going through our ISP's on certain nights IMO and may be down to contention rates as a result. TBH severe teleporting or pausing lag normally means games are canned within minutes. With control lag its often more difficult to see as games often appear quite smooth beyond the fact that players hold on to the ball much longer than they should.

As a final note - It can actually help - sometimes you go to shoot and your player doesn't kick only for the player to run past the keeper and leave you with an empty goal to shoot at :lol: In the end, I'm not sure what to conclude but to ignore it does ignore a problem that sometimes rears its ugly head and can really mess up your results.

PS - I don’t think I've ever come across anyone on the forums who uses a p2p to slow the game down mind and make it more laggy :thumbs:

john316

11-08-2005, 10:33

I've always found the Teleport lag is due to Upload Speed being hammered somewhere - have people tried running ADSLGuide speed tests during the evenings to check what their connection is like?

Cockeye

11-08-2005, 11:10

Played Matt last night, and experienced lag.

I would go to shoot and suddenly the ball was somewhere else! :)

I have a 1 meg ADSL from Talk Talk. Anything i can do? Or just normal?

Matt.Wild

11-08-2005, 11:27

Lag isn’t normal to honest :(

It may have been just a one off. I’ll look out for you over the next few days for a few rematches to see if it happens again. You can host this time too :thumbs:

Hawaiian Floyd

11-08-2005, 11:28

Only had lag a couple of times, and never that bad. The weridest type is when it feel like your players are playing in mud, only ever had that when playing floyd :D

That was the tranqulizers I'd added to the water supply in the away dressing room :nuts:

daz_75

11-08-2005, 11:38

That was the tranqulizers I'd added to the water supply in the away dressing room :nuts:

You bugger, i thought that water tasted funny :lol:

Played Matt last night, and experienced lag.

I would go to shoot and suddenly the ball was somewhere else! :)

I have a 1 meg ADSL from Talk Talk. Anything i can do? Or just normal?

Sounds like teleporting to me, defo not the norm. There were some windows updates last night which may have been downloading when people hadn't realised

Matt.Wild

11-08-2005, 11:45

Daz, you may be onto something there! :eek:

That could explain why sometimes its smooth and free flowing and other times its like playing in mud like you described :thumbs:

Cockeye

11-08-2005, 13:18

damn microsoft! Damn them all to hell! ;)

LouBarlow

11-08-2005, 13:18

Had one instance of lag ever against people on here - think it was ricflair, and it was his computer playing up rather than his connection, with his PC running at 100% causing the game to move at one frame per second.

Then we had the 'br00n incident' well documented, say no more.

Everyone else - no problems.

I'm convinced that some of you have background tasks going on and don't realise it - virus programs updating automatically, or msn updates, windows updates etc etc, or you subscribe to pikey-esque isps.

Either way, all this ***-talk is starting to get on my teets now, and is spoiling what really should be a laugh, not life and death...

Bolch

11-08-2005, 13:21

Either way, all this ***-talk is starting to get on my teets now, and is spoiling what really should be a laugh, not life and death...

I agree, hence sticking it all here and a threat of punishment :suspect: of talking about lag in competition threads.

belly

11-08-2005, 14:07

isn't this Latency stuff odd. i was playing as Client the other day, whilst running a VPC image using 1gb Ram. not a jot of lag. and i only have a 512kb connection.

yet there are people running 2mb connections getting problems.

it makes NO sense.

john316

11-08-2005, 14:10

People should just disable the Auto Updates for Windows to stop that being a problem (Start, Right Click on My Computer and click on Automatic Updates. Change it to Never Check for Auto Updates).

isn't this Latency stuff odd. i was playing as Client the other day, whilst running a VPC image using 1gb Ram. not a jot of lag. and i only have a 512kb connection.

yet there are people running 2mb connections getting problems.

it makes NO sense.

There is a difference between the speed of connection and latency - you can have a 100mb Internet Connection but if you have rubbish latency, then you'll have major problems.

daz_75

11-08-2005, 14:48

mine auto update is set to let me decide if i want to download them or not, i think that's the best way, you don't want it installing stuff when you don't know about it

bigjonnyauk

11-08-2005, 15:02

ok here we go

What equipment do you use? NTL 2 MEG BROADBAND WITH SILVER MODEM (THERE ARE 3)
What length cable do you use to connect to your BB IT AROUND HALF A METRE VERY SHORT
What AV do you use? AVG (DISABLED WHEN PLAYING WITH UPDATES TURNED OFF
What firewall do you use? SYGATE TURNED OFF WHEN PLAYING ATUO UPDATE CANCELLED
Which Wolf patch did you install?THE LATEST 2005 PATCH
What resolution do you run the game at?1280X1024
What gamepad do you use to play the game with?GAME USB PAD LIKE A PS2 ONE

