View Full Version : Which Next Gen console do you think will rule the west?
Solidstate
25-04-2005, 11:21
As far as UK & USA sales go the current consoles sales were decisive win for PS2, followed by Xbox and then Gamecube.
Whether this result is good or bad is not what I am here to talk about - I don't want to say which machine was/is best - just which one became dominant.
I don’t think that this pattern will be the same in the Next Generation. I think that the Xbox360 will be the sales leader, followed by PS3 and then Revolution.
There are a number of reasons I think Sony won't win this time. Primarily its down to the software. The majority of sales in the UK/USA now come from western games. Halo, GTA, EA Sports.
Previously publishers had no real alternative but to release their games on a Japanese machine. When Xbox came out, the PS2 was already well established and it would have been daft to ignore the bigger market.
This time around America has a new gung-ho USA-first attitude and has the built in client base to support it. They will all come straight out of the blocks releasing their big names on the Xbox360. PS3 will have to play catch-up - but if people can buy Tiger, Madden, Halo etc on their Xbox360 this December why would they bother waiting any longer to get it on the PS3.
The Revolution will have the original Japanese content that many people hanker for, but unfortunately this kind of thing isn't mass market enough to drive sales nowadays. PS3 will no doubt win in Japan, probably for the same reason that Xbox360 will win in the US (dependable home-grown software that appeals to the local market tastes).
Europe and the UK usually follow the US and therefore I believe that the UK sales will be
1) Xbox360
2) PS3
3) Revolution
Anyone want to call it in a different order? I know its early, but speculation isn't interesting if its done when everyone already knows the answer.
Samuel Downey
25-04-2005, 11:23
Honestly, I dont think there's much point in speculating these figures until after E3. Who know's what Nintendo will pull out, same can be said with the Sony PS3.
I think Sony will win again. The Playstation brought console gaming to the masses and the PS2 delivered as well (eventually). I don't think it really matters who "wins"; the fact that we are going to get a new range of powerful games consoles is exciting in itself. I don't even think it matters which is more powerful either to be honest. I think we've reached a point in gaming technology where the limitations are really down to game design rather than hardware capabilities.
if store employees don't encourage customers to wait for the PS3 then maybe the XBOX 2. I know a few people told not to buy the DC because of the PS2, will this be a repeat?
This could be interesting as both PS2 and XB360 are using PC gfx chips intheir consoles. Now the interesting thing about this is that they are both very very new designs, and it is entirely possible that one may well be a hell of a lot better than the other......now if ATI were to pull another r400 out of the bag and nVidia another fx series, then we could actually see the 1st to market having both a time and power advantage! The problem for SONY would then be that the timespan before PS3 launch is too short to make any major alterations to the nV chipset, and would be stuck with an inferior chipset for a whole console generation.
Of course, it could entirely go the other way, in which case that is what was expected to start with. However, I have a feeling that m$ are going to accept a huge $ hit per console in order to grab both market share and ensure the PS3 isn't majorly more powerful.
M$ also have the advantage of XBlive, being that once people have signed up for a 12month subscription, those people will be loath to leave it for an alternative and give up their "investment".........and those that have tried SONY's online gaming will, of course, realise just how poor it is (unless SONY plough some serious cash into it and give it a whole new rejig).
However, I have a feeling that m$ are going to accept a huge $ hit per console in order to grab both market share
Didnt they do that last time - not the most succesful strategy.
rbullivant
25-04-2005, 16:18
It'll be Sony all the way, they have built up massive fan loyalty with the PS2. I'd like to see Nintendo really get what it deserves and have a console with mass market appeal. The Cube is my fave console
Rik
I'd like to see Nintendo really get what it deserves and have a console with mass market appeal. The Cube is my fave console
Rik
Personally, I think Microsoft are most deserving on the "top spot" after the current generation of consoles. I would hope that them getting the head start on Sony and Nintendo gives them a good push (not a chance it will do the way of the DC with Microsoft behind it!).
fivebyfive
25-04-2005, 16:51
I hope I'm wrong but I think Sony will win as their fanboys are very loyal and believe whatever Sony tell them. Sony even got ps2 owners to keep on buying the machine (re-design or a replacement for a dead one). All sony have to do is, hype the "cell engine" was the best thing evar!!!!!!!!!!111 or whatever.
Solidstate
Europe and the UK usually follow the US and therefore I believe that the UK sales will be
Surely you should just predict Europe rather then the UK.
