Your thoughts on Mourinho - after Scunthorpe managers comments... [Archive]

Rabbi of Caerbannog

12-01-2005, 13:34

... I have only just read the match report following the FA Cup game on Saturday where the Scunthorpe manager and a couple of players have heaped praise on the Chelsea manager for the way he has treated them before and after the game.

He has always had an air of arrogance about him and is very confident which some or most people will not like.

I do not seem to recall other "top flight" managers being talked of in this way.

I also thought that the idea of Premiership clubs having to play away against lower league teams was quite a good idea. Wonder what the result of say, Manu v Exeter would have been if this was the case if the same teams were played. (Guess we might see in the replay though I doubt it will be the same ManU team for the replay)

Rabbi.

zenza

12-01-2005, 14:43

I personally think that he is a great manager and it's good that we have someone like him who can wind up the likes of Ferguson and Wenger.

he is confident but that is not a bad thing and you should praise him for the kind of team spirit he has created at Chelsea with a load of high profile star players. :)

mjb1975

12-01-2005, 15:23

Yup, fair do's to him. He is arrogant/confident but, as shown, justifiably IMO.

unrealnils

12-01-2005, 15:28

He's my second fav manager in the league his comments are always funny and i like his arrogance and style of interviews. Plus after last season its good to see chelsea's manager go up againts Fergie and Wenger.

d80s0q

12-01-2005, 15:40

He's a top notch manager. Seems to get 99 % of things right, on or off the pitch. He IS funny too and annoys Wneger/Fergie. You've gotta like it :)

d80s0q

The 3 little pigs

12-01-2005, 15:52

I've tried to dislike him, but he is just too funny & a great manager as well. :thumbs:

Bill Carr

12-01-2005, 15:54

He's perceived as arrogant, but I get the impression that he's actually a decent bloke. The fact that he's got Chelsea playing so well speaks volumes for what the players think of him.

Welshlad

12-01-2005, 16:01

The guy is a journalists wet dream really isn't it? Absolute gold.
Guarenteed to give you a story every week.
When he was appointed at chelsea the media did everything they could to get joe public to dislike him, but as others have said, the fact that he appears to be a jolly nice chap seems to shine through.

On the footballing side of things i think he's shown hes a mighty talented manager that knows the game well. Its refreshing to have him in the league mixing things up.

d.boyd1uk

12-01-2005, 17:25

londoner25uk

12-01-2005, 17:32

I liked the way he praised Chris Coleman after they had played Fulham and narrowly beaten them. Fulham had been going through a hard time and he made a point of saying how well Chris Coleman had done to get the players working hard again.

bruce-leroy

12-01-2005, 18:00

To be fair, Mourinho's "arrogance" is more playful than obnoxious.

bruce-leroy

12-01-2005, 18:02

d.boyd1uk

12-01-2005, 18:05

How did you work that one out? What about the signings when Ranieri was the manager?

Chelsea still has spent a fortune, not sure if it is 500 million. I reckon if you gave half the money to one of the managers above, they would be top of the premiership too, thats all.

People think the guy is brilliant :?:

bruce-leroy

12-01-2005, 18:12

Madrid have a team of expensive superstars but are behind Barcelona, whose team didn't cost as much to buy.

Alan b

12-01-2005, 18:13

I think he has been like a breath of fresh air in the Premiership and what he did on Saturday shows that there still is sportsmanship in football. Its just a shame that this didn't get more publicity.

utero

12-01-2005, 18:19

Top class bloke, if you see him on the touchline at a game then his reaction to some decisions are very amusing. Yes he can buy the best in the world, but you only have to look at Real Madrid to see that some of the world's best don't make a great team

pompeyfan

12-01-2005, 18:28

I like the guy - at least he gives credit to opposition teams rather than rubbish them.

When Chelsea won at Pompey a few weeks ago, he said it was a big win win for Chelsea and a hard game againsat a good team, contrast that with other comments made that Pompey are a side the big clubs should expect to get results at.

unrealnils

12-01-2005, 19:32

The guy has spent 500 million pound (estimate?)
If I spent that much, Id be top of the premiership too!
Managers like
Swansea Citys
Yeovil Town
Hull
Sheffield United
Yeading
etc.........
IMO are worth more as they have less money to spend.
I cannot stand Moron io hope fergie MU puts 5 past them.

But could you take the regins of Porto and spend what he did in the three years there and take them to winning the champions league. And look back at the last 10 or so winners of that cup it takes something special to not be one of the favouered 3 and win it but to be Porto............

Sure he has money now but he has proved he can do it with out the money.

d.boyd1uk

12-01-2005, 19:37

But could you take the regins of Porto and spend what he did in the three years there and take them to winning the champions league. And look back at the last 10 or so winners of that cup it takes something special to not be one of the favouered 3 and win it but to be Porto............

