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Had mine today, had to go back cuz of a dodgy screen!! :( :( bloody typical!! God knows how long Ill have to wait again now!:mad:
Hmmm...
Mine's a dud too.
Doesn't look like a very good QC procedure at Toshiba.
Think i'll invest in that extended warranty after all....
tigurrgh
22-10-2001, 19:08
So here I am, armed to the teeth with pound notes looking for the perfect tv, the question is...
what is the difference between the 40pw13b and the 40pw03b??
and what other tosh 40" W/S RP's are available? I have the full dts setup so only need nicam.
thanks guys
Tigs
(much confused)
Yup. Mine's buggered. I get a line about 20 cms in from the left (about 20cms wide for the entire height of the set) where the convergence is out by a good 3mm. Had an engineer out to fix it last week. All good, until I put an anamorphic NTSC disc in.
It would appear the service settings are specific to PAL/NTSC/Anamorphic.
Gutted.
Anyone know how to use the service mode (I now know how to access it). I could really do without another day off work to babysit an idiot.
Cheers,
A²
I thought about trying service mode as my convergence seems 'twisted'. Lots of dire warnings should be inserted here. YOU CAN TRASH YOUR TV SETUP COMPLETELY!
I had a helpful exchange with Henry Yuen a while back and he gave me this link to another tosh setup that at least explains some of the codes.
From Henry:
To be honest, I did most of my adjustments by trial and error. Some of them are quite obvious: e.g. VPOS, HPOS, HIT, PARA, TRAP but I've no idea what the others mean.
But I've just found this page: http://www.alientech.net/tp61h95codes.html
It's for a different Toshiba but there's a list that should cover all the abbreviations that are troubling you and me.
This page looks interesting though often its talking about US high definition Toshiba TVs so some of the stuff isn't relevant.
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/usefulinfo/toshiba/servicedesignermode.html
A bit technical, but you might also find some of the links from http://www.epanorama.net/video.html useful.
One tip that might be relevant to you is:
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/usefulinfo/toshiba/43PJ93G_svcmenu.html
with luck you can copy your PAL convergence settings to all the other modes automatically and then possibly tweak things further.
I was quite interested to know that the settings were stored separately for different inputs(RGB, SVideo, tuner etc) and different modes (PAL/NTSC etc) and anamorphic/normal.
I *think* that the gross 9 point convergence is general to all modes, but that each can be tweaked for better results. I wonder if adjusting NTSC will get rid of the white flashes??
Good work!!!
Now to get home and sort/break my kit. :)
Having been quite absorbed by this thread (I had originally intended to buy a 32" WS) I finally coughed up for a shiny new Tosh 43VJ13P and am absolutely thrilled with it - kudos to all those posters who have waxed lyrical about these sets. I'm glad you did :)
Has anyone else had problems with screen burn?
Thinking of buying the Tosh 43" or 40" widescreen.Am I better off to put up with the black bars above and below,or go for the widescreen.
Originally posted by pwray
I finally coughed up for a shiny new Tosh 43VJ13P and am absolutely thrilled with it - kudos to all those posters who have waxed lyrical about these sets. I'm glad you did :)
Howdo,
I just collected one of these from S&V (as a replacement to my 43PJwhatsitnot) and its absolutely fantastic! There's a slightly odd flickering line being displayed on the left side of the screen (see below)
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but it only shows in full framed anamorphic mode (16:9 no mask), so I guess I can tweak it with overscan. Anyway, its only like a single scan line, reaching about an 8th of the screen width. Small matter. My sony CRT set did that on NTSC with a blinding white line, so this is way better.
Best thing is there's absolutely no issues with convergence at all. It really is like a cinema, and I see exactly what people were describing as a more film like image.
Darn thing's silver, of course, which regally clashes with my 'tv grey' sofa. Oh, and does anyone know if there's a stand available? She don't fit the old one... :(
Cheers all,
A²
SimonInd
03-12-2001, 09:03
Screen burn is only a problem if you have the contrast and brightness whacked up to the sort of level reserved for demonstrations in Currys/Dixons/Comet etc. Mine are set at about 40 - 50 and as a result I wouldn't expect any problems....
I bought the 4:3 as the 16:9 is the same overall size but more of the box is used as screen - still some people prefer this new-fangled 'wide' screen....
Simon
stoneranger
03-12-2001, 12:15
over 8 months now, will this thread ever die :D
Hey A²
I have the exact same small flicker problem on my 43VJ13P - I wonder if this is just a "feature" of the set or perhaps a problem with a particular batch (I got mine from S&V too). Have any other Tosh 43" owners noticed this and, if so, is there an easy way to fix it? I agree it is a minor issue but it would be nice if it can be easily corrected...
Originally posted by A²
Howdo,
I just collected one of these from S&V (as a replacement to my 43PJwhatsitnot) and its absolutely fantastic! There's a slightly odd flickering line being displayed on the left side of the screen (see below)
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but it only shows in full framed anamorphic mode (16:9 no mask), so I guess I can tweak it with overscan. Anyway, its only like a single scan line, reaching about an 8th of the screen width. Small matter. My sony CRT set did that on NTSC with a blinding white line, so this is way better.
Sorry to hear about that pwray, but glad I'm not alone. Now we've just got to hope that someone else trawls through the 7 odd pages of 'yay! its brilliant' to solve our little quandary.
Have you tried the service mode instructions posted by Minty? As it only affects the very top and bottom lines, I reckon a little tweak of the vertical overscan should do it. What's your thought?
Oh, and yes, its a great tv. Well happy!
Ooh, pwray: Did you opt for a stand? Did S&V offer one? How much was it? Wazzitlooklike?
hey A²
I've been pretty cautious about using service mode as I'm downright scared of spoiling what is overall a great performance - that said, I have had some success with the service menu convergence grid. The top of the 16:9 window on my set "bulged" a bit in the middle, so I turned off the red and blue guns, adjusted the top of the green grid to be as straight as possible and then brought the red and blue into line with the green. This helped quite a bit, so although the flicker is still there it's not particularly noticeable.
What are the service menu settings for overscan? If it is possible to "clip off" the top and bottom line of pixels that might do the trick, but I'm well out of my depth there.
As for the stand, I decided to try it without and see how it goes, as I don't need a cabinet for storing kit. I've found the screen height to be just right for viewing from my sofa, but I know others have found the stand to be an improvement (although that might be for the 43PJ93B which may be a different height?). S&V had quoted me £125 for the stand.
Originally posted by A²
Sorry to hear about that pwray, but glad I'm not alone. Now we've just got to hope that someone else trawls through the 7 odd pages of 'yay! its brilliant' to solve our little quandary.
Have you tried the service mode instructions posted by Minty? As it only affects the very top and bottom lines, I reckon a little tweak of the vertical overscan should do it. What's your thought?
Oh, and yes, its a great tv. Well happy!
Ooh, pwray: Did you opt for a stand? Did S&V offer one? How much was it? Wazzitlooklike?
Gotta say you could be right about the stand. My old set (the 43PJblahdewhat) seemed much shorter than her replacement. I reckon I may try her on the floor tonight (yes.. phnnaar) and see if that's any better.
Now I've got to find a damn box to put my player in. Its a 636D, and like all Pioneers, it chirrups like a disney meadow scene.
Good news on the convergence though. Good work mate! I'll have a look for vheight et al.
A²
Got it (maybe):
Prequel:
You're in service mode, you've had 'RCUT' and its value in the upper left screen. Pressing 'Channel Up/ Down' on Remote has scrolled you through the various items. 'Volume 'Up/Down' changes the numeric value of the item. You've pressed 'TV/Video' on the Remote to scrolls through several built-in test patterns, and know that these don't display unless all cables are unplugged from the Video1 input. You have advanced to the 'White Cross on Black Background' test pattern. ...
Set Picture Height & Width
Basically fine tuning the amount of image overscan.
Service Mode HIT = height, WID = width.
Reduce HIT until the white ends of Cross are visible and clearly "too short". Advance HIT until white ends just touch edge of screen.
The Toshiba manual says to advance HIT another 8 steps. This sounds like way too much overscsan. I advanced HIT 3 steps, final HIT value 43.
Do the same for for WID. After the White Cross just touches the edge of the screen, Toshiba says to advance another 12 steps. I advanced it only 3 steps, final WID value 26.
Press 'TV/Video' on Remote to scroll thru the other test patterns. Confirm the HIT & WID overscan is the least amount necessary to cover the screen, without static or junk in the extreme edges.
I can't locate the exact source of the above, having collated the useful parts of the links above into a one hit word document. Many were based on previous/alternate models so may not work for our sets. Usual disclaimers apply. Write down the original values, use at own risk, no user serviceable parts inside, do not inhale.
Let me know if you want the doc, and I'll mail it you.
Cheers,
A²
A², how does the new Tosh compare with the 43PJ?
TBH, I probably can't give a fair report on the old model (as mine was absolutely EDITED) but the new one is fantastic. Pity its silver really as it clashes with....
everything.
A²
Sorry I didn't read your posts properly and thought you 'upgraded' from the old one.
You're in service mode, you've had 'RCUT' and its value in the upper left screen. Pressing 'Channel Up/ Down' on Remote has scrolled you through the various items. 'Volume 'Up/Down' changes the numeric value of the item. You've pressed 'TV/Video' on the Remote to scrolls through several built-in test patterns, and know that these don't display unless all cables are unplugged from the Video1 input. You have advanced to the 'White Cross on Black Background' test pattern. ...
Set Picture Height & Width
Basically fine tuning the amount of image overscan.
Service Mode HIT = height, WID = width.
Reduce HIT until the white ends of Cross are visible and clearly "too short". Advance HIT until white ends just touch edge of screen.
The Toshiba manual says to advance HIT another 8 steps. This sounds like way too much overscsan. I advanced HIT 3 steps, final HIT value 43.
Do the same for for WID. After the White Cross just touches the edge of the screen, Toshiba says to advance another 12 steps. I advanced it only 3 steps, final WID value 26.
Press 'TV/Video' on Remote to scroll thru the other test patterns. Confirm the HIT & WID overscan is the least amount necessary to cover the screen, without static or junk in the extreme edges.
All that sounds about right to me, except that I didn't know about the built-in test patterns and I just adjusted my HIT and WID settings by looking directly at the picture. There are no absolute values - if it looks right to you then it is. Once you're done, turn off the TV and the new settings will be retained. The only other warning I can think of is that you shouldn't change the video source at all (e.g. trying different DVDs or even just accessing the menu) during or immediately after making the adjustments, otherwise the TV may not retain the settings.
