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England captain Michael Vaughan won the toss and elected to bowl first in the first one-day international against South Africa in Johannesburg.
In a shake-up to the side, Glamorgan wicket-keeper Geraint Jones has been asked to open the innings.
England gave a second cap in one-day internationals to Worcestershire fast bowler Kabir Ali, while batsmen Kevin Pietersen and Ian Bell also started.
It meant no place in the side for opening batsman Vikram Solanki.
England: M Trescothick, G Jones (wkt), M Vaughan (capt), A Strauss, K Pietersen, I Bell, P Collingwood, A Giles, K Ali, D Gough, M Hoggard.
An intresting choice getting Jones to open the innings. Not sure how it will work, but the rest of the batting is very strong.
Anyone know anywhere doing online commentary?
England win the toss and put South Africa in and this was looking a good call by Michael Vaughan as South Africa are struggling at 90-7.
I can't find anywhere doing online commentary, but Talk Sport Radio have live ball by ball commentary.
SA got 175-9 whilst England are now on 21-2 :help:
It looks like we could win this on the duckworth/lewis method as it is raining heavily. Good partnership between Vaughan and Pierterson.
cheeseypuffs
30-01-2005, 18:09
England won on D/L method, but I can't help thinking SA missed a trick there. With storm clouds brewing and Pollock, Ntini and Nel bowling, England's rate slowed right down after the third wicket fell. At about 20 overs gone (when the result is assured) England were behind on D/L, but Smith put on his second tier of bowlers and Vaughan and Pietersen smacked them about a bit to put England well ahead when the heavy rain started. At this point the top three bowlers had ten overs left between them!
If Smith had just let his top three bowl out their overs, I'm sure it would have been a lot tighter, especially as there wasn't much doubt it was going to end early.
Aarrrghh the DL method really does ruin the excitement... Anyway, I can see England having the upper hand in this tournament...
How can it ruin the excitement? The England players knew the bad weather was coming so they made sure they were ahead on the rate.
Whats the alternative? Calling it a draw? That would ruin the excitement :)
maybe a few reserve days.. and if no result is achieved then bring the DL method in!!
maybe a few reserve days.. and if no result is achieved then bring the DL method in!!
With the schedule for this series it would be impossible to bring in a reserve day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/4226723.stm
Jones is going to keep opening the batting for England. I feel it is an experiment worth keeping trying at as it seems a bit pointless having him come in down the order once the first 15 overs are gone. He is no Adam Gilchrist but he could still do a descent job of it.
England finish at an excellent looking 270-5 after being put in . Pietersen looks a bit rubbish as he only got 108 no. That's how to pee off the SA fans and team :lol:
England finish at an excellent looking 270-5 after being put in . Pietersen looks a bit rubbish as he only got 108 no. That's how to pee off the SA fans and team :lol:
:clap: How many balls did it take to get 108?
A pedestrian 96 balls I believe
:clap: How many balls did it take to get 108?
96
Pietersen looks a bit rubbish as he only got 108 no. That's how to pee off the SA fans and team :lol:
:lol:
It seems a bit of a strange decision by Smith to put England into bat first. What a start to his International career by Pietersen :notworthy
Crouching Tiger
02-02-2005, 18:22
SA fighting back well with their experienced batters in.
237 - 4 now 34 needed off 26
Going to go to the wire I reckon.
TIED GAME Fantastic by England :)
blobberTHEjobber
02-02-2005, 20:28
One to win off the last ball wasn't it?
OMG what a superb finish, I know we can look back now and say if only, but if only Ali had not bowled that no ball of the first ball of the over but he certainly held his nerve with that last ball.
Simply a superb game of cricket, roll on Friday.
Yep and Jones stumped Hall off Ali. Great comeback by Ali after his first ball of the last over went for four.
One to win off the last ball wasn't it?
Yes as South Africa were on the same score has what England got, 270. As they couldn't get that single that they required to win the match, the game is tied despite England losing fewer wickets.
Was so sure what SA were going to win that I happy with a draw :D
HR
Credit also has to go to Trescothick for the way he captained the side under pressure.
Crouching Tiger
02-02-2005, 20:51
Yes well done England again. SA always seem to find a way to cock it up.
SA always seem to find a way to cock it up.