Sure he has money now but he has proved he can do it with out the money.

Point taken, its just I dont like him for his arrogance.

Grandmaster

12-01-2005, 19:53

I'm warming to him because he easily sees through Wenger and Ferguson's 'mind games' and replies with simple logic that is difficult to fault. For example, Ferguson says that they would lose points in the north. Mourinho simply points out that Manchester United have already lost points in the south.

I also notice that as of late, he's pared down the arrogant comments significantly, even though he's earned the right to say them.

Sam

12-01-2005, 20:05

I've tried to dislike him, but he is just too funny & a great manager as well. :thumbs:

Agree 100%. I know as a Utd fan I should really not like him. However, his dry sense of humour is brilliant, he appears to be an excellent manager and from a female football fan's POV he's quite sexy as well ;)

Radiohead

12-01-2005, 20:16

He's worth the money they're paying him simply by being able to contain and manage the ego's in the Chelsea dressing room. That's no mean feat.

Whiting

12-01-2005, 20:34

I don't find him arrogant at all. His post-match comments are always fair and he generally has good things to say about the opposition (unless it's Spurs and their coach in front of the goal).

He saw something postive in the way Bolton played when they cameback from 2-0 down when it would have been easier to have moaned about their physical presence like the some other Premiership managers.

Adam Thirnis

12-01-2005, 20:36

He's obviously a terrific football manager. His public persona will probably be very different from the way it is now after half-a-dozen seasons in the Premier League.

unrealnils

13-01-2005, 00:11

LOL an extract of comments from todays carling clash

full article here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4162595.stm

"I see one referee in the first half and another in the second half," Mourinho said.
"I'm suggesting that the referee didn't walk alone to the dressing room.
"I don't think it's a matter of integrity. I understand that with a bit of pressure and a few clever words you can change, a bit, the way you think."

The Blues boss claimed the official gave the visitors favourable decisions after being spoken to during the interval.

"What I saw and heard and felt at half-time made it easier for me to understand a few things," said Mourinho.
"Maybe when I turn 60 and have been managing in the same league for 20 years and have the respect of everybody I will have the power to speak to people and make them tremble a little bit.

:lol:

morleyian

13-01-2005, 00:13

:notworthy The guy's a legend!

The Bear

13-01-2005, 00:30

:lol:

The bloke is great. I thought so when he first got the Chelsea job. Something about the way he talks and goes about his buisness. He's often very honest in interviews as well.

budgenk

13-01-2005, 01:03

I'm a Chelsea fan, and on moral grounds alone was gutted when Claudio was fired, and was disgusted to see lapdog Kenyon wheeling his cases through Heathrow. I'm a bit left-wing, and I understand that Jose's politics are the opposite of mine, I should hate him. I LOVE the man. He is a genius IMO. I have had 3 Jose dreams in the last month, none of them sexual (not that there's anything wrong with that). I have never dreamt once about Peter Cook or Bill Hicks, my 2 heroes.

david080664

13-01-2005, 03:19

The guy is a star, if Chelsea do win the premiership this season, it will be down to Jose and not the cash

soldave

13-01-2005, 04:24

The guy is a star, if Chelsea do win the premiership this season, it will be down to Jose and not the cash

That's a hella-bold statement. He's a very good manager but I think the vast amount so cash which has been put into club are to thank primarily if Chelsea win anything this year.

mjb1975

13-01-2005, 08:36

Ah, but you can spend all the cash in the world on players, but they won't win anything without the right coaching, tactics, etc. Mourinho's got the squad almost perfectly balanced and it's paying dividends. Sure, many of his first team were already there, but he hasn't gone out and bought out-and-out star names - just the right players for the right positions where needed. For that, he has my admiration.

Oh, talking of dreams, I dreamt last night that we (Spurs) beat Chelsea on Saturday 3-1. It was so vivid that I woke up thinking it had actually happened! :lol: I seem to recall Michael Carrick dominating the game. Let's hope it's a premonition!!!! :thumbs:

new

13-01-2005, 08:48

I think Mourinho's recored speaks for it self & is going to be one of the all time great managers.

The stuff he says; such as about the Ref walking with Fergie, is no more than the usuall mind games that all the big 3 do.

By saying what hes said, he is hopeing that the Ref in charge at Old Trafford will think twice about awarding Man U free kicks etc.

bumfrog

13-01-2005, 10:50

I think he's great. My bird however fancies the pants of him. He also appears to be an excellent manager and his results can't disprove that.

cabor

13-01-2005, 14:26

He was a great manager before Chelsea as his record proves, but his comments last night
were wide of the mark as the stats showed.
Hope he does not react like this every time they dont win, most managers are usually complimentry about the opposition when the result is right few are when it is not.
His press conferences are the best bar none.

kjn6371

13-01-2005, 14:36

Liked the grey overcoat he had on the other day.

david080664

14-01-2005, 04:52

That's a hella-bold statement. He's a very good manager but I think the vast amount so cash which has been put into club are to thank primarily if Chelsea win anything this year.