Quick question regarding the Toshiba 40PW13B, I noticed the height of the model is like 115cm , this measurement includes the stand right ?? It has to cause otherwise thats gonna be one high up tv ;-)
If anyone can put my mind at rest before I order I'd appreciate it.
http://www.avshopdirect.co.uk/shop1/rear/tos_40pw13b.htm
Thanks.
tj_director
14-12-2001, 15:30
hi HBK757,
got your email asking for measurements, i've tried emailing you for the last week, but for some reason they aren't going through. If you have an alternate address i'll send you the info there if you'd like?
TJ
Ugh, god damn BT Openworld, anyone thinking about getting ADSL with them, DONT.
try btadsl1@excite.com ;-)
Thanks ;-)
*GULP* Well I ordered the Tosh 43VJ93B RPTV today from avdirect ! I can only point the finger of blame at tj_director ! He convinced with his setup he demo'd for me ;-)
Btw in case anyone is wondering I got the TV without the stand for £1070 + £45 delivery (£1115) I decided not to go with the stand as I already have a nice cabnet which fits all my home theater stuff in there ;-) The guy had to ask me to repeat a fair bit of info for him so I hope they don't mess anything up ;-)
So I guess this thread goes back to the top yet again huh ? :D
Will this thread ever die??? :rolleyes: ;)
the only 2 things holdingm e back from gettinga proj set are:
(1) bulb life..i have kids so between the 4 of us, the set is probabaly on 8-10 hours a day!!!
so what is bulb life actually like? i dont want to pay the equiv of a new small set every year or two
(2) housing of all my stuff...i currently have a sound org stand with several gadgets on (av unit, cd, dvd, xbox, ps2, skybox, vcr)....id have no room using these set stands would i :(
what you think guys/gals?
Originally posted by sirp
the only 2 things holdingm e back from gettinga proj set are:
(1) bulb life..i have kids so between the 4 of us, the set is probabaly on 8-10 hours a day!!!
so what is bulb life actually like? i dont want to pay the equiv of a new small set every year or two
(2) housing of all my stuff...i currently have a sound org stand with several gadgets on (av unit, cd, dvd, xbox, ps2, skybox, vcr)....id have no room using these set stands would i :(
what you think guys/gals?
1) From what I've heard people say, Rear Projection sets have an average bulb life of around 5000 hours. So if you watch the TV 8 hours per day, your looking at around 3 years or so before a change of bulb is needed. I don't know if its 1 bulb or 3 bulbs (for green, red, blue), but I did hear someone say they cost £200 approx.
2) Basically no, all that will have no chance of fitting into the cabnet. You can get an av amp, sky, dvd player and maybe something else in there.
Want to re-ask a question from earier in this thread :
"what is the difference between the 40pw13b and the 40pw03b??
and what other tosh 40" W/S RP's are available? I have the full dts setup so only need nicam."
??
Nav
For those who have bought their Toshiba RPTV's from AV Direct - Do they charge your credit card immediately or on dispatch ? Its been 4 days and no charge as yet :confused:
Thanks.
Panavision
29-12-2001, 14:01
Man, I'm so tempted...
...NO! I can't have one just yet.
Originally posted by Fly
Thats what I can do with it!!!! I had run out of ideas for my 41" stand sitting in a box getting damp...
:D :D
IS that a sony 41" stand, and how damp is it ;)?
Well Ive tried reading this thread but its so long. Does anyone know if the price of Toshiba Rear projector TV's at Currys as advertised in the news of the world is expensive. £2000 for a 42 inch and £1600 for a 40 inch. Im after a 50 inch + rear projector but where is there any interest free special offers etc. Im sure people on here have got better tv's then currys for a cheaper priuce, any help is appreciated.
Thanks
:)
Despite the high Tosh reviews me being a sony freak went for the 41DS1, arrives in the near future, looked fabulous in the shop my local sony center let me take my ps2 along and gave me a proper demonstration, 1599.99 including installation on 12 months interest free(price match against Empire Direct(as near as damnit)....Arrives next tuesday!!
Originally posted by Brad123
Well Ive tried reading this thread but its so long. Does anyone know if the price of Toshiba Rear projector TV's at Currys as advertised in the news of the world is expensive. £2000 for a 42 inch and £1600 for a 40 inch. Im after a 50 inch + rear projector but where is there any interest free special offers etc. Im sure people on here have got better tv's then currys for a cheaper priuce, any help is appreciated.
Thanks
:)
Dont bother with Currys or Dixons unless they are doing special offers which they hardly ever do. Rubbish. Check these guys out -
http://www.avshopdirect.co.uk/shop1/rear_projection.htm
£2000 for a 42" from Currys ? lol please, £1500 from that site. I ordered the 43" recently.
Right Ive boiled it down to these sets.
Tosh 43 VJ13B
Tosh 43 PJ93B
Tosh 40 PW 13P
Anyone have these sets (i presume so) whats your impressions. I have just read this entire thread...phew!!!!
I need finance as well although I do have £400 as a deposit, so interest free is ideal and finally 4.3 or widescreen. At the moment i have a 32 inch widescreen phillips.
Thanks
AFAIK, the 43PJ93B is now discontinued and simply replaced by the VJ version. I believe it's basically the same insides, but a slightly prettier exterior.
So whats the difference between these models.
tosh 43 VJ13P
tosh 40PW13P
Tosh 43PJ93B
The PJ was replaced by the VJ. The VJ shares the same internals (allegedly) but has a silver finish rather than charcoal. It's speakers are behind a single horizontally detailed fascia. Oh heck, I'll mail you a piccy of mine...
A²
Oh, and not a scooby about the other one. (maybe its w/s?) :)
Edit- actually, I don't have your mail address. Mail me and I'll send you back a pic of the PJ and the VJ in situ.
Information on all sets mentioned at: http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/home.nsf
The two 43s are pretty much the same excepting fascia layout and vertical position of the screen. My 43PJ required about 40cms of stand to raise it to a good viewing height (these RPTVs can get a little sensitive about viewing angles vertically) whilst the VJ seemed happiest about 20 cms up.
Hope that helps (?)
A²
Brad123
See here for the specs of the tv's
http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/home.nsf
The 40PW13P is just a 40" widescreen with Nicam.
The 42WH18B would also be worth considering. 42" + Dolby Dig.
I like a2 went for the 43 VJ13P 4:3
No regrets, I love it.
Colin
Off Topic/
Col, does your set have a displaced line at the top and bottom left edges of a 1.85:1 anamorphic image affecting the leftmost 10 cms?
/Off Topic.
Sorry.
A²
I think so, not very noticable I will go and check.
Back again, yes about 10cm long about 2mm thick. But only on the top left.
I have a tosh dvd player that when in stop mode makes this easy to see.
But as I said not very noticable.
Colin
What about this one, just seen it for £1069 on avshopdirect is this better then the tosh 43 VJ13B
Toshiba 43VJ93B
Anyone any pics of their 4.3 rear projector in widescreen mode.:)
Anyone ordered their Tosh 43" from AV Direct ? I ordred mine Dec 24 and still no phone call to arrange for delivery :confused:
They took payment from my account on Dec 27. Anyone know roughly how long it should take for the TV to be delivered ?
Thanks :)
Welp still no phone call or sign of the TV. Gonna have to phone em tommorow and threaten to cancel the order unless they arrange an immediate specific delivery date. Am I the only one who thinks 3 weeks is too long to wait for delivery ? Especially when I've payed out £1100 when I ordered ?
So far I wouldn't recommend AV Shop Direct / Robert Whyte Ltd (Same company) to anyone. :mad:
jon smith
16-01-2002, 09:56
Originally posted by HBK757
Welp still no phone call or sign of the TV. Gonna have to phone em tommorow and threaten to cancel the order unless they arrange an immediate specific delivery date. Am I the only one who thinks 3 weeks is too long to wait for delivery ? Especially when I've payed out £1100 when I ordered ?
So far I wouldn't recommend AV Shop Direct / Robert Whyte Ltd (Same company) to anyone. :mad:
I paid £1700 for a Samsung 43 inch from Robert Whyte. It took 5 weeks to come, with me doing all the chasing. Since then, i've had nothing but problems with the set and Robert Whyte are refusing to do anything. I've just sent them a legal letter requesting they do something or will go to small claims.
If they are not keeping in touch with you, I would get out while you can.
Thanks for the input John, any info I can get is great at this point.
Well I've already waited 3 weeks and there's no way in hell I'm waiting another 2 for this thing. My mum's gonna phone em for me tonight and tell them the order is cancelled unless the TV gets here for Friday. I believe I'm legally entitled to cancel any order with any company before I receive the product right ?
Btw I haven't heard very good things now about Robert Whyte and also Sound & Vision. Anyone aware of any other online place that does the Tosh RPTV's for a similar price, has good service and will deliver quickly ? Thanks :)
they shouldnt have even debited your credit card m8 until its in stock and sent..just cancel and move on, nevermind give them till friday..sounds like they is naff :)
Yup that's one of the things that p*sses me off most - they took money from my acccount straight away. I've not heard from them since.
Brad, the PJ93B was the predecessor to the current VJ Toshiba.
Probably the model they were selling....
As I say in the other thread, you will need some form of stand.
The Tosh one is DIY build but sturdy enough. Glass fronted with space for 2 small AV boxes and 2 larger ones (though big amps may have problems fitting.)
I have sky analog/sky digital on the small side and a VCR on the bigger side.
My amp, DVD and OnDigital box are in another cabinet.
Holy smokes, just gave TV+Video Direct a call, they've got the 43VJ in right now and can do next day delivery all inclusive of £1050 ! Gonna definately cancel the Robert Whyte order.
Woohoo ! All done, its arriving tommorow morning :D
Originally posted by HBK757
Holy smokes, just gave TV+Video Direct a call, they've got the 43VJ in right now and can do next day delivery all inclusive of £1050 ! Gonna definately cancel the Robert Whyte order.
Well done, bet you dont sleep tonight, do you have their number by any chance, do you get a free stand or warrenty etc with that.
here are their numbers
01204 394422
01942 602076
01204 395999
after 7pm - 07771 802299
Dammit, had to clear some funds from the Credit card, now it won't be until next week LOL :D
I'll get my hands on this tv one day if it kills me :D
jon smith
16-01-2002, 13:14
I have to say it makes me strangely happy to see more cancelled Robert Whyte orders...