They do don't they although they are getting closer. I can't be the only one that thought we had cocked it up after the first ball of the over.
Great game, I think England would have been unlucky to lose. SA were lucky when batting imo, with lots of edges and miss-timed shots going to the boundary.
spearce8
03-02-2005, 10:31
Great Match :clap:
I haven't felt tension like that since England v Portugal Euro 04 :dork:
Roll on Tomorrow :)
How did they throw that away though, especially after the first ball of the final over :shrug: :doh:
damn it, i missed it, what happened in the last over?
stallion
03-02-2005, 11:23
To summarise, with SA needing 8 runs to win with one over remaining it went as follows
4nb-W-0-1-W-1-W
I think if memoery serves me correctly :D
To summarise, with SA needing 8 runs to win with one over remaining it went as follows
4nb-W-0-1-W-1-W
I think if memoery serves me correctly :D
hehe :clap:
More detail.. :)
7 Required to win off the last over, much discussion about who is going to bowl it, Giles, Ali or Tresco himself. Tresco eventually throws the ball to Ali and you can almost see him thinking, 'Let's see if you've got what it takes for international one day cricket' :)
Ball 1: High full toss, called a no-ball and whacked to the boundary by boucher. 5 runs, Ali looks a broken man, Tresco is scratching his chin :D
Ball 2: Low full toss, same shot to the boundary, but intercepted by Giles in mid flight, good catch. Boucher out, batsmen cross.
Ball 3: No run.
Ball 4: Ball squirted away, single to Pollock.
Ball 5: New batsman to face, Pollock clearly indicates that he's running whatever happens, fatal mistake, Prince run out by a mile at the non-strikers end as the ball goes straight to a fielder.
Ball 6: New batsman Hall, misses, no run!
Ball 7: Jones comes up to the stumps, Ali bowls a perfect yorker just outside the off stump which Hall misses and Jones somehow stops, Hall wanders out of his crease in desperation so Jones stumps him :D
Tie!
-- Jon
Arthur Fowler
03-02-2005, 11:32
Thanks for that gothmog.
Am I right in thinking therefore that the stumping made no difference, it was just the lack of run on the last ball that made it a tie?
Yep, it was the fact that Jones was up at the stumps and managed to stop the full pace ball that prevented any possibility of the batsmen taking a winning bye through to the keeper. Hall felt he had to make some sort of effort to run and that's when Jones stumped him, in fact it was more of a run out than a stumping as Jones had the ball a second or two before Hall decided he'd better run :)
-- Jon
I can't be the only one that thought we had cocked it up after the first ball of the over.
You certainly ain't. I was about to play indoor cricket at the time, and was watching the end of the match in the bar.. when Ali's first ball went for 5, and they needed 3 off 6.. I thought it was over.. so I went to go warm up.
Couldn't believe it when my match started bout 5 mins later, and people were still watching the screens. Gutted I missed it.
cheers gothmog, can't believe i forgot about it :(
cheeseypuffs
03-02-2005, 19:04
I thought if scores are tied it went down to wickets lost :?:
Or do they have slightly different rules for different competitions?
Crouching Tiger
04-02-2005, 12:56
Third game just under way. England won toss and decided to bat.
Currently 76-1 in the 15th over with Trescothick the man out
Both sides made one change - Vaughan was unfit so Solanki come sin and Boje comes in instead of Hall for SA
207-4 after 39.3 overs, Solanki just out for 66!
England finish on 267-8, just 3 less than the other day, fairly happy with that although South Africa did well to put the brakes on towards then end otherwise they could have been chasing a total nearer 300.
Right at the death now and S.Africa are favourites now I think with Gough just being smashed for 4 :(
Disappointing but if we don't take our chances then we have only ourselves to blame.
Crouching Tiger
04-02-2005, 22:58
I think if I won the toss, I would bat last almost every time in a ODI
I think if I won the toss, I would bat last almost every time in a ODI
It is always a tough call but you have to look at the playing conditions and perhaps the history of results at the ground, also what is your team better at doing, batting first then defending a total or vice verser. I don't blame Trescothick for batting first on this occasion.
impydave
09-02-2005, 07:36
A little bump for the match today :)
Having lived in South Africa for 11 years, it's nice to see the team on top in the series so far......