Granted. But many teams have spent the same amount as Chelsea (over maybe a 3 year rather than 1 year period) and not managed to win their national championship or Champions League.

How much did Manchester United spend before winning their first championship under Sir Alex (allowing for inflation, it must be a significant sum), also Keegan @ Newcastle and Foolier @ Liverpool.

Dalglish spent @ 60-70m in two/three years to take Blackburn from Div 1 to the Premiership title, which is pretty impressive.

And before everyone starts calculating the net position after recieving monies from selling players, let's just look at the gross outgoings.

Perhaps this should be a new thread....

unrealnils

14-01-2005, 10:35

Inter Milan spend something like 15-35mil every year and they have one one uefa cup and maybe 2 league cups in the last ten years ............

:eek:

Welshlad

14-01-2005, 11:21

Just look at Leeds (who look like they may be going into Administration in the coming days/weeks). Money guarentees nothing! :(

riz1

14-01-2005, 11:29

i think the guy is fantastic - as a coach, an organiser and interviewee!
No disrespect to Rafa Benitez but i confess to a twinge of regret that we didnt get Mourino as our manager

rgfinch

14-01-2005, 15:44

Leeds isn't a great example - look where they were when they were spending money and look where they are now that it's run out.

I liked Mourinho's comments on Arsenal's goalkeepers the other week. Said Lehmann was one of the best in Germany with a dead straight face. Very dry and droll.

russb

14-01-2005, 15:58

Just read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4175077.stm) on the bbc:"This is nothing against Sir Alex whatsoever. After the game on Wednesday we were together in my office and we spoke and drank wine.

"Unfortunately it was a very bad bottle of wine and he was complaining, so when we go to Old Trafford for the second leg, on my birthday, I will take a beautiful bottle of Portuguese wine."

:lol:

Whiting

14-01-2005, 19:37

zenza

23-01-2005, 11:29

This is classic Mourinho. Couldn't agree more with his comments thouigh. :thumbs:

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho has ruled out ever signing David Beckham or any of Real Madrid's other "Galacticos".

Beckham reportedly told Chelsea last summer he wanted to join them at the end of this season.

But Mourinho said: "All you need is a strong group of players - you don't need a Hollywood star.

"What the devil is a Galactico anyway? The image comes from the social lives, and fame the players have achieved. It is those Galacticos that I distrust."

Mourinho, speaking in the News of the World, added: "My doubt about them does not concern their ability but what surrounds them and makes their performances inconsistent."

The Chelsea manager has made it clear he favours youngsters who crave success rather than big-name players known for their ostentatious displays of wealth.

Beckham has made headlines on the front pages as often as the back ones and, at the age of 29, he does not fit that profile.

Mourinho's transfer policy, which has been backed by club owner Roman Abramovich, served him well at Porto, where he won the Champions League last season.

The Blues boss - whose team are 11 points clear at the top of the Premiership - added: "I prefer players like Paulo Ferreira and Didier Drogba.

"I have an expensive car, but I don't make a collection. I don't have a taste for having 10 cars." :lol: :lol:

zenza

23-01-2005, 11:30

LouBarlow

23-01-2005, 12:51

He's at it again, this time concerning David Beckham:

I have an expensive car, but I don't make a collection. I don't have a taste for having 10 cars

Something tells me Dave won't be wearing the blue of Chelsea next season :lol:

unrealnils

23-01-2005, 13:43

@ Beck-ham

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho says he will never sign "Hollywood stars".

:lol:

Adam Thirnis

23-01-2005, 13:59

But in the same breath he says "I prefer players like Paulo Ferreira and Didier Drogba."

They cost £24m and £13m respectively so hardly bargain basement.

unrealnils

23-01-2005, 14:02

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

23-01-2005, 14:07

from a female football fan's POV he's quite sexy as well ;)

Tut Tut, you've just set the "Women want to be taken seriously in football" Society back 20 years!! :oh-hum:

;) Just Kidding :D

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

23-01-2005, 14:09

The guy is a star, if Chelsea do win the premiership this season, it will be down to Jose and not the cash

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Adam Thirnis

23-01-2005, 14:38

Its not the cash that he's talking about its the fact he's more a football celebraty then a proper footballer ..............

He wants hungry world class players dedicited to the sport and not out side influnces hence he let Mutu go.

Why all the stuff about expensive cars then? I suppose you can forgive him as English is not his first language and he does tend to get a bit carried away with his own rhetoric.