my modem sits on top of comp then wire into network card on pci slot
when playing i have nothing running and turn of any auto updates when i load a proogy as i like to update myself so no auto updates running

i am not involved in pikey pnp software so have none of that rubbish on my comp

done tests and have the correct speed for my line also had an engineer come out to test my ntl line as i have 3 ntl tv boxes aswell my bb is running on seperate line and he said no probs at all very good reading

my computer is newish which i built myself and comprises of the following just incase you see anything odd which may stand out

tagan 480w psu
msi neo2 platinum motherboard
2 gig twinx pc3200 ram
athlon 64 3200 processor
120 gig sata hard drive
xfx 6800gt gfx card
liteon dvd writer
lynksys pci ethernet card
soundblaster live 5.1 sound card
creative i trigues speakers
17 inch monitor at native res of 1280x1024

i make sure i keep pc tidy and no proggys running at all i reformat my comp every 8-10 weeks and change hard drive every 6 -8 months

temps are ok aswell

gfx card runs at 55 and processer at 36 so no heat issues

all i can think is maybe my pci network card is causing some lag but i have also tried the onbard ethernet with same results

what do ya think i dont mind playing with a bit of lag and from now on will just grin and bear it but its very unusual i get any probs when hosting matt will tell ya most times its ok just seems to be every now and then i get bad lag when client

i cant see any conflicts in the above system

belly

11-08-2005, 15:04

so what causes high latency? is it length of cable type stuff, cause my router is on the end of a 15m extension cable.

however the contention ratio for (the massively expensive) karoo is quite good.

john316

11-08-2005, 15:37

mine auto update is set to let me decide if i want to download them or not, i think that's the best way, you don't want it installing stuff when you don't know about it

I just do it manually by just going to Windows Update :D

gunner

11-08-2005, 15:38

I have as close to an 8mb line that I can get and a 512 u/l and I know that l*g does happen on the odd occasion, but I blame bulldog as I play BF2 and get a ping of around 8 - but it is prone to losing connection occasionly.

daz_75

11-08-2005, 15:39

i make sure i keep pc tidy and no proggys running at all i reformat my comp every 8-10 weeks and change hard drive every 6 -8 months

Jesus, you must have money and time to burn

LouBarlow

11-08-2005, 16:20

Worth bearing in mind, that if you have windows update set to manual, it can still actually download the files, but it prompts you before actually installing - it will still be using up your bandwith.

daz_75

11-08-2005, 16:23

I just do it manually by just going to Windows Update :D

that's what i meant, i think, the beer is talking for me at the mo :thumbs:

bigjonnyauk

11-08-2005, 18:53

daz not really mate i buy a new hard drive which is prob on special somewhere use it for 6 months then sell it at not to much of a loss and add maybe a tenner and buy another that is on special

only pay out around a tenner each time if you know where to look u can pick up some bargains

pcworld are always doing cheap h/d now online but you can reserve them now and collect

also i would like to thank john36 who spent a good 45 mins trying to help me with my net connection and settings we had a game which was laggy then he sent me this little optimization proggy and told me what settings to put

we had another game and i cant tell you the difference it made i could actually defend and had no button lag there was a slight lag but that is norm i think nothing like what i was getting

babyjonny has to play a few matches tonight so ill see what it is like against others

thanks john

john316

11-08-2005, 19:04

Glad to help out ;)

Cockeye

11-08-2005, 19:09

John also has just been helping me with my excessive lag. You all think yours are bad? try 56k speed from a 1 meg adsl connection.

Won't play any games tonight, I think mine is the way I have it connected. Will reconfigure it all tomorrow, and then retest the speed.

Thanks John - your a star! Sorry i had to rush, but the g/f doesn't understand the importance of lag! ;)

john316

11-08-2005, 20:49

For those who sometimes struggle with their connection, always start your investigations here:

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

That exposed *******'s problem immediately and found Bigjonny's connection to be a slightly lacking in the upload department and it made it easier for me to try and diagnose his issues.

Matt.Wild

11-08-2005, 21:07

My results if it helps:-

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=5b55894f105a75c93cd5b55894f

john316

11-08-2005, 21:17

My results if it helps:-

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=5b55894f105a75c93cd5b55894f

Looks a good result for a 1mb line - if BigJonny's next few client games go well, then I'll do the same little fix for your connection via DrTCP. It can help to smooth out connections for ADSL and Cable customers and might make your clienting experience a bit more enjoyable :D

Matt.Wild

11-08-2005, 21:51

Good stuff :D

The weird thing is before the last couple of weeks I never had it like I do now, which is a bit weird. Nothing added to the PC either? Never mind :D

bigjonnyauk

11-08-2005, 22:00

same as me matt i only started getting bad a couple of weeks ago funnily nough since the new winning eleven came out lol

Cockeye

11-08-2005, 22:01

Been trying to connect my xbox live allnight which has exposed another problem with my connection. It keeps dropping out! :(

When i spoke to XBox live guy, he said we don't support talk talk 'cause they are crap!

