View Full Version : 9800 Pro all in wonder for £88 is back !!
Not sure why this thread was closed today. TCS said site down for past two days but I managed to order mine yesterday morning from order247.co.uk and it arrived today! Seems like a fantastic deal - will let you know my thoughts on the card when I have fired her up !! :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbs:
Lee Brown
07-06-2005, 11:22
Looks like the url in the original offer has been changed, it's now :
http://www.order-247.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?number=10268371
i have installed the card everything is working great cant wait to try halflife 2 on this :notworthy will tryout tv tuner part later :doh:
but so far so good :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
We're sorry. Our store is temporarily closed.
:suspect:
Lee Brown
08-06-2005, 16:48
Looks like the url in the original offer has been changed, it's now :
http://shop1.mailordercentral.com/order247/prodinfo.asp?number=10268371
And they've moved it again :
http://www.order-247.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?number=10268371
all set up now tv function works a treat i will never miss a thing now, performance is great has given my games a whole new lease of life, this is one hell of a bargin im so glad i saw this forum and the link to order 24/7 my first online purchase has been a real success, i got the item i wanted, Quickly and it works a treat. Thanks to you guys on the forums, and order 24/7 for a great product at a superb price :clap: :clap: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Mr Bigglesworth
10-06-2005, 10:19
Going to be a silly question, but I have a XFX Geforce 4200 is this going to be tonnes better - I don't play that many games any more but I kind of want it as its got the TV tuner built it and was going to buy one of those anyway.
Can you record from sky digital?
Going to be a silly question, but I have a XFX Geforce 4200 is this going to be tonnes better - I don't play that many games any more but I kind of want it as its got the TV tuner built it and was going to buy one of those anyway.
Miles better for sure - well worth the upgrade :thumbs:
budgie55
10-06-2005, 11:17
how about a GF4 Ti 4600 128mb ?
yep will blow it out the water and you get the TV too! bonus
davebinnie
10-06-2005, 11:54
Your supposed to be working budgie!!! :nono:
Get back to your compliance monitoring!!! :lol:
IAmATeaf
10-06-2005, 12:32
What make of card is this then or is it just pot luck as to which brand you get?
mine was a powercolour branded card but i belive there is no difference between brands :thumbs:
Just a couple of numpty questions before I order.....
Is this an AGP card as it doesn't actually say?
Does it have both 'standard' 15pin d connector and DVI outputs for dual monitors, or just DVI, as the image on the site seems to just show a DVI output and I don't have a TFT screen (I have a Samsung SyncMaster 900IFT 19" CRT).
Just a couple of numpty questions before I order.....
Is this an AGP card as it doesn't actually say?
Does it have both 'standard' 15pin d connector and DVI outputs for dual monitors, or just DVI, as the image on the site seems to just show a DVI output and I don't have a TFT screen (I have a Samsung SyncMaster 900IFT 19" CRT).
Managed to download the manual in PDF, so I can answer my own questions!
It is AGP, and it only supports a single monitor, but that can be either DVI or VGA (using a supplied convertor).
Can you record from sky digital?
Anyone ?
im sure its possible ill have a look for you
budgie55
10-06-2005, 16:09
Your supposed to be working budgie!!! :nono:
Get back to your compliance monitoring!!! :lol:
:wave: so are you dave :razz: now get back to stopping people hacking our firewall. pffttt these IT folk :dork: :lol:
Can you record from sky digital?
Yes, you have to use the AV input on the card on the breakout box to do this
as dean said using the av breakout box you are able to record from sky digital, this card just get better and better :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
This looks like a great deal! But just before I order, will this graphics card work as a TV Tuner with Windows XP Media Center?
Thanks,
Nujjy.
Sounds like a good card.
Just seen they have a 42" Plasma TV on there for £899.Seems cheap.
unreality
14-06-2005, 04:20
Will this card run Battlefield 2 in high? Or is it more of a low-mid range card?
Will this card run Battlefield 2 in high? Or is it more of a low-mid range card?
I can run it on max detail on 1024x768 and its very smooth indeed (Athlon 2500/1.5gb ram/Audigy 2)
I have the demo of BF2 running 1280x1024 on a mix of maximum & medium settings very smoothly ... and thats only on an Athlon 2400/768Mb Ram/Audigy 2.
Anthony.S
14-06-2005, 10:01
This looks like a great deal! But just before I order, will this graphics card work as a TV Tuner with Windows XP Media Center?