The main reason not to sign Beckham is that he simply isn't as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago.

zenza

23-01-2005, 15:01

Why all the stuff about expensive cars then? I suppose you can forgive him as English is not his first language and he does tend to get a bit carried away with his own rhetoric.

The main reason not to sign Beckham is that he simply isn't as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago.
That along with the fact that he is more of a celebrity rather than footballer. I mean you can't say that Drogba and Ferreira are like Beckham in that way.

Beckham just loves the spotlight and is more of a "hollywood" star as Mourinho rightly says.

budgenk

23-01-2005, 16:16

But in the same breath he says "I prefer players like Paulo Ferreira and Didier Drogba."

They cost £24m and £13m respectively so hardly bargain basement.

They wouldn't have cost anyone but Chelsea anywhere near as much. Also Drogba may have gained some fame from his euro exploits last season but in no way could you possibly call Ferreira a superstar (although he's proving himself to be the best fullback in the Premiership and well worth the price).

morleyian

23-01-2005, 16:20

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's so funny? I believe that to :suspect: Sure, the money helps but with Ranieri on board still there's no way they'd be doing as well as they are now.

Grandmaster

23-01-2005, 16:35

It's gone quiet on the old "who'll be the next Man Utd manager ?" front...

...it'd be interested to see if Mourinho's a contender (and he's gotta be)...you know, O'Neil seems to be favourite but Mourinho's done it.

I suspect that by the time Mourinho is finished, taking over from Alex Ferguson will look like a step down in comparison to managing Chelsea.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

23-01-2005, 18:28

What's so funny? I believe that to :suspect: Sure, the money helps but with Ranieri on board still there's no way they'd be doing as well as they are now.

I don't doubt that Mourhino is a better manager than Ranieri, he's gone on to prove what a poor manager he is by ruining Valencia.

My laughter was at the claim the title will be due to Mourhino and not the £220 Million spent on players in 18 months :cuckoo: :lol: :lol:

It is what it is but let's keep it real. If Abramovich had chosen Spurs (as it is rumoured he was thinking about originally) or Charlton or Villa etc, bought the same players, they'd be up there too. :shrug:

LouBarlow

23-01-2005, 19:34

My laughter was at the claim the title will be due to Mourhino and not the £220 Million spent on players in 18 months :cuckoo: :lol: :lol:

You honestly think Chelsea would be in this position if they had Ranieri managing them this season? :thinking:

bruce-leroy

23-01-2005, 20:19

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Chelsea have spent a lot of money on players, but its not like Man U have been paying peanuts bringing in loads of young and undiscovered talent in recent years, e.g. Rooney, Ferdinand, Veron, Ruud etc. ;)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

23-01-2005, 20:29

You honestly think Chelsea would be in this position if they had Ranieri managing them this season? :thinking:

AGAIN, not what i'm saying. :shrug:

For the 3rd time, i'm laughing at the claim that Chelsea will be champions because of Mourhino and NOT the Hundreds of millions they've spent over the last couple of seasons. The fact that Mourhino is a better manager than Clownio Ranieri is not even an arguement.
The amount of money they have spent so far and the money they'll undoubtly spend over the next few years made it inevitable.
Mourhino's a good manager and great value for a post match quote etc
He is NOT a messiah who has turned round a top 5 club who haven't won the title in 50 years however. To a team that finished 2nd last season, he's bought:

Ferreira £13 Million,
Robben £12 Million,
Drogba £24 Million,
Tiago £ 8 Million,
Carvalho £19.85 Million
Kezman £ 5 Million
Jarosik undisclosed

Total Spent = £82 Million

As soon as Chelsea got a half decent manager who had an idea of motivating a team and tactics, they were always going to win the title.

Anything less than the title would be a HUGE failure! :shrug:

Kronik

23-01-2005, 20:47

I thought Robben was a Ranieri buy :shrug:

Sam

23-01-2005, 20:55

Tut Tut, you've just set the "Women want to be taken seriously in football" Society back 20 years!! :oh-hum:

;) Just Kidding :D

:lol: Nah only 10 years. It'd have been 20 years if I said he had nice legs ;)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

23-01-2005, 21:56

Yeah, Chelsea have spent a lot of money on players, but its not like Man U have been paying peanuts bringing in loads of young and undiscovered talent in recent years, e.g. Rooney, Ferdinand, Veron, Ruud etc. ;)

You're right, Man Utd HAVE spent money too.
However, the money has been generated by the club itself for being successful and well managed.
We also recouped £25 Million for Beckham, £12.5 to £15 Million for Veron, £18 Million for Stam (Although Lazio STILL owe us half the fee i believe :suspect: ).

