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Ive been thinking about getting an RP tv for sometime now and have decided that it has to be beteen the Sony and the Toshiba.
Anyone had any experiences of these TV's ?
Alos where did you get them from, was the service good
etc.
thanks for your help
I've got the Toshiba 40PW03B 40" RPTV. It seemed to be universally liked on the uk.media.home-cinema newsgroup when I was looking for a new TV. The Sony's didn't seem to be liked at the time.
tj_director
28-03-2001, 20:58
i got a 43" 4:3 Toshiba, and am so happy with it!! I got mine from Tv+Video Direct Ltd for £1170 with cabinet and delivery.
(look in mag like what video or something, they only sell Toshiba products i think.) their service was very good.
Henry has more experiences with RPTV, and he did a direct comparison with Toshiba and Sony, and found he prefered the picture of the Tosh. Hopefully he'll reply here.
I also looked at them side to side, but at Comets, and they hadn't set them up properly - even still i prefered the Tosh :)
Anyone give me a phone number/url/email for Tv+Video Direct Ltd.
Cheers
[ 28 March 2001: Message edited by: monsta ]
IMHO, Toshiba makes the best rear projection TVs. Their current range is uniformly excellent so you really can't go wrong. The 43PJ93B that TJ has is one of the best of the range and it's excellent value. It's 4:3, but you'll still get a widescreen image of about 39" with the advantage of a satisfyingly huge picture for watching old movies, the footie, etc. Also, widescreen VHS tapes look much better on a 4:3 set than on a widescreen set of comparable size. If you prefer a widescreen set, the 40PW03B is excellent as well, but cost a bit more than the 43".
The more expensive models in the range have 100Hz processing and built in Dolby Digital sound but it's not really worth paying extra because the picture on the 50Hz sets are very stable (I can watch mine very comfortably for hours, unlike a 50 Hz or even 100 Hz CRT where I would certainly want a break after 2 hours) and the surround sound, while very good or an all-in-one system , is not as good as a separate amp + speakers (which is what I upgraded to after using the built-in sound for about a year). Both of the above models come with Nicam Stereo sound only, so you can invest the money you save on a decent sound system, add a subwoofer, whatever.
Hope this helps :)
I got my Toshiba 40PW03B from AV Shop Direct (http://www.avshopdirect.co.uk) in Glasgow via their web site last October. Paid £1249 with delivery (included a 5-year extended warranty at the time too). Paying for it via a 2-year credit agreement, which will only cost me £100 in interest during that period. Also included the stand when delivered & installed by Toshiba, although this wasn't mentioned on the web site.
I didn't want the Dolby Digital features of the more expensive version as I'd already bought a Sony STR-DB940 amp/rec from them earlier in the year.
Very nice TV, although 3 scarts still ain't enough! :D
tj_director
28-03-2001, 23:39
Monsta
here are their numbers
01204 394422
01942 602076
01204 395999
after 7pm - 07771 802299
the prices at AV Store that Ceravo mentioned are basically the same, but with the added benefit of the longer warranty :).
If you're interested in buying any TV, i'd really recommend getting a mag like What Video+TV, and look around the ads in there, and ring around trying to beat prices.
Cheers tj.
Just checked the AV Shop Direct site and they are showing the 43PJ at £1099.99 + £45 delivery but there's no mention of the stand.
Anyone know of anywhere cheaper?
[ 28 March 2001: Message edited by: monsta ]
tj_director
29-03-2001, 05:40
Originally posted by Henry:
It's 4:3, but you'll still get a widescreen image of about 39" with the advantage of a satisfyingly huge picture for watching old movies, the footie, etc. :)
to back up what Henry said, the 43PJ9B features a Widescreen mode, so you can take advantage of Anamphoric pictures, and the increased resolution.. woohoo!!
Monsta, ring AV store up, and ask them about the stand.
Tv+Video Direct didn't advertise it either, you have to ask them for it. It cost me £40 extra - so from AV Store i'd imagine they'd charge the same, so the price will still stay around £1170 :)
Make sure you don't buy it elsewhere, i've seen some places quote £150 for the stand (which by the way is designed specifically for the 43PJ93B, and i REALLY recommend it!!).
If you do get the TV monsta - you will not be dissapointed :D
tj_director
29-03-2001, 05:43
Originally posted by monsta:
Anyone know of anywhere cheaper?
I really doubt you'll find it cheaper, i couldn't find one single company that would beat this price, and trust me i spent a LOT of time ringing around!! And go to Comets and expect to pay around £1600!!! (without the stand!!)
I could have paid £1300 for mine and i'd still be a happy bunny. :)
thanks for all you help guys, I think the tosh is the one to go for,
does anyone know how heavy it is ? and would I definitely need the cabinet.
thanks again
Dont want to put a dampener on things here, but I just paid £1198 for the Toshiba 40PW03b From John Lewis in Edinburgh.
If you print the AV Shop direct website page out and take into JL they will price match and they have the added bonus of 5yr extra guarantee :)
Plus they have free delivery and are a very helpful company I have found in recent months.
l8r
does anyone know how heavy it is ? and would I definitely need the cabinet.
61 kg without the cabinet.
JoeDredd
29-03-2001, 19:14
Good point Rooster. Can anyone comment on the difference in pic quality between RP and CRT??
JoeDredd
29-03-2001, 19:18
Also wouldnt 100hz be essential for a TV this size or does the fact its a RP tv make a difference??
tj_director
29-03-2001, 20:47
Originally posted by rooster:
I thought that RP tellys wcame a poor second to crt ones. Is this the case? Do you have to watch at exactly right angles to screen to get a perfect picture? The ones ive saw in pubs etc are pretty crap
Tj , Henry .. convince me
(:
Come round to mine, and you'll soon be convinced - but seeing how you live in bonny Scotland that ain't going to happen, so i'll do my best here :)
Angle of Viewing -- I have no problems watching it at an angle
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if the 'o's were people then they would have no trouble watching, the picture should be just as clear as sitting straight in front. Of course just like a CRT direct sunlight will ruin things, and probably more so with a RPTV, but not as much as you'd think - the picture is perfectly watchable with my curtains open - only when the sun is directly hitting, can i not see anything, fortunately i've set it up in a very good place, and only very rarely does the sun directly hit it. I have a gloss screen, and i'm perfectly happy with it, a matt screen would make the whole sunlight issue even better :)
Picture Quality -- old RPTVs used to blow up the source image, so the picture quality obviously wouldn't be as good, but models today don't, therefore the picture can be extremely sharp. You do have to set things up properly, and THX-Optimode, or one of those Set-up discs are invaluable. Once you have the color convergence, brightness, tint etc... all set up, then you could honestly imagine yourself watching a big CRT!!
I have never had anyone complain about the picture quality of my Tosh, far from it -- many ooh's and aah's - especially when i show them Bug's Life or Toy Story.
CRT will have more sharpness, and definition, but honestly (and i'm not just saying this) I find the picture of RPTV better than CRTs. Just demo something like Gladiator, and you should find the RPTV image looks more cinematic. I sometimes find CRT can look 'processed' and at times too digital looking. While RPTVs give a more natural look, and while people will say the blacks aren't good on a RPTV, I really think these people are looking at badly set up TVs, because the blacks on mine are as deep as you could possibly want them to be.
I don't see what the big fascination with having 'Pin-Sharp' pictures, I HATE pictures that look digital - and who wants a measly 32" WS image?? when they can get a 40" WS image that looks just as good, maybe even better!!! the Bigger the picture - the better [FACT]. Anyone who has seen an IMAX screen will swear on this!!
And if i'm not mistaken most RPTVs still use the same technology as CRT - with the image being totally made up of phosphur light.
I really do feel RPTVs have a bad rep, especially from people who haven't seen recent models, which are set-up properly - they are definately not a poor second. If you add the advantages and disadvantages together CRT and RPTV are equally the same.
DISADV-
RPTV needs to be set up properly
picture maybe not as sharp
ADVANT-
CRT Tvs can NEVER be as big as a RPTV
Cheapest possible way to get a screen of this size.
A more cinematic picture.
If you are still not convinced, I urge you to visit a Proper store, NOT Dixons!!! where they set up things properly, and you will be very tempted to get out your wallet to buy one. Also a bigger picture somehow makes your sound system sound better?? it's all in your mind -- I once swapped my 43" with my 14" panny, and all of a sudden that cinema feeling had totally dissapeared.
What annoys me are people who pay £1500 for a 36" CRT, when they could pick up a 40" RPTV for £1150, and it's basically the same thing, except BIGGER!! and the ooh-aah factor from (envious) friends is simply priceless!!
One of Dad's friends tried to convince me that RPTVs don't look good, and that i wasted my money -- that was until he actually came round to see for himself -- one showing of Saving Private Ryan COMPLETELY converted him, and made him VERY jealous!! ha ha, stupid Indian Doctors! think they know everything!! he still claims his crappy 32" Sony is a better viewing experience - but he KNOWS it isn't!! :D
[ 29 March 2001: Message edited by: tj_director ]
tj_director
29-03-2001, 21:02
Originally posted by JoeDredd:
Also wouldnt 100hz be essential for a TV this size or does the fact its a RP tv make a difference??
I think Henry spoke about this above somewhere -- i think he even says that 100hz isn't actually the better option??
My Tv doesn't have 100hz or 50hz, and the picture is extremely stable and looks good enough to eat. :)
MilesBennettDyson
29-03-2001, 21:15
I've got the 41" digital sony (KP41DS1U) and think it's awesome. A few software glitches aside (which were eventually upgraded), it's a top TV. The digital tuner is a must have for a TV that size. Analogue just looks cack on a 41".
What is the rated lifetime of the Bulbs in RPTVs? I just ordered the Tosh 40WH08B for £1487 with stand, and was wondering if the bulbs were like projectors; 2000 hours and obscene replacement costs.
TIA
Fly(c)
Originally posted by Fly:
What is the rated lifetime of the Bulbs in RPTVs? I just ordered the Tosh 40WH08B for £1487 with stand, and was wondering if the bulbs were like projectors; 2000 hours and obscene replacement costs.
TIA
Fly(c)
I'm sure the Toshiba engineer that visited me at the end of last year to sort the convergence properly quoted me an average bulb life of 5-6,000 hours with each bulb costing approximately £200. However, as he pointed out, by the time an average RPTV owner had reached the point where the first bulb was going, they'd probably be looking to buy a new TV anyway!
Originally posted by rooster:
Tj , Henry .. convince me
OK then :)
I have a Sony projector that projects onto a 100" screen which is great. But I've hardly used it since I bought my Toshiba RP 2 years ago (because the picture of the Tosh is easily as good, and I can watch it in bright day light).
A friend of mine sold his 6 month old Panasonic 36PF10 one week after watching a film on my Tosh and got one himself (and he still thanks me for it!). And I know 4 more people whose next TV will definitely be an RP set after seeing mine.
The picture on a RPTV (or projector) looks more natural and warmer than a CRT. It's fast becoming a cliche but the word 'cinematic' really captures the quality of the image. A 36" CRT is still a TV, but a RP set is real HOME CINEMA!
I could go on but you really need to see it for yourself. Next time you're in London let me know!
And if you don't believe me, just take a look at the reviews in any home cinema mag. Or go to www.homecinemachoice.com (http://www.homecinemachoice.com)
I thought that RP tellys wcame a poor second to crt ones. Is this the case? Do you have to watch at exactly right angles to screen to get a perfect picture? The ones ive saw in pubs etc are pretty crap
Tj , Henry .. convince me
(:
Another question for you guys, how many Hi fi appliances can I get in the cabinet ?
could I fit my Sony Amp, dvd player, video and sky digital ? and would my centre speaker sit on top of the tv
thanks again
Originally posted by ibster:
Another question for you guys, how many Hi fi appliances can I get in the cabinet ?
could I fit my Sony Amp, dvd player, video and sky digital ? and would my centre speaker sit on top of the tv
thanks again
The cabinet that comes with the Toshiba 40PW03B RPTV has just enough space to fit a VCR and a Pace Digibox into it.
My old Sony centre speaker sits atop the screen just fine, but I think it's getting a little long in the tooth now, so will probably have a problem when coming to replace it.
Tj , Henry thanks guys im sold but just after your last sales pitch i bought the DV55 and it rocks.
Only thing is a bit skint now
SimonInd
30-03-2001, 15:14
I'm also in the market for a new telly although I'm still not 100% that a rear-projector is the way to go. I've seen the Sony 41" and the Toshiba 40WH08B in the same shop and I'd say the Tosh was a bit sharper and less flickery - possibly due to 100HZ?
However I've never seen the 40WH08B vs the 40PW03B so I don't know if the 100HZ is much better?