Thanks,
Nujjy.
The catalyst 5.6 drivers now offer full support for the AIW in XP MCE. :clap:
I'm running the BF2 demo with graphics settings on high with a good frame rate.
PC Spec in sig.
Lagerlout
14-06-2005, 10:08
The catalyst 5.6 drivers now offer full support for the AIW in XP MCE. :clap:
Excellent, still got a 9800SE AIW from the other year I'm putting into a media center.
The catalyst 5.6 drivers now offer full support for the AIW in XP MCE. :clap:
:eek: :eek: :eek: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Excellent! Time for me to get one of these then :D
EDIT: Where did you read this as there are no AIW cards listed on the ATI website as being MCE compatible???
billposters
14-06-2005, 10:27
:eek: :eek: :eek: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Excellent! Time for me to get one of these then :D
Ditto. Thanks to OP
The catalyst 5.6 drivers now offer full support for the AIW in XP MCE. :clap:
I'm running the BF2 demo with graphics settings on high with a good frame rate.
PC Spec in sig.
You couldn't have said this at a better time. I was just about to order this, but no-one had replied to whether this was compatible with Windows Media Center, so I was not sure whether to proceed or not. As soon as I read your reply, I bought it!
Thanks very, very much! :notworthy
Nujjy.
The catalyst 5.6 drivers now offer full support for the AIW in XP MCE. :clap:
Where did you read this as there are no AIW cards listed on the ATI website as being MCE compatible???
Very tempting to upgrade my 9700pro with a seperate winfast tvtuner/video card, to this 9800...... Not sure if I can justify it though as my 9700 pro seems to perform very well in all the games i throw at it.
Where did you read this as there are no AIW cards listed on the ATI website as being MCE compatible???
The website here (http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/mcesolutions) states the cards compatible with Windows Media Center Edition 2005.
And this link (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1154) provides the drivers for Radeon Cards for WMC 2005.
The website here (http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/mcesolutions) states the cards compatible with Windows Media Center Edition 2005.
And this link (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1154) provides the drivers for Radeon Cards for WMC 2005.
Your first link says 9800 etc.. there are no AIW cards listed there.
This is a quote from the 5.6 release notes:
Operating systems supported
The latest version of the Catalyst™ software suite is designed to support the following Microsoft Windows platforms:
* Windows XP
* Windows 2000
* Windows Media Center Edition (graphics driver support only)
Which by my reckoning means that the TV Tuner part of the AIW card is still not supported.
It seems that people who have tried to use these drivers still are not getting full functionality:
http://www.xpmce.com/forum/ftopic93609-0.html
Your first link says 9800 etc.. there are no AIW cards listed there.
It seems that people who have tried to use these drivers still are not getting full functionality:
http://www.xpmce.com/forum/ftopic93609-0.html
Whoops, looks like I made a mistake there. But on the same forum, someone appears to have fixed it. Look at the 2nd post on this thread: Link (http://www.xpmce.com/forum/ftopic78447-570.html)
On second looks, the Radeon All-in-Wonder cards do not work in Windows Media Center Edition: Click Here (http://www.ati.com/products/faqs/windowsxpmcefaq.html)
Q7: Is my Radeon VIVO or All-in-Wonder® product supported in Windows XP Media Center Edition?
A7: All-in-Wonder® and VIVO variants are not currently supported under Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.
Yeah, it's possible to get the graphics part of the AIW cards recognised in MCE but not the TV tuner part.
Lagerlout
14-06-2005, 11:44
So anyone got any alternatives? Isn't MCE just a layer on top of XP? Sure there must be other products out there?
Just gone for this - cheers to OP
d80s0q
I got the AIW tv tuner working in MCE2k5 (9000pro AIW) by using a hacked set of drivers. Apparently the older Cats worked fine and all they needed to do was mix the AIW from the old drivers with the newer video drivers........I think the drivers are called "Krell". If you search the forums at www.thegreenbutton.com or www.xpmce.com I'm sure you'll find them.
Anthony.S
14-06-2005, 14:49
I found the info about the AIW and cat 5.6 HERE (http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/catalyst56/)
Quote from the above site -
I cant tell you how happy I am to have full MCE support for my AIW card, I love MCE 2005 however have not been so keen on the range of TV Tuner cards on the market that are supported by MCE. That’s no longer a problem though and the AIW and MCE work flawlessly together. You can even use the AIW and another tuner in dual tuner config!