Great, i thought! :(

bigjonnyauk

11-08-2005, 22:01

does ntl give low upstreams or something then mine is less than matts but my connection is double what he has

john316

12-08-2005, 07:27

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 08:29

A couple of days but i am convinced that it is caused again by my setup, as I have interference on my telephone which disappears whn my PC is turned off. I am convinced I just need to buy that lead.

Will do so, and rerun the test in about an hour. Will post a link to the updated test here so you can give me your comments if you don't mind, John! Will also ping a few sites and give the results.

I do really appreciate your advice and help. The true spirit of the forums!

john316

12-08-2005, 08:52

No probs mate - in work at the moment till 'bout 2.30pm but I'll have a look at your Speedtest results and I'll see what advice I can give you when you post it. If you're around later, then we'll try and see if there are other things we can check.

Are you going to try that suggestion of pulling all Phone Devices out and just leave your ADSL Filter plus your ADSL phone cable in as a test?

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 09:17

hey john played a gouple of games as client last night and while i was still getting a tiny bit of lag i think this is just the norm

played matt who i had a terrible connection with the night before and it was a 1000 times better

lets hope this has solved the prob now and i hvent just hit lucky 3 times lol

might try and put res back to 1280x1024 and try that out again

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 09:25

I will try that, yes john. First though, I have bought an ADSL extender so that my modem is plugged directly into the socket.

Initial results not good. Ping of 55ms! :(

Just about to run the diagnostic then ring Talk Talk.

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 09:35

Well, although the ping is not good, my phone line has now got no interference (it was AWFUL before!)

And here (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=fe1005c3105aa033ded9c18e5fa) are the results of my new test.

They are OK, aren't they?

EDIT : Downstream is good, but upstream is awful!

EDIT again! ;)

Just spoken to talk Talk. Was well impressed. He said that my upload was not good, and needs to be rectified. He has told me to run the test at various times over the next three days and ring him on Monday with the results so they can see if there is a pattern.........

Very helpful guy. Told him what XBox Live said. he just laughed!

john316

12-08-2005, 09:47

Upload is not that bad TBH - max it can hit is about 260kbps so around 200kbps should be okay. Definately looks more positive though the pings don't sound brilliant - try pinging a few more websites like the BBC, DVDForums etc and see if the results for those sites improve.

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 09:58

Averages

The DVD Forums 138ms

Google.com 61ms

Google.co.uk 62

BBC 35ms

Interesting! :)

john316

12-08-2005, 10:13

Certainly is - have the Forums shifted their servers to Alaska or something? :D

Its definately worth trying some games now - I'd be surprised if the lag is anywhere near as bad as yesterday. It might be slightly off with those inconsistent pings but we can have a look once you've played a game or two as Host.

Tob

12-08-2005, 12:30

I haven't played league home game as my opponents always seem to have lag. I run antivirus and spywear checkers regularly and don't have anything else running. Is Bulldogs upload crappy? Any tips?

I always get latency and lag when playing other peeps but don't really care (although I feel pretty sea sick after a few games). Partly why I think the PS2 version pees all over the PC version from a great height.

What equipment do you use? Bulldog 8mb service (usually get 6.7mb), the freebie modem you get with it.
What length cable do you use to connect to your BB about 2 metres
What AV do you use? AVG
What firewall do you use? Windows XP (turned off during games)
Which Wolf patch did you install? None
What resolution do you run the game at? Lowest possible in half screen
What gamepad do you use to play the game with? PS2

john316

12-08-2005, 13:19

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 13:24

im sure tob has a old geforce 2

man 8meg he should be flying with that surley

considering lag was never mentioned and since it started to creep into posts bolch was gonna punish people its amazing how busy this thread is becoming considering no one gets it

should have set this post up ages ago

john316

12-08-2005, 13:31

Geforce 2? :gag:

Tob, buy a new GFX man! :D

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 13:31

Nobody gets it, just you moan enough to make up for it, hence the length of the thread...

john316

12-08-2005, 13:38

:lol:

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 13:40

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 13:41

Ran a speed test on my mates 8mb bulldog line earlier to compare with mine. He was getting about 6.7meg downstream, and about 512kps upstream.

John, if you can message me a time when you are on, we'll try and get a game tonight and see what happens.

john316

12-08-2005, 13:44

I think Bulldog's upload is higher than standard ADSL so his sounds fine for I assume an 8mb Bulldog connection.