The other option is a Hitachi or Philips 36" CRT which would also be about £1500...
Simon
Just orderd one from TV & Video Direct. Only problem is I've got to wait 'til Tuesday for delivery ;)
tj_director
30-03-2001, 19:38
Originally posted by rooster:
Tj , Henry thanks guys im sold but just after your last sales pitch i bought the DV55 and it rocks.
Only thing is a bit skint now
Rooster, i also recently purchased a Ferrari 355, how about a sales pitch for that ;)
oh and don't forget my luxury submarine that i got for free thanks to the forums.!
Monsta, woohoo!!! Tuesday will be a day you tell your grandchildren about :D
monsta,
how much did u pay for it ? was that with the cabinet
cheers
Got it for £1170 including delivery and cabinet from Sound & Vision. I rang AV Shop Direct, but the bloke who answered the phone was a complete arse, either that or he's just had How-to-lose-a-Sale-in-10-Seconds-Flat lessons - he quoted me £100 more than the price shown on the website and when I asked why they where showing it at £1099 he said "well that's the website price"?!?!? He also quoted an excessive amount for the stand (either £100 or £150), but due to his attitude I'd lost interest and wasn't really listening.
The guy from Sound & Vision asked me straight away what the cheapest price I'd been quoted was and beat it by a fiver (but it was more like £50 as delivery is free ;)) and then matched the cheapest price for the stand. As long as it turns up when they said it would (Tuesday) I'd have no problem recommending them to anyone.
Why is it some retailers adopt the "we're doing you a favour letting you buy this" attitude when it's guaranteed to lose them a sale?
tj_director
31-03-2001, 00:14
Originally posted by monsta:
Why is it some retailers adopt the "we're doing you a favour letting you buy this" attitude when it's guaranteed to lose them a sale?
I know exactly how you feel!! when i was in the process of finding prices for my TV and DVD, i came across some real dickheads, who speak some real ********, -- for example you don't want that.. you want this model, it's more expensive, and i'm know more about this stuff than you do, so i won't sell you the Cheap one, oh and i forget, you can't have the cheap one anyway, because all of a sudden they're all out of stock!! or the best one -- "these TV's are in VERY limited stocks, but if you pay us an extra £100 we can guarantee you one. And you make the cheque out to me, and here's my address. Everytime i met one of these **********, i'd always have to say -
"Look buddy, i ain't a jerk, so don't ******* with me, or else i'll track you down and rip out your spleen and strangle you with it.. BITCH!!!
Now that's HOW to get things cheap!! :D
Monsta -that's the exact same price i paid, you done good :)
Rainfall
31-03-2001, 04:37
I had the Toshiba 40PW8DB one thing to point out if like me you watch Sky news or any channel that as a logo be very careful the logo's burn onto the screen if you watch it a lot and I thought "normal" tv looked to soft,but Dvd brillant & sharp.I had to sell it because the flat I moved into was to small I had go back down to a Sony 32".
What do you mean by burn into the screen? :confused:
permanently????? :eek:
Fly
Rainfall
31-03-2001, 05:40
Fly,sure there's a teco name for it!! but the Sky News logo burn's onto the screen so when I watched another channell I could see in "grey"the Sky logo it does warn you in the manual of this,anything static on the screen for long period's of time will be burnt onto the screen,hope this make's sence?
Rainfall, how long do you leave Sky News on for? I've left it (and other channels with logos) on for several hours at a time, a few times a week, for 2 years without any problems.
tj_director
31-03-2001, 09:55
yeah this was something i used to be really paranoid about in the early days of ownership - and i'd keep refreshing the screen somehow every 15 mins or so, while playing a video game or watching MTV etc...
Henry reasured me with his experiences, and i've become more comfortable since.. and realise it isn't such a big deal. But i still never leave a static image onscreen for more than 30 mins, an hour at most!! Actually i sometimes leave BBC News 24 on for a few hours straight, with no worries -- but that's through an aerial, and the picture isn't as sharp as Digital. :)
I asked the manager of a GAME store, (where they use a RPTV to display games) about this 'burning'. And he says he'll keep a game on all day, and the TV has been used for 5 years almost - even leaving the game on pause has done nothing to it.
I think his case is an extreme though - as 'burning' is very probable with a projection system. Any CRT based monitor can be subject to burning, even CRT Tvs, and it's the reason most older PC Monitors <u>need</u> screensavers.
But as Rainfall has mentioned, beware those who own RPTVs - it's best to be safe than sorry :)
Rainfall
31-03-2001, 16:39
Henry,I watched Sky for 4 hour's every morning and 3 hour's every night 7 day's a week,I've just checked my file's-brought TV on 8-6-99 sold it 12-1-01,I must say If I had the chance to have a bigger TV again I would'nt buy a RPTV because of the burning,soft picture-on normal tv,If it was used just for Dvd now thats a different matter ;)
BOZZDUDE
01-04-2001, 14:45
monsta,
Just orderd one from TV & Video Direct.
Got it for £1170 including delivery and cabinet from Sound & Vision.
Am i right in thinking these two are the same shop?I'm pretty near Sound & Vision and i'm thinking of going round there.
Also what type of warranty did you get with that?
Cheers BOZZDUDE
Originally posted by monsta:
<STRONG>Got it for £1170 including delivery and cabinet from Sound & Vision.... </STRONG>
Please tell me that was for the 40PW03B and not the 40PW08B I just paid £1487 for...
[ 01 April 2001: Message edited by: Fly ]
Originally posted by Fly:
<STRONG>Please tell me that was for the 40PW03B and not the 40PW08B I just paid £1487 for...
</STRONG>
Neither. If you read the posts carefully you'll realise that £1170 was for the 43PJ93 ;)
oops...
embarassing moment... :D
BOZZDUDE
02-04-2001, 17:13
Cheers monsta,
I went round to Sound and Vision this morning and ordered meself the Tosh. 40PW03B,£1240 including the stand and standard warranty.Comes tomorrow and i can't wait,like a kid on Christmas eve.
My first choice would have been the 43PJ93 but Mrs.DUDE thought it looked to big so i had to comprimise.
May be worth getting back on to them though monsta as they started an offer this morning where you get a free Eltax Atomic A-8 60W sub with any Toshiba rear projection TV.
BOZZDUDE
[ 02 April 2001: Message edited by: BOZZDUDE ]
tj_director
02-04-2001, 20:14
monsta, did it arrive today??
:)
Originally posted by tj_director:
<STRONG>monsta, did it arrive today??
:)</STRONG>
If it did then he's not gonna waste his time here, is he? ;)
Originally posted by BOZZDUDE:
<STRONG>monsta,
Am i right in thinking these two are the same shop?I'm pretty near Sound & Vision and i'm thinking of going round there.
Also what type of warranty did you get with that?
Cheers BOZZDUDE</STRONG>
Sorry for the confusion mate, I ordered it from Sound & Vision (01204 861861) for £1170 all in - TV & Video Direct wouldn't come below £1225.
The warrenty is just the standard 1 year manufacturer's
delivery thursday for mine....can't wait.
Fly
(last seen dusting his popcorn machine! :D
APPRIA40WR
03-04-2001, 11:39
Toshiba or Sony 41" Rear Projection TV
Didn't read all the posts guys but I'd say neither.
Tried both and didn't like the pic quality and decided on the Toshiba 37" (with Dolby Digital built in). It's around for £1000. Excellent pic and no need to change the 'bulbs' in 4-5 years time (£300 each?) cos it ain't got any.
Review here (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Televisions/Toshiba/Toshiba3787DB.shtml).
If I'm gonna have to change 'bulbs' then it's got to be worth it ie a projector :)
Originally posted by APPRIA40WR:
<STRONG>If I'm gonna have to change 'bulbs' then it's got to be worth it ie a projector :)</STRONG>
A rear projection TV uses a full sized CRT projector. It's just directed at a large mirror and the reflected image is projected onto the screen. I've a normal projector too but I prefer my Tosh RP :)
So which is the better value for money the 40PW03B OR 40WH08B? Can you see the difference between them?
APPRIA40WR
03-04-2001, 17:02
Henry: A rear projection TV uses a full sized CRT projector. It's just directed at a large mirror and the reflected image is projected onto the screen. I've a normal projector too but I prefer my Tosh RP :)
:) Hi,
Does it not have 3 different tubes (or bulbs :))? Red, green and blue?
I though all rear projection TVs did and that's why I've not bought one as the tubes do need replacing just like a CRT projector (again with 3 bulbs).
I could be wrong of course.
You are very right. Pretty red, green and blue tubes that will have to be replaced eventually, just like a conventional CRT projector (as opposed to the cheaper LCD projectors).
SimonInd
03-04-2001, 18:36
So how long do these tubes/bulbs last on average? Do they need to be replaced every year/couple of years or are they going to last as long as the TV ( > 3 years )?
One other thing, if the 40WH08 is only slightly better than the 40PW03, is the 43PJ93 up there in terms of quality aswell? The reason I ask is that the 43PJ93 seems to be a 4:3 version of the 40PW03..... As the boxes are the same size it would make the 43PJ93 the obvious buy - for 4:3 performance as the widescreen images are about the same size ( 39" vs 40" )....
Simon
The tubes have a lifespan of 5-6000 hours, so if you watch it for 2-3 hours everyday, they'll last about 2000 days (or 5 and a half years).
Yep, the 43PJ93 is excellent, both in terms of picture quality and value for money.
tj_director
03-04-2001, 19:00
Simon, as far as i'm aware, the quality is the same. I've only seen them for real together at Comets, so they weren't set up properly -- but they still looked the same, picture wise. And to be honest i thought the 40" doesn't look as good.
Henry can best comment on this comparison.
I own the 43PJ93B, and am well happy with it. In Widescreen Mode, the picture is just over 39" -- it may be worth getting if you watch a lot of TV, Sport, or Music DVDs etc.. I like to have the choice -- and watching the Simpsons 43" big is quite a sight -- a 4:3 image on a 40" WS telly won't be near as big :D
One annoying thing about the widescreen Toshiba RPs is that, in 4:3 mode (which I rarely use), the bars on the left and right of the picture are light grey in colour. That's obviously quite distracting in the dark. Fortunately, the Toshibas also tend to have pretty good 'just' modes that do not obviously stretch the picture as much as some other manufacturers (my old Panasonic 32" was awful in this respect, the 'just' mode made people look really short and fat, and was quite unwatchable until I made some adjustments in the 'service menu').
Bapapapa
03-04-2001, 19:37
Henry, some Yanks over at www.hometheaterforum.com (http://www.hometheaterforum.com) & www.hometheatertalk.com (http://www.hometheatertalk.com) have actually made black mattes which they attach to their RPTVs with velcro to mask the distracting grey bars.
So which is the better value for money the 40PW03B OR 40WH08B? Can you see the difference between them?
The PW03 doesn't have: component inputs, 100 Hz processing, Dolby Digital sound. You really don't need the 100 Hz processing because the picture is very stable as it is. The Dolby Digital sound is very good but it's a waste of money if you already have your own amp or intend to upgrade in the future. So the only thing I would miss is the component inputs because they do offer a slight but noticeable improvement over RGB.
So the WH08 is the (slightly) better set but the PW03 is better value, especially if you don't need the built-in surround sound.
[ 03 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
SimonInd
04-04-2001, 11:34
Guys,
Thanks for your advice, I went to Tottenham Court Rd. last night and managed to find a shop with the 40WH08, 40PW03 and 43PJ93 almost side-by-side. They also had the Hitachi 43", Panasonic 47", Sony 41DS1 and 36" CRTs by Hitachi, Panasonic and Philips. After an initial good look at all that was on offer, the better half arrived ( she has aesthetic vito ) and we came to the following conclusions:
36" CRT is not much of an upgrade from a 29" 4:3 - The Philips had the best picture as far as we could see, however there seemed to be some digital processing artefacts on all of them.
The Hitachi was excellent but too expensive - with the exception of this, the Toshibas seemed to be the best rear-projectors.
No discernable difference between the 40WH08 and 40PW03 - watching 'squashed' TV transmissions. The 100HZ Natural processing was noticable when the contrast and sharpness where whacked up to near maximum ( which they were ). Light grey borders in 4:3 mode were as bad as they sound.
The 43PJ93 seemed to be less vertically sensitive than the widescreen sets, offered a much bigger picture, and the only flicker noticable was on the top line of a terrestrial widescreen-ish transmission - this seemed to be down to the signal rather than the TV ( the widescreen sets didn't show this line as they'd cropped it ).
The verdict: The 43PJ93 has it as for 4:3 performance ( over the other Toshibas ) and it's half the price of the Hitachi ( which may just have been better set up? ).