I'm very sure that England will be back to their higher standard today though, should be an interesting day/nighter :)
I do think the schedule is a tad grulling though.....
Incredible hitting from Justin Kemp towards the end - smashed 80 off 50 balls and poor old Kabir Ali got destroyed for 45 runs! in his last 2 overs!.
S.Africa at the end were 311/7 at the end of 50 overs - England have simply got a colossal job and one I feel they have little chance without a Flintoff coming in to ramp it up like Kemp has done for S.Africa.
S.Africa at the end were 311/7 at the end of 50 overs - England have simply got a colossal job and one I feel they have little chance without a Flintoff coming in to ramp it up like Kemp has done for S.Africa.
It could make interesting viewing if we do get near the total.
Great use of the first 15 overs boys!!
******* dire batting, when your chasing 300 plus, you atleast need to show intent to attack.
I'm perplexed as to why Jones is opening the batting - when Solanki is a recognised one day opener who attacks by nature anyway. Jones aint good enough to come out and attack from the off against qaulity bowlers with a new ball. Solanki or Strauss are. Saying that, atleast he was more positive than Tresco' who looked like he was batting for a nice little 60 not out.
I reckon we have the right batsman, but the order needs to be changed.
..don't get me started on the bowlers. Why they didn't leave Jonathan Lewis out there after the test series?.. he would have done a job, and it would have given a knackered Hoggard/Harmison a rest. He's a very useful one day bowler too.
At least Pietersen is showing the right approach and giving us some hope - but as soon as him or Solanki fall, its pretty much over bar Giles finding something in the bag!
10 overs of Pietersen & Flintoff would be worth watching :)
cheeseypuffs
09-02-2005, 20:09
I think they should have looked to put Pieterson in earlier, the wickets weren't falling but the run rate was too low. If he was in sooner, he'd have had a bit more leeway knowing there are batsmen to come. Realistically, he's now got to score quickly and stay in for the rest of the innings! If he'd been in sooner, he could've blasted a quick 60-70, reducing the required rate and if he'd got out, there'd still be 2 or 3 batsmen to come with less pressure on them.
cheeseypuffs
09-02-2005, 20:15
TBH SA made 111 in the last 10 overs, so we're ahead of their rate now. Collingwood is capable of scoring quickly, so it could get interesting (if we're lucky) ;)
cheeseypuffs
09-02-2005, 20:29
Cracking shots from the "King of Spain". Game on?
what a match.. very unlikely to see england make 21 runs of the last over... hats of to Pietersen for playing so well....
At least we or rather Pietersen made a game of it :(
Three run outs is appalling.
Superb innings by Pietersen 100 not out off just 69 balls. Just 7 runs short, I agree with David Lloyd, 59 runs from the first 15 innings was not good enough, apparently that is our worse 15 over score this series.
I think Vaughn was looking for batting pracise rather than a win.
morleyian
09-02-2005, 21:08
Three run outs is appalling.
Can hardly blame it on the run outs :cuckoo:
Can hardly blame it on the run outs :cuckoo:
I was thinking the same. It wasn't bad running at all, just that England had to try everything at the end.
Nice to see Pieterson doing so well, as he has been my captain in the forums fantasy cricket league for the past 2 seasons. :D
Also great to see him go out and answer all those South Africans who scream "traitor" at him by clouting them all over the pitch.
cheeseypuffs
09-02-2005, 21:44
If Jones is opening because of his shot making, then surely he's got to score quickly? If not, then there are three other players capable of opening the batting, Vaughan, Strauss and Solanki. If we're going to start that slowly chaising 311, then we're better off with Jones coming on for the last 6 overs or so, when he can flash a few boundaries, rather than rack up a few dot balls :shrug:
Loved the way they failed to mention Pietersons efforts in the players close to winning man of the match... seems Pollocks 1 for 35 was held in higher regard.
Crouching Tiger
09-02-2005, 22:08
Yes, the SA crowd have been very childish towards Pieterson. :oh-hum:
I was just crying out for somebody to slog it from about the halfway stage.
I'm afraid you can't have Ali conceding 45 runs off 2 overs and expect to win.
He did something similar in the last match too. Inexperience I suppose.
Oh well, he'll learn.......or be dropped.
Loved the way they failed to mention Pietersons efforts in the players close to winning man of the match... seems Pollocks 1 for 35 was held in higher regard.