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 13:56

lou this is a thread to help members sort out any issues

it was made because their was to many lag issues in the comp threads

we all know your veiws that lag dosent exist and everybody has a rubbish connection and you always play client

well done 5 stars for you now unless you are here to help or are having lag problems yourself

please stay off this thread with your comments :razz:

:lol:

I never said lag doesn't exist, just that it is simple to clear up.

a) Get a proper ISP
b) Learn how to identify tasks utilising your bandwith
c) Stop whinging

Fact is, we managed to have a good few seasons without anyone complaining about lag, but since the league has expanded, so has the moaning, which is exactly the reason I don't bother hosting any more...I can do without the hassle, and people blaming it when they lose.

belly

12-08-2005, 14:08

a) Get a proper ISP

oh the idea of having a choice of ISP. makes me weep.

Bolch

12-08-2005, 14:11

considering lag was never mentioned and since it started to creep into posts bolch was gonna punish people its amazing how busy this thread is becoming considering no one gets it

should have set this post up ages ago

Number of posts in this thread so far....

john316 15 (Helping others solve lag)
******* 9
bigjonnyauk 7
daz_75 6 (Rarely gets lag, and isn't much of an issue when he gets it)
Matt.Wild 5
LouBarlow 4 (Moans about people moaning about lag)
Bolch 2 (Threatens to punish people talking about lag)
belly 2 (doesn't get lag and questions where it came from)
Tob 1
gunner 1 (Gets it but didn't seem too bothered)
Hawaiian Floyd 1 (Answering Daz's banter)

Which leaves bigjonny, matt.wild, tob and ******* who have issues with lag.

All of which joined in season 3 when the league expanded to 4 divisions :suspect:

:dork:

EDIT - The only person I know of with Major lag issues was Charlie Angel. It didn't matter who he played he got teleporting and everyone tried sorting his connection out but it didn't do anything and he sold the game in the first season as it was that bad.

Tob

12-08-2005, 14:20

Run the ADSLGuide Speedtest (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp) and post the link here.

Nobody should ever be getting lag off you and vice versa unless you have a problem somewhere. What GFX card do you use BTW as I'm a little worried why you are having to run it in 640x480 in a window?

Cheers for your help John, I'll do that tonight. I have a Dell Dimension 3000 so only have PCI slot, hence my turdy graphics card!

I play most of my matches as client and couldn't give two hoots about lag or latency issues whilst playing (all part of the 'PC experience' in my book), but would be nice to know why - could it be my rubbish graphics card? Don't see how that might effect people getting lag when I host though

john316

12-08-2005, 14:40

Cheers for your help John, I'll do that tonight. I have a Dell Dimension 3000 so only have PCI slot, hence my turdy graphics card!

I play most of my matches as client and couldn't give two hoots about lag or latency issues whilst playing (all part of the 'PC experience' in my book), but would be nice to know why - could it be my rubbish graphics card? Don't see how that might effect people getting lag when I host though

I see - I believe Bolchy had the same problem with his Dimension 3000 :D

Does it ever 'lag' during Hosting or playing Single Player? Just thinking it might not be lag but just the PC itself struggling :D

Tob

12-08-2005, 14:44

I see - I believe Bolchy had the same problem with his Dimension 3000 :D

Does it ever 'lag' during Hosting or playing Single Player? Just thinking it might not be lag but just the PC itself struggling :D

Yes, when I host people complain about lag and I just play the 'home' leg as client. If I play single player, it is fine, very smooth and no probs.

Bolch

12-08-2005, 14:45

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 14:50

Computer power (or lack of) definitely affects lag, as I was playing someone (think it was ricflair) and he had some errant task causing his CPU workload to be at 100% and it was slowing down my game to 1/2 a frame a second.

One reboot later and problem was solved.

Tob

12-08-2005, 14:50

Yeah I had a 3000 with a Geforce 5200 which was apparently the fastest PCI card available. I found it unplayable and palmed the 3000 off on our kid and used the cash to buy a 5000 which when loaded with my 6600GT makes me do a sex wee.

:D Wish I could do the same but it is the only game I play on my PC so can't really justify it.

john316

12-08-2005, 14:51

Yeah I had a 3000 with a Geforce 5200 which was apparently the fastest PCI card available. I found it unplayable and palmed the 3000 off on our kid and used the cash to buy a 5000 which when loaded with my 6600GT makes me do a sex wee.

I know the Geforce 5200 is superior to the Geforce 2 by some margin but did anyone suffer lag when you hosted Bolch?

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 16:14

Well, in my defence.

If you don't want to talk about lag, then don't enter the topic.

At the end of the day, am i correct in thinking that lag only affects the client? (i.e. the away player)?

I am trying to make my setup as good as it can be for my opponents playing at my ground, so that the matches are as fair and as balanced as possible (whilst not forgetting that the primary element is fun).

Sorry if that upsets anyone! :?:

john316

12-08-2005, 16:45

Your case is a definite 'lag-based' problem - Barlow is talking more about general 'PES 4' clienting issues where people use it as an excuse why they lost more than just admitting they were beaten by a superior side.