I have a couple of questions outstanding, does the 16:9 mode work with NTSC material ( I know some of the Sony 4:3 RPTVs have a problem with this )? and, how muc 'should' the cabinet cost as most places don't seem to advertise this? I am now on a quest for the 'deal of the gods'....
Cheers
Simon
P.S. For anyone interested, the prices on Tottenham Ct Rd were way in excess of Internet retailers...
APPRIA40WR
04-04-2001, 12:01
SimonInd: I have a couple of questions outstanding, does the 16:9 mode work with NTSC material...and, how muc 'should' the cabinet cost as most places don't seem to advertise this? I am now on a quest for the 'deal of the gods'....
I've never heard of any 16:9 problems with the Toshibas.
Contact Toshiba for a quote for the cabinet too as they some time list the price as a 'spare part' ie cheap(ish). Worth a try.
My mate bought his TV (55" Toshiba) via the internet (he was quoted a high £290 for the cabinet) and he eventually bought the cabinet from ScottishPower (shops mostly called Sound&Vision in Scotland) for £170 delivered. Toshiba were selling it for £180 + £20 delivery.
Did you have any thought about the Toshiba 37"? Massive set and of course no tube replacement after 3-5 years. Built in Dolby DIgital and a fab TV. I paid around £1000 for mine. Cabinet (it comes as standard I think) isn't massive but you could always upgrade. Review here (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Televisions/Toshiba/Toshiba3787DB.shtml).
Good luck with the bargain quest!
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[ 04 April 2001: Message edited by: APPRIA40WR ]
SimonInd
04-04-2001, 15:14
Guys,
Thanks for your advice, I went to Tottenham Court Rd. last night and managed to find a shop with the 40WH08, 40PW03 and 43PJ93 almost side-by-side. They also had the Hitachi 43", Panasonic 47", Sony 41DS1 and 36" CRTs by Hitachi, Panasonic and Philips. After an initial good look at all that was on offer, the better half arrived ( she has aesthetic vito ) and we came to the following conclusions:
36" CRT is not much of an upgrade from a 29" 4:3 - The Philips had the best picture as far as we could see, however there seemed to be some digital processing artefacts on all of them.
The Hitachi was excellent but too expensive - with the exception of this, the Toshibas seemed to be the best rear-projectors.
No discernable difference between the 40WH08 and 40PW03 - watching 'squashed' TV transmissions. The 100HZ Natural processing was noticable when the contrast and sharpness where whacked up to near maximum ( which they were ). Light grey borders in 4:3 mode were as bad as they sound.
The 43PJ93 seemed to be less vertically sensitive than the widescreen sets, offered a much bigger picture, and the only flicker noticable was on the top line of a terrestrial widescreen-ish transmission - this seemed to be down to the signal rather than the TV ( the widescreen sets didn't show this line as they'd cropped it ).
The verdict: The 43PJ93 has it as for 4:3 performance ( over the other Toshibas ) and it's half the price of the Hitachi ( which may just have been better set up? ).
I have a couple of questions outstanding, does the 16:9 mode work with NTSC material ( I know some of the Sony 4:3 RPTVs have a problem with this )? and, how muc 'should' the cabinet cost as most places don't seem to advertise this? I am now on a quest for the 'deal of the gods'....
Cheers
Simon
P.S. For anyone interested, the prices on Tottenham Ct Rd were way in excess of Internet retailers...
CountSatyr
04-04-2001, 15:30
I looked around for quite a while for a 100Hz RPTV and at first narrowed my choices to the Sony and Tosh. However by chance I got a look at what Thomson was offering. I do not know if they sell Thomson in the UK but in the US they are known at RCA.
In any case I found the image quality to be just as good and the prices to be allot more competitive. They have a spanking good 44" RPTV that has won the EISA award for the same price as the Tosh and Sony. Even better was the 52" that was offered at a greatly reduced price.
The reason for the reduced prices is because the Thomson brand is not very well known.
On a side note RCA have been making RPTV for quite a while now so they do have the necessary experience.
Simon, I can guarantee that any of the TVs you saw will look MUCH BETTER when they are given a decent source, properly set up in your living room (which you can do quite easily yourself) and you're sitting at the right distance. The 16:9 mode works without any problems with NTSC material (at least on my 43"), and TJ will be able to confirm this. Was the shop you went to the one that's spread over 2 floors, near and on the same side of the road as the cinema?
Not sure about the guarantee because I've never needed it, but I guess an engineer will try to fix the probelm on site before you have to return it.
you lot are convincing me to buy a RP tv now, after looking long and hard for a poxy CRT i am now swinging toward the RP. DAMN YOU ALL!!!!!!
I have a question though. Is the stand worth it? i have a rather large TV stand anyway (from ikia) and its nice. i have a lot of kit to fit in and if i can only fit a VCR/DVD player and a pace box in the proper stand do i REALLY need it?
Also which <=43" screen is being recommended here? Should i get a widescreen RP or a 4:3?
Should i only get a nicam sterio one and just get myself a 5.1 capabable amp?
double post
[ 04 April 2001: Message edited by: Frustin ]
SimonInd
04-04-2001, 18:16
The Toshiba 43PJ93B is being recommended ( 43" NICAM 4:3 ) however the merits of the 40PW03 and 40WH08 ( 50Hz NICAM and 100HZ Dolby Digital respectively ) 40" 16:9 sets have also been discussed above. Personally I'd get a 5.1 amp ( I have one ) and then buy the TV for the screen alone as the technology of sound formats 5.1/6.1 ES/EX/Discrete seems to be moving more quickly than anything else and you're more likely to replace/upgrade your amp before your TV...
Also most of the TVs don't support dts so you'd be missing out on that as well.
Unfortunately the TV I was going to get has been sold so I'll have to wait a week until they get some more stock....perhaps this discussion is stimulating trade?
Cheers
Simon
I never thought I would cause so many people to part with there money !!!! (I should have bought a batch and sold them !!!)
I agree with the cabinet issue, has anyone got a picture!!!
Originally posted by tj_director:
<STRONG>monsta, did it arrive today??
:)</STRONG>
It came yesterday & so did I ;). I'm _very_ impressed, but to be honest it's a little too big for the room I've got it in. I'm gonna have to juggle the room around to find a better viewing arrangement.
Top tip:- make sure that you actually go see the size of the set and stand before you purchase it Measurents are all well and good but the size of the footprint alone doesn't give you enough information - you need to see one in the flesh
tj_director
04-04-2001, 20:27
Originally posted by monsta:
<STRONG>It came yesterday & so did I ;). I'm _very_ impressed, but to be honest it's a little too big for the room I've got it in. I'm gonna have to juggle the room around to find a better viewing arrangement.
</STRONG>
COOL!!
yep it is pretty big!! especially with the stand. Fortunately I was able to get hold of the measurements beforehand, and spent a good day with a mate completely rearanging my room. That meant totally dismantaling a wardrobe and a lot more. I also had to put into consideration the acoustics as i'd be fitting a sound system in here!!
ANOTHER TOP TIP: turn the TV off, dim the lights, and just gawk at the TV, it's like a monolith from 2001!! Also put some house plants around the place, it somehow gives a Home Cinema feeling - don't know why, just does ?? :D
tj_director
04-04-2001, 20:44
Originally posted by SimonInd:
<STRONG>
I have a couple of questions outstanding, does the 16:9 mode work with NTSC material ( I know some of the Sony 4:3 RPTVs have a problem with this )? and, how muc 'should' the cabinet cost as most places don't seem to advertise this?
</STRONG>
Ok good news.
The 16:9 mode works a treat, unlike 4:3 modes on the WS Tvs, the bars aren't grey, but deep black. On 2.35:1 films, you may see a slight difference in colour with the black lines -- but it's only during dark scenes, and even still, it really isn't distracting!.
Unlike other 16:9 modes, this is really good, usually there is a white line or something, but that just isn't the case -- it's essentially a fully fledged WS TV.
GOOD NEWS -- NTSC works perfectly!! in fact i prefer it to PAL. For some reason PAL pictures are slightly narrower. e.g
HEIGHT OF a 2.35:1 NTSC picture is 14.8" high, but on a PAL picture it is 14.5"!!
ok now this isn't a huge difference. I think it's because of the higher resolution of PAL. So whereas on some sets NTSC image is slightly liney and stretched (like watching a non-anamph image) here it is the complete opposite. It seems as if the 16:9 mode was designed with NTSC in mind - as I personally find NTSC looks better on my TV!!!
It can be a bit annoying for me sometimes when i watch R2, as it does seem very 'slightly' squashed. But after 10 mins, you completely forget about it - and it really isn't a big deal. I must remind you people that i can be very picky when it comes to picture.. VERY !
(btw i'm watching Bug's Life right now, and it looks ********** gorgeous!! even with the lights turned on, and curtains open!! looks like heaven when you turn the lights off!)
I'd love for someone to confirm this NTSC and PAL height difference... could anyone measure the image on their TV, either RPTV or CRT??
so to sum things up Simon... no troubles at all with ANY picture on the 16:9 mode :D
I received my Tosh 43PJ93B last week at it is everything I expected & more. The cabinet has a slightly strange configuration in that one side is wider than the other. The left-hand side is only wide enough to fit Sky digibox-sized equipment (not the Sony though!) whereas the right fits standard video/amp sized equipment.
I have had to modify the stand slightly to fit all my kit in so that both sides are the same width. Obviously it depends on the size & amount of equipment you will be putting into the cabinet.
tj_director
04-04-2001, 21:01
Originally posted by SimonInd:
<STRONG>The Toshiba 43PJ93B is being recommended ( 43" NICAM 4:3 ) however the merits of the 40PW03 and 40WH08 ( 50Hz NICAM and 100HZ Dolby Digital respectively ) 40" 16:9 sets have also been discussed above. Personally I'd get a 5.1 amp ( I have one ) and then buy the TV for the screen alone as the technology of sound formats 5.1/6.1 ES/EX/Discrete seems to be moving more quickly than anything else and you're more likely to replace/upgrade your amp before your TV...
Simon</STRONG>
ok guys, for those who are looking into all this RPTV, and are wondering whether to go for WS or 4:3 -- i'll try sum things up for you.
Sound It's recommended to buy a seperate sound system anyway. Don't be attraced to a set just because it offers Dolby Digital 5.1 , while the quality will be good, it just won't compare to a seperates system. And as Simon said, hardly any TVs support DTS and other formats -- so put this into consideration if you are someone who wants to take full advatage of Home Cinema sound.
My TV is Nicam, and the quality is actually pretty good, but I hardly ever use it. All the sound goes through my amp, and plain Pro-Logic TV sounds much better than it would going through the TV.
4:3 or 16:9 --- a 4:3 image on a WS set won't be as big, and as mentioned the Grey bars on the side can be annoying. A 16x9 image is the same size and quality on the 4:3 TV, give or take an inch or two.
I personally think the 43PJ93B is a better looking set, I don't like that huge front panel on the WS sets -- but that's my preference!.
But as Monsta mentioned the 43PJ93B is a BIG TV, so put into consideration how much room you have -- you may not want a TV to totally dominate the skyline in your room.
100hz? it seems that having 100hz isn't necersarily the best thing. The image can become too processed, and may not look natural (?) I don't have 50/100hz, and the picture is perfectly stable -- i have NEVER seen any flickering of any sort, not even when watching Terrestial TV through an aerial.
What i hate with some WS CRT is that digital artefact look -- and that's why i went for RPTV, as it looks more natural, and more like the CRT TVs i grew up with.
MY SET UP
43PJ93B
Pioneer NS-DV55 System
couldn't ask for anything more! :D
Originally posted by tj_director:
<STRONG>HEIGHT OF a 2.35:1 NTSC picture is 14.8" high, but on a PAL picture it is 14.5"!!
I must remind you people that i can be very picky when it comes to picture.. VERY ! </STRONG>
'Picky' isn't the word I would use! ;)
I don't think the difference in picture height in PAL and NTSC is deliberate. The TV is calibrated in the factory for different signals and very few are perfect. But I think it can be adjusted quite easily in the service mode, if you dare.
tj_director
04-04-2001, 21:14
Originally posted by Frustin:
<STRONG>
I have a question though. Is the stand worth it? i have a rather large TV stand anyway (from ikia) and its nice. i have a lot of kit to fit in and if i can only fit a VCR/DVD player and a pace box in the proper stand do i REALLY need it?
Also which <=43" screen is being recommended here? Should i get a widescreen RP or a 4:3?