Let's not forget, Chelsea were £80 million in debt until Abramovich turned up. That debt has been cleared as well as all the money spent on players which is near on £300 Million!!!!!!!! :eek:

As i said earlier, there really is no comparison. :shrug:

Adam Thirnis

23-01-2005, 22:45

You honestly think Chelsea would be in this position if they had Ranieri managing them this season? :thinking:

There's certainly been an improvement since the end of last season a lot due to Mourinho but also to the £90 million spent on Drogba, Robben, Ferreira, Carvalho and others.

The key to this seasons' success has been the introduction of these players and the offloading of dead wood like Crespo, J-F H, Veron and especially Desailly.

As I say there has been an improvement but last season Chelsea finished 2nd in the League and reached the semis in the CL so they weren't exactly struggling.

Mandrill

23-01-2005, 23:13

With his record at Porto I think he would have done well even without the cash.All the cash has done is allowed to him to construct a team in a short space of time rather than adding players over a few season's.

The Bear

23-01-2005, 23:16

I wouldn't call Jimmy Floyd-Hasselbaink dead wood!!

He is still the striker they are missing to score them 20-30 goals per season. I really don't know why they got rid of him? I think they would score even more goals and be even harder to beat with him up front.

Drogba is doing well so far though in only his first season I'll give him that. Kezman has really disappointed me after his scoring record in Holland suggested he would be awesome.

budgenk

23-01-2005, 23:56

£17 Million for Veron

£12.5m, United said £15m to save face, and where you got £17m from I don't know :shrug:

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

24-01-2005, 01:09

£12.5m, United said £15m to save face, and where you got £17m from I don't know :shrug:

The £12.5 Million was the initial fee.
The figure Man Utd quoted (£15 Million apparently :shrug: ) was the total projected fee based on Appearances and Chelsea's future success.

If i misled anyone i apologise, it wasn't my intention. ;)

zenza

24-01-2005, 20:57

AGAIN, not what i'm saying. :shrug:

For the 3rd time, i'm laughing at the claim that Chelsea will be champions because of Mourhino and NOT the Hundreds of millions they've spent over the last couple of seasons. The fact that Mourhino is a better manager than Clownio Ranieri is not even an arguement.
The amount of money they have spent so far and the money they'll undoubtly spend over the next few years made it inevitable.
Mourhino's a good manager and great value for a post match quote etc
He is NOT a messiah who has turned round a top 5 club who haven't won the title in 50 years however. To a team that finished 2nd last season, he's bought:

Ferreira £13 Million,
Robben £12 Million,
Drogba £24 Million,
Tiago £ 8 Million,
Carvalho £19.85 Million
Kezman £ 5 Million
Jarosik undisclosed

Total Spent = £82 Million

As soon as Chelsea got a half decent manager who had an idea of motivating a team and tactics, they were always going to win the title.

Anything less than the title would be a HUGE failure! :shrug:

Yes but look at what he did at Porto.

You can't say that he spent that amount of money on them and he won them the champions league which is no mean feat.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

24-01-2005, 21:36

Yes but look at what he did at Porto.

You can't say that he spent that amount of money on them and he won them the champions league which is no mean feat.

Yes, i said he's a good manager and he did very well at Porto. I've no idea on his budget there to be honest.
Also, people seem to enjoy his witty post match comments in England (When he's won of course) which is fair enough. He's doing well and enjoying it. :shrug:

All i'm saying is that taking over a team that finished 2nd in the premiership and got to the semis of the Champs League just a few months ago, then adding £90 Million in players to the same squad...............any decent manager should and would win the league this season. :|
I'm not sure we'll have found anything more out about Mourhino at the end of this season than we know already.
If he were to go to Madrid next season for example, and did the same, now THAT would be an achievment, they are in dire need of a decent manager right now.

unrealnils

25-01-2005, 00:11

The key to this seasons' success has been the introduction of these players and the offloading of dead wood like Crespo.............

Not fair hes not dead wood just not used propely.10 goals in 20 games is a stil a good ratio for someone in the first seasons at a new club in a new league/country.

Hes playing really well at Milan and will have a good future there.

budgenk

25-01-2005, 00:55

Not fair hes not dead wood just not used propely.10 goals in 20 games is a stil a good ratio for someone in the first seasons at a new club in a new league/country.

Hes playing really well at Milan and will have a good future there.

I agree, Crespo is class, I think Ranieri just ****** him off tbh, also his girlfriend couldn't settle in England and wanted to return to Italy. Crespo actually had the second best Premiership minutes-per-goal ratio behind Henry of the games he did play, but was beset both by injury and family problems during his time here. I would add, however, that his superstar status probably doesn't fit in with Mourinho's 'young and hungry' ethic.