Bolch

12-08-2005, 16:48

Tob: Same here :dork:

John: Don't think I actually tried it online tbh

*******: No one's having a go at you mate. By the sounds of it you have clear problems with lag and that's what this thread is for. Lag just gets used by an excuse though for losing sometimes and it does get a little boring. Especially when you'd get comments like "You had a 12th member on the pitch - lag". It takes away the sense of victory which is something I'm trying to push away from the competition threads. But yes lag only effects the client

Everyone reading this thread: If lag is bad enough to stop a match then stop it. If you don't stop it then don't ever mention it on msn, the thread, after the match with f10 or anything.

john316

12-08-2005, 16:51

John: Don't think I actually tried it online tbh

Cheers

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 16:52

Everyone reading this thread: If lag is bad enough to stop a match then stop it. If you don't stop it then don't ever mention it on msn, the thread, after the match with f10 or anything. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

didnt know you had know become the head man for msn and the pro evo f10 button :eek: thats made my day :clap:

Bolch

12-08-2005, 16:56

Do whatever you want jonny, I just don't think it's sportsman like.

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 16:59

Ideally it would be nice if people could let their opponent know before a goal goes in...rather than after they've lost the game... ... .. .

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 17:01

Cockeye

12-08-2005, 17:09

Sorry, didn't want to come across as precious. You have a great community here, with a lot of helpful people.

And i need to devlop attitude over lag, because I certainly wont be able to develop it over my skill! ;)

LouBarlow

12-08-2005, 17:09

I'm only kidding - good to have you here ;)

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 17:38

bolch mate im only pulling ya leg

in my defence i always stick my hand up with a minute or 2 of game starting

but anyways i think john has solved my prob

so stop nagging about lag either get a good computer or good net connection

and stop clogging up this thread :D

Tob

12-08-2005, 17:42

I ran the speed test and got this...

Downstream 3033 Kbps (379.1 KB/sec) 3275 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 484 Kbps (60.5 KB/sec) 522 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Presumably this means my graphics card is pathetic! :lol:

bigjonnyauk

12-08-2005, 17:47

man tob i think you can safley say there your net connection isnt the prob lol

i would try and pick up a new gfx card mate

john316

12-08-2005, 17:47

That looks more than fine - GFX card is certainly looking the prime suspect. Even a move 'up' to a Geforce FX5200 will be a nice upgrade from the Geforce 2MX and only cost about £30 or so :D

Tob

12-08-2005, 17:53

Cheers fellas, might just do that. I don't really mind playing all my games as client though - makes it even more satisfying when I win.

brendonw

13-08-2005, 07:40

Being a relative newcomer (2 and a bit seasons) I have never known some many issues with the 'L' word :)

Did a speed test myself and got similar to Matts

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=209504df105aec26fd58cac3d67

Having done some work for people with DSL lines, in 2 cases I have found that these speed regrades have caused issues. i.e. line upgraded from 512kb to 1mb or 1mb to 2mb. A lot of these are done without proper testing especially BT/AOL. So theoretically the line should support the higher speeds but in reality it may be touch and go or some changes may need to may made - e.g. Modem connected to master socket and filter added internally to the socket.

None of them really did online gaming but got synch issues with the exchange, web pages not loading and certain service such as MSN not working.

Just my 2p worth.

LouBarlow

13-08-2005, 07:47

I managed to upload files at 20k/sec, and cap my downloads to 50-100k/sec, and still play PES lag-free against someone on the launcher :lol:

No more pausing my porn downloads! :dork: :clap:

bigjonnyauk

13-08-2005, 19:06

not sure if anyone wants to give this a go i got it from another forum im on where they have a help section

16) It seems that Windows XP users are getting conned out of their bandwidth, approximately 20% of your bandwidth is reserved. This is only for those users using broadband connections (DSL/Cable). This little tutorial will show you how to disable it.

First, you'll need to log off and log back in on your "Administrator" account. If Administrator is not available at the welcome screen, hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and manually type it in. Now goto your start menu and click "Run".

Now you should be in the run dialogue box, type in gpedit.msc and hit enter.

That brings up the "Group Policy" editor. You should see 6 folders on the left, under Computer Configuration goto Administrative Templates, then Network, then QoS Packet Scheduler.

Now look to the right, you should see several options, among them should be "Limit reservable bandwidth", right click on it and hit Properties.

Up comes the Properties dialogue box, now change the selection from "Not Configured" to "Enabled", then go down to where it says "Bandwidth limit (%):" and change the value in that box to zero. Hit "Apply" and you're all done, you just have to restart the computer.

bigjonnyauk

13-08-2005, 19:10

just done speed test on the above not a great deal of difference but

downstream gone up to 2000 from 1925

upload from 186 to 201

finlab

14-08-2005, 16:45

which forum is this from and what is it reserved for?