Even though I think its impossible to predict I'll just have a go anyway:
US:
PS3
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XBox 360
Rev
Europe:
PS3
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Rev
XBox 360
Japan:
PS3
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Rev
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XBox 360
Worldwide
PS3
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Rev
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XBox 360
I'd (unfortunatly) have to agree due to fanboy brainwashing, I'm sure the PS3 will rule no matter what it's like.
Unless it's terrible (which I'm sure it won't be) there will be so many blinkered PS1 & 2 owners that they will buy one no matter what.
Just recently, the PS2 was the least powerful and most expensive console at the same time, yet it was still the market leader.
Sony could offer a turd on a stick and people would buy it!
I'd say PS3 then Xbox360 then Revolution.
It would be nice to see the Xbox360 in the lead, but I'm sure, 100% that sony will be very VERY closely looking at what the Xbox 360 can do, and if they feel they are going to trail Msofts new machine, sony will chuck in some extra hardware at the last moment.
Guess we will have to see.......
I'm sure I'll be buying a Xbox360 anyway, and will just have to wait and see what the other 2 companies come up with, though (as it seems so far) Sony could be a year behind the Xbox360 launch.
I'd (unfortunatly) have to agree due to fanboy brainwashing, I'm sure the PS3 will rule no matter what it's like.
Unless it's terrible (which I'm sure it won't be) there will be so many blinkered PS1 & 2 owners that they will buy one no matter what.
Just recently, the PS2 was the least powerful and most expensive console at the same time, yet it was still the market leader.
Sony could offer a turd on a stick and people would buy it!
I'd agree with that, and unfortunately it's the same with all SONY products - they are seldom the best, but people buy them anyway just to have the name under their TV. :shrug:
I'd say PS3 then Xbox360 then Revolution.
I'm prone to agree with you there. Although Nintendo may well surprise us all, I can't help thinking that they're coming to market too late.
It would be nice to see the Xbox360 in the lead, but I'm sure, 100% that sony will be very VERY closely looking at what the Xbox 360 can do, and if they feel they are going to trail Msofts new machine, sony will chuck in some extra hardware at the last moment.
SONY made huge losses last year, so I can't see SONY just throwing money at it in the same way that M$ might. I'd also say that just adding more hardware as a last resort to bolster power is not a good idea......remember the SEGA Saturn? They added an extra processor so it could compete, but it just made it a real bitch to program for. Besides which, both ATI & nVidia's final gfx chip architecture has probably already been finalised.
I'm sure I'll be buying a Xbox360 anyway, and will just have to wait and see what the other 2 companies come up with, though (as it seems so far) Sony could be a year behind the Xbox360 launch.
I'll probably end up gettiing all 3 again depending on what they all offer. :thumbs:
I think the headstart will do a hell of a lot of good, provided they don't do a Nintendo and release the machine then leave the better games until 'soon' (ie. later.)
The PS3 would do very well relying on the name alone.
The 'Revolution' might be the make-or-break for Nintendo - I just hope it's not going to be the latter because given the chance (ie not having developpers pull out just because it doesn't do as well as the other platforms - as with the GC) I think they could do very well. But then the 'revolution' miiiiight turn out to be a gimmick, kicking Ninty in the nuts. Hard. With a pair of steel toes.
I'll probably keep with tradition and get all three :nuts:
As some have said - E3 will put confirm/shatter much of our current ideas.
I wonder what the fanboys have to say about this, particularly the Sony/NINTENDO! ones :lol: :p
Jimmyboy
25-04-2005, 17:52
Even though I think its impossible to predict I'll just have a go anyway:
Europe:
PS3
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Rev
XBox 360
On what possible basis have you formed that opinion on? I'd have thought it would be quite obvious to anyone with a minimal knowledge of video gaming that Nintendo's biggest nightmare out of the 3 regions is Europe.
The only thing I'd feel near certain in saying is that Nintendo are gonna be out of the race claiming through choice rather than incompetence because this is the angle they've used to justify flagging GC sales and the hand held war with Sony's PSP. Already they're building up Rev as being something altogether different to the typical video game console so I think they will just become increasingly marginal in their market share.
The single biggest factor in the new console war is that Microsoft have successfully managed to sign up a huge shopping list of Japans most highly praised developers. There will now be a rather bizarre situation in which the best high profile Japanese games will require an American console to actually play them. This could well give the 360 the edge in the Japanese market, something the xbox failed to do.