Also, I think the Ranieri-bashing in this thread has gone somewhat to extremes: although he doesn't seem to be the ideal man for taking a team that final stretch and winning honours, his main talent would seem to lie in teambuilding. As opposed to 'ruining' Valencia, he actually built up the basis of the team which did so well for the last few years, and was well-loved there, hence the fans' delight at his return (although they may not be so keen on him now that they're used to success and he's having the tough job of recycling again). Before Abramovich's money arrived, he had Chelsea on the up again, completely re-cycling the squad from the Hullit-Vialli days and qualifying us for the Champions' League with only one addition that season, the lamentable freebie De Lucas. Admittedly he had spent a lot the previous season, but there was a lot needed doing. Abramovich's first season at Chelsea was somewhat of a mess, with players being bought willy-nilly that first summer, although thankfully things seem to have calmed down since then, and a more moderate, less rushed policy seems to be in place, which I'm sure is part of the benefit that the club has enjoyed this season.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

25-01-2005, 07:50

Ferreira £13 Million,
Robben £12 Million,
Drogba £24 Million,
Tiago £ 8 Million,
Carvalho £19.85 Million
Kezman £ 5 Million
Jarosik undisclosed

Total Spent = £82+ Million

You call that "moderate"?
God help us all! :lol:

d80s0q

25-01-2005, 11:13

To be fair Robben was, like Cech, a player bought pre-Mourinho. That's to be fair to Ranieri....

However, althogh the job hasn't perhaps been the hardest, to say anyone could do the job AS WELL as he has clearly isn't seeing the whole picture. If he ends up winning stuff, some may say it was easy, and maybe one trophy would be. But to win more than one, in a first season for players and manager alike, would be a fantastic achievment.

The guy is great, he has a record to show it.

And he is incredibly funny. What a guy - and this from a Liverpool supporter!

d80s0q

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

25-01-2005, 15:46

Fair point on Robben mate.

However, he'll only get the credit for winning stuff from Chelski fans and Sky Sports unfortunately.
The rest of football will probably take a more cynical view of the money they have spent etc etc.....

Hi IS incredibly funny at times but if you look at the games they haven't won, the flowing witty stuff hasn't been forthcoming:

Lost to Man City " It was NEVER a Penalty :( ..........."
Drew with Spurs "They parked a Bus in front of the goal :(............."
Drew with Bolton "We were muscled and they played it all long ball :( ....................."
Drew with Man Utd "Fergie got at the Ref and they both cheated :( ..............."

It will be interesting to see how he is IF Man Utd win on Wednesday?

It would be a shame if he goes down the Wenger road of being charming when winning, only to moan and complain when things don't go his way.

budgenk

25-01-2005, 16:32

However, he'll only get the credit for winning stuff from Chelski fans and Sky Sports unfortunately

You've just said that to a Liverpool fan who's said that he gives Jose credit. Do you see where you're going wrong? Wishful thinking will not make the rest of the world disregard any success Chelsea may have, although I'm sure that plenty of bitter Man U and Arsenal fans will agree with you.

Snoopy

25-01-2005, 17:18

If he does win the premiership this year I would call it a major achievement, regardless of how much he has spent.

He has come in to a foreign league with a team of players he didn't buy plus an additional 8+ new players coming in from different European leagues and has got them playing as a solid team.

Bringing in new players, especially from abroad, often requires a season to bed them in and for the player to settle to the different league and adjust to all the changes, yet Mourinho seems to have settled the players incredibly quickly. Whether that's down to luck, circumstance, good management or a bit of all three is open to debate.

I would of expected him to win something next season, probably the league, as by then he would be more used to the pace, players and others teams of the EPL plus have the money to buy someone if he feels he needs to. Spending serious money every year on the established 'world stars' doesn't guarantee success, just look at Real Madrid, but spending money on younger up and coming players shows that he is also building a team that can compete for years to come.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

25-01-2005, 20:06

You've just said that to a Liverpool fan who's said that he gives Jose credit. Do you see where you're going wrong? Wishful thinking will not make the rest of the world disregard any success Chelsea may have, although I'm sure that plenty of bitter Man U and Arsenal fans will agree with you.

I didn't literally mean EVERYONE except for Chelski Fans and Sky Sports wouldn't credit them. I meant the general feeling in football. There will of course be some who do. Each to their own. :shrug:

I think it might be wishful thinking on your part to imagine the footballing world lavishing praise on Chelski's money bought success! :lol:
Believe it or not, i know CHELSEA fans who agree with me.

Also, i think bitterness against a team can only come about from prolonged success over many years, much like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal have had.
Let's not forget, Chelski haven't actually won anything YET, in fact nothing since 2000. ;)

LouBarlow

25-01-2005, 20:58

What team do you support out of interest?