Should i only get a nicam sterio one and just get myself a 5.1 capabable amp?</STRONG>
I can only comment on the 43PJ93B, and i'd say the stand is VITAL. I can give internal measurements if you like, so you can check whether your kit would fit. There is ample room for 4 pieces of equipment. And a glass door fronts.
It's designed specifically for the TV, and matches it percectly, and is well made (self-assembly), so no worries about the TV falling off or anything.
Most importantly it has wheels -- which are really VITAL -- as it makes moving the darn thing a doddle.
I paid £40 for it, when i brought it with the TV. £1170, total, including delivery.
Although it seems prices haven't changed, and in some cases have actually INCREASED slightly!!!
(maybe because of this thread.. not everyone who reads it replies btw!)
Really you shouldn't have to pay more than £100 for the stand. But at £40, i'd say it's a MUST!!
For those who aren't able to see one for real, I'll be more than happy to take a few photos on my digital camera, and email them to anyone who's interested in seeing what the whole thing looks like!! :D
tj_director
04-04-2001, 21:21
Originally posted by Golo:
<STRONG>Just to throw a couple of pennies into the discussion. My mate bought the toshiba 41" rear projection set and I have to say the picture is a disgrace. The sides of the screen are badly out of focus and no amount of convergance adjustment has saved them. Ghosting images with lot's of movement. It's the head height that's the problem also. Not just the angle you are siting to the side. If you move your head up and down slightly you can see the brightness change to such a degree that you can't quite get a happy medium.
...</STRONG>
got to agree with Henry, your mate has a dud set!! when did he buy it? only old models have poor angle of viewing.
and what is that replace the screen??
i can only imagine you mean, you have to do the convergance ever few hours. Yes you have to do it everytime you turn on the TV -- but not evry few hours -- and even still, it's not that necersary.
I myself do it every time i put a DVD in, not out of necessity, but more out of habit. :)
What? You adjust the convergence every time you watch a DVD? What for? You really don't need to unless the TV has been moved about or something. It doesn't do any harm, but it really is unnecessary (but you've said that yourself :) ).
I usually check mine every few months (out of habit) but rarely need to make any adjustments. The convergence remains spot-on, so I leave it alone! Mustn't scare off any potential RP buyers! <font size=-3 color="#f7f7f7">
[ 04 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
tj_director
04-04-2001, 21:33
Originally posted by Henry:
<STRONG>'Picky' isn't the word I would use! ;)
I don't think the difference in picture height in PAL and NTSC is deliberate. The TV is calibrated in the factory for different signals and very few are perfect. But I think it can be adjusted quite easily in the service mode, if you dare.</STRONG>
more like 'anaily retentive' with a 'tight fist' to measure :D
Service Mode -- I dare not!! :)
tj_director
04-04-2001, 21:39
Originally posted by Henry:
<STRONG>Mustn't scare off any potential RP buyers! ;)</STRONG>
Did i forget to mention that new reports suggest the CRT projection system may be responsible for creating radiation leading to impotence and baldness is the male population??
I really don't care about all this though, having children isn't important to me, and i certainly ain't bothered about having any hair -- but that's me, though potential RPTV owners may be different to me, and may want to put these medical issues into consideration.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
where did you get it and did you get warrente and which one did you get and how much was it
No full stops!
All the information you need has already been covered. Standard warranty is one year.
sorry about that i have read it all, that comment above was for someone in the previous page :)
Rainfall
04-04-2001, 22:48
God I wish I was in my old flat,I could then have a RPTV again.There just to big for where I live now :( .
Originally posted by Henry:
<STRONG>Sounds like there's something wrong with your mate's set. Did he get a Toshiba engineer to have a look? Both my widescreen and 4:3 Tosh RPs are very much in focus, and the anamophic modes are definitely true anamorphic. Why would the screen need to be replaced? :confused: </STRONG>
I hope there is something wrong for his sake. I'd be gutted if there wasn't. The manual actualy states that the screen should be replaced and the old screen disposed of correctly. WTF? but it honestly does say that. :eek:
Originally posted by tj_director:
<STRONG>got to agree with Henry, your mate has a dud set!! when did he buy it? only old models have poor angle of viewing.
and what is that replace the screen??
i can only imagine you mean, you have to do the convergance ever few hours. Yes you have to do it everytime you turn on the TV -- but not evry few hours -- and even still, it's not that necersary.
I myself do it every time i put a DVD in, not out of necessity, but more out of habit. :)</STRONG>
Whoops, didn't see this one. The viewing angle is very good. Either side of the set is fine, but move up or down slightly and you can see the glare from the bulbs movingup and down the screen. To me this means there are brighter spots in the centre of the picture. Your both right, it must be his set.
No way would I be wanting to adjust the convergance every time I switched it on and B@lls to every few hours.
How do these RP sets compare to FP systems these days? I appreciate the FP sets will be more expensive and need extreme low light conditions.
Either side of the set is fine, but move up or down slightly and you can see the glare from the bulbs movingup and down the screen. To me this means there are brighter spots in the centre of the picture.
I do notice a change in brightness when I stand up. But normal head movement, stretching, etc during a film is not a problem at all. How close are you sitting from the set? Sounds like you may be too close.
How do these RP sets compare to FP systems these days?
I have a 6 year old Sony front projector and my 56" Toshiba RP is easily as good, minus the fan noise and the lighting restrictions. If I have the money I would get a Barco projector (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/VideoProjectors/Barco/BarcoCine7.shtml), but they're more expensive than the car I drive! <font size=-3 color="#dedfdf">
[ 04 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Originally posted by Henry:
<STRONG>
I do notice a change in brightness when I stand up. But normal head movement, stretching, etc during a film is not a problem at all. How close are you sitting from the set? Sounds like you may be too close.
I have a 6 year old Sony front projector and my 56" Toshiba RP is easily as good, minus the fan noise and the lighting restrictions. If I have the money I would get a Barco projector, but they're more expensive than the car I drive!</STRONG>
His settee is around 3metres or so away from the centre of the screen. I appreciate what you say about 'normal' head movements but I wouldn't have thought you should be able to notice this change without standing up or something. If you freeze the picture and nod, you can see the difference.
A box of cigarettes is more expensive than my car. What a pile it is.
:o
3 metres is a good viewing distance for a 40" screen, so something is definitely not right.
tj_director
05-04-2001, 01:05
i only notice the brightness change when i lie on the ground, or when i'm standing up quite close to it. Head movements are negligble -- your mates' TV sounds odd - it must be a special TV. :)
Just to throw a couple of pennies into the discussion. My mate bought the toshiba 41" rear projection set and I have to say the picture is a disgrace. The sides of the screen are badly out of focus and no amount of convergance adjustment has saved them. Ghosting images with lot's of movement. It's the head height that's the problem also. Not just the angle you are siting to the side. If you move your head up and down slightly you can see the brightness change to such a degree that you can't quite get a happy medium.
:confused: You have to replace the screen after so many hours (honest).
:confused: The bulbs need replacing.
:confused: I'm sure it is not a true anamorphic picture. It looks more like it is stretching the picture left and right instead of compressing it vertically. What do they do, bend the mirror?
:confused: It's always out of focus (IMO compared to a CRT TV)
Bad idea in my mind. £1200-2000? what's that all about? Anyway, just my two peneth as I said.
Sounds like there's something wrong with your mate's set. Did he get a Toshiba engineer to have a look? Both my widescreen and 4:3 Tosh RPs are very much in focus, and the anamophic modes are definitely true anamorphic. Why would the screen need to be replaced? :confused:
Simon, since you're in London (I'm not far from Tottenham Court Rd), you're more than welcome to take a look at my properly setup Toshiba (the widescreen one, the 4:3 is not in London).
SimonInd
05-04-2001, 04:39
The shop was Shasonic which is hardly an audio/videophile environment and yes, the TV's were all set up ( until I could change things ) with colour, brightness and contrast near maximum. The focusing and convergence seemed to be pretty good on the Toshibas ( the Thomson and Philps models they had were all over the place ).
I've been quoted £1210 including VAT,delivery (tonight) and stand, from somewhere else, so I may well take the plunge....
What's the deal with the Toshiba guarantee? will they come out to your house if anything goes wrong or does the TV have to be returned?
Cheers
Simon
I just had a look at a 43PJ93 and two 40PW03s right next to each other in Currys. The picture quality was totally different on each with one very fuzzy. No doubt they were not set up properly but how easy are they to change and how do you do it?
Is the 43 or 40 inch Toshiba too big for a room 14ft by 16ft? I'd like a big sceen but would the quality imperfections show up too much. :)
Rainfall
07-04-2001, 19:13
Originally posted by Timm:
<STRONG>Is the 43 or 40 inch Toshiba too big for a room 14ft by 16ft? I'd like a big sceen but would the quality imperfections show up too much. :)</STRONG>
Timm,I sold mine 40"w/s tosh because the sitting spot was only 9ft to screen,in my old place It was 15ft and had no prob's.
The 43" looks great at 12 ft for me.
Originally posted by Timm:
<STRONG>I just had a look at a 43PJ93 and two 40PW03s right next to each other in Currys. The picture quality was totally different on each with one very fuzzy. No doubt they were not set up properly but how easy are they to change and how do you do it?</STRONG>
It's quite easy really. The convergence is adjusted via the remote. You'll get some crosses on the screen which you can align (much simpler than it sounds and can be done in less than 10 minutes even for a first-timer. It's much easier in the dark). Once the convergence is set you don't really need to readjust it again. The brigtness and contrast should both be set to below 50 (out of 100). It'll take you some time to find your own perfect settings but the result is well worth the effort.
Ok, so I'm thinking about the 43 inch. At the moment my 28inch sits on a cabinet so the bottom of the picture is at about 45cms. If I sit the 43 inch on the floor I reckon the bottom of the picture will be at 35cm making the overall height not much more, so minimising impact for the misses. Is this ok or is the stand essential? All my equipment is in another cabinet.
Unless you're well over 6 ft or have an unusually high couch, or want to watch TV while standing up, the stand isn't really necessary, especially if you already have a separate cabinet.
[ 09 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
BOZZDUDE
08-04-2001, 22:12
I've torn myself away from mine to thank everyone in this thread whos been fabing RPTV's.I got the 40" WS and it is superb,it gives a good picture with terestrial telly and an excellent picture with Sky Digital but i got it mainly for my DVD,s and i must say its amazing.Gladiators been on countless times since Tuesday. :)
One question though,i have it connected to my player by composite to scart and s-video, now i would have thought s-video would give the best picture but it doesn't.To me when i switch to s-video the picture looks dotty for want of a better word.Is this normal for this type of TV?
Cheers BOZZDUDE
Originally posted by BOZZDUDE:
<STRONG>I've torn myself away from mine to thank everyone in this thread whos been fabing RPTV's.I got the 40" WS and it is superb,it gives a good picture with terestrial telly and an excellent picture with Sky Digital but i got it mainly for my DVD,s and i must say its amazing.Gladiators been on countless times since Tuesday.
One question though,i have it connected to my player by composite to scart and s-video, now i would have thought s-video would give the best picture but it doesn't.To me when i switch to s-video the picture looks dotty for want of a better word.Is this normal for this type of TV?
</STRONG>
I'm happy that you're happy :)
I'm not quite sure how you're connecting the DVD player to the TV. Using a scart-to-scart connection would be the best way (is that what you're using? or are you using a S-video cable?). Don't forget you'll also have to select 'S-video out' on the DVD player's setup menu and 'S-video in' on the TV's setup menu.
S-video should look significantly better than composite so something isn't quite right, but it's likely to be a problem with the settings/cabling rather than anything wrong with your TV. <font size=-3 color="#f7f7f7">
[ 08 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
BOZZDUDE
08-04-2001, 22:54
My DVD player has no scart output just composite,s-video and YUV.I connect at the moment using a lead that connects the composite and the audio outputs to a scart connector.I have also tried a new s-video cable which is when it looks dotty(everything set to s-video).Doesn't realy matter as i am more than happy with the composite picture, infact it's hard to see how s-video could possibly improve on it.
Just thought it may be something to do with RPTV's.
BOZZDUDE
It could be your DVD player's S-video output that's causing the problem. A lot of reviews talk about the poor 'chroma crosstalk' of the S-video signal of many (including some high-end) players.
If you think it looks good now, you may be pleasantly surprised when you try RGB. <font size=-3 color="#f7f7f7">
[ 08 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
BOZZDUDE
08-04-2001, 23:47
Thanks Henry, sorted the s-video now, i have to physicaly disconnect the composite plug and the dots disappear. :)
What is RGB though?Is it the YUV connections as the manual for my player states this connection will give better picture quality than s-video.The connection has 3 plugs labeled Y,CB AND CR, my Tosh however only has scart and s-video connecters.Does this therefore render YUV useless to me or is some kind of YUV to scart lead available.