:lol: That was funny wasn't it. I wonder what would have happened if that had occurred in England and we had failed to mention Smith for example.
I would go with Solanki to open the batting with Strauss at number 3 and Jones perhaps at number 6.
Oh well, he'll learn.......or be dropped.
He'd bowled really well before those 2 overs and was very economical - but with Harmison/Hoggard both totally shot out, Kabir Ali has been rather exposed without a 2nd experienced paceman able to step in towards the end of the innings.
Crouching Tiger
09-02-2005, 22:25
He'd bowled really well before those 2 overs and was very economicalI didn't watch it all but I understood he went for 20 in his first over and 25 in his last.
morleyian
09-02-2005, 22:30
I didn't watch it all but I understood he went for 20 in his first over and 25 in his last.
Nope, they were consecutive overs.
spearce8
09-02-2005, 22:50
Nope, they were consecutive overs.
No they weren't :)
No they weren't. 20 off the 10th over, Ali's first and 25 off the 48th over, his last. 7 qovers in between.
morleyian
10-02-2005, 00:42
No they weren't :)
Well I wasn't watching much of the 1st innings so that's my excuse :doh: (guess I misunderstood the commentators :brickwall )
cheeseypuffs
10-02-2005, 17:44
To be fair to Ali, the first over, Kallis would probably have hit any of the bowlers, barring Gough, for 20 runs, and when he bowled his last Kemp was absolutely on fire, smashing anything out of the ground. Gough showed real class getting him out when he was in that sort of form.
After a good start by England it looks like the weather is going to hand South Africa victory in the sixth one-day match.
South Africa 186-7 off 42.4 overs with Alex Wharf taking 3 wickets.
At work so have no idea how bad the weather is but fingers crossed it clears up and England can win this one :) .
211 all out with Gibbs hitting 118 of them, the South African score included 4 ducks. Could be an interesting match if we bat well as this target is definitely get-able.
Arthur Fowler
11-02-2005, 17:45
Don't know what the target is yet though as Messrs Duckworth and Lewis need to be brought into play.
Had forgotten about that, I wouldn't have thought it would be to much more (hopefully!).
Arthur Fowler
11-02-2005, 17:51
Target now 213 !!! Big change :nuts:
Arthur Fowler
11-02-2005, 18:02
Tresco out for 1 :nono:
Arthur Fowler
11-02-2005, 18:22
Not looking good. Covers on, raining, downpour expected. 2 wickets down too.
Target now 213 !!! Big change :nuts:
I didn't think it would be much but one more run :lol:
Lets hope we can get at least 20 overs in for a match, we should then promote Pietersen up the order.
Rain is about to wash out the rest of this game I reckon - another 'great' start though from Tresco and Jones :lol:
Time to move Geraint back down to no.7 and leave him there - he is absolutely not up to facing the likes of Pollock and Ntini in the first section of the game! :mad:
Match abandoned - No Result. What is it with South Africa and rain ?
Time to move Geraint back down to no.7 and leave him there - he is absolutely not up to facing the likes of Pollock and Ntini in the first section of the game! :mad:
I think it is time to move him back down to Kent. His keeping is just not up to scratch, and the reason he was picked over Read (his batting), is getting worse. Reads batting improved tenfold during the championship last year. I beleive it's time for a recall.
In the meantime, I would keep this team for the last one-dayer, but as you say, drop him down to 7.
impydave
13-02-2005, 11:01
Not a very good start from England !!
Solid performance from Pieterson now though, turned it into a cricket match, and not a walkover for the South Africans....
impydave
13-02-2005, 11:02
Ooo just as I post England fall to 172-7.....Giles gone
Once more it is Pietersen we have to rely on to take us from an appalling 68-6 to a slightly more respectable 157-6. Solanki, why are they bothering? Collingwood has not had a good series of ODIs either. Whilst the test side looks better, this kind of ODI performance is hardly filling me with optimism for the next world cup.
Pieterson is fantastic to watch. It will be interesting how he does this summer.
I am only following it online, but the number of 6s and 4s he is hitting is stunning. With less than 10 overs, we were only 160 or so runs in, and he has smashed them at an incredible rate to take us over the 200.