Robertsons online have it at 1150 with no stand and the stand is 135, is it required to have a stand, from the sounds of things the extra height gives you a better picture.
Anywhere else around this price WITH the stand incuded, must be somewhere that does finance.
can someone tell me the internal dimensions of the stand for the toshiba 40PW13B please? or send me a piccy with their stuff in it?
or do any other tosh stands fit it?
cheers
P
sirp23@yahoo.com
cmon guys..just need the height of the widey tosh stand (for the 08 or 13 models)to see if i can fit my Sony DB940, Pioneer 545DVD and pace sky box? if i can then i can bung my consoles elsewhere....but i aint running huge cable for the other stuff around :)
BOZZDUDE
18-01-2002, 10:24
sirp,I've got the 40PW03 which I think has the same stand.
I've not got a tape handy but all I can squeeze in there is a video recorder and me Sky box with enough room down one side for a stack of video tapes.
crikey..not much of a stand eh.... :O( thought i might just squeeze my amp, pace and dvd in there...but sounds a no-goer eh..dam..looks like i may have to resort to buying some long leads inclcuding a 5m scart lead!!!!! and separate storage unit :(
evilvampire
21-01-2002, 00:31
I'm looking at getting this wonderful TV now 43vj13p. So if anyone has ordered it from TV+Video Direct can they say how it went please. And does the price of £1050 include the stand at all.
No the price doesn't include the stand. They quoted the stand as being an extra £135 to me. The tv is due to arrive in the morning (Monday), I'll let you know how it goes :D
jon smith
22-01-2002, 11:08
Does the 43vj13p have component connections, or are these only the 42 inch widescreen model?
No component connections, only 3 scarts + s-video ect...
Originally posted by HBK757
No component connections, only 3 scarts + s-video ect...
The 43VJ DOES have component inputs :eek:
Yup my bad, just checked and it does lol :D
The Sony KP41DS1 is providing me with some problems, I noticed light smearing to the right when I first got it, Sony have bought me a new one and its exactly the same, they look dumbfounded but I get the feeling there all like it now. It's only when a white is next to a green(through to dark brown colour) the smearing can range from a couple of inches to all the way accross depending on the length of the green / brown adjacent to it.
Does the tosh show any similar faults or has anyone else got a Sony and experienced a similar experience(or not had any problem).
I'm now wondering if to hassle for a refund to replace it with a Tosh, the picture is great though I wish they could just sort out this issue.
jon smith
22-01-2002, 14:42
Thanks for the info on the component inputs (would be handy for the gamecube).
Similar problem to Masha myself. Samsung and Robert Whyte have agreed to give me credit for my Samsung 43 inch. My main decision now is whether to accept a replacement or choose one of the new Toshibas.
I currently have the Samsung on a Sound Organisation AV rack (as it's a table top model). Of course getting either of the Toshs means i'd have to get rid of this (is it's 50cms odd high) and get a Hifi rack to go next to it (taking up more room). The Samsung was only something like 29kgs as well (i live in a 2nd floor flat and this is ideally light and slim). The Toshs aren't too bad at 51kg.
Gonna be a lot of hard thinking ahead. I must admit I am tempted to go back to 4:3 to avoid all this ratio changing hassle. A lot cheaper too.
On the 43VJ, how high is the speaker part of the TV (what height does the picture start at)? Could someone check for me. I don't really want a little stand underneath and another one to the side.
My Tosh 43VJ got here this morning, man I'm AMAZED at the quality of a DVD picture. If can't recommened the TV highly enough, no problems at all as yet.
Btw the speaker height (underneath tv) is 16inches and its 19 inches altogether until the actual screen starts.
jon smith
22-01-2002, 15:50
Originally posted by HBK757
My Tosh 43VJ got here this morning, man I'm AMAZED at the quality of a DVD picture. If can't recommened the TV highly enough, no problems at all as yet.
Btw the speaker height (underneath tv) is 16inches and its 19 inches altogether until the actual screen starts.
Thanks for that. My stand is definitely too high to hold the TV permanently, but would do until I got the Hifi one.
Looking around, it seems that people are having far more problems with 16:9 RPTV models than they are with 4:3. I may just have to face it and get the 4:3 (a fair few hundred quid would wing it's way back to me as well).
Something to consider - I purchased the Tosh via an auction for £899 approx. 1 year ago. (freeserve auctions) from a company AV World,19 West St,Fareham,Hampshire. Tel 01329 829297. Completley boxed and with 1 year manuafacturers warranty.
Might be worth giving them a try!!
Btw, is anyone with one of these TV's running a wire to the tv from a sky/cable digibox ?? I have the TV upstairs and Sky downstairs so the wire is near 20 meters long. The picture quality is not very good at all. The wire I'm using isn't digital, although I have seen so called digital aerial wires in Dixons, before I buy I just wondered if anyone is in the same situation and is able to get good picture quality ?
If so what are you using ? And would this "digital" cable give much better quality as the other standard cable ?
The cable I'm using now is a 3C-2V Coaxial Aerial cable.
Thanks for any help. :D
jon smith
23-01-2002, 14:50
Sorry, another question from me.
Does the new 42 inch Tosh show RGB pictures in their proper ratio (4:3 can be watched in 4:3 or does it stretch them automatically to a wider ratio). My Samsung could only show RGB as widescreen, a pain on tv material.
Looked at the 43 inch and the 42 today in tottenham court road. Terribly set up, but the both look alright and wouldn't look out of place in my lounge. Will I have any problems getting them up the stairs when they arrive (i'm in a 2nd floor flat). Had hardly any probls with a 4:3 41 inch Sony, but that wasn't packed up).
Er well put it this way - the box the set comes in is about 5'10 tall. Make sure you've got someone to help get the monster up the stairs, its BLOODY heavy :nuts:
jon smith
23-01-2002, 15:05
Originally posted by HBK757
Er well put it this way - the box the set comes in is about 5'10 tall. Make sure you've got someone to help get the monster up the stairs, its BLOODY heavy :nuts:
Wuss, it's only about 51kg. Lighter than most large tvs (rear projection or otherwise). My Samsung is 29kg (lovely to carry too and frow).
Do you still have the box, could you measure the width - otherwise I may have to unpack it and then bring it up. Oh the pains of renting. I had my own house i'd just get the biggest TV i could find and not care about these trivial things.
Thanks for replying;)
EDIT: really must chance my sig
Sorry bud, don't have the box no more :(
Anyone having a very slight problem with a 1:85 widescreen mode ??
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As you can see by that the letterbox is slightly off on the right hand side, it really is barely noticable. This does not seem to happen with 2:35 mode. I just wondered if there's any way to fix this using the service menu ? If anyone can help please let me know.
Thanks.
I got the 43pj93 with the Eltax subwoofer, but now it is giving a lot of rumbles and poppings. Anyone know why it's doing this?
Originally posted by A²
Howdo,
I just collected one of these from S&V (as a replacement to my 43PJwhatsitnot) and its absolutely fantastic! There's a slightly odd flickering line being displayed on the left side of the screen (see below)
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but it only shows in full framed anamorphic mode (16:9 no mask), so I guess I can tweak it with overscan. Anyway, its only like a single scan line, reaching about an 8th of the screen width. Small matter. My sony CRT set did that on NTSC with a blinding white line, so this is way better.
Best thing is there's absolutely no issues with convergence at all. It really is like a cinema, and I see exactly what people were describing as a more film like image.
Darn thing's silver, of course, which regally clashes with my 'tv grey' sofa. Oh, and does anyone know if there's a stand available? She don't fit the old one... :(
Cheers all,
A²
Aha ! This is exactly what I'm talking about. A2 - Have you managed to fix this ? I note you call the problem "overscan" - is there a way to fix this ? I have the Avia Home Theater setup DVD, could I use this ?
Thanks.
Can anyone tell me with depth of the top of the screen on the Toshiba 42WH18B, I need dimensions to see if my speaker will fit on it.
Anyone know anywhere uk based, or American based which will ship to the UK, that sell convergence grids so the geomatry/convergence can be lined up perfectly ? If anyone knows anywhere that sells them gimme a shout,
Cheers.
jon smith
29-01-2002, 09:20
Has anyone bought the 42 inch widescreen, it seems everyone is going for the 43 inch 4:3.
EDIT: Must remember to change sig
Anyone know if going into the Service menu voids your warrenty ? I need to know if its safe to tell the Toshiba engineer when he comes to try and fix the tv. I made the mistake of playing around with the green gun in the service menu/convergence and now everything is bent and generally messed up. PAL convergence is virtually beyond repair :mad: :mad: So hopefully he will either fix it or write the tv off.
Thanks.
jon smith
ive bought the 40" wh08b, and am well pleased with it..after speaknig to toshiba last week, before my purchase...they told me its the same set as the 42" one; they said they were supposed to release a IDTV version...and they decided not to...this left them with lots of new shiny grey cases to fill....and they did with the wh08b..more or less m8.
top tv..
P
Originally posted by HBK757
Anyone know if going into the Service menu voids your warrenty ?
Ooh, messy. I was all over my service menus prior to an (admittedly useless) engineer coming out, and he never spotted it. There's no sign of a date stamp in the menus, so I think you're safe.
To be fair, the engineer can probably restore your settings quite quickly. Ideally, he/she'll bring a grid, otherwise its up to their eyes. Might be worth requesting in advance. (and stealing afterwards).
A²
Originally posted by A²
Ooh, messy. I was all over my service menus prior to an (admittedly useless) engineer coming out, and he never spotted it. There's no sign of a date stamp in the menus, so I think you're safe.
To be fair, the engineer can probably restore your settings quite quickly. Ideally, he/she'll bring a grid, otherwise its up to their eyes. Might be worth requesting in advance. (and stealing afterwards).
A²
Thanks for that info :D Just been on the phone to tv+video direct and I should get a call from the engineer today sometime. They guy reckons if its a user adjusted convergence problem then I'd have to pay a charge of around £55. I'm just gonna say I turned it on one morning and bam it was totally screwed up. If the engineer has a 43" geometry grid on him I'll offer him £20 for it :D
Good stuff.
Make sure you have PAL and NTSC discs for reference, and remember to switch the set to and from anamorphic at each stage. These sets have a copy from PAL (and probably from NTSC), but NOT a copy from PAL to NTSC.
Ideally the discs will have a full screen of high contrast text at the beginning (FBI warning/Copyright notice) which you can check against.