Cheers BOZZDUDE
Damn, didn't think of that. (But I did say it was a cabling problem, didn't I? ;) )
Those YUV sockets are component outputs which are similar to RGB but different. There are no YUV to scart adapters because they're incompatiable so the only you can use them would be to change your TV!<font size=-3 color="#f7f7f7">
[ 09 April 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
BOZZDUDE
09-04-2001, 00:10
Thanks again for the help Henry.Looks like i'll be sticking with s-video as it does give an improvment over composite which i didn't think was possible, so i'm happy. :D
BOZZDUDE
SimonInd
09-04-2001, 14:30
Firstly a note of thanks to all of the people on this thread who pushed me into my recent purchase - a brand new Toshiba 43PJ93B and stand was delivered on Saturday.
What can I say? The picture is fantastic! As predicted it looks so much better in your lounge than I ever saw in a shop, I'm sitting 3m away and on it's cabinet it's a monster. As far as the cabinet discussion goes, I found that without the cabinet it was a few inches below optimum height, you could barely see the screen if you stood up to leave the room, whereas on the stand, it dominates the room but the picture is definately bettter.
Over the weekend I tried all sorts of DVD's, from a Region 0 Hong Kong DVD of the Killer ( hardly great quality ) to R2 Gladiator, R1 The Insider and R2 South Park. Everything I threw at it looked superb and, unlike by old Sony 29" 4:3 set, the auto 16:9 switching worked on all 3 scart inputs for either RGB or S-Video.
The only downside is because the image is so big, you really notice the difference between the programmes transmitted on TV. I have an excellent (analogue) signal and each channel has looked great when transmitting a film but some of the programmes are obviously recorded on video ( NTSC video for some of C5's output by the look of things ) and these do show their limitations when blown up to this size - I think I'll need to set up one of the Picture modes for DVD ( high contrast, sharpness etc ) and another for TV with more conservative settings and perhaps NR turned on. I'm getting ON Digital sometime soon ( £50 offer from Powerhouse - see the bargain forum ) so we'll see if that's any better...
Anyway, enough of my rambling, I'm off to investigate building a high quality video interconnect ( between my DVD player and the TV ) as I now have a screen worthy of this effort....
Thanks again to all who contributed in this discussion, I am one happy camper....
Simon
O.K, After having a good look at the Tosh 43" 4:3 at my local Currys, i'm sold (even thoug I was considering a 32" CRT).
Just a couple of Q's I need to ask you knowledgable fellows (rather than the muppet at Curry's):
1) Inteference from non-shielded loudspeakers
I assume RPs dont suffer from the same interference as CRTs when placed too close together, as due to the HUGE size of this telly it would have to be pretty close to my two front speakers
2) Centre speaker placement
Where do you guys put your centre? Surely it would be too high up above the screen? I see the Sony 41" has centre channel inputs, so you can use hthe TVs speakers as a centre, does the Tosh have the same?
3) The Stand
Do I really need the stand? I have a nice stand that I bought from Ikea only 6 months ago, it measures 41"W x 19"D x 15"H and it holds 4 components. It'd be a shame to have to get rid. Will the beast fit on top, and would it be at a suitable height?
Otherwise, a great thread. Made me get off my arse and take a look at a couple of RPs that I hadn't even considered b4.
Thanks folks.
Originally posted by Budge:
<STRONG>Do I really need the stand? I have a nice stand that I bought from Ikea only 6 months ago, it measures 41"W x 19"D x 15"H and it holds 4 components. It'd be a shame to have to get rid. Will the beast fit on top, and would it be at a suitable height?
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I think it's more a case of could the stand you have take the weight of the TV?
tj_director
10-04-2001, 04:24
Originally posted by Budge:
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Just a couple of Q's I need to ask you knowledgable fellows (rather than the muppet at Curry's):
2) Centre speaker placement
Where do you guys put your centre? Surely it would be too high up above the screen? I see the Sony 41" has centre channel inputs, so you can use hthe TVs speakers as a centre, does the Tosh have the same?
3) The Stand
Do I really need the stand? I have a nice stand that I bought from Ikea only 6 months ago, it measures 41"W x 19"D x 15"H and it holds 4 components. It'd be a shame to have to get rid. Will the beast fit on top, and would it be at a suitable height?
Otherwise, a great thread. Made me get off my arse and take a look at a couple of RPs that I hadn't even considered b4.
Thanks folks.</STRONG>
Can't answer Q1 -- but i doubt it as SO many people who own them also have non-shielded speakers next to the telly -- But i'm only guessing.
Q2: I've placed mine on the top, in fact my TV looks strange without it! as it suits it perfectly. And it's no different than if the sound came from the TV speakers -- you can place a centre speaker top or bottom, it won't really make too much difference. If it means anything -- the fact it's perched up so high, gives the sound more room to travel (?) I tested with the speaker at the bottom, and i prefer it on top. Don't worry it still sounds as if the sound is coming from the screen, if you know what i mean :)
As far as i know you can't use the TV speakers as a centre speaker.
Q3: the size of your Stand seems ok, and would you belive it, the RPTV doesn't actually wieght that much!! i think it's only around 50kg. Me and my mate had no trouble in carrying it up the stairs! So I think it's just a question of whether you think your Stand will match it nicely. Actually the measurement are virtually the same, so no worries about height.
The stand is designed specially for the TV, it holds it securely in place, and makes moving it around a doddle. It also matches it like a dream, and at only £40 extra -- I suppose you could always buy it, and keep it stored away, as you may decide to use it one day???
Hope you take the plunge like Simon, and see for yourself just what a sexy beast it is :D
SimonInd
10-04-2001, 13:30
I've set up my floorstanders so that the right speaker is about a foot from the edge of the screen ( my room is quite small ), my amp etc. is to the left of the TV, then my left speaker. There is a warning about non-sheilded speakers in the manual but as the CRTs are going to be fairly central, there's a fair bit of box to get through as well as fresh air.
The proximity of my front speakers to the TV means I have not bothered with a centre, the imaging and bass is too good without one...also Epos don't make one at the moment!
As far as the stand goes, I was quite happy to stump up the extra few quid as I didn't want to be in the situation of trying to track one down in a few months/years time. I will also probably be keeping the stand in place as the picture is definately better when slightly above you... As tj_director said, the TV is securely held in place ( ther are locating indents for the TV's feet on the top of the cabinet ) and as it's on castors, you can move it around very easily...
I paid £1200 inc. stand and delivery from RGB ( http://www.rgbhifiandvideo.co.uk), the only other place that came close in price was HiFi Confidential....
Happy hunting
Simon
garliadr
10-04-2001, 17:49
I have been thinking about getting a toshiba RP for some time and after reading this thread over the last couple of days I have finally taken the plunge. This morning I ordered a 40PW03B from Sound & Vision for £1150 including the stand and sub. It arrives tomorrow! :D :D :D :D
Back again folks, with another "small" request :)
Would any of you Tosh 43" 4:3 owners care to run a tape measure over their telly and give me some dimensions?
H x D x W (with and without stand)
Much appreciated!
P.S: Sound and Vision said they'd give me 6 months interest free on it, so if it fits, it's sold! :)
tj_director
11-04-2001, 22:40
Budge, you can find out on Toshiba's website, but heck that's what the forums are for!! I'd rather find out from someone here anyday :D
the TV itself
37" wide
42" high
18"deep
It is basically one big box with a wedge missing out the back, imagine it from sideways
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the stand is more or less the same dimension WxD. It raises the TV apporx. 18" from the ground. So in total it is 57" high. The bottom of the screen itself is 30" from the ground.
And unlike CRTs the 43" is a fully fledged 43 inches, so yes the screen is 43" wide diagonally :)
A depth of 18" is really nothing is it? just over 45cms, which is less than most CRTs!!
So now convince me, so I don't regret it later, that a 43 inch is better than a SharpXVE-Z20E projector which is about the same money but will give a larger picture. I need the cinema effect (without the pop-corn, or noisy people, or travelling).
I haven't seen the Sharp, but I know that it's a LCD projector rather than the superior but much bulkier and more expensive CRT alternative. What you'll find inside the Toshiba is essentially a modified CRT projector which will produce a smoother picture, with better contrast, colours and truer blacks, than a LCD projector. It's also much more convenient - I've hardly used my projector since I got my RPTV 2 years ago.
I really depends whether your priority is size or quality. Another factor to consider is the noise that comes from the fan of the LCD projector, which I find very distracting, particularly when I'm watching a 'quite' film.
I have a quick question which I hope someone can answer.
When you are watching scrolling images in widescreen mode on the 40" Tosh. Ie on Sky Sports.com etc. Is the scrolling text smooth and of constant speed?
I ask because I have the Philips 36" CRT and I hate the picture. Scrolling images in widescreen start moving from the edge and speed up 2" from the edge(distort/get wider) from the edge then slow to normal speed/width in the middle.
This is not apparant in 4:3 mode.
I hate this so much I have a good mind to smash the set into pieces and buy the Tosh 40" RP set.
Any comments would be very welcome (btw I swapped the first set because of this but the replacement was the same so I presumed at the time this was the price you paid for the 36" widescreen picture!!!)
Bapapapa
18-04-2001, 01:02
Dekim - I suspect the reason you're getting that effect is due to the stretching of the picture necessary for a 4:3 image to fill a 16x9 screen.
I'm afraid, unless you go back to a 4:3 set or until every transmission is broadcast as 16x9 then you will always get that effect.
I've learnt to live with it.
Thanks for the reply Bapapapa.
I would also say that widescreen pictures also seem to distort as you mentioned. This to me is very apparant on pictures with slow/medium scrolling or panning. Now that i'm aware of it i'm constantly looking out for it.
I thought it was only my Phillips set, are you saying this exists on all widescreen TV,s?
I presume some TV's must handle it better than others?
Another question :-
Has anyone watched a football match on one of these Toshiba RSP TV's? I have to say my Philips 36" looks terrible on Sky Digital. You can hardly make out the players as the quality of picture is so poor.
The worse thing is how the grass looks. When it scrolls it all goes blurred as the digital processing cannot handle it and thinks the grass is in fact noise and tries to smooth it out!! And all the playes and the football have a black shadow to the side and nothing appears sharp.
I would be interested in anyones comments
SimonInd
27-04-2001, 11:14
Has anyone watched a football match on one of these Toshiba RSP TV's? I have to say my Philips 36" looks terrible on Sky Digital. You can hardly make out the players as the quality of picture is so poor.
The worse thing is how the grass looks. When it scrolls it all goes blurred as the digital processing cannot handle it and thinks the grass is in fact noise and tries to smooth it out!! And all the playes and the football have a black shadow to the side and nothing appears sharp.
I haven't had any such problems with my 43PJ93B but that may be due to the fact that it's 50Hz and doesn't try to 'improve' the picture using digital gadgetry. One of the reasons I was happy to go for a 50Hz set rather than a 100Hz one ( e.g. 40WH08 which has been getting all of the rave reviews ) was that I felt the digital processing did nothing for the quality of the picture, especially with a good source, and if anything had a negative effect.
I imagine that 100Hz RP sets will suffer in the same way that CRTs do, however I could be wrong?
Simon
Thanks for the reply simon, i'll have to look into this further.
Just to keep this thread going... :(
Got my Tosh 43 last week (haven't been out since!), and I must say, its great.
Just a couple of points:
1) Its Big.
This may sound silly, but it seems a lot bigger when you get it, even though i'd spent hours measuring up.
2) It shows up bad recordings.
I have to agree with the previous poster about the poor quality of Sky Sport's football coverage. I have OnDig, and while i'm convinced that Sky supply them with a bad feed on purpose, the footy does look quite pixelated(?). Old VCR recordings don't look too great either. BUT, this is more than compensated by the brilliance of the picture when fed with a good signal (ie: Dreamcast RGB output, DVD etc.). In many ways it looks better than a conventional CRT set.
Just my two-pennys worth..
P.S. Anybody got their Eltax sub yet, thru the mail-in offer? How much d'ya think I should sell it for? :)
what mail in offer was that mate ?
Dan Druff
03-05-2001, 17:54
[quote]Originally Posted by Henry
I really depends whether your priority is size or quality. Another factor to consider is the noise that comes from the fan of the LCD projector, which I find very distracting, particularly when I'm watching a 'quite' film.
I have the Sharp XV-C20E and to be perfectly honest I very rarely notice the fan noise (I've has no comments from any friends who have visited either about fan noise). The only disadvantage of front projection system is that the room really needs to be dark, but apart from that..I have a whiteboard cut to 1.66:1 which give a 6' image. Its permanently set up with a 4" black border all the way around to cut out excess light, so it's vasically like a huge TV, and size DOES matter, believe you me. I've never regretted buying it, it is superb. Watched North by Northwest the other night..WOW!!
