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Lontano
22-01-2005, 00:25
just watching the writer of middlebrow nonsense 'closer' on bbc4 saying he cribbed the title from the joy division album 'one of my favorites', however i was under the impression the title was actually a noun ie 'clozer'?
Roy J
22-01-2005, 08:29
I remember John Peel explaining that he always felt it was closer as in close to you, but then being in two minds and thinking that it could be closer as in closed ,after thinking of Ian Cutis's deadly intentions. I firmly believe it was as in close to you, I may be wrong, maybe the new film will spill the beans.
LouBarlow
22-01-2005, 10:16
I read somewhere that even the band would quote the title with a soft and hard 's' at different times, to keep the title deliberately obscure...

Slightly changing the subject, has anyone heard the groups version of the VU epic 'Sister Ray' which I'm sure is on one of their rarity discs?
Lontano
22-01-2005, 14:45
yeah it's interesting but a fraction of the length of the original (arguably the best thing ever)
Roy J
22-01-2005, 19:14
I read somewhere that even the band would quote the title with a soft and hard 's' at different times, to keep the title deliberately obscure...

Slightly changing the subject, has anyone heard the groups version of the VU epic 'Sister Ray' which I'm sure is on one of their rarity discs?


It was on the album still another word that can have more than one meaning the album features previously unused studio material and a live recording of Joy Division's last concert. At the time of its original release in 1981, after closer, it came in a gorgeous 2 disc grey velvety gatefold cover http://www.lwtua.free-online.co.uk/jd/sthessb.jpg and whilst at times hard to listen to especially after the sparse production of closer it captured the emotion and raw power of the band really well. Sister Ray was recorded live at the Moonlight Club, London on April 3rd 1980.

It seems that Peter Saville changed his mind about the cover design part way through the process and that the Shadowplay bootleg LP (TADD 002) is based on the original design for Still.
Saville changed direction when he started thinking about the word "Still" in terms of "quiet" or "calm", and went for a more subtle and subdued design. It appears that the original Hessian sleeve version was supposed to include a booklet with photos etc, but this was dropped by Factory possibly because it was too expensive or because they preferred a more minimalist approach.
count almassy
22-01-2005, 19:19
Both?
abarthman
22-01-2005, 19:28
just watching the writer of middlebrow nonsense 'closer' on bbc4 saying he cribbed the title from the joy division album 'one of my favorites', however i was under the impression the title was actually a noun ie 'clozer'?You know, I've had Closer for many years and it never once occurred to me that it was pronounced like the noun rather than the adjective.

You live and learn. :)
LouBarlow
22-01-2005, 20:31
It was on the album still another word that can have more than one meaning the album features previously unused studio material and a live recording of Joy Division's last concert. At the time of its original release in 1981, after closer, it came in a gorgeous 2 disc grey velvety gatefold cover http://www.lwtua.free-online.co.uk/jd/sthessb.jpg and whilst at times hard to listen to especially after the sparse production of closer it captured the emotion and raw power of the band really well. Sister Ray was recorded live at the Moonlight Club, London on April 3rd 1980.

It seems that Peter Saville changed his mind about the cover design part way through the process and that the Shadowplay bootleg LP (TADD 002) is based on the original design for Still.
Saville changed direction when he started thinking about the word "Still" in terms of "quiet" or "calm", and went for a more subtle and subdued design. It appears that the original Hessian sleeve version was supposed to include a booklet with photos etc, but this was dropped by Factory possibly because it was too expensive or because they preferred a more minimalist approach.

Thanks for that.
charles w
24-01-2005, 19:29
You know, I've had Closer for many years and it never once occurred to me that it was pronounced like the noun rather than the adjective.

You live and learn. :)

Me too.

Imagination (Leee John) nicked the piano part for one of the tracks off closer for one their hits.