The PS3 will turn over ridiculous numbers world wide regardless so Sony can sleep walk this one if they want too.
On what possible basis have you formed that opinion on? I'd have thought it would be quite obvious to anyone with a minimal knowledge of video gaming that Nintendo's biggest nightmare out of the 3 regions is Europe.
The only thing I'd feel near certain in saying is that Nintendo are gonna be out of the race claiming through choice rather than incompetence because this is the angle they've used to justify flagging GC sales and the hand held war with Sony's PSP. Already they're building up Rev as being something altogether different to the typical video game console so I think they will just become increasingly marginal in their market share.
The single biggest factor in the new console war is that Microsoft have successfully managed to sign up a huge shopping list of Japans most highly praised developers. There will now be a rather bizarre situation in which the best high profile Japanese games will require an American console to actually play them. This could well give the 360 the edge in the Japanese market, something the xbox failed to do.
The PS3 will turn over ridiculous numbers world wide regardless so Sony can sleep walk this one if they want too.
I agree with you, but best you duck behind the sofa before Teasy reads it as I think he might have shares in Nintendo? :lol: :nuts:
I just remember what happened to the Dreamcast.
It launched way before the PS2, but (amonst other reasons) People held off due to the Sony Hype Engine promising miracles from the Emotion Engine.
Could they do it again?
Not so easy this time around as they have a BIGGER opponent this time.
And has been said above, Msoft need to hit the ground running with this one.
They will have a healthy head start, so don't blow it by faffing around.
Contrary to popular belief, the Dreamcast actually sold quite well. It was the moment that people discovered how to hack DC Gigadiscs(or whatever they were called) games onto CDR that spelt the doom for Dreamcast, as everyone just downloaded their games and burnt them onto CD......a real shame, as I believe it still stacks up rather well now considering it's age!
Contrary to popular belief, the Dreamcast actually sold quite well. It was the moment that people discovered how to hack DC Gigadiscs(or whatever they were called) games onto CDR that spelt the doom for Dreamcast, as everyone just downloaded their games and burnt them onto CD......a real shame, as I believe it still stacks up rather well now considering it's age!
it was the complete opposite..the month this 'hack' was found, the DC had records sales!
it was the complete opposite..the month this 'hack' was found, the DC had records sales!
Exactly, record sales of consoles, of which SEGA lost money for each one sold........however, the game sales died a huge death almost overnight!
unrealnils
25-04-2005, 18:30
But didnt the same thing help the x-box sales and hurt the cube ??
The difference being that m$ are deliberately losing money in huge amounts in their endeavour to grab market share.........m$ can afford to lose that sort of money, whereas SEGA couldn't.
Coincidentally, in it's short lifespan the Dreamcast sold in excess of 9million units - not too shabby I reckon!
they werent selling many anyway....they made the right move...like nintendo should do, stop making consoles, and concentrate making quality games for the other two consoles
im only in this thread to keep seeing t@xmans marvelous sig :)
The problem Microsoft have is that the early adopters last time (myself included) paid full price and the price went down very quickly. Granted, Mocrosoft compensated us a bit but will this make people hesitate before buying this time. However, I don't regret buying on day of release (at midnight) because there were some really good launch titles for the XBOX.
The second thing is that they are going to be launching the XBOX360 a relatively short time after the XBOX (as gaming cycles go) and XBOX owners may not be too quick to abandon the XBOX after investing in it. Will they be willing to pay £100/$100 more to make their XBOX 360 the all singing all dancing backwards compatible version...
The third thing is that Microsoft seem to have a marketing hard on for online gaming. In fact it tends to overshadow the games themselves and I expect this to be even more so with the XB360. Not everyone wants to play games online and the tendency for people with XBOX LIVE to move on to "the next big thing" means that interest in the online side of a game can be transitory. The problem with this is that if the single player aspect isn't any good (something that was common with early XBOX LIVE games), once the online community have moved on to the newer games you are left with nobody to play with online and an average single player experience. I think the more innovative aspects of online for the XBOX 360 won't be in the area of games as such anyway.
Having said all that, I'm actually quite positive about the XBOX 360. The XBOX turned out much better than I expected and there's no doubt the XB360 will have great games even at launch, just as the XBOX did.
Having said all that, I'm actually quite positive about the XBOX 360. The XBOX turned out much better than I expected and there's no doubt the XB360 will have great games even at launch, just as the XBOX did.