I got a leaflet with my telly:
Mail your sales receipt off to Toshiba, and get an Eltax Subwoofer free.
Looks like it applies to all Tosh RPs.
Got mine from Sound & Vision, but it looks like a Toshiba offer.
Budge,
how much did it cost ya if you dont mind me asking.
cheers
Well,
S&V said they'd do it for £1150 with the stand, I enquired about credit, and they gave me 6 months for a further £50. (Work bonus in August :) )
So, £1200 all-in.
Thanks guys for a very informative thread.
Went to Comet who said they had one. Of course they didn't but wanted to sell me something else. Then popped in Tempo who had one with the poorest TV signal imaginable.
They wanted £1599 + £200 for stand (with free Tosh VCR)
Then phoned Sound and Vision and got 43inch + stand for £1140 delivered.
Happy and can't wait for the Thursday delivery.
well seeing i started the thread and still have not bought one !!!
minty, have you got a phone numnber for Sound and vision or a URL
cheers
There was a mention earlier in the thread of a service mode.
Anyone got any details for the Tosh 43PJ93B?
Ibster/Henry hope you both get sorted out OK
The Glasgow AV direct shop (URL previous in this thread) also advertises the TV for £1040 + £45 delivery (probably without stand).
I dont know why, but do the retailers keep changing there prices ? I just got qutoed 1340 from S & V which is 200 more then others ? leaves me wondering
I just spoke to Chris at S&V to order the stand for the Tosh 43" for £99 inc delivery. He was quite helpful so may be you should ask for him. Their prices do seem to go up and down. When I called a month ago, I was quoted £200 for the same stand!<font size=-3 color="#dedfdf">
[ 23 May 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Minty,
Thanks for the 'referral'.
You haven't even got the TV yet and you're already asking about the service mode?!!! :D
Chances are you won't need to use it at all. It's much more useful for the widescreen sets because there are so many picture modes (e.g. it's very useful for minimising the horizontal stretch in 'just' mode because there's a lot of overscan). There's comparatively little to adjust on a 4:3 set. Anyway, here's the secret code to access it:
Turn on TV normally
Press 'mute' on the remote
Hold down 'mute' on the remote and press the 'menu' button on the front of the TV once.
That's it! To get out of the service mode, you'll have to turn off the TV. And if you haven't messed things up too badly, you should be able to turn it on again. :D
[ 23 May 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Originally posted by ibster:
<STRONG>I dont know why, but do the retailers keep changing there prices ? I just got qutoed 1340 from S & V which is 200 more then others ? leaves me wondering</STRONG>
Ibster
I talked to them yesterday at 5pm
I said I wanted the 43 inch + stand and had a best quote of £1150.
Paul Baker (probably boss so can make these decisions) immediately offerred it for £1140 inc delivery.
Maybe it depends who you talk to. Try again.
Note that the 40inch widescreen is a different price if thats what you want. (a bit more expensive)
What do vhs recordings from say BBC1 look like on the 43inch? I would imagine that blowing them up this big would make them unwatchable, but please prove me wrong!
If you have a good picture to start with, then a recording doesn't look too bad even on a screen of this size. Quite grainy, but certainly not 'unwatchable'.
I was pleasantly surprised that even good old VHS doesn't look too bad on my 43 inch GLORIOUS TV (can you tell I'm happy with it).
Its no DVD quality or even OnDigital but its perfectly watchable.
It does pay to get a decent broadcast signal (i.e. decent aerial if necessary) because even good terristrial looks the business.
BTW get the stand (even though its a DIY job) it makes the viewing height much better from my sofa (well except when I'm passed out horizontal on the sofa :) )
Michael Brooke
31-05-2001, 15:00
Just a brief note to thank everyone who's contributed to this thread - I've just stopped renting a 32" widescreen and was looking to buy a straightforward replacement, but you've now pretty much collectively sold me on the Toshiba 43PJ93B!
Many thanks once again - I'll let you know if I have any problems with it once it arrives...
another one bites the dust !!!
still trying to get a good price, Ive tried serveral different accents now! I wonder when Sound and Vision start realising its me making all the calls !!!
SimonInd
01-06-2001, 13:22
RGB have it on their website (http://www.rgbhifiandvideo.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=139) for £1169 although when I ordered it ( a couple of months ago ) they included the stand and delivery for £1200. The other place that was cheap was HiFi Confidential in Victoria ( London ). No website but they advertise in the mags... I was going to get it from them ( same price ) but they didn't have one in stock....
I think £1150 is the best deal anyone has achieved so don't kill yourself trying to beat that! Remember every day you don't have the TV must have a price too...
Good luck, you won't regret it....
Simon
Ibster
I talked to Paul Baker at Sound and Vision and the conversation went like this:
Me: I want a Toshiba 43PJ93B with a stand. The best price I have at the moment is £1150 inc VAT and delivery from an internet supplier. Can you match this.
Him: Hold on....(15 secs pass) I can do it for £1140 all in.
Me: Thanks. Here's my CC details etc...
The point is, run the conversation and give them a target price to work with. It only took a few seconds of actual chat..
Maybe I was lucky with who I spoke to (think he may be the boss) as some of the guys may not be able to make that decision.
Anyway good luck.
[ 01 June 2001: Message edited by: minty ]
The rather good Toshiba 37" CRT set 3787DB is still available, and can be had for around the same price - includes Dolby Digital and 100W amp too (not that it will be as good as a seperates system though).
May be an option for those who would prefer a conventional CRT set.
It's big, but then so is the 43" RPTV.
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but how often do you need to replace the bulb(s)?
Is it one bulb, or three, and how much do they cost?
Now I'm thinking about getting a 43PJ93B...
anyone used it with a playstation ????
very tempted into getting one of these, quicky questions;
i) how well will it do wit playstation 2 games, or any console for that matter? Is there going to be a problem.
ii) slightly concerned about the image burning to the screen as mentioned on i think page 2 of this thread. Is it really a big issue? what precautions do people take to prevent this happening if say you are used to leaving MTV in the background for half the day?
i) how well will it do wit playstation 2 games, or any console for that matter? Is there going to be a problem.
I've used my N64 with my RPTV many times without any problems.
ii) slightly concerned about the image burning to the screen as mentioned on i think page 2 of this thread. Is it really a big issue? what precautions do people take to prevent this happening if say you are used to leaving MTV in the background for half the day?
It IS a potential problem and the only precaution would be NOT to leave MTV on for half the day.
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[ 05 June 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
ok, i do have my tv on pretty much all day so how long rest do you think it needs? Every sky channel pretty much has a logo now, i think the movies channel included so is wathcing a 3 hour movie ok with the logo there?
thanks for number 1, that is very good to hear.
jon smith
05-06-2001, 23:08
This thread has got me at it as well now. I have the 41 inch Sony TV (4:3) and having been looking for the Samsung widescreen - still trying to get hold of one.
I went to Tottenham Court Road today and ended up looking at the Tosh's - aarrgh, I already went through all this when I bought my SOny. I had actually ordered a Tosh and it didn't turn up, then got the Sony for a grand. Now i'm looking at The Tosh, it's all madness.
Does anyone know of any other RPTVs that don't come with a built in stand??
jon
Michael Brooke
06-06-2001, 04:12
Well, Sound & Vision are delivering my 43PJ93B on Thursday morning, so if you don't see me posting round here... you'll know why!
Congrats Michael!
You have succumbed to the dark side and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
How much did you pay (hopefully Ibster is listening and will finally buy one!).
Did you get the stand?
Take pity on the poor courier man as well.
Oh BTW I sent off my registration and received my free Eltax active sub-woofer a week later.
Anyone want it as I like my black Yamaha one rather than the Silver Eltax Atomic A8.
Michael Brooke
06-06-2001, 14:09
How much did you pay (hopefully Ibster is listening and will finally buy one!).
Did you get the stand?
I did indeed, and it came to £1190 all in - including delivery at a specific out-of-working-hours time, which cost a bit extra.
This also includes the subwoofer, so I think it was a bit of a bargain (especially compared to the £1500 (not including stand) it was going for at the shop that demonstrated it to me!
[ 08 June 2001: Message edited by: Michael Brooke ]
Michael Brooke
08-06-2001, 13:48
Well, I spent a very happy evening and night playing with it, and I can fully endorse what everyone else has been saying - not only did it look appreciably bigger than it did in the shop (in fact, if truth be told, 4:3 pictures are a little <U>too</U> big for my living room, though 16:9 and 2.35:1 are pretty well perfect) but the picture was also significantly sharper, largely because I took the trouble to set it up properly and used Toy Story 2 and Dinosaur as sources as opposed to the crappy broadcast signal being displayed in the shop.
It's certainly several orders of magnitude better than other RP TVs I've seen - until now, I've always associated them with slightly fuzzy pictures and poor colour definition, but that's absolutely not a problem here!
One slight problem, though - there was nothing in the box about this subwoofer offer, which I understand is on until the end of this month. Should I have got some kind of leaflet?
Glad you like your new toy. :)
Hope you manage to get the free subwoofer, too. (I bought mine a while ago so I don't know the details of the offer).
[ 08 June 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Just ordered one of these at £1140 from S&V.
I got him to confirm that the sub deal was on, he said it ends 30 June and that he would send me the leaflet to claim the sub separately. So Michael you might want to give them a ring.
One question for the owners of this tv can you fit a normal sized centre speaker on top of it? I had a look in comet and the top looks a bit narrow.
Cheers
A normal sized centre speaker will be fine. I've a bulky KEF on top of mine.
Originally posted by Michael Brooke:
<STRONG>One slight problem, though - there was nothing in the box about this subwoofer offer, which I understand is on until the end of this month. Should I have got some kind of leaflet?</STRONG>
There was an invoice in the bottom of the box (easily missed amongst the packing).
Stapled to the back is a Toshiba sub offer.
Well, hopefully there is!
[I had to rummage back through the packing of the TV to find it.]
The sub is an Eltax Atomic A8 in silver.
Michael Brooke
09-06-2001, 03:05
Nope - I got the invoice, but no leaflet. It doesn't matter, though,as they're sending it on.
silly question, but has this TV only got the widescreen mode? On WS TV's, I thought they had all sorts of wide, zoom, 16:9, etc....Does this one WS mode cater for all your anamorphic and other WS DVD's?
btw, I asked AV Shop Direct for a price of the stand - £120 - on top of the £1049.99.
TV has a size button which switches between 4:3 and 16:9 so you can have widescreen anamorphic.
Henry (I think) got the stand for £100 separate from Sound and Vision, FYI.
Get both for £1140 delivered at S&V
Oh and the AV direct web site price does not include £45 delivery
[ 09 June 2001: Message edited by: minty ]
Michael Brooke
09-06-2001, 23:58
silly question, but has this TV only got the widescreen mode? On WS TV's, I thought they had all sorts of wide, zoom, 16:9, etc....Does this one WS mode cater for all your anamorphic and other WS DVD's?
In a word, yes.
But bear in mind that these zooming and stretching modes are primarily designed for showing non-anamorphic discs conveniently, and since this isn't really an issue with this particular telly, you don't really need any of this. (You can stretch a 16:9 picture vertically so that it fills the 4:3 screen, but that looks hideous so I don't recommend it!)
And the biggest advantage of going back to 4:3 is that I no longer have the problem of subtitles being cropped off the bottom, which was a real pain, especially with Hong Kong DVDs where this was a common problem, which I could only solve by watching a tiny picture in 4:3 mode or by squeezing the bottom of the frame to fit the subtitles in, neither option being especially satisfactory.
I've lived with my telly for 48 hours now, and I'm still delighted - I still think the full 4:3 picture is a bit overwhelming, but widescreen pictures are a joy.
Rainfall
10-06-2001, 02:30
Originally posted by padders:
<STRONG>ok, i do have my tv on pretty much all day so how long rest do you think it needs? Every sky channel pretty much has a logo now, i think the movies channel included so is wathcing a 3 hour movie ok with the logo there?
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padders,its ok to have it on all day but don't leave it on the same channel(mine was sky news)for about 8-10 per day 3mor,2afternoon,3earlyeve,1-3latenight,these are all approx.
The skynews logo burned onto the screen,when the tv was turned off you could see the logo a lighter grey colour,and when you changed channels you could still see it.
cheers Steve.
ok thanks.
I am going to order it over next few weeks. moving in a month or so and what it at the new place. excited already :)
Do Sound and Vision have a web site? I would like to buy a 43 inch from John Lewis, 5 yr guarantee, but I will probably need something written down, not just a verbal quote for them to price match.