I can smell the jealousy from here :lol:

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

25-01-2005, 21:01

Man Utd mate, have you only read the last 3 posts? :)

LouBarlow

25-01-2005, 21:19

That explains it...typical selective memories I think...how much have you spent in recent seasons exactly :)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

25-01-2005, 21:42

Ok, you HAVE only read the last 3 posts. :lol:

unrealnils

02-02-2005, 23:51

The Chelsea manager also criticised Blackburn's tactics in a hard-fought game.

He added: "They felt they couldn't beat us playing football so they tried to beat us in a different way - direct football, first ball, second ball, being nasty and hard and trying to intimidate players.

"During this afternoon it rained only in this stadium - our kitman saw it - they tried everything. There must be a microclimate here."

lol Micro climate :lol:

HenryKrinkle

03-02-2005, 08:36

zenza

03-02-2005, 12:26

It's his first season so it's difficult to form a solid opinion yet. Yes, he does have an air of arrogance about him, but his teams performance more than justifies that...and he's not that obnoxious...quite amusing sometimes!

Please stop linking Fergie and Wenger together...I'm a United fan and am of the opinion that Fergie quite likes him and the feelings seem to be mutual. Indeed, most managers have a lot of time for Fergie as he is very helpful and gives good constructive advice...he is well respected. Wenger, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have many fans amongst his colleagues and is a moaning git!!

I doubt that Mourinho will ever be as hated as Wenger by United fans...but of course, time wil tell :D
You can talk!

Fergie is the biggest moaning git in football. He just can't accept defeat and winges at every opportunity. I know that there are many people out there that would love to see the back of him.

Anyway, back on topic. This is classic Mourinho.

Blackburn manager Mark Hughes accused Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho of refusing to shake his hand at the end of their game at Ewood Park.

"I was a little bit more upset that the opposing manager was not gracious enough to shake my hand," said Hughes, whose side lost 1-0.

"Sometimes you have to be gracious in defeat but you also have to be gracious in victory afterwards.

"I have no idea why. Perhaps he was too busy on the field with his players."

But Mourinho dismissed suggestions that he had blanked Hughes.

He said: "I shook hands with him before the game two or three times. When the game finished I went onto the pitch with my players.

"I think this is ridiculous, the game has finished, I'm happy, I want to be with my players, I don't want to be with other people.

"If I see him when I leave the building of course I would shake his hand."

And this is just brilliant:

"Then you look at the blond boy in midfield, Robbie Savage, who commits 20 fouls during the game and never gets a booking." :lol: :lol:

russb

03-02-2005, 13:07

Fergie is the biggest moaning git in football. He just can't accept defeat...

I think you'll find thats completely untrue

unrealnils

23-02-2005, 11:41

Mourinho never coached Barcelona, assisting both Sir Bobby Robson and Louis van Gaal.

But he is not envious, insisting:
"I don't have to be jealous about Barcelona because they have 100 years of history and have won the European Cup once.
I have been managing for five years and I have the same amount of Champions League trophies to my name."

:lol:

taken from bbc.co.uk/sport

madstu

23-02-2005, 12:21

I can't stand Mourinho at times (esp after last season!)

But I though the way he named both teams for the game at yesterdays press conferance was pure class.

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 09:36

Jose is on form at the moment - from the Mirror:

Mourinho came back for the celebrations at the end, after Chelsea had secured a fraught 3-2 victory in extra time, and caused fresh controversy when he appeared to wave in a mocking gesture towards the Liverpool side of the ground.

But he roundly denied the charge, and ranted: "I think you are bad boys. Be careful what you say, be very careful what you say. I don't want to have to fight, but if you want to fight me, then I will fight you. I was not waving at the Liverpool fans, I was waving to my wife.

"I was asked if I would prefer to win trophies or be loved...I just want to win trophies, and I don't want to be in love with you.''

:lol:

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 12:11

I think he's becoming more and more unpopular generally throughout football.
He was being described as a "Breath of Fresh Air" when he first arrived and made a few wise cracks after winning games the press seemed to enjoy.
The same press are after him now it would seem.
Steve Curry on Talk Sport this morning said "Mourhino should be aware the pen is mightier than the Sword" or similar words,
It seems people have seen a different side to him since things have'nt gone as well for Chelski as they were earlier in the season. I could be wrong but it's the impression i get from watching, listening and talking to people.

Not that he'll be worried of course.

madstu

28-02-2005, 13:33

I think that you are right, he seems to be ruffling the feathers of every club that Chelsea play at the moment!

budgenk

28-02-2005, 15:00

Steve Curry on Talk Sport this morning said "Mourhino should be aware the pen is mightier than the Sword" or similar words

Yes but Steve Curry is a big fat (Manc) turd, who likes to think, for god-knows-what reason, that his contribution to the game is as big as a player or manager's.