I've found most success with:
PAL 4:3 (verify with text, verify with image)
copy to PAL anamorphic (verify with text, verify with image)
NTSC 4:3 (verify with text, verify with image)
copy to NTSC anamorphic (verify with text, verify with image)
Switch off the set. Allow to stand for 10 secs.
Turn it on and verify PAL, then NTSC again (just to make sure the settings were stored and did not overwrite each other).
Oh, and best to befriend the engineer. Find a film/conversation he's interested in, and he'll stick around longer. Chances are, he'll want to leave after PAL4:3 is done...
Don't forget to have the set on for half hour before he gets there, otherwise the calibration will change when it warms up.
Let us know how you fair,
A²
Originally posted by A²
Good stuff.
Make sure you have PAL and NTSC discs for reference, and remember to switch the set to and from anamorphic at each stage. These sets have a copy from PAL (and probably from NTSC), but NOT a copy from PAL to NTSC.
Ideally the discs will have a full screen of high contrast text at the beginning (FBI warning/Copyright notice) which you can check against.
I've found most success with:
PAL 4:3 (verify with text, verify with image)
copy to PAL anamorphic (verify with text, verify with image)
NTSC 4:3 (verify with text, verify with image)
copy to NTSC anamorphic (verify with text, verify with image)
Switch off the set. Allow to stand for 10 secs.
Turn it on and verify PAL, then NTSC again (just to make sure the settings were stored and did not overwrite each other).
Oh, and best to befriend the engineer. Find a film/conversation he's interested in, and he'll stick around longer. Chances are, he'll want to leave after PAL4:3 is done...
Don't forget to have the set on for half hour before he gets there, otherwise the calibration will change when it warms up.
Let us know how you fair,
A²
Ok thanks. It should be interesting. I've no idea how the guy is gonna fix it by simply adjusting convergence manually. Put it this way - in PAL mode there isn't a grid in the middle of the screen. The grid is either side and the red/blue are so far off the green its untrue. Oh and the green lines are bent all over the place. All in all its a total shambles.
So how did you get it in that state in the first place?
Didn't you just try and fine tune the convergence? In which case... How did it get so bad.
Its not a criticism, its only because I was going to have a go soon and fore-warned is fore-armed... :)
Good luck, let us know how it went...
Originally posted by minty
So how did you get it in that state in the first place?
Didn't you just try and fine tune the convergence? In which case... How did it get so bad.
Its not a criticism, its only because I was going to have a go soon and fore-warned is fore-armed... :)
Good luck, let us know how it went...
Ok I'll try and explain. Yes I did fiddle with the convergence - the green gun which effects geometry too. I didn't move the green to much generally. DO NOT touch the green gun unless you have a convergence grid overlay. But as far as the PAL mode problem goes I plead not guilty your honour :p I just turned on the TV one morning and there was a huge gap in the middle of the convergence grid. No idea at all how it got there :confused:
jon smith
31-01-2002, 16:51
Well, I hope it gets sorted HBK757. It sounds like it wasn't actually anything you did, are you practising for when the engineer comes.
One final question from me before I finally get a new TV, honest. How tall are the stands for the 43VJ and the 43 widescreen. Gotta know whether I need the stand or not?
jon smith
31-01-2002, 16:51
Well, I hope it gets sorted HBK757. It sounds like it wasn't actually anything you did, are you practising for when the engineer comes.
One final question from me before I finally get a new TV, honest. How tall are the stands for the 43VJ and the 42 widescreen. Gotta know whether I need the stand or not?
Thanks John, the engineer is coming out on Monday. If he can do a really good job on it with the geometry/convergence I'll give him 50 notes as a thanku :D
Btw, the stand for the 43" Toshiba's is 18" tall. Not sure about the 42" Widescreen though.
CraigKORE
03-02-2002, 15:06
Oh why did I have to read this bloody thread!
Think I'm gonna have to invest in one of these Toshiba 43" bad boys now....
Originally posted by CraigKORE
Oh why did I have to read this bloody thread!
Think I'm gonna have to invest in one of these Toshiba 43" bad boys now....
Yup yup :D Well worth the money IMO, especially if you get the convergence spot on, just don't move the green gun though :o
CraigKORE
03-02-2002, 16:06
Need some help here people.... :)
Could someone tell me, or show me, exactly what the cabinet/stand looks like for these things? I have just came back from Comet, and seen the 43" Toshiba in there, as well as a few other RP's, but none of them seem to be sitting on anything apart from the base.
Hope this makes sense! I take it the picture below is the TV without the cabinet/stand?
http://www.avshopdirect.co.uk/shop1/rearpix/tosh_43pj93b.jpg
Thanks for any help! :)
The stand to my 43PJ model adds to the bottom with glass fronting and a matching grey set of panels. The newer Tosh though appears (from what I've read here) to be a bit different.
Oh, HBK we are waiting for your engineers report....
I'm waiting too, he still hasn't been yet :mad:
Well for anyone interested, the engineer just left after looking at the TV for all of 2 minutes. As soon as he saw the state of PAL convergence he kinda wanted to run away and cry :D
He reckons the convergence board is broken and will need replacing. Phoned TV+Video Direct and told them I would like a new TV instead of a repaired one, has to clear with the manager apparently but they seemed very helpful. So hopefully everything should go ok :D
Woohoo, they are delivering a new TV on Wednesday morning and taking this one at the same time. TV+video Direct have been very good, I'd recommened them to anyone :p
Psychic Cookie
07-02-2002, 16:13
I'm on the verge of buying my first RPTV as well (for the garage believe it or not!) and was reading some reviews the other day and the Sony KP44PS2 came out ahead of all the Toshiba's. Now I LIKE Toshiba products, my last three TV's have all been Toshiba but now I'm starting to wonder about giving Sony a bash.
One thing that struck me about the Sony was that it had 'auto convergence' so presummably there is no faffing about trying to get everything lined up manually. Is this a good thing of not?
Has anyone been able to purchase a service manual for their Toshiba RPTV ? I've been searching around and can't seem to find anywhere that does em. Any help would be great.
Cheers.
Back the the top we go :D :clap: :D
See my post in the RPTV dead pixels thread for a service manual for a similar chassis (but an NTSC hdtv inside it).
Useful for lens cleaning tips etc
Sprout Crumble
23-03-2002, 15:12
Woohoo.. Just got my replacement 43VJ for the bedroom to replace the one those a-oles at Currys sold me.
RGB's for £1100. Good deal after ringing around absolutely everywhere and only Robert Whytes being 50 quid cheaper, and I've been put off them by numerous posts about their customer service anyway. Plus RGB delivered it 20 hours after ordering.
Off to play.
Nice to see this thread still going. ;)
Korben D
24-03-2002, 13:50
My toshiba one has been lying dead since november. No one wants to repair it. Soon as I say it's a rear projetion screen suddenly there really busy and backed up with work. Since the guarantee's finished the place I bought it from is of absolutely no help and even there service department won't repair it saying it's too large even though they did before when it had the same problem and was under guarantee. I wish I hadn't have bought mine now. Piece of dead junk. Only option is currys mastercare now and they have a terrible reputation but at least they will be able to take it to be repaired instead of me hiring a van and getting 4 or 5 guys to move it.
If anyone in the Glasgow area has had theres repaired please let me know where.
:(
Sprout Crumble
24-03-2002, 20:40
Originally posted by Psychic Cookie
I'm on the verge of buying my first RPTV as well (for the garage believe it or not!) and was reading some reviews the other day and the Sony KP44PS2 came out ahead of all the Toshiba's. Now I LIKE Toshiba products, my last three TV's have all been Toshiba but now I'm starting to wonder about giving Sony a bash.
One thing that struck me about the Sony was that it had 'auto convergence' so presummably there is no faffing about trying to get everything lined up manually. Is this a good thing of not?
The Toshiba 42 has one the HCC award for best RPtv this year and has had generally equal or better reviews.
Add in the fact that the Tosh can be picked up for £1450 and the Sony for £2150 and the decision becomes a no-brainer. The Sony's good. but it aint that good.
Ian Gray
27-03-2002, 17:05
So did anyone ever find out about service manuals for Tosh RPTV's ?????
Originally posted by Ian Gray
So did anyone ever find out about service manuals for Tosh RPTV's ?????
Nope, contacted a couple of companies which I thought might be able to get hold of em but no joy so far. :mad:
r.vernon1
28-03-2002, 20:37
Hi,
I would just like to thank the members of these forums, more notably the people who posted on this thread for helpling me make my decision to join the RPTV world. Getting a Toshiba 40PW13B, gets delivered tommorow, and managed to get it for about £1350 inc delivery. I take it that it comes with stand bit at the bottom (the bit with the speakers built in). Just that a saw a site that gave prices with or without the stand. Sorry to sound like a RPTV virgin! I have heard people talk about different models but not really this one, does anyone have any feedback on this model? Is the manual convergence hard to get right?
Thanks once again guys for all the above, and theres lots of it, info and commments.
Keep up the good work
Rob
Originally posted by r.vernon1
Hi,
I would just like to thank the members of these forums, more notably the people who posted on this thread for helpling me make my decision to join the RPTV world. Getting a Toshiba 40PW13B, gets delivered tommorow, and managed to get it for about £1350 inc delivery. I take it that it comes with stand bit at the bottom (the bit with the speakers built in). Just that a saw a site that gave prices with or without the stand. Sorry to sound like a RPTV virgin! I have heard people talk about different models but not really this one, does anyone have any feedback on this model? Is the manual convergence hard to get right?
Thanks once again guys for all the above, and theres lots of it, info and commments.
Keep up the good work
Rob
I would like to think it comes with the stand cause you can buy that TV from many places for about £1100 without the stand. To be honest you need to ask when you buy if the stand is included. Some shops may not include it if you don't request it.
r.vernon1
29-03-2002, 14:24
Just got the baby today and I must say it looks superb, especially after using the convergence function. So colourful and bright and this was in the day with light shining in.....God knows what it will be like when its dark.
Just a quick question, what does everybody use generally for the pitcure settings, like brightness, tint etc. This for normal sky digital use or DVD.
I am certain I can get a better picture than I have now from what I hear from others with a little tinkering around these controls. Any suggestions??
Thanks
Rob
Originally posted by r.vernon1
Just got the baby today and I must say it looks superb, especially after using the convergence function. So colourful and bright and this was in the day with light shining in.....God knows what it will be like when its dark.
Just a quick question, what does everybody use generally for the pitcure settings, like brightness, tint etc. This for normal sky digital use or DVD.
I am certain I can get a better picture than I have now from what I hear from others with a little tinkering around these controls. Any suggestions??