Michael Brooke
12-06-2001, 04:16
John Lewis will check independently with Sound & Vision (a printed ad isn't enough: they need to make sure the item is actually in stock at that price) - so you don't need anything written down.
I really wish this thread had been posted before I bought my tv! I have a Sony 41" rear projection and I've had so many problems it's unbelievable. Methinks the Toshiba is on the cards when I can afford it!
Originally posted by Timm:
<STRONG>Do Sound and Vision have a web site? I would like to buy a 43 inch from John Lewis, 5 yr guarantee, but I will probably need something written down, not just a verbal quote for them to price match.</STRONG>
I tried this but although they do alot of Toshibas, this model isn't a standard in-store one (Southampton branch said this so not gospel!) and hence they wouldn't let me do the price match.
They did say they could order it for £1500 though!
this is such an informative thread, and I should be making a RPTV order very soon, so I'm pushing this up!!
No joy with John Lewis unless I want a 40 inch. I may just have to order one of the 43 ones. No comment from the misses standing next to me.
How would I connect the dvd up to it so I can record onto vhs as well. At the moment they are daisy chained together but wouldn't it be better to run the dvd straight to the tv? My dvd only has one scart.
Michael Brooke
18-06-2001, 13:55
The Toshiba has three SCART inputs, so you'll have one left over even after connecting the DVD player and VHS deck.
With it set up like that, would you be able to record a dvd to tape? (Just for backup purposes - no dvd in the kitchen for the kids)
Great thread, all. Just noticed it 15 mins ago (having contributed to similar threads in the General Forum).
One further caution to add, which was asked a few pages back, concerning unshielded speakers near the screen. I used to have 2 large, 15 year old unshielded HiFi speakers and placed them about 3 feet away from either side of my 43" Toshiba. After about 2 weeks, I noticed with horror that 2 small arcs had appeared on either edge of the screen, which were brighter than the rest of the screen. With the TV switched off, closer examination revealed that the thin film on the inner side of the screen had actually been effectively 'torn away' presumably by the magnetic fields. I somewhat dishonestly played dumb and when the engineer called, I had removed the speakers to another part of the room, and luckily had my TV replaced under warranty (still feel a bit guilty ;) ).
So my advice is not to put unshielded speakers anywhere near a RP screen. Having said that, I've had the full Digitheatre DTS setup for over a year now (which is shilded) and have no problems.
Originally posted by Timm:
<STRONG>Aaaargh! I was just about to order one and I hadn't thought of this. I have mission 764i which isn't shielded about 1 foot form where the tv will be. Any ideas?</STRONG>
I should point out that my speakers were big, powerful old Sony piston speakers, manufactured before home cinema had taken off (about 1985), so I was asking for trouble. Indeed, I can't prove it was the speakers (although I'm at a loss to explain it otherwise, unless the screen fault was there before delivery and I just didn't notice it-unlikely).
sorry to sound silly but what does unshielded/shielded mean? I have a 300 pound stero type thing with the standard speakers, about 6 years old. How can i tell if this is going to cause problems?
[ 19 June 2001: Message edited by: padders ]
Michael Brooke
19-06-2001, 20:28
I should point out that my speakers were big, powerful old Sony piston speakers, manufactured before home cinema had taken off (about 1985), so I was asking for trouble.
Thanks for that - I was getting quite worried!
(Mind you, I did make a point of asking whether my new Celestion F speakers were magnetically shielded, and apparently they are - but I've been glancing nervously at the top of the screen for any sign of trouble from the centre speaker!)
Originally posted by Michael Brooke:
<STRONG>I should point out that my speakers were big, powerful old Sony piston speakers, manufactured before home cinema had taken off (about 1985), so I was asking for trouble.
Thanks for that - I was getting quite worried!
(Mind you, I did make a point of asking whether my new Celestion F speakers were magnetically shielded, and apparently they are - but I've been glancing nervously at the top of the screen for any sign of trouble from the centre speaker!)</STRONG>
Sorry for not making my first post more explicit :) . As I said, I've had the digitheatre setup for a year or so and have had no problems. After my first experience, I too checked my screen obsessively with the new set up, but stopped after a month or so, as there were no similar problems. I'm sure pretty well all modern HC setups are well shielded now.
[ 19 June 2001: Message edited by: Paul2 ]
Originally posted by padders:
<STRONG>sorry to sound silly but what does unshielded/shielded mean? I have a 300 pound stero type thing with the standard speakers, about 6 years old. How can i tell if this is going to cause problems?
[ 19 June 2001: Message edited by: padders ]</STRONG>
I don't know the mechanics, but most speakers have magnets. Magnets can interfere with TV screens over the medium/long term. Therefore, most/all modern home cinema speakers are 'shielded' i.e. somehow their magnets are insulated and therefore don't interfere with the screen.
UNfortunately my speakers are unshielded. Would there be any way to shield them myself, rather than having to trade them in?
I don't know, but I strongly suspect not (and it's prob. cheaper to trade in and upgrade). Perhaps someone else can give a more definitve answer.
Aaaargh! I was just about to order one and I hadn't thought of this. I have mission 764i which isn't shielded about 1 foot form where the tv will be. Any ideas?
well, to give potential new buyers some more info, I've just ordered my Tosh 43PJ93B from Sound and Vision!
As I expected, they asked how much the best offer I'd had was. I told them various of between 1150 and 1200 quid, including the cabinet. They said that the best they could do it for is 1150 without the cab!! :eek:
He ummed and ahhed and asked when I was going to order - I said now! - he said 'I'll just have a word with my boss' - yeah right!
Anyways, he came back and eventually I got it including the cabinet for 1150.......so don't just accept their first offer!
Getting it delivered next Wednesday. That's not how long it would usually take (they offered tomorrow!), but that's when I'll be able to take delivery.....
Could someone run a tape over the inside of the cabinet, I would be most grateful. I was wondering if it would take two amps, a dvd and the vcr. If it can then I can move my speakers out and get a tv!
I haven't put mine together yet but here are the internal measurements provided by TJ:
There are 4 compartments:
A - Top left
B - Top Right
C - Bottom Left
D - Bottom Right
A = (W)40 cms (H)11.5 (D) 37.5
B = 54 x 11.5 x 37.5
C = 40 x 15 x 41
D = 54 x 15 x 41
Thanks Henry. Do you reckon it would be possible to alter the spacing to get the boxes about the same width and make the bottom ones deeper, and does it have a solid back because my amp is too deep?
I altered the spacing in my one. I shifted the middle support so that the space on either side was more even.
Now I can fit my Sony 930 amp in one side and my Pioneer 717 and VCr on top of that on the other.
I dont use the shelves. The back is fully open one side and the other side is partially obscured by a support on the back.
Im having problems with my 43PJ though. Seems that Ive got a bit of a blurry spot on the bottom right hand corner of the screen? (between 8 and 9 on convergence screen). Its not noticeable on normal TV but becoming very noticeable on DVDs, you can see it especially if using subtitles or if there is text on the screen.
When there is white text you can see a red shadow, like the convergence is not properly set, which I have done umpteen times. Phoned up S+V today hopefully going to get a engineer to look at it and put my mind at rest.
Or am I being fussy? The thing is the rest of the screen is pretty sharp which shows up this blurry patch.
Originally posted by Dinghiy:
Im having problems with my 43PJ though. Seems that Ive got a bit of a blurry spot on the bottom right hand corner of the screen? (between 8 and 9 on convergence screen). Its not noticeable on normal TV but becoming very noticeable on DVDs, you can see it especially if using subtitles or if there is text on the screen.
When there is white text you can see a red shadow, like the convergence is not properly set, which I have done umpteen times. Phoned up S+V today hopefully going to get a engineer to look at it and put my mind at rest.
Or am I being fussy? The thing is the rest of the screen is pretty sharp which shows up this blurry patch.
Mine has this too-it bothered me at first, but I dont notice it anymore. Apparently, acc. to the engineer, all RPTVs have a corner where convergence is not quite spot on (I don't know the physics/mechanics of it, but it's unavoidable). If you try to make the 'affected' corner perfect, I think the one diagnoally opposite becomes affected.
If you're new to RPTV, you'll not notice it after a while (in fact, I'd completely forgotten about it until your post!).
Oops sorry about that. But I really didnt notice it before.
I hope it isnt a condition all RP tvs have as before this I was very happy with it and I really couldnt recommend it enough.
Originally Posted by Cervaro:
I'm sure the Toshiba engineer that visited me at the end of last year to sort the convergence properly...........
Has anyone else got this problem and Cervaro did the engineer manage to fix yours?
right then. I've got my 43PJ coming on Wednesday (woo hoo!). I realise some of my questions will probably be answered then, but I like to be prepared :) ...
What settings should I make? Should I set my DVD player to saying I have a WS TV and use the Wide mode? Does the TV auto go to wide mode? I've never had a WS set before, so I don't know what normally happens with the auto mode functions when watching WS...
Also, I have a Sky Dig box - as most progs seem to all be in widescreen, should I set the Sky box to 16:9?? At the mo on my current 4:3 telly (Sky box set to 4:3), I note a lot of captions and text is cut off at the edges.
Sorry for the stupid questions.......can someone enlighten me please!!
right then. I've got my 43PJ coming on Wednesday (woo hoo!).
Congrats! :)
Should I set my DVD player to saying I have a WS TV and use the Wide mode?
Yes.
Does the TV auto go to wide mode?
Yes.
should I set the Sky box to 16:9?
Yes again. The TV will automatically switch between 16:9 and 4:3 modes depending on the signal, so Sky News, etc will still be in fullscreen. <font size=-3 color="#dedfdf">
[ 24 June 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Originally posted by mjb1975:
What settings should I make?
The very first thing to do is to reduce the factory contrast setting from 100 to somewhere between 30 and 40!
thanks people! I've got Wednesday to Friday off work to play with my toy :D
any other settings that you all recommend?
it's great to be able to hear from actual owners innit!
Cor, is this thread still going!
(Me thinks Toshiba are getting some very welcome free advertising). :)
Just my two-pennys worth:
MB, you will soon learn to love the HUGEness of the 4:3 pictures (Life-size simpsons is quite brilliant)
I've also got some quite large unshielded hi-fi speakers (Mission 733i's to be exact) pretty close to the 43PJ93 (about 2 feet either side) and, touch wood, after about 2 months of the telly, have noticed no ill-effects.
One little quibble I have (although no-one on here seems to have mentioned it) is when I play back anamorphic 2.35:1 DVDs the two levels of black bars (one caused by the squeeze, the other on the DVD) are different shades of black (if there is such a thing!?).
Could someone post their picture settings on here, coz i'm not able to eradicate this problem after a fair bit of messing around.
All in all though, a fantastic set, suprising how quick you get used to the size (should have got the 61".... :) )
Well, I've had mine two days and am very impressed. I was initially shocked at how big it actually was (in my living room anyway!), but it is quite amazing how quickly you get used to it and it suddenly doesn't seem so big.
I've been mainly watching some telly on it so far. I used the T2 THX setup bits to get the contrast/brightness/colour right and it looks superb.
Budge, I watched my first DVD on it earlier today - The Matrix - and noticed the two shades of black bars myself. TBH, it wasn't too off-putting IMO, but I take your point.....
I've got my Sky Dig box connected to Scart 1 - which I assume is the RGB one cos I get a much better picture than on Scart 2. I've got my DVD player on Scart 2.
Incidentally, I tried connecting my Dreamcast by Scart to Scart 3 and I got sound, no picture - bizarre, unless I'm being silly!. It works fine on Scart 1, but I don't wanna be switching them over every time I wanna play a quick game......
Still, very impressed, but I'm not looking forward to the credit card envelope coming through my postbox!!!
I ordered one yesterday. They even honoured the price of £1140 for the tv, stand and delivery that they had quoted me several weeks earlier. I was very impressed. The only bad point is that they have got none in stock so I am gonna have to wait a week to ten days before I get it. What a nightmare. Oh well, from the comments on this thread it sounds like it will be worth the wait. :)
For those intrested.
I phoned Toshiba themselves and asked them what was the actual difference between the 40pw03B and the new 40pw13P. The reply was that the new one was sliver, and that's it!
well i'll track down a 40pw03B and get it cheap
Just a thought..
Why dont telly manafacturers EVER provide more than one RGB SCART?
You'd think on a £1500 telly, it wouldnt make much difference to the cost.
Well I finally gave in and ordered one after umming and ahhing for many months. But typical, S an V have run out of stock (probably because of this thread), more stock in a month or so but of course now I can't wait so had to go for the second best with PRC at £1167. I had to order today to get the sub. With all this chat the wife is more excited than me so thanks everyone.(Please don't tell me it was cheaper somewhere else, but I reckon I'm in spitting distance of what is possible).