I got the AIW tv tuner working in MCE2k5 (9000pro AIW) by using a hacked set of drivers. Apparently the older Cats worked fine and all they needed to do was mix the AIW from the old drivers with the newer video drivers........I think the drivers are called "Krell". If you search the forums at www.thegreenbutton.com or www.xpmce.com I'm sure you'll find them.
I thought the hacked drivers were called 'Kram'? And these drivers are good as a lot of people have apparently had success with the drivers, but they are very old. I think they range between 4.1 and 4.6. That is several months behind the recently released 5.6 Catalyst Drivers.
I found the info about the AIW and cat 5.6 HERE
Quote from the above site -
I cant tell you how happy I am to have full MCE support for my AIW card, I love MCE 2005 however have not been so keen on the range of TV Tuner cards on the market that are supported by MCE. That’s no longer a problem though and the AIW and MCE work flawlessly together. You can even use the AIW and another tuner in dual tuner config!
I should be receiving my graphics card and copy of Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 tomorrow. I will report back by the end of this week, hopefully with good news. Stay tuned! :)
I thought the hacked drivers were called 'Kram'? And these drivers are good as a lot of people have apparently had success with the drivers, but they are very old. I think they range between 4.1 and 4.6. That is several months behind the recently released 5.6 Catalyst Drivers.
KRAM!
They're the ones! The video element on them is old, but this can be updated using any newer drivers. It's the AIW multimedia part of the drivers that is needed for the TV tuner......having said that, the gfx accelerator element isn't really a big deal to me with my old card.
What I want to know though, is can the new AIW drivers be used in conjunction with my Freeview card to give me twin tuner? ie freeview and terrestial?
I have a dual monitor setup just now ids there anyway i can use this and still have two monitors?
Anthony.S
15-06-2005, 10:14
I have a dual monitor setup just now ids there anyway i can use this and still have two monitors?
No, unless you use a PCI card. You'd be better off with the 9800 pro on overclockers. It's on special this week for £82 inc.
Just a quick update:
I received my AIW 9800 card today (very quick service! :clap: ). The drivers and applications are loading, and boy are there a lot of them!
Unfortunately, I did not get my Windows Media Center edition disc today, so like I said earlier, I will report back by the end of the week.
Just a reminder to anyone about to order one, it shares its power supply with the hard drive and so some old computers may not be able to handle it. I don't know how old is old, but I have just plugged the card into a Dell Dimension 8200 (just under 4 years old), and am glad it's working in here, so this is a warning to anyone buying this for a computer over 4-5 years old that it may not work due to an insuffcient power supply.
Nujjy.
have just downloaded BF2 from fileplanet and this card is running it very smoothly no frame loss at all at 1024x768 in max setting man i love this game as much as this card :clap: :clap: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
raymondlin
16-06-2005, 10:37
Just a quick update:
I received my AIW 9800 card today (very quick service! :clap: ). The drivers and applications are loading, and boy are there a lot of them!
Unfortunately, I did not get my Windows Media Center edition disc today, so like I said earlier, I will report back by the end of the week.
Just a reminder to anyone about to order one, it shares its power supply with the hard drive and so some old computers may not be able to handle it. I don't know how old is old, but I have just plugged the card into a Dell Dimension 8200 (just under 4 years old), and am glad it's working in here, so this is a warning to anyone buying this for a computer over 4-5 years old that it may not work due to an insuffcient power supply.
Nujjy.
you don't have to share if you have a spare connector.
you don't have to share if you have a spare connector.
Ah, OK. Didn't know that. It's just that the instructions told me to... I mean what instructions? :suspect:
S1LVERBACK
16-06-2005, 11:06
can anyone who has this card tell me if it has both DVI and VGA ports on it please ?
raymondlin
16-06-2005, 11:13
The link http://www.order-247.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?number=10268371
shows that it has DVI out, which with an adaptor, can be a VGA out, thou not both together thou.
S1LVERBACK
16-06-2005, 11:16
cheers that just saved my time :)
does it come with the adapter?
Anthony.S
16-06-2005, 12:04
does it come with the adapter?
Yes
Cheers - gone for one of these. The Sapphire brand equivalent of this card is going for about £195 elsewhere. Now this unbranded one may not perform quite as well but it won't be far off. It comes with remote control kit too plus recorder software to record straight to hard drive and pause live TV.