Thanks
Rob
Buy the Avia Home Theater Calibration DVD from Amazon.com ASAP. Its essential if you have a projection setup. It will give you all the accurate settings for your TV. Mine are as follows -
Contrast = 40
Brightness = 32
Colour = 38
Tint = -15
Sharpness = -50
NR = Off
r.vernon1
29-03-2002, 17:25
What, you have NR turned OFF??? i was told this is vital to keep a better softer picture,
Do you think it is better with it turned off?
Originally posted by r.vernon1
What, you have NR turned OFF??? i was told this is vital to keep a better softer picture,
Do you think it is better with it turned off?
Well have it turned on to clean up a slightly noisy picture such as Sky Digital or something like that. But definately have it turned OFF for DVD's.
just gave your settings a run and it does look pretty nice - I set mine up with a THX test thingymagigg on T2UE and the settings tend to reset back to all the 50's every now and again - ARGH!
What's with the sharpness setting though? I must admit, I didn't see much difference.......
Originally posted by mjb1975
just gave your settings a run and it does look pretty nice - I set mine up with a THX test thingymagigg on T2UE and the settings tend to reset back to all the 50's every now and again - ARGH!
What's with the sharpness setting though? I must admit, I didn't see much difference.......
You need the Avia Home Theater Calibration DVD to notice Sharpness effects. Believe me its pretty noticable when you look at the test pattern.
r.vernon1
29-03-2002, 20:13
Is there something on the T2 UE that helps with calibrating the TV??
Is this R1 or the R2 version??
I have the R1 version, but have never seen this.
LMK
Thanks lads
Rob
Fortunately, mine's the R1 too (I'm not sure if it appears on the R2). You can find it on the menu system somewhere - I say somewhere cos I can't be sure where as I haven't used the disc in a long time, but it's when the Terminator's head turns to one side - the THX logo is in the middle of his head (about the ear if you can picture what I'm trying to say!!!).
My god, that's an awful description! Still, I hope that's enough for you to find it!
evilvampire
13-04-2002, 04:00
I'm getting geared up to buy the 43VJ13 soon probably next week. I just have a few questions.
1: Has anybody taken out any extended warranty out if so where from.
2. Is 9ft enough distance from the screen. I know some have said that 7-10ft is fine, but know people have lived with this beauty what do you think.
Sorry to dig this thread up again, but I've been planning to get this for ages and just want some assurances.
Sprout Crumble
13-04-2002, 09:14
Originally posted by evilvampire
I'm getting geared up to buy the 43VJ13 soon probably next week. I just have a few questions.
1: Has anybody taken out any extended warranty out if so where from.
2. Is 9ft enough distance from the screen. I know some have said that 7-10ft is fine, but know people have lived with this beauty what do you think.
Sorry to dig this thread up again, but I've been planning to get this for ages and just want some assurances.
9ft is perfect for this tv.
Didn't get the extended warranty but RGB's, where I purchased mine, said I could buy it at any time in the first year.
jon smith
05-06-2002, 11:58
This time last year I had a Sony 41inch 4:3 rear projection set. After a dodgy Samsung 43 w/s rear projection and a dodgy Panasonic 42 inch w/s set.. i've now gone and bought the Tosh 43VJ... so back to 4:3 and i'm hardly any better off than I was last year (And have had no end of hassle). Is a really nice set though and 4:3 really is less hassle (particularly with so many dodgy widescreen rear projection sets about)...
HBK757 - your settings are about right, thanks for saving me the hassle.
BTW... How do you claim the free subwoofer.
Originally posted by jon smith
BTW... How do you claim the free subwoofer.
I think that it was a limited offer about a year ago. You got a leaflet with the TV set which you send off and claim the sub. I think the offer isn't valid anymore. It wasn't when I bought mine back in January.
Sprout Crumble
05-06-2002, 17:53
Bloody hell, is this thread still going. :cool:
The construction site I'm working on now in Gresham St nr St.Pauls, has just paid out for TWO Tosh 42" widescreens so that all the lads can watch the footie.
Grand gesture I thought, although its a £60 million contract so its hardly broken into petty cash. Great atmosphere watching the paddys play today. :)
evilvampire
05-06-2002, 22:00
The offer for the sub is back on. You should have got a leaflet with the TV if not ring the place where you bought it up and ask for it. It last till the end of june so be quick.
I just took the plunge and bought the 42 PW23B from a local dealer on Friday. ( actually exchanged my 32" cos it was faulty, and the third faulty Panny I have had in 5 months)
I got it delivered Saturday and my jaw hit the floor when I got it up and running, the quality blew me away, especially on DVD.
I've only got one minor niggle which doesn't really bother me as I didn't expect the quality to be as good as it is. The niggle is the scan lines on light scenes such as the sky in "Cast Away", they are slightly visible but easily bearable. I assume its cos its a 50hz set, I would be grateful if anyone could confirm this.
Overall it has surpassed my expectations, well impressed.
Cheers
JamesThomson
11-06-2002, 16:14
I also have the 42PW23P and have noticed the scan lines on lighter colours but although I can see them it isn't too much of a problem, still worth the money for a 42" screen.
14 months on and my 43pj93 just suddenly decided to go all fishbowl on me. Top and bottom middle part of the image have compressed leaving ~ 1cm top and bottom middle of curvature. Edges are still where they should be. (like an hourglass on its side)
Anybody had this happen (and fixed it with the service menu??) or is it a broken board????
Service menu tips (on what to adjust) would be appreciated.
PS Welcome back to this thread. I've missed you.
Sounds like a problem for the engineer.
But you could try adjusting the convergence in the service menu. First adjust the green grid so that the geometry is near perfect, then align the red grid to the green, and finallly align the blue grid to the red. Here are some detailed instructions I found elsewhere:
Press mute on the remote and release
Press mute on the remote again and hold,
At the same time press the menu key on the TV’s front panel
You should then see an “S” appear in the top right of the screen
At the same time the first service parameter “RCUT” should appear in the mode top left of the screen together with its setting value below.
Now the program buttons on the remote select the next and previous options, the volume +/_ are used to increase/decrease the selected parameter values.
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Ok from the service menu you can select the screen mode with the size key on the remote, (although it probably best to do this before entering service mode). Also pay attention to the source that was selected when entering service mode. This is important when you want to set NTSC convergence, so ensure that the NTSC output of your dvd is selected when you want to do this.
Press the yellow teletext key to enter the service convergence grids.
Unlike the user convergence setting, all three-colour tubes can be manipulated independently from here.
The controls are as follows
Red Turn on/off the red grid
Green Turn on/off the green grid
Blue Turn on/off the blue grid
Yellow Save and Exit convergence mode
2 UP
4 Left
6 Right
8 Down
The 3 key changes the colour of the cursor and hence the colour grid that will be modified
Having moved the cursor to the grid point that you want to modify you then need to use the “5” key to select the point.
At this stage the cursor should stop flashing and become solid, you can then use the other number keys to adjust your chosen colour grid.
Use the “5” key again once finished to fix that point and place the cursor back in the flashing mode where it can be moved around the screen
You may find it easier to use one of the colour grids as a reference point to which the other two can be converged.
I find it easier to use green as the reference can bring the red into line.
Then to bring blue into line with the red.
For some reason the blue seems a lot harder to see accurately and on my set at least appears to be less well focused than the other two.
Be aware though that adjusting one point on the grid can affect neighbouring points. So you may have to go back and readjust certain points to get things just so.
Finally once finished press the yellow key to save the setting,
(The screen looks like the convergence and geometry have totally gone out of the window while this happens). Press the yellow key again to exit. You'll need to repeat this for each picture mode: PAL 4:3, PAL wide, NTSC 4:3 and NTSC wide. Turn off the TV to exit from service mode.
Hope you sort it out soon.
soberion
16-07-2002, 12:15
Wow, the thread that just won't lie down and die :clap:
I'm hopefully going to have a few pennies going spare soon and am trying to decide between 32", 36" CRT or a 42" RPTV. The one thing that's troubling me most about the RPTV is the drop in contrast when off centre. As a preliminary scouting exercise I was in Dixons at the weekend and they had two RP's a sony 41" and a Samsung 42". The Sony dodn't seem to bad but the Samsung lost contrast towards the edges of the picture even when sat directly in front of it.
I'm becoming very tempted by a 36", but it's a lot of money for 6" less.
Am I just being greedy? Would a 32" be perfectly adequate? the hot seat in the living room is about 6-8 feet from the screen.
Gah! If only they wern't so big, I'd take one home to try.
Currently use a 28" Whafedale.
Dan Druff
16-07-2002, 13:28
Great thread..I'll be entering the world of Rear Projection soon (see thread (http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95819) and all the advice above comes in very handy..
Spooksta
17-07-2002, 08:03
Originally posted by Sprout Crumble
The Toshiba 42 has one the HCC award for best RPtv this year and has had generally equal or better reviews.
Add in the fact that the Tosh can be picked up for £1450 and the Sony for £2150 and the decision becomes a no-brainer. The Sony's good. but it aint that good.
Cookie is loaded so money aint a problem for him :p
But id go for the Tosh Cookie.Ive had 2 Sony RPTVs and the Tosh ones always get better reviews.
Ian Gray
17-07-2002, 09:32
Henry,
Do the instructions you provided for service adjustment of the convergence apply to other Tosh RPTV models ? I have a 40PW8DB. Overall the picture is fantastic however the top right of the screen the picture is slightly blurred. I reckon that it's the convergence that needs adjusting but the user option is no good.
Ian
Originally posted by Ian Gray
Henry,
Do the instructions you provided for service adjustment of the convergence apply to other Tosh RPTV models ? I have a 40PW8DB. Overall the picture is fantastic however the top right of the screen the picture is slightly blurred. I reckon that it's the convergence that needs adjusting but the user option is no good.
Ian
Yep, the instructions apply to all Tosh RPTVs from the past 3 years or so. I've had my 56PW8 for 3 years and thought the picture was perfect until I recently went through the service menu convergence grids. To put it mildly, there was a lot of room was improvement! The service menu allows for convergence adjustments at 64 points of the screen and I couldn't believe how far out the convergence was, especially in the corners and sides. Also, by adjusting the green grid (someting you can't do in the user menu), you can get rid of any geometry problems. For example, there was a very slight rainbow curve along the top of my screen (noticeable when watching 2.35:1 material) which was easily fixed.
There're more modes that need to be adjusted on a widescreen set. I started with the ones I mostly often use: PAL wide and NTSC wide, and then 'Super Live', 'Cinema', etc.