I have read that (so it's been guessed at)
No backwards compatibility may in fact help it's launch lineup.
Some companies who WERE going to be launching titles for the current console later in the year have decided to hold off the title and release it instead on the new console.
Not sure how true this may be, but if there is some truth, it may add even more titles to the initial lineup.
Of course, I'm sure it'll take a while, as with any console to get the best from it.
msm13579
26-04-2005, 01:07
it's going to be interesting to see if microsoft can overtake sony, i think they have a small chance at it. but i am not sure it would be a good thing if it were to happen. with sony in the lead microsoft is putting a lot of money into the xbox and its games, which is good for us gamers. if microsoft get a monopoly on the games industry it could go the way of EA (don't get me wrong they still publish some good games, but mostly churn out rubbish). unfortunately i don't have much hope for the revolution doing well over here, although i will certainly buy one if/when i can afford it (same for the 360), but nintendo should be fine due to not making a loss on the consoles. don't see why they couldn't do well in japan though.
I'm prone to agree with you there. Although Nintendo may well surprise us all, I can't help thinking that they're coming to market too late.
they are releasing their next gen the same time or before the ps3
people are still buying their first xbox now, not many of their mums and dads are going to get them another within a few months ;)
the ps3 will come first as they have a big following, its inevitible
The Revolution will come second because nintendo always release the best games and accesories toward the end of the consoles life and will rocket sales for a while (eg; RES4, DKJB, Chainsaw, even the ViperGC will boost the GC)
the xbox360 (what a name) will come last because they are releasing it a year earlier, people will be bored and want to try the Sony and Ninty with newer games and hardware
i would love to see Sega make a one-off console and kick arses around a bit :D
But didnt the same thing help the x-box sales and hurt the cube ??
The GC sales are in massive profit actualy, its the sales of the PS2 that shadow it and make it look like its gone downhill, they are still on track to what they wanted believe it or not
puddleduck
26-04-2005, 07:57
I think it will be PS3, XBox 360 coming in very close, with the Nintendo console coming in a distant 3rd.
The only console that really interested me personally is the Nintendo Revolution (mainly due to backward Cube compatibility), but I'm not convinced Nintendo actually have any hardware yet?
It will be ps3 xbox 360 and nintendos effort.
But im interested in nintendos sterescopic option as im a big 3d fan. anybody know anymore about this i have no intention of buying nintendo again they are a lost cause in my opinion. but stereoscopic 3d is a big interest. i have all the glasses so does anyone have any more news on the 3d :)
charlie angel
26-04-2005, 15:16
I'd bet on -
PS3
XBox 360
Nintendo Rev
The only one that interests me so far is the Nintendo offering - very interested in seeing more details drip through on that. The PS3 will probably sit under my TV as well, & MS will have to radically change their output for me to buy their system.
like nintendo should do, stop making consoles, and concentrate making quality games for the other two consoles
Don't understand this myself.
Nintendo, at present, can make the games they want - and take their time on them. No need to please 2 other companies with different agenda's, and downgrading the game to work on the least powerful system. They can be in charge of everything, and this is key to making their style and quality of game. They will always have a fanbase because of this.
The argument that they're failing is a misconception also. They've shifted tons of Gamecubes worldwide and are making plenty of money.
Don't take my word for it:
Perrin Kaplan "Of course Nintendo would like to own all of the console market, just as we own the majority of the portable market. But of all three companies, Nintendo can proudly say that we continue to be the most profitable...
We've remained in this business for the love of the art of the game. That's what we got into it for..."
so as long as they make large profits (even being in 3rd place) they are unlikely to "do a SEGA".
I can't see the status quo being upset by the next generation.
Sony will rule the roost no matter how good or bad the PS3 is compared to the competition. They have their name ingrained into every teenager, Chav, parent, uncle, aunt and Japanese importer's psyche.
What may happen is that the gap may be closed a bit - but it depends on the other 2 and their consoles and how much money they want to chuck at the advertising.
Personally, I haven't decided which one appeals to me yet as details are so sketchy at the moment. Only thing I am sure of though is that I won't be impressed by the usual franchises from EA with better resolutions and presentation being passed off as next gen. I want originality.
puddleduck
02-05-2005, 14:36
Only thing I am sure of though is that I won't be impressed by the usual franchises from EA with better resolutions and presentation being passed off as next gen. I want originality.
Amen to that!
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