Good spot OP!
pompeyfan
16-06-2005, 17:45
Very tempted even without the dual-monitor support, but I have a couple of questions:
1. Will this fit and work in an small form factor (shuttle type PC) namely the Biostar IDEQ 210P that was on here the other week?
2. Will there be much improvement over my Sapphire ATi Radeon 9600XT 128Mb fireblade edition card? I'll be running it with 1Gb PC3200 RAM, NForce3 chipset M/B and 250Gb SATA H/D on a 17" TFT @ 1280x1024.
Cheers
will this run most of the games at a high res ?
Taz
Very tempted even without the dual-monitor support, but I have a couple of questions:
1. Will this fit and work in an small form factor (shuttle type PC) namely the Biostar IDEQ 210P that was on here the other week?
2. Will there be much improvement over my Sapphire ATi Radeon 9600XT 128Mb fireblade edition card? I'll be running it with 1Gb PC3200 RAM, NForce3 chipset M/B and 250Gb SATA H/D on a 17" TFT @ 1280x1024.
Cheers
I can't answer directly regarding your Biostar, but I have a Shuttle and it fits in there pretty easily so I would be very surprised if it didn't fit in the Biostar. The heatsink / fan is actually pretty small - certainly much smaller than I was expecting it to be. It's overall thickness is actually less than the XFX GF4 4200 it replaced!
will this run most of the games at a high res ?
Taz
Your modern games will hit about 1280x1024 before you need to start scaling down detail levels to get past that.
I just got everything set up now and I'm pretty happy with the card. I've put it into a Shuttle SN45G (v2). Be warned that my Shuttle's power supply didn't supply enough juice to get it going! My original Shuttle PSU was rated at 200W, so a new purchase of a silentX PSU solved this.
Thanks OP!
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_This_Week_Only_25.html
Cheaper at Overclockers and is retail box version
I got the AIW tv tuner working in MCE2k5 (9000pro AIW) by using a hacked set of drivers. Apparently the older Cats worked fine and all they needed to do was mix the AIW from the old drivers with the newer video drivers........I think the drivers are called "Krell". If you search the forums at www.thegreenbutton.com or www.xpmce.com I'm sure you'll find them.
I'm having real trouble getting them to work in Windows Media Center. Can you link me to the drivers and give me a step by step guide as to how to do the installation, please? :(
Thanks,
Nujjy.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_This_Week_Only_25.html
Cheaper at Overclockers and is retail box version
The price on the Overclockers site doesn't include VAT. Once you add VAT (£13.69) plus an astonishing £8.25 for delivery (the only delivery option you get), it only works out about £3 cheaper.
Its £3 cheaper and is a retail box version dont forget the other is OEM
I'm having real trouble getting them to work in Windows Media Center. Can you link me to the drivers and give me a step by step guide as to how to do the installation, please? :(
Thanks,
Nujjy.
There was a good guide on the forums at www.xpmce.com but I can't get on there at the moment for some reason. However, after doing a google search I found this post by someone called "Roguewarrior", which should help......bear in mind this guy is installing the ATI HDTV tuner as well as the 9800pro AIW, so it won't be exactly the same, but should give you the gist. :thumbs:
After MUCH work (steps below) I have AIW 9800 pro and HDTV Wonder recording at the same TIME!! I can even watch a DVD while they are recording (or a previously recorded show!!) This thing ROCKS!! ATI MMC eats dust now
So steps:
1) Clean install of mce 2005 - while installing it will ask for disk two (insert disk 2). Then it will ask for "Windows XP Professionsal Service Pack2" - this is just disk one of MCE. Follow through the initialization and you are ready for step 2
2) Install MOBO drivers (sound, LAN, etc)
3) Run ALL updates - including mce 2005 rollup, etc. I mean ALL except for drivers (that comes later).
Things like .Net and the sort. Reboot after each install.
4) Now you will either see ? in the device manager for the HDTV wonder or you will not. If you do - unpack the cab file I have attached and use the drivers in the cab file. For each unknown device point the wizard to the unpacked directory and then reboot after all drivers are found.
5) Install the DTV Decoder from ATI's website: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/atiCDwiz4-0.exe It will ask you for the original CD that came with the HDTV Wonder - insert the CD and then follow the instructions. Then reboot.