Ian Gray
17-07-2002, 11:49
Thanks for the reply Henry, you've done me proud!
I stuck in my R1 copy of Collateral Damage and followed your instructions (with the TV on WIDE setting). I couldn't believe how far the edges were out, especially the right hand side.
At the beginning of the film (fire sequence) there are credits on the bottom right corner, they are in blue. Before adjustment the very right hand letters of the credit were slightly blurred and had a red area around them. After adjustment they are sharp and solid blue in colour.
Can you clarify for me this...
Are the separate convergence settings for NTSC and PAL and also each picture size setting ? i.e. Do I need to adjust the convergence again for watching Sky ?
Once again, thanks for your help
Ian
Originally posted by Ian Gray
Can you clarify for me this...
Are the separate convergence settings for NTSC and PAL and also each picture size setting ? i.e. Do I need to adjust the convergence again for watching Sky ?
Once again, thanks for your help
Ian
The convergence settings are indeed separate for NTSC and PAL and for each picture size setting, so you'll have to adjust them one by one.
It's quite time consuming but well worth doing!
Thanks Henry and everyone else.
Since my convergence has suddenly gone all over the shop on all modes (NTSC/PAL normal/WIDE) and horizontal lines/bars (e.g. in teletext) are wavey as hell, I suspect a fault somewhere rather than anything else.
Suspiciously it happened as I started playing ICO on my PS2 for the first time and setting it to 60Hz mode. As soon as I finished playing the TV went wavey fishbowl on me. Maybe just a concidence, but I think I'll stick to 50Hz in future.
Can anyone recommend a TV repair strategy as my local TV repair places don't want to know!
South coast (Southampton) recommendations welcome.
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 13:44
^
Best online stores for the Toshiba 43VJ13P..?
Post URLs..see Sound and Vision mentioned above..Techtronics has bad rep, initial choice..
Great thread!
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 13:46
Em, see this demo model.. (http://www.robertwhyteltd.co.uk/shop2/rear/tosh_43pj93bEXDEMO.htm)..what do you think?
EDIT: No use for me..outside UK mainland..:sad:
Need others.
I wouldn't buy an ex-demo RPTV unless I can be sure how much time it's been on display. For example, 8 hours a day for 6 months = 1400 hours = a third of it's life time.
without trawling through the hundreds of posts, where's the cheapest / best palce to get one of the tosh 43PJ93B sets?
not bothered about the stand, as i already have a cabinet to house my AV kit
cheers in advance! :)
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 16:01
kez - Toshiba 43VJ13P is the new model. Buy here (http://www.robertwhyteltd.co.uk/shop2/rear/tosh_43pj93b.htm). One ecommended in previous posts (and its worth a trawl - very good info).
That URL is for UK only - I need similar for overseas/British Isles shipping..please post here with reputable sites.
Thanks,
Dan Druff
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 16:14
Found this site (http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/default.asp?src=pricerun&page=product&sku=100035) and this (http://www.electronics-plc.com/store/merchant.ihtml?pid=303&step=4)..latter is expensive..Unbeatable.co.uk a good site?
cheers dan,
i looked on r whytes, but couldn't find it! how odd!?
i've read about 3 pages worth, and you're right - definitely worth a read - just not from work! ;)
unbeatable.co.uk rings a bell, but i'm nor sure if it was for good or bad reasons! sorry!
and cheers for the links, again! :)
looks like the Toshiba 43VJ13P is only £5 here...
http://www.21stcenturyav.com/site/plasmascreens_spec.php?plasid=136
shame there's no link to order it! :(
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 17:17
Thats 21st century place looks a bit iffy..£5 or £5875? :eek:
Good stuff kez keep 'em coming..
Dan Druff
31-07-2002, 17:53
Gultronics (http://www.gultronics.co.uk/og/index.html)
Sorry to bring this thread back up, but it's been an interesting read while I have been waiting to get my TV.
Anyway got it today a Toshiba 40WH08B and so far am very impressed. Put some external front speakers on it so I can use the TV as the center. Am using some B&W solids for front and back, pity you can't use an external center.
The only thing I have against if I had to choose something would be the height, I could do with the extra stand at the bottom being half it's height.
Not sure how to connect everything up yet, but will work it out in time.
Dave
Originally posted by Dave B
Sorry to bring this thread back up, but it's been an interesting read while I have been waiting to get my TV.
Nothing to be sorry about.
Welcome to the club. :clap:
ok guys,
1 year, 4months and 17 days since i started this thread, i am sorry to say that i have finally succumbed and purchased a Toshiba 42wh18b, YIPEE
now for all u guys out there with this tv, what settings should i use for contrast , brightness convergence etc.
once again, thankyou guys for finally pursuading me to get one..........now how do i tell the mrs !!!
Originally posted by ibster
ok guys,
1 year, 4months and 17 days since i started this thread, i am sorry to say that i have finally succumbed and purchased a Toshiba 42wh18b, YIPEE
now for all u guys out there with this tv, what settings should i use for contrast , brightness convergence etc.
once again, thankyou guys for finally pursuading me to get one..........now how do i tell the mrs !!!
Well I'd say buy the Avia Home Theater Calibration DVD and set the TV accurately. However here are my settings for my 43VJ13P Toshiba which have been setup using Avia -
Contrast : 38
Brightness : 34
Colour : 38
Tint : -15
Sharpness : -20
NR : Off
Those should be pretty good guides for you.
Dan Druff
15-08-2002, 16:48
HBK757 - Thanks for the settings, always handy..will use when I get mine in September..
Just set up my 40PW13B ex demo from Robert Whytes and used above settings ty HBK757, excellent for evening viewing a tad dark for daylight but I will get used to it, as will the wife and kids. No marks on the cabinet and no sign of any burn or abuse, at the mo I am a very happy bunny.
CrumpetMan
20-08-2002, 17:07
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this but here goes anyway...
Unbeatable.co.uk have a few toshiba RPs advertised without a stand/cabinet and they have the same product with stand/cabinet for more money. For example, the toshiba 42PW23P is £1,157.96 without cabinet and £1,324.96 with. But looking at the pictures of the tvs without cabinet and it's just a picture of the screen itself! Now, I don't really know about rear projection but isn't the part underneath the screen actually part of the tv? Here's the link:
http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/product_main.asp?sku=104247&shopid=SHOPBJDBJFCCFEIWNIP4738GORM1650VRSM1216
Crumpetman - Here's what the Toshiba RPTV you mention looks like in the full -
http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/consumer.nsf/popupv3/PTHY-5AJJWJ/$file/42pw23_a.jpg
Ignore the picture at unbeatable, thats a picture of the TV without the base and the extra cabinet. As you know you can buy the cabinet on request from most places which will raise the viewing height of the TV another 18". Hope that helps.
By the way, £1160 is a pretty tasty price for a 42" Widescreen RPTV. Back in December I purchased the 43VJ13P Toshiba because I didn't want the built in Dolby Digital which all the other TV's above 42" had. GRRRRRRR In fact, if the 42PW23 was out when I was buying, I would definately have bought it. Toshiba must have released this TV within the past 5 months or so.
http://www.unbeatable.co.uk are doing it for £1185 shipped. http://www.tvandvideodirect.com are doing it for £1215 shipped. I can personally recommend tvandvideodirect - they sorted out a problem I had with my RPTV very quickly and replaced it with no qualms. The owner of the company got actively involved and sorted it out for me. Unbeatable are cheaper, but I don't have any personal experience of their customer services.
jon smith
21-08-2002, 09:33
Having been fiddling with the service menu over the last few days. Am following the instructions for moving each gun, which are very simple. Finding it very difficult to get the green to line up properly though (let alone the others after that).
It bugs me when the black bars aren't straight and even on widescreen films, so am trying to get them straight. Anyone have any tips.
Also, can you copy the convergence on a page or do you have to do all 4 separately.
I've got the VJ43 BTW.
jon
Jon smith - I guess this might be too late - but don't EVER touch the green gun too much. If you must make adjustments to the green, do it VERY slowly and don't do it too much. Believe me adjusting the green gun can eventually get you into a position where the TV is warped or something like that. Best just to adjust the red to the green, the red to the blue, and then the red and blue to the green.
I personally would not copy any convergences. Just do them individually.
jon smith
21-08-2002, 13:54
Yep, I agree with that now. Has taken me a good couple of hours to salvage my NTSC widescreen (very happy with it now though). Just need to do the other 3 modes properly - I didn't muck around with those so much though.
ta anyway, jon.
Masanevre
07-09-2002, 11:13
I have a thread bout buying a new TV a rear projection TV but I think I will get better answers in this thread
Ok I have been thinking bout get a New TV for a while and have some ideas, but simply cannot make my mind up
I want to go for a Rear Projection TV but first want someone to back me up about not worrying about this screen burn you hear alot about on here.
Secondly I have 2 RP I have been looking at both of which are toshibas, One of which is 43 inches 4:3 43VJ13P. The other is a 16:9 which is 42 inches 42PW23. Now I want to watch DVDs on it which will consist of mostly movies, but also want to play games on it I, I saw a PS2 running on a 43 inch 4:3 sony and it was gob smacking, it just looked the biz. I will want also to watch programs like the Simpsons and Football.
Both are 50hz models which brings me to the debate, will i be satified with a 50hz Rear projection screen, just because its a bigger screen will the flicker be worse. Shoudl I look into 100hz cause in the past they looked pooor in comparison, moving objects on them did anyway. But i have been told they have improved.
Are the 2 TVs I am looking at any good or is there a better options like a different TV or go for a Projector with a screen? ANd wheres the best place to get these TVs from?
Mas
Masanevre -
[1] Buy Avia Home Theatre Calibration DVD and calibrate the RPTV for accurate brightness, contrast, colour, tint, sharpness levels. Setting the correct brightness and contrast will practically eliminate screen burn issues. Just don't leave the same logo or picture on the screen static for over an hour and you'll be fine.
[2] If you wanted to watch 100% widescreen DVD's and nothing else, the obvious choice would be a widescreen RPTV. But as you say, you want to use PS2 as well as standard TV programming. I have the 43VJ13P Toshiba myself and its a fantastic set. I'd highly reccomend it.
[3] The 50hz / 100hz issue. 50hz will produce a slight flicker which some people don't like. Personally I've never had a big problem with it at all. 100hz will not produce flicker, but at the same time can be very unpleasent which watching fast motion digital video such as football on Sky Sports. People have reported digital smearing and trails when the camera moves quickly. That's the problem with 100hz at the moment. It ain't water tight as far as picture stability goes. I'd stick with 50hz personally, especially if you plan on watching football.