Cockeye

15-08-2005, 23:37

John, I need help please!

My lag when hosting is apparently really bad (it varies when I am playing away from perfect to terrible but I never mention it).

It is getting to the stage where people don't want to play me at home, and I can understand why. Had several pull out on me..........

Need to get this fixed, or I'll have to pull out of the league at the end of this season before really starting. :(

john316

16-08-2005, 07:49

Try running five Speedtests over say a 15/20 min period and see what results come back. If its inconsistent, then I highly suggest getting on the phone to Talk Talk and demand that they send an engineer to check our your line at your house and at the exchange. You do get unfortunately quite a few ballsed up ADSL installations at exchanges that make your connection very unreliable.

What spec is your PC BTW?

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 08:40

Will start doing the speedtests now, here is my first result:

Tuesday Morning, 9:38am (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=ed7fab36105be7020b789d43c11)

9:44am (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=a68b34a0105be7559624ac1660a)

9:49am (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedchart.asp?id=2238f1af105be7a083cec3d8b08)

My PC Spec is as follows:

Pentium 4 3.20Ghz
512Mb DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 9600 (256mb)

john316

16-08-2005, 08:47

Looks fine so far - have you run any spyware scans recently? If not, run one and see if it picks up anything.

Matt.Wild

16-08-2005, 08:56

I must admit when I’ve played him the games have been really glitchy, almost like xbox games get with a slightly bad link. Most people find my connection nice and smooth (indeed Kronik commented on how smooth a connection we had yesterday on the Xbox league when I hosted). Spyware could be the culprit indeed :eek:

daz_75

16-08-2005, 09:43

ive started to get more of this, even got it against bolch last night and ive played loads of times against him with no probs. Nothings changed on my PC :shrug:

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 10:47

Adaware is the one I've used before. I have been looking for ages for a free copy again (on Lavasoft it is only for sale now). Finally found a free copy, but it is currently refusing to collect the latest updates!

john316

16-08-2005, 10:51

MS Antispyware is my preferred defence now - finds more than the others in my experience.

richdmx

16-08-2005, 11:26

Spyware was SoundStyles problem as well and he has fixed that now by removing them...

Art Vanderlay

16-08-2005, 11:38

I usually find a combination of Ad-aware and Spybot Search and Destroy does the trick

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 12:09

Well, I ran adaware with the un updated definitions and it removed 100 critical objects. Then played trigger at home.

First game was abandoned as the lag was still unplayable! :(

Then I realised my anti virus was still running. We tried again, and he said the lag was still worst than anyone else but was better than the first time and playable (just).

Any other suggstions on what i could do?

finlab

16-08-2005, 12:19

Did you run a spyware program? I use adaware but also have to use spybot search and destroy

john316

16-08-2005, 12:35

Did you reboot after running the Adware scan? If not, reboot and re-run the Adware as well just in case anything has respawned (reason I prefer the MS Antispyware as it does a better job of preventing the spyware from just reinstalling)

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 12:46

have you got a link to the ms antispy ware john? i do appreciate this.

Will rerun adaware now as I didn't reboot. i did wonder about that!

brendonw

16-08-2005, 12:57

Here is the download link :-

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

:)

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 13:01

OK, reran adaware with the latest definitions, and found ten crits. Removed them, rebooted and now rescanning. This time, found 6 negligable objects.

Thanks for the link Brendan, will use that later!

brendonw

16-08-2005, 13:06

np :)

(I'll sort Trigger's router later so you can play the return!)

daz_75

16-08-2005, 13:09

Did you run a spyware program? I use adaware but also have to use spybot search and destroy

i thought spybot wasn't kept up to date anymore, so it doesn't detect any new spayware problems???

Cockeye

16-08-2005, 22:03

First Lag free Hosting!!!!!!!!

finlab

17-08-2005, 07:41

i thought spybot wasn't kept up to date anymore, so it doesn't detect any new spayware problems???

I ran it last night and it downloaded updated definitions.

daz_75

17-08-2005, 09:04

I ran it last night and it downloaded updated definitions.

i ran it last night too, didn't have any updates though, and it's been ages since i ran it

john316

17-08-2005, 09:11

First Lag free Hosting!!!!!!!!

Which program do you think sorted it?

Cockeye

18-08-2005, 16:53

Going to install the new version of Norton Internet Security tomorrow which includes what is supposedly a very effective spyware solution. Will report back on its effectiveness.

LouBarlow

18-08-2005, 17:54

Have you not got the regular adsl modem provided by your isp?

I found playing with a router very laggy, but switching to a normal USB modem fine.

Cockeye

18-08-2005, 19:39

Yes, it is the standard ADSL modem as provided by my isp.

I have ordered a router so I can get my xbox online, but it hasn't arrived yet.

As someone on the other thread said, I had a totally lag free smooth connection Tuesday night, then on Wednesday I had a half time complaint, and then someone pulling out on me half way through the second half when I was hosting.