Whilst I have no confidence in our bowlers being able to stop a South African victory, Pietersen is one of the few people to come out of the ODIs with a worthy reputation.
It is the best one day innings i have seen. But it's all over now :(
He is absolutely different class - just imagine what he and Flintoff could do at the next World Cup! :eek:
It is the best one day innings i have seen. But it's all over now :(
I am struggling to think of a better innings, at the beginning he really dug in and was just concentrating on playing the singles around but at the end his hitting was very violent, I think his last 40 rums came off just 14 balls. Credit also must go to Giles (with his best one day score) and Ali both who played a vital part in partnerships with Pietersen.
He must be given a chance in the test team against Bangladesh in the summer after this series.
South Africa win then, Pietersen gets both the man of the match and man of the series awards and quite rightly so.
impydave
13-02-2005, 18:28
South Africa win then, Pietersen gets both the man of the match and man of the series awards and quite rightly so.
Have to agree there Alan, also nice to see the South African crowd acknowledge Pietersons performance as well :)
It is the best one day innings i have seen.
Great performance, second only to Dean Jones knock v England. Agree with Alan he deserves a chance against the Banga's.
As Ritchie Beneud would say "Do what the opposition would like least"
So Key dropped for Pieterson I reckon, Vaughan 3 Thorpe 4 Pieterson 5 Flintoff 6
sentence even rawowl ;).
If KP does well against Bangladesh do we keep in the side to face the Aussies or would a anchor type like Key be a better bet?
The last time I saw Key playing against Australia, he must have greased his hands with butter as he dropped about 4 or 5 catches. It got so bad I think the whole West Terrace at Headingley was getting ready to lynch him.
So it will be no surprise to hear me say "Go for Pietersen" :D
Can KP play a patient innings?, perhaps MarkR or other Notts fans could comment.
Can KP play a patient innings?, perhaps MarkR or other Notts fans could comment.
He looks to me as if he is someone who scores his runs about a good rate, perhaps similar to how Gilchrist scores in the test match arena. We saw today a different side to him in that first part of his innings he had to knuckle down and grind out the runs so it does look like he is capable of playing this type of innings if needs be.
Can KP play a patient innings?, perhaps MarkR or other Notts fans could comment.
In county games he has scored centuries, double centuries and even triple centuries I think and not always by going as fast as he could. He has batted through tricky times but can put his foot on the accelerator if required. However he did have about 5 golden ducks last season so that shows another side.
morleyian
13-02-2005, 22:56
Didn't realise Hampshire had snapped him up! Surrey should have gone for him :(
I think he wanted to move to a County capable of winning trophies Ian.
morleyian
13-02-2005, 23:03
Was about to say, can play Div 1 cricket x 2 @ Hampshire. Can't do that at the Oval :doh:
I suspect both Key & Pietersen will play in the first 2 tests against Bangladesh as Flintoff probably won't be fit by then. It will be interesting to see who then gets dropped when Flintoff gets back for the ashes.
Was about to say, can play Div 1 cricket x 2 @ Hampshire. Can't do that at the Oval :doh:
He could have done that with Notts also but still chose to go as there was a falling out about this and that aswell as money.
If he gets called up for test as well as the one dayers Hampshire may aswell not have him anyway.
I think that's why Notts didn't put up too much of a fight.
cheeseypuffs
15-02-2005, 12:46
Yep, Hampshire will have a very strong team when everyone is available, but once the Aussies take Warne, Clarke and possibly Watson and then Pietersen goes as well, they're pretty much back to the same as last year, although to be fair they put in some good performances.
What may go in Pietersen's favour is training with Hampshires Aussies. If he gets a lot of batting practice against the Shanes it's got to be a good thing.
Pieterson has been dropped from the A tour of UAE and Sri Lanka for him to recover from his hamstring injury and join pre season training with Hampshire.
Looks to me like they are readying him for a go at a Test.
Looks to me like they are readying him for a go at a Test.
From what Duncan Fletcher was saying yesterday that does look likely and lets face it they would be crazy not to.
I agree with Mike Athertons comments about him & the team selection for the Ashes. Drop Key & move Vaughan and Thorpe up a place each, and play Pietersen at 5 :thumbs:
Still don't understand why he wasn't given a bowl in SA. His county record is better than Tresco & Vaughans who had plenty of bowling :?:
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