[4] Buy the 43VJ13P from - http://www.tvandvideodirect.com - They offer very good prices along with next day delivery. When I bought mine from them the manager personally did everything he could to ensure everything went smoothly with my order. Highly reccomended.
Hope this helps.
Masanevre
07-09-2002, 13:37
Now I was confindent I was going to go for one of these, now I am wondering is it the right decision, because I am told you have to take alot of care with it, with issues like screen and burn and aslo I heard you have to change the bulbs quite often which will cost around 300 pounds which could be very costly. Any opnions on these issues?
Originally posted by Masanevre
Now I was confindent I was going to go for one of these, now I am wondering is it the right decision, because I am told you have to take alot of care with it, with issues like screen and burn and aslo I heard you have to change the bulbs quite often which will cost around 300 pounds which could be very costly. Any opnions on these issues?
Note what I said above about avoiding screenburn - Buy Avia and don't leave static images on the screen for more than 1 hour. Simply refresh the screen by pausing, changing channel or turning the tv off.
Bulbs have a life-span of about 5,000 hours. If you watch the TV for 5 hours per day, that's just under 3 years worth of watching. By which time the TV will probably be crap anyways :nuts:
Masanevre
07-09-2002, 18:20
Originally posted by HBK757
Note what I said above about avoiding screenburn - Buy Avia and don't leave static images on the screen for more than 1 hour. Simply refresh the screen by pausing, changing channel or turning the tv off.
Bulbs have a life-span of about 5,000 hours. If you watch the TV for 5 hours per day, that's just under 3 years worth of watching. By which time the TV will probably be crap anyways :nuts:
Yeah possibily might want to change by then.
Originally posted by HBK757
Note what I said above about avoiding screenburn - Buy Avia and don't leave static images on the screen for more than 1 hour. Simply refresh the screen by pausing, changing channel or turning the tv off.
It's very hard not to leave a Sky logo on the screen for more than an hour :oh-hum:
Bulbs have a life-span of about 5,000 hours. If you watch the TV for 5 hours per day, that's just under 3 years worth of watching. By which time the TV will probably be crap anyways
I had my last TV for 6 years and it's still going strong.
Dave
Masanevre
07-09-2002, 23:50
Originally posted by Dave B
It's very hard not to leave a Sky logo on the screen for more than an hour :oh-hum:
Bulbs have a life-span of about 5,000 hours. If you watch the TV for 5 hours per day, that's just under 3 years worth of watching. By which time the TV will probably be crap anyways
I had my last TV for 6 years and it's still going strong.
Dave
Have you been using it for your day to day TV or just for DVDs, either way thats pretty long. And are Toshiba the best in the Rear Projection sets. Seen some sony reviews and seem expensive but get good write up.
another thing to bear in mind, which has happened to mine, is that the anamorphic 'black bars' have burned slightly on to my screen. This is simply caused as I'm watching my Sky box (with the 16:9 tv option enabled) and many anamorphic DVD's. This means that my 4:3 telly is in 16:9 mode a lot of the time. Therefore, the area covered by the black bars has burnt into the screen slightly.
What I've done now, is turned my Sky box to letterbox mode, rather than anamorphic, and therefore the black bars are only enabled while watching DVD's. The burnt areas are present on 4:3 presentations, but only when the screen colours are very light. Annoying all the same though!!
Splinter
08-09-2002, 03:25
I've got a Tosh 42" 100hz set ans was wondering if any of you guys notice any grain on the picture hen watching DVDs. How bad it is varies from each disc but generally the DVDs that have the aspect ratio to fill the screen with no black bars showing are the worst - I guess because the picture's blown up more.
Anyone seen this? Starting to bug me now, I need to have wind the sharpness down to -45 for it to look ok on some DVDs.
Originally posted by Masanevre
Have you been using it for your day to day TV or just for DVDs, either way thats pretty long. And are Toshiba the best in the Rear Projection sets. Seen some sony reviews and seem expensive but get good write up.
My point was that HBK757 was saying that in 3 years you will probably be replacing anyway, I was saying I had my last TV for 6 years before I considered an upgrade. My last TV was NOT a RPTV, it was a normal 28" WS.
Dave
Ol' Blue Eyes
08-09-2002, 15:34
Originally posted by Masanevre
Have you been using it for your day to day TV or just for DVDs, either way thats pretty long. And are Toshiba the best in the Rear Projection sets. Seen some sony reviews and seem expensive but get good write up.
I just paid £1100 for a Toshipa 42" from Empire Direct. Fantastic set, as long as you have the space for it, and very reasonably priced. The picture is amazing.
I think it's time this thread gets 'upped'. :)
SwinnyDon
03-03-2003, 11:44
lol
CraigKORE
07-03-2003, 19:16
Nearly 2 years later and I still aint sure whether or no to got for the Tosh 43PJ93B... :rolleyes:
I read this thread as my reference, went for it, and don't regret it for one moment.
Only thing is, that was about 18 months ago and I've now got a projector and am considering selling my 43 incher.....still umming and ahhing.
CraigKORE
25-04-2003, 11:05
This thread started with people buying the Tosh 43PJ93. The thread was still going strong when the model got updated with the 43VJ13, and now I have finally decided to go for it, the new updated model is just out, the 43VJ22P! :D
Dont know yet exactly what has changed with this new one, apart from the back of the set is now silver as well as the rest of it. Getting it delivered next week from Sound And Vision, and managed to get it for a great price of £1059, and that's including the glass cabinet and delivery, incase anyone else is interested.
Some places still charge nearly 200 quid for the cabinet alone!
Roll on next week is all I can say! Will post again with a review of the new model once I get my hands on it. Time to have a read back over this thread though as it really is a great reference piece for the 43inch Tosh... :thumbs:
I've had mine for nearly 2 years now and it is still better than all these widescreens which squash and stretch their pictures.
Rainfall
26-04-2003, 20:46
Originally posted by mjb1975
I read this thread as my reference, went for it, and don't regret it for one moment.
Only thing is, that was about 18 months ago and I've now got a projector and am considering selling my 43 incher.....still umming and ahhing.
This is still one of the best threads on the forums:thumbs: I can't belive its still going strong...funny that mjb I too have a projector:wave: so much better than a RPTV
cheers Steve
Again, it's worth repeating for those who don't know - If you buy one of these RPTV's, or even Plasma TV's or Projectors, make sure you pickup a copy of "Avia Home Theater Calibration DVD". Doing so will make sure your brightness, contrast, colour, tint, sharpness and other settings are accurate. Believe me, the difference from before calibrating and after calibration is astonishing.
...and Rainfall, we have the same projector (afaik) - the wonderful Panny AE100.
Very impressive.
Finally moved out of home and into my own place so it's now set up permanently.
Nice!
My 43" RPTV is in my bedroom!!! :D
Originally posted by Rainfall
This is still one of the best threads on the forums:thumbs: I can't belive its still going strong...funny that mjb I too have a projector:wave: so much better than a RPTV
My dad just got a Panasonic AE300 and it's quite impressive indeed (when fed by a Toshiba SD900 progressive output) but I can't quite get the picture right (using AVIA). The biggest problem I have is with the black level - basically, the picture seems a bit washed out compared with my Tosh RPTV which has wonderfully solid colours/blacks.
just to add,
since i started this thread, ive bought a projector as well as the 42 inch Tosh ;-) gave the tosh to me dad and hes a happy puppy !!!
Oh no. I want a projector now...
Still happy with my 43 incher but moving house with a nice room just crying out to be a home theatre.......
CraigKORE
10-06-2003, 11:22
Originally posted by CraigKORE
This thread started with people buying the Tosh 43PJ93. The thread was still going strong when the model got updated with the 43VJ13, and now I have finally decided to go for it, the new updated model is just out, the 43VJ22P! :D
Dont know yet exactly what has changed with this new one, apart from the back of the set is now silver as well as the rest of it. Getting it delivered next week from Sound And Vision, and managed to get it for a great price of £1059, and that's including the glass cabinet and delivery, incase anyone else is interested.
Some places still charge nearly 200 quid for the cabinet alone!
Roll on next week is all I can say! Will post again with a review of the new model once I get my hands on it. Time to have a read back over this thread though as it really is a great reference piece for the 43inch Tosh... :thumbs:
Nearly 2 months it has taken for Toshiba to start sending out the new 43inch 4:3 model, 43VJ22. Been killing me waiting nearly 2 months to get this set! Sound & Vision in Bolton are delivering to me tomorrow morning now. :clap:
Will let you know how I get on, thats if anyone still cares now! :D
SimonInd
11-06-2003, 10:52
I might as well chip in the fact that I've moved on to a Panasonic AE100 projector as well. The Tosh is still used for misc. TV ( The News etc. ) but the projector is gets it for films, The Sopranos, 24 and Formula 1...
For those who haven't the facilities to accomodate a projector I'd still wholeheartedly recommend the 43" Tosh - It's still pretty tasty two years down the line....
Simon
indeed! I've got the AE100 for the living room and I've moved my Tosh 43" into my bedroom!
It's great! Mind you, if my room was any smaller I'd be far too close to the screen.
juan_schwartz
11-06-2003, 15:32
I'm looking to get a Toshiba RP, possibly the 50".
So far empire direct seem to be the best price, where is this Sound and Vision poeple are talking about? does anyone have a url or phone number?
Thanks!
CraigKORE
12-06-2003, 09:41
My new Toshiba 43 inch RPTV (43VJ22P) finally arrived yesterday!! :clap: :clap:
You should have seen my other halfs face when she walked into the living room and seen the size of the thing still in its box, it was taller than her! The exact words were 'Oh FFS Craig!'. :D
After getting over the annoyance of the stand not being delivered with it (waiting on Toshiba to get the new ones for this set sent out), it was time to unleash the beast from its cardboard house.
I know from reading this thread people have said that it looks bigger when you actually see it in your house, and they're not bloody wrong! It really does dominate the living room, and when I sat it on the stand I already had for my old TV, which puts it to about the same hight as its own stand, the full height is about 5'10 or so! Glad I never went for the 50inch Tosh now, as that would have been OTT for my living room. :eek:
So far so good then, time to plug it up to my NTL box and DVD player and get it going. There are 3 scart sockets at the back, and also a S-VHS connection to the side.