There was a little bit of adware crept back on my machine, but not that much.

Will run a full system scan when I install Norton tomorrow.

But is there really such a thing as a lag free connection for the whole game??????

I played an away leg last night and at times it was smooth, but for the majority of the game it was the worst I had experienced. But I didn't mention it - just got on with it! :(

steviep922

18-08-2005, 19:55

I'm not telling porkies when i said your hosting was lag free on tuesday.

And nobody should pull out of a game halfway through the second half of a match. :nono:

Bolch

18-08-2005, 20:01

And nobody should pull out of a game halfway through the second half of a match. :nono:

Agreed, name and shame :mad:

Matt.Wild

18-08-2005, 20:04

Have you not got the regular adsl modem provided by your isp?

I found playing with a router very laggy, but switching to a normal USB modem fine.

Ditto with this :)

LouBarlow

18-08-2005, 20:40

*******, it might well be that the guy on the 2nd evening was a little more fussy - the game *never* plays as smooth when clienting, as it does when hosting, and I've played guys with double the normal upload quotient, but some moan about it and others don't.

My SL games tonight vs fsheehan are an example - I had that mental teleportation lag problem, but I had it also in the game I won, so moaning about it would just have been taking the **** - especially as I had porn downloading at the same time too :lol:

Cockeye

18-08-2005, 21:08

Well, the last thing I want to do (especially as a newbie) is start throwing names around like a child throwing his toys out of his pram.

The guy who pulled out last night may well have found it got worse as the game went on. That is at least what he told me and who am I to disagree?

After all, i don't think there is one player here who hasn't had severe lag off me on one occasion or the other.

I'm hoping to host a match or two tonight to see how it goes.

As I said earlier, I sometimes have terrible lag when playing others. Playing babyjonny last night, the lag ranged from bearable to downright awful. I do not feel i am being a bad loser when I say my huge loss was partly down to lag. He still would have thrashed me (because the little blighter is damned good! :)) but there probably would have been less goals.......

But the way I look at it is, it happens occasionally, it might have been my PC anyway, and there is no way i am going to complain about it.

Besides I had lag advantage at home, couldn't beat him, so deserved everything I got.

It does seem, however, that it is far more of an issue in this online community than in others I've been involved in. Maybe, however, it is due to the nature of PES4. In a driving game, you see others flicker around but it brarely affects you directly. In this game, you get lag, you are pretty much ******!

I am going to keep working on it, and if I do get it fixed i will play next season - but I wont if I dont get it fixed in the next few days because frankly it's not worth the hassle.

john316

18-08-2005, 21:19

I have a few people in mind who it could be but I won't name them ;)

Cockeye

18-08-2005, 21:32

John, no disrespect - but if people are going to start playing guessing games I'll just delete the post. I don't want to cause any trouble here....just stating facts.

I bear no malice to him (even if I did a bit last night).......

Cockeye

19-08-2005, 21:01

Well, interestingly I seem to get some persistent adware that just keeps coming back. If i run adaware before a match it seems to be ok.....

Had a lag free host tonight, and about to try another one......

john316

19-08-2005, 21:11

Did you install the MS Antispyware or are you just using the Adaware? The MS one is far more effective at permanetly ridding your PC of the little sods. Also worth deleting your Temp Internet Files as well just to make double sure.

Cockeye

19-08-2005, 22:05

Just using adaware going to look at the MS one tomorrow - havent had time after trying to get 21 fixtures played in a week! :)

But just had a second lag free host session tonight again jonny - who had real problems with my connection before, so it looks like things may finally be OK.

Certainly feel positive, and have asked to be included next season!

EDIT

Jesus, that MS prog is good.

Straight away it detected my netbios messenger was open and closed it (never did get round to service pack 2), and at this point in time has found two twojans that adaware missed.

lets hope it permanently destroys them.

EDIT 2

It found the pesky little devil that was reinstalling that spyware, anyone who hasnt tried this yet, I recommend it!

Cockeye

22-08-2005, 10:25

Well, I've still been quietly working on this.

My PC is riddled with viruses. :(

Only solution is complete windows reinstall which I am about to start!

Wish me luck, I may be some time! :(

daz_75

22-08-2005, 10:36

good luck mate.

I can recommend the MS spyware software it found a few that nothing else found :thumbs: It's a beta though, just so everyone is aware

Cockeye

22-08-2005, 10:43

It's excellent, the MS prog. As is Avast anti-virus (but AVG is crap!).

Trouble is, the infection is too deep rooted to do anything about with progs. It needs a major registry edit, and I just can't be arsed! :)

It's actually no big deal, except I'm going to have to rebuild my music and porn video collection again! :(

Cockeye

22-08-2005, 23:06

Errrr,forget that last post!