DVD Geeza
01-07-2001, 21:04
Im on the verge of buying either the 40PW03B or 43PJ93B. Apart from the screen ratio, can anyone tell me the advantages of either set over the other. Also Im kinda concerned over the life span of the bulbs used. Im getting conflicting arguments, some saying the bulbs will last for ages (over 5 yrs) regardless of amount of daily use and others saying that 6-7 hours of viewing a day will result in a life span of around 3 yrs! Anyone have any concrete info or just able to point me in the right direction?
Any help would be appreciated. :)
Michael Brooke
01-07-2001, 22:38
I was faced with the same decision, and went for the 43PJ93B - the major reason being that apparently the widescreen set has grey rather than black bars at the sides when displaying 4:3 pictures!
That got me thinking generally about the advantages of 4:3 over widescreen (I'd been renting a 32" widescreen set for eighteen months), and I have to say I have <U>no</U> regrets about going back: I no longer have to put up with having to squeeze a picture that wasn't designed for widescreen into the 16:9 frame, and the screen is so big that even 2.35;1 films look gorgeous regardless. And 4:3 films are out of this world - I watched Rififi last night, and it was like being in a cinema!
DVD Geeza
02-07-2001, 00:33
Thanks Michael,youve edged me towards the 4:3 set. Im going to check them both out tomorrow. Still a bit worried about those bulbs though. Did you extend the warranty on your set?
DVD Geeza
02-07-2001, 00:37
One more thing Michael, my viewing distance is only around 13ft from the set, is this enough in your opinion?
Cheers m8. :)
13ft is more than enough. :)
I watched Rififi last night, and it was like being in a cinema!
I know exactly what you mean. And it's not just the size of the image (although it certainly helps). I've always found that projection systems (front or rear) are much better at handling black & white than CRTs. The picture just looks more, er, cinematic!
[ 02 July 2001: Message edited by: Henry ]
Michael Brooke
02-07-2001, 14:44
I've always found that projection systems (front or rear) are much better at handling black & white than CRTs. The picture just looks more, er, cinematic!
I agree - this was the first time I'd watched a black-and-white feature on the Toshiba, and it looked absolutely gorgeous (the fact that it was a phenomenal transfer also helped, but even so...).
I'm going to be reviewing Luc Besson's Le Dernier Combat quite soon, which is anamorphic black-and-white Cinemascope, and with luck that will look equally impressive.
I' ve just taken delivery of my 43inch. It looks good and everything fits in the cabinet but I can't get the picture quite right. Faces look pale and everything looks a bit sepia like. I've tweaked all sorts. Dvds look good though, so I wonder if it might be a poor ariel.
there is a post earlier saying first thing to do is to turn the contrast down - the original setting is 100!! I turned this down to about 40-50 (I can't think for a mo). This might be causing the pale faces (although I'm no expert!!)
First thing I did was to use the THX set up utility on T2:UE, which I believe is also on Toy Story, and now both TV (Sky Dig) and DVD look fantastic.
Enjoy!
right - I've just checked my settings...
Contrast - 40
Brightness - 50
Colour - 35
I haven't touched the convergence, mainly cos I dunno what it means!!!
Settings might be different for each persons own preference, but you could try them if you want......
Perhaps I am being too picky but I reckon my red levels are too high. If I could drop them then I could turn the overall level up. I know how to get the srvice menu but does anyone know what to alter things to?
Michael Brooke
09-07-2001, 14:26
I haven't touched the convergence, mainly cos I dunno what it means!!!
It's well worth touching, because it involves ensuring that the red, green and blue elements of the projection system are lined up perfectly.
If your picture looks fine, you probably don't need to use it, but if you get blue or red fringing you need to adjust the convergence (it's very straightforward, though).
if anybody is interested, I've got a new unopened stand for sale. the thread is
http://www.thedvdforums.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=004434
I have a cottage so haven't got the headroom for it!
Can't just let this thread disappear forever.... :)
im the one who started it and still havent bought one, i was very close to biting the bullet but finally decided that my veiwing distance was not enough.
I think we should close this thread now seeing that every time someone buys one and says how good it is it makes me feel bad. I think I may need a new house so i can fit the tv into it !!!!
Ibster
you only need 10 foot. Gwan, you want to....
ive been really wanting for a long time mate beleive me !!! but Ive got about 7 ft at the most..................UNLESS I REARRANGE THE FURNITURE !!!!! (looks like the 3 piece suite has to go)
Well I have had my 43incher for about three weeks now and it's the best thing I've ever bought.
Michael Brooke
01-08-2001, 21:00
In all seriousness, I think my viewing distance is about seven feet, and while 4:3 images are a little overwhelming, widescreen ones are <U>perfectly</U> proportioned.
yeah, my viewing distance is less than 10ft - maybe around 7-8ft, and I agree with MB; fullscreen maybe a little too big, but I certainly not overwhelming and ws stuff is just fine......
go for it!
[ 01 August 2001: Message edited by: mjb1975 ]
My viewing distance is only about 6ft but Im sooooooo tempted but one of these babies!
Guardian
05-08-2001, 07:43
After lurking around this thread for the past few weeks I ordered mine last monday from sound and vision for the bargain price of £1100 including cabinet and delivery.
Although it seems there is a delay in the tv leaving toshiba.....anyone else currently waiting for theirs on order?
Hi guys,
Any chance of any of the owners taking some photo's of their Toshiba 43inch 4:3 TV's in action ? I'm seriously considering buying one (I have a 28inch TV at the moment), just wanted to see these in action playing DVD's and TV content.
I've been to Tottenham Court Road to try and check out the TV's in the shops but they never seem to be willing to take the time to "properly" setup the TV for DVD and optimize the picture ect...
If anyone has any photo's please post em ! ;-)
Cheers.
Supposed to be getting mine today (monday), had it on order for about two weeks and a half now, paid 1150 inc stand + delivery from richer sounds. Let you know how it goes...
I'm really impatient and I hate waiting for deliveries bcos something always goes bad for me.. maybe it because I order so many things?
I've sorted my tv. I had got used to my old tv which was incredibly green. Now I am totally pleased with it, even the wife loves it. How do people cope with tiny 36 inch screens? Are binoculars supplied with them?
Mr. Wilby
06-08-2001, 18:26
I'm sure this has been asked before in this thread, and I have read pretty much all of it, but I never found the URL for S&V.
Is there one?
Thanks
No URL just a phone number found in What TV and Hifi which I don't have to hand. (Think its on page 2 or 3 :) )
Well worth buying.
43 inches really perks up even Sky One's output.
Guardian
06-08-2001, 22:54
apparently there is a shortage of parts for the 43 inch wonder resulting in a delay in getting mine until after the 20th August....
I've to take back what I said earlier about the stand (that you don't really need it) - I've just put it together and it's made a big difference - the height of the picture was a little bit low before but now it's perfect. It's also much tidier because it houses my amp, DVD player, Sky Digibox and VCR behind 2 glass doors. So I would definitely recommend it to anyone who's considering buying this great TV. But you really need a viewing distance of AT LEAST 7-8'. 10' + would be ideal.
Originally posted by Mr. Wilby
I'm sure this has been asked before in this thread, and I have read pretty much all of it, but I never found the URL for S&V.
Is there one?
Thanks
Try this, Sound and Vision (http://avshopdirect.co.uk/index.htm) . It is the same company who for some reason have been quoted numerous times with different names. But rest assured they are both the same company.
As far as delivery goes, I was well impressed. I ordered my 43incher and about a week later Toshiba in Leeds rang me up to arrange a delivery date, which was about a week later again. So approx 2 weeks from a phone call to an instant mini cinema. What a result :D
:)
Ordered my 43PJ93B yesterday. Will be delivered this Friday. Wooohooo! Monolith. Yay!
Cheers everyone for the input on this thread. Sound and Vision, 1140 inc stand and delivery.
A²
Ordered 20th July, card debited 20th July (surprise, surprise...)
Still waiting for mine...
Decided to write my story out in the suppliers forum
I still have a brand new unopened stand for the 43 tosh for sale. Someone save it from becoming a paint stand in my shed.
Email me:cool:
Originally posted by devil
I still have a brand new unopened stand for the 43 tosh for sale. Someone save it from becoming a paint stand in my shed.
Email me:cool:
Thats what I can do with it!!!! I had run out of ideas for my 41" stand sitting in a box getting damp...
:D :D
I have a Toshiba subwoofer going spare :)
Could use it to hold the bucket, next to the paint stand :)
What about the surround speakers that came with it and I'm not using? I could knock the cones out and use em to hold the turps for the paint brushes...might leak tho!
:D
Thinking about the extended warranty, opinions??
Ive heard the projection tubes have a limited life...
SwinnyDon
23-08-2001, 16:56
Does anyone have a spare cabinet for the 40 incher? Or where the cheapest place to get one is?
Budge,
S&V never even mentioned an extended warranty. What does it get you? How much does it cost? Should I get one?
http://www.robertwhyteltd.co.uk/shop2/rear/tosh_43pj93b.htm
Just ordered one from above for just under 1300 inc stand, 5years warranty and del on 6mths interest free!!! :D
Now just gotta sell my old tv to my mates or my old man :D
Originally posted by AndrewC
http://www.robertwhyteltd.co.uk/shop2/rear/tosh_43pj93b.htm
Just ordered one from above for just under 1300 inc stand, 5years warranty and del on 6mths interest free!!! :D
Now just gotta sell my old tv to my mates or my old man :D
This looks a good deal if screen burn or tube wearing out are part of the warranty.
I suspect a lot of warranties would call that wear and tear and not cover it.
So for £160 extra, what IS this particular warranty like (I got one for £1140 from S&V with just the standard years warranty).
--- Edit
Did actually look at the web page and it is for £1099 inc VAT + £48 delivery +1.5% if paying by CC
S&V have been selling the stand alone for £100 so may even be a cheaper way of doing it.
I would be skeptical of a free 5 yr warranty though....
The Beyond
27-08-2001, 22:20
You b@stards!
The tube on my phillips 28" widescreen has just started going, and I was going to upgrade to a 32" (I briefly flirted with the idea of a 36 ", but decided that this was MADNESS)
Now you all have me seriously considering the Toshiba 43" 4:3 set
the price is not much more than I was going to pay for a CRT set, anyway
the only thing putting me off is that I live in a standard sized terrace house (not one of your London town house terraces) and thought the size might be a bit "in my face."
still...
It's about time I did sommething crazy
The Beyond - Tell me about it!!
I needed a decent size telly having only a 4:3 25 incher (widescreen just wasn't big enough ;) ) and was trying to find my perfect 32 inch WS set - then I saw this thread and ended up paying twice as much!
Still, if you go for it, you won't regret it - great set this one! It is big, but my viewing distance is only about 3 metres (a touch over) so you don't necessarily need a huge room. I find that kind of distance is fine, and that's for full screen pictures - WS is of course slightly smaller (around 39" for a 1.85:1 piccy).
Go on!
The Beyond
30-08-2001, 23:40
Right-
decided to take the plunge and order the 43" set tomorrow.
I can feel a few sick days from work coming on.
The Beyond
01-09-2001, 22:10
Hoo boy!
ordered 43" Toshiba yesterday
£1140.00 from sound and vision inc. delivery
originally told they would be in on September 17th
then rang back and said they've just come in
being delivered on wednesday!
yes - well done!
ooo, that feeling when the Amtrack van turned up at my house and the enormous box came out the back!!:)
great choice.......
Still waiting for mine :( £48 for delivery and can take up to 2 weeks :mad: my god thats a joke!!!
tj_director
05-09-2001, 09:12
Wow!! this thread was already pretty big when i left the UK, and it's still going ?!! :o
Anyways, i'll just add my bit for those on the brink of deciding.
Get one!! i've been away from mine for 3 months now, and there isn't a single hour i don't remember my sweet baby -- if you love your films and your TV, then the Toshiba will become your new best friend (literally). I even carry a photo of it (her) in my wallet, to show family and friends.
no really... i do
The Beyond
05-09-2001, 10:31
Mine's arriving today.
I keep running to the door at every sound I hear.
C'mon already! what's keeping you!
The Beyond
05-09-2001, 10:38
OMG!
It's here, it's here!!
and its bloody huge.
*me finding it difficult to catch my breath with excitement*
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
The Beyond
05-09-2001, 20:27
Bleedin' thing does not work.
Have had all day off work, and I had a small stack of DVDs ready to test out on my new TV.
I am not a happy bunny:mad:
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