Turning the TV on and seeing it spring to life with the default blue screen coming on, seemed to make it look even bigger again! Turned on my NTL box, and it auto switched over the correct AV channel. Again, I was amazed by the sheer size of the pic that came bursting onto the screen!
First things first, and that was to reduce the default contrast and brightness settings, which were set at 100. One thing I was curious about was reading on here that people had there settings so low, under 50 for most folks, but because the image is being projected, you still seem to get great contrast/brightness levels when you set them both to round about the 50 mark, and it really makes the picture more natural looking.
And onto the picture quality itself. Still shocked by just how clear and flawless it is when you give these RPTVs a good signal. I never thought that an RPTV could give as good a picture as a CRT set, but once you have seen these things set up properly, it really is something else!
Another reason that some people seemed to be put off of RPTV's is the veiwing angles, but there is absolutely no problem with that here! No matter where you are sitting in the living room, the picture quality is just bloody astounding!
I was over the moon with this set when I was watching it during the day, but come night time, it turns into yet another experience again. Turn off all the lights, sit back, and this baby really does come into its own, and I would imagine most recent RPTVs are the same. There is something really 'cinematic' about watching a projected image compared to a CRT set. And after watching The Shining on it with my other half last night, she is now coverted and addmitted that it is impressive, although she is still a bit weary of its dominating pressence.
All in all - I'm a very happy bunny just now, and have no regrets whatsoever in choosing this 43' 4:3 set over the 42inch widescreen one. And the 16:9 image size on this is about 40inch anyway and perfect for my needs.
Highly recommended! :thumbs:
CraigKORE
12-06-2003, 09:44
Originally posted by juan_schwartz
I'm looking to get a Toshiba RP, possibly the 50".
So far empire direct seem to be the best price, where is this Sound and Vision poeple are talking about? does anyone have a url or phone number?
The 50inch 16:9 set is what I would have went for if I had the space for it. You will find the sound and vision website here. (http://www.soundandvision.uk.com) They are really friendly guys if you give them a ring, and will price match/beat most places as well.
CraigKORE - The bloody thing is HUGE ain't it? :D
Make sure you pick up a copy of "Avia DVD Home Theater Calibration". Trust me you won't regret it. Brightness, Constrast, Sharpness, Colour, Tint set correctly will make your picture very noticably better than you probably have it now :) I believe Amazon sell Avia.
I basically have the same model as you, if you like I'll give you my calibrated settings from my set? If so, let me know and I'll post them here when I get home.
Enjoy your new set :thumbs:
CraigKORE
12-06-2003, 11:59
The size is just lovely! People used to comment on the size of my 33inch Tosh CRT, so it will be interesting to hear the comments when folks come round to visit and see this bad boy. I have the old 33 Tosh lying in the corner just now and it looks like a small portable compared to this! :D
I'll take you up on that offer of your calibrated settings as well HBK757, cheers man. Is that the disk that cost about 40 quid or so? I remember from a page somewhere in this great thread! :thumbs:
Have you been into the service menu on your set at all? Only thing I have done so far is tweak the convergence slightly (seemed pretty much spot on when it arrived). Only gives you the option to tweak the red or blue, which from what I remember is best since the messing about with the green gun can cause the problems?
Yea I think Avia costs about £30 from Amazon. I'll post my settings here at about 8pm.
Yes I've been into the service menu. A strong word of warning - if you do go into the service menu, before you do ANYTHING, note down each and every variable. There's about 20 of em I think, just in case you change something by mistake.
The service menu has a 56 point convergence you can do. Again a word of warning, you can touch the green gun, but I suggest you only do it to clear up any bows at the edges of the screen, do not move the green gun excessively. Oh, and don't copy convergence sets to eachother, just do PAL 4:3, save, then PAL 16:9, save and so on.
Craig, here are my settings -
Contrast 42
Brightness 32
Colour 42
Tint -12
Sharpness -18
NR Off
Dave
CraigKORE
12-06-2003, 23:38
Thanks for that Dave....
Your settings are not that far off what I done by 'eye', I was not to sure about the NR function though, but I did think the picture was better with it turned off, and you settings have pretty much confirmed that is the case. The tint was another setting that was at '0', but I have changed it to what you have now. :thumbs:
I was gonna have a shot at going into the service menu, but I'm gonna leave that for a few weeks just to let everything settle down first. And TBH, the geomentary and colours seem pretty spot on to me so far, so I might just keep things as they are. Plus I dont really trust myself not to mess about to much if I do go into the service menu! :nono: :D
Originally posted by HBK757
Again, it's worth repeating for those who don't know - If you buy one of these RPTV's, or even Plasma TV's or Projectors, make sure you pickup a copy of "Avia Home Theater Calibration DVD". Doing so will make sure your brightness, contrast, colour, tint, sharpness and other settings are accurate. Believe me, the difference from before calibrating and after calibration is astonishing.
Anyone fancy borrowing me this DVD ?
As getting annoyed with mine now, it's brilliant when contrast, brightness, colour etc... is all on 50 but I will get screen burn in from Sky logos so can't keep it like that :(
Dave
CraigKORE
13-06-2003, 11:31
I would have thought that the chance of screen burn with your brightness/contrast settings about the 50 mark would not really be a problem. From what I have read about the issue, the problem *may* occur if you had them from about 70 odd and upwards for hours on end.
There seems to be no set rule for this though which is a pain, as you cant really use trial and error either cuse if you get burn there is no going back!
CraigKORE
13-06-2003, 11:35
Just to add to that, Sky does seem to be the one of the worse offenders for having pretty bright logos. I would say that most of the other channels I visit the logos are really quite faint and would not be that much of a problem. Plasma owners must be well paranoid about the logo issue all the same as the thought of spending about 3 grand on a TV and getting screen burn is kinda sore! :eek:
I should mention I have the "Cartoon Network" logo burnt into my TV :(
This happened a few days after purchase and the kids only had it on for a few hours with all settings on 50.
I rang Toshiba and the engineer said 30 mins is enough is it's a strong logo. I contacted Cartoon Network and they said they have toned down the logo! That channel is now banned in our house.
You can't really notice it these days, don't know whether if fades over time.
Dave
juan_schwartz
14-06-2003, 15:35
Originally posted by CraigKORE
The 50inch 16:9 set is what I would have went for if I had the space for it. You will find the sound and vision website here. (http://www.soundandvision.uk.com) They are really friendly guys if you give them a ring, and will price match/beat most places as well.
Thanks Craig! :thumbs: I think I'll have the money in about two months, which is when my garage room should be ready for it (saving basically the whole end wall for it!) so I'll give them a ring then, thanks again!
Anybody ever had to buy a replacement screen for the 43" 4:3 Tosh RP?
Thinking of replacing mine (as there are some noticable marks on there), unless it's mega-extortionate...
Elickser
16-06-2003, 19:30
Originally posted by Budge
Anybody ever had to buy a replacement screen for the 43" 4:3 Tosh RP?
Thinking of replacing mine (as there are some noticable marks on there), unless it's mega-extortionate...
I had to have my 42" screen replaced , I'd only had it 3 months when I found a small crack in it (the kids knew nothing about it!). I got it replaced on household accidental cover, not sure exactly how much but I think it was touch and go if they were gonna write it off and replace the set!! (iirc it was about £500 :( but this included the outer bezel surround as well) according to Abbey National . Also it took toshiba 3 months to deliver it to my repairers.
I now have an invisible anti kid perimeter fence around it (well I just shout loudly and growl if they venture too close) :lol:
CraigKORE
19-06-2003, 15:12
Thats a lot of dosh for a new screen!
Toshiba do seem to be a bit of a nightmare though for their parts. Still waiting for the stand on my new 43VJ22 set, it's only been 2 months.. :brickwall
Ok, so I'm a little late to be rejoining the party, but did anyone ever solve that weird top and bottom line widescreen issue on the newer 4:3 43 incher (silver one, might be a PJ something or other)?
If you've got no idea what I'm on about, no worries, but basically, the leftmost 5 inches of the top line of a widescreen signal are missing. The 6th inch flickers a bit, from 7 inwards everythings cool. Meanwhile, at the bottom of the screen, the leftmost 5 inches of the bottom line are the only ones that appear, with the 6th flickering and the rest rendered as black.
Its only noticeable in 16:9 mode, if the aspect is really 16:9 (ie. no mask). With 2.35:1 (etc) the extremities are black anyway, so you can't see it. :)
Fantastic set btw. Had mine God knows how long and am loving it :)
CraigKORE
19-08-2003, 15:51
I know the problem you are talking about A² as my old Tosh 33incher had it as well (still has it I should say), but it is not a problem on my new 43VJ22. Displays everything flawlessly! I know that dosent exactly answer your question though...
Cheers (kinda). ;)
Tempting as it is to replace her, I think buying a new set at this stage may be a tad excessive. :norty:
Accordingly, I may lurk a while longer, and see if anyone else turns up with an answer. Good to know Tosh sorted it eventually.
A²:thumbs:
anyone know if i'll get a Toshiba 42PW23P up stairs?! (in its box preferably), is it possible with say 2 people?
Chris
Originally posted by chrisjm
anyone know if i'll get a Toshiba 42PW23P up stairs?! (in its box preferably), is it possible with say 2 people?
Chris
Erm. Well let's put it this way. The box will be something like 5ft tall. I hope you have wide stairs and plenty of space to work with while you're carrying it up. 2 people will be fine.
evilvampire
24-10-2003, 16:15
Yes its very possible to get your TV up the stairs. We got a 50" Tosh Widescreen up the stairs which 2 big delivery men couldn't do, the wussess. Done with 2 men and 1 small lady.
Screen burn is about the only thing putting me off getting one of these right now. Currently got a 32" Samsung...will be going to have a look at some RPTV's tomorrow.
Many of you here suffered from screen burn?
pearywinkle
25-10-2003, 21:39
Can anyone help me with my Tosh 42" problems??
Here:
http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=236415
I'm at my wits end! :(
tengis19
12-05-2004, 15:56
Draggin this up from the depths because I Just got a 43VJ22P that was on offer at Makro.
Just a quick question...........Is it ok to play the gamecube on this or not? :help:
Cheers.
fattyboombatty
12-05-2004, 16:53
yes, but not for long periods of time and turn the contrast and brightness down.
No probs whatsoever with mine :thumbs:
been interesting reading this thread, waiting for a 43 inch rptv lcd screen to be delivered in the next few weeks, if skybuy pull their finger out
tengis19
11-08-2004, 18:57
Does anyone know where you can buy a stand for this TV?
try the oppli bench from ikea :)
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