I am really in trouble now! :(

If anyone would care to check out my post in the computing forum! Any advice would be desperately received! :(

gunner

23-08-2005, 06:21

bigjonnyauk

07-10-2005, 13:50

LAG LAG LAG

power to the people lol

LouBarlow

07-10-2005, 13:59

:lol: @ the thread title change

chet-lee

07-10-2005, 15:38

Does anybody know if they've improved the client issues with pes5? Or is it purely down to the connection?

bigjonnyauk

07-10-2005, 15:53

no one knows yet chet mate until its out

@bolch u could at least spell my name right

john316

07-10-2005, 16:14

Does anybody know if they've improved the client issues with pes5? Or is it purely down to the connection?

Part of me hopes they don't - I've grown to like the Home/Away variances that the current system has thrown up :dork:

brendonw

07-10-2005, 16:15

isnt when your name has no H in it that its the suspect version ?

;)

:lol:

Bolch

07-10-2005, 18:10

@bolch u could at least spell my name right

It's rare someone spells my name right so I'm going to screw with everyone elses now :D

Cockeye

07-10-2005, 18:17

Gonna throw in my two pennies worth now.

get lag with every client game I've ever played part from one person where it is as smooth as my g/f's pudenda.

However, there are two people where I find it always worse than others, and I have to say without being annoying, Jonny, that yours is actually one of those........even when you have remembered to turn the firewall off! ;)

bigjonnyauk

07-10-2005, 18:29

well what else can i do

and bolch i cant get your name right as forums dont allow swearing

john316

07-10-2005, 18:38

There is nothing so wrong with Bigjonny's connection that makes the game unplayable on Client. His connection isn't the very best you'll encounter but if anyone sees it as a reason why they lost on client, then they are just kidding themselves with 'Fergie' like excuses. Now if your connection isn't 100% itself, then perhaps you'll have 1-2 more issues to contend with - but I can't forsee how it can get so bad that it's actually ruining the game for you ;)

LouBarlow

07-10-2005, 18:45

Gonna throw in my two pennies worth now.

get lag with every client game I've ever played part from one person where it is as smooth as my g/f's pudenda.
;)

Then your connection is the problem surely?

You like a smooth punani? :suspect:

Cockeye

07-10-2005, 19:42

Well, one would presume it is my connection, apart from the fact that I don't get it with everyone.

Can you honestly say, Lou, that you NEVER get Lag with anyone?

And as for Johnny's connection, it certainly is NOT unplayable. Maybe I wasn't so clear on that.

And surely, this is why we play home and away legs???

Cockeye

07-10-2005, 19:43

Then your connection is the problem surely?

You like a smooth punani? :suspect:

You like a really hairy one? :eek: :suspect:

LouBarlow

07-10-2005, 20:32

Depends what you mean by lag really - I get the occasional stutter, but button presses occur pretty speedily, though admittedly not as instantly as when hosting - I guess as I had to client a lot of games for a while, I just got used to it.

LouBarlow

07-10-2005, 20:32

You like a really hairy one? :eek: :suspect:

yes.

Cockeye

07-10-2005, 21:15

Doesn't it get in your teeth?

LouBarlow

07-10-2005, 21:21

Yes but at least then I know I'm legal - had a few too many close calls...

Ono

07-10-2005, 21:34

:lol:

Matt.Wild

08-10-2005, 13:08

This is the kinda lag that I sometimes get against people:

www.aqvn86.dsl.pipex.com/pes.wmv

Gotta admit that its really hard to defend when its like that :D

john316

08-10-2005, 13:20

Now that's proper lag :D

LouBarlow

08-10-2005, 13:45

Yup I never get that, apart from when people leave their donkey-porn downloading while hosting.

That's unplayable imho...

bigjonnyauk

08-10-2005, 14:28

mmmmmmmmmmmm looking at that the name bigboy and team borrusia dortmund i think tht could be me matt from my early season 3 days

im sure its not that bad now john helped me again and i played ******* who slated my connection but after we played and he beat me 3-0 he said was best connection he ever had lol yeah i bet it was couldnt speak to him for to long as he was jumping with joy and wouldnt have a rematch lol

Cockeye

08-10-2005, 14:48

You know it!

First time I've ever beaten you! I'm never playing you again! :)

And it was smooth.

john316

08-10-2005, 14:52

I bet Real vs Real was a real exciting affair :(

bigjonnyauk

08-10-2005, 14:54

not jelous are ya jon cuz i gave you the runaround yesterday i felt quite guilty

you helped me set up my connection and i ran rings rouns team valenthia lol

nah all was close games like you said anyone can beat anyone

john316

08-10-2005, 14:58

Seem to remember Mr Wild thinking he had me licked in friendly action ;)

Bring it on in League Action to see who the big dog is out of Valencia and Real :D

Matt.Wild

08-10-2005, 15:40