6) Next get the kram hacked drivers for the AIW card from the following site:
http://www.xpmce.com/forum/ftopic88674.html
7) unpack the zip file and run setup from root directory - then after the setup is complete - Reboot
8) MCE will startup and ask for the drivers - point the wizard at the EHOMEAIW\WDM_XP directory.
9) Point the setup to this directory for all the drivers needed. Now you are good to go (reboot again just to be safe).
10) No more unknown hardware errors should occur and you should be good to go.
11) MAKE sure that the antenna cables are attached.
12) Start up mediacenter and go to settings TV and setup the TV Tuners.
13) You will first configure the AIW and then the HDTV wonder.
Hope that helps some people!
Alec:
1) This will answer question #1
2) You can only reference the AIW tuner and the HDTV tuner on the HDTV Wonder (have not tried to address the analog tuner - but MCE has not given me the option anyway - so I guess no )
3) I use the HDTV wonder remote and the plugin from this web site:
http://remotew.free.fr/plugins.htm#MCE
All the best!
There was a good guide on the forums at www.xpmce.com but I can't get on there at the moment for some reason. However, after doing a google search I found this post by someone called "Roguewarrior", which should help......bear in mind this guy is installing the ATI HDTV tuner as well as the 9800pro AIW, so it won't be exactly the same, but should give you the gist. :thumbs:
Wow! Thanks very much :thumbs: ... but I'd already installed it before you replied :p . I found a much easier installation. This applies from the minute you receive the graphics card, and takes into account that you are doing a brand new install of Windows XP Media Centre Edition 2005:
1.) Install graphics card into PC (fairly straightforwards).
2.) In Windows (any version), install the drivers, software etc. for the graphics card, just to check if the card, remote etc. are working.
3.) Do a fresh install of Windows XP Media Centre Edition 2005, whereby your hard drive is formatted.
4.) Install all drivers, software etc. again for the 9800pro AIW.
5.) Install the hacked 'KRAM' drivers and software.
6.) Install the latest version of ATI Catalyst (version 5.6 at time of typing), to ensure best graphics quality.
7.) Open up Media Center and set up the TV Tuner :)
It took me a long time to install everything (because I have to install anti-virus, wireless adaptors, Office XP etc.), but it was definitely worth it.
I can't wait for the Media Center Extender on the Xbox 360! Roll on November! :clap:
unreality
19-06-2005, 02:29
Its £3 cheaper and is a retail box version dont forget the other is OEM
Good find. Is there any reason not to go for this one rather than the OEM one, now?
is this a really good graphics card? i've got a geforce 4 mx 400, is this better?
raymondlin
19-06-2005, 13:34
is this a really good graphics card? i've got a geforce 4 mx 400, is this better?
compare to the MX400, this is like a lada comepared to a Porsch.
If I was thinking of buying a new AGP graphics card am I right in thinking the likes of a GeForce 6600 GT 128MB (prob around £120) would out perform the 9800Pro in Gaming. However if I wanted the AIW funtionality (TV tuner etc) then this would be a good option an give comparable performance.
Thanks,
Sean
Erm, I placed an order for this earlier this morning. But I have had no e-mail confirmation and I don't seem to be able to log into my account on the site. I can't seem to find a phone number on there either.
0871 222 7222.
Phone that number immediately, if you want it despatched today. When you call them up, tell them you've ordered it but haven't received any e-mail confirmation. They'll take your order number and postcode details.
Due to a mistake on their website, they do not ask you for the 3-digit code on the back of your credit card, which they have to do to verify your order. Once they verify it, all will be well and the card should be with you within 48 hours. :)
Nujjy.
Yeah, I found the number and gave them a ring. Exactly what you said....it was because of my CVV code. Anyway, everything is sorted now and I will have it by Monday.
Cheers
yes i had the same problem with the CVV code but once i gave it them my card arrive the next day, have just checked their website again http://www.order247.co.uk and the card is still available, i have just ordered another on for a friend he was well impressed with the boost this card had given my system
are these cards still avalible as im thinking about buying a few more anyone order one recently :thumbs: :thumbs:
Yup, they're still available at the same price.
Kwazemowdoe
24-07-2005, 09:49
Are there any cards that act as both a Digital/DVB tuner card AND a graphics card , both of which are supported by MCE?
I thought at first the Radeon 9800 AIW card might do this but I see that the tuner is analogue rather than digital
I cannot get TV tuner or comp video, svhs to work properly on mine.
TVtuner outputs sound but thats it :( no pictures at all.
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