HenryKrinkle

28-02-2005, 15:10

He is very arrogant! Now, whether he feels justified in his arrogance by his teams apparent domination this season I don't know, but, at the end of the day, arrogance is a very unattractive trait and he will lose many friends because of it...then again it doesn't seem as if he has many friends to lose at the moment anyway!

...I've gone from being mildly apathetic towards him to disliking him intensely, I so wanted Liverpool to win yesterday and, as I'm a United fan, that shows how much I dislike him!!! ;)

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 15:15

Well I'm sure he'll be gutted that you don't like him :D

He's right though - our fans love him, the players love him and he's a proven winner of trophies, as well as being rich - why should he care?

AdamBrunt

28-02-2005, 15:27

He's right though - our fans love him, the players love him and he's a proven winner of trophies, as well as being rich - why should he care?

So is Benitez .... and I have a pretty good idea which one is respected more by fans and press alike !!!

Radiohead

28-02-2005, 15:34

He's looking more and more like a big tool from where I'm sitting.

Kronik

28-02-2005, 15:38

So is Benitez .... and I have a pretty good idea which one is respected more by fans and press alike !!!

Well from reading the Liverpool thread, from what I see, some fans arent best pleased with Benitez!

jpig

28-02-2005, 15:49

He drives me insane to be honest, but I can't not like him. His arrogance and self belief are incredible. But he makes me laugh. A lot of what he says is true aswell.

Although he keeps living on his reputation as 'european champion'. Anyone who remembers last years European Cup will recall Porto being decidedely average, and the worlds worst bunch of divers and fakers.

But I guess he won it, so we can't argue with that. Every team needs luck. I think he's like Robbie Savage, Roy Keane, Dennis Wise - if he's for YOUR team then you love him to death, but if he's not then he annoys and irritates you.

It would be nice to see him knocked off his perch once or twice, but fair play to the man, his team are the best in the country - he has nothing to prove to anybody.

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 16:05

He's looking more and more like a big tool from where I'm sitting.

That's the rumour anyway :suspect:

mjb1975

28-02-2005, 16:13

I still think he's great, loved the 'shh' taunt, even if he reckons it wasn't aimed at the scouse...

He's brought some much needed new character to the Prem and fair play to him that he's done so well at Chelsea thus far, although I don't think it's over, not by a long shot.

Here's to an exciting end to the season.

budgenk

28-02-2005, 16:33

So is Benitez .... and I have a pretty good idea which one is respected more by fans and press alike !!!

I highly doubt it. As usual you bring your Liverpool obsession into this, how typically interesting.

evilsly

28-02-2005, 16:42

Well from reading the Liverpool thread, from what I see, some fans arent best pleased with Benitez!

it wouldn't be 'the' liverpool thread if they weren't moaning about something

Jose is definitely a very good manager, but he definitely seems to be losing his cool if nothing else, in the past month.

He's also got spectacularly lucky that chelski had access to man utd's scouting network through Kenyon :suspect: and Robben was signed before he arrived. Jose's actual signings haven't really looked that convincing. 25 million for Drogba or Rooney ? which one looks like the better buy.

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 16:47

Well one has only played in the Premiership, and indeed this country, for little under a year.

Give him time...anyway we will have Ronaldo or someone else next season :D

unrealnils

28-02-2005, 17:06

I was on the floor laughing when JM did his shhhhh finger thingy :D

Its soo cheecky but at the same time i cann see why liverpool fans are annoyed i sure was when Ronaldo scored againts us and gave our fans the finger :( Funny for all other fans though :D

After hearing Grays thoguhts on how JM was surrounded by Liverpool fans i can only imagine how much greif the manager got from said fans over the 75 mins or how ever long it was.........

He's such a funny manager and i also thought it was a nice tuch to shake the hand of most of the Liverpool players and staff and comisirate them...... He even shaked Charagers (sp?) hand which was a nice touch.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 21:29

he's a proven winner of trophies, as well as being rich - why should he care?

I make you right mate, that would seem to sum him and Chelski up perfectly.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 21:38

Give him time...anyway we will have Ronaldo or someone else next season :D

Who, if we are to believe rumours will be joined in the summer by Ronaldinho, Gerrard (Almost certain after yesterday's very suspicious display :suspect: ) and Ashley Cole.
You'll take all the beating for years to come if those players are added to your current squad.

budgenk

28-02-2005, 21:42

Gerrard (Almost certain after yesterday's very suspicious display :suspect: )

I must say that all jokes aside, only an idiot could find that Gerrard og genuinely suspicious, if Gerrard was really capable of scoring amazing headers like that at will deliberately, while sandwiched between 2 of his team-mates all jumping in more or less the same direction, Liverpool would probably win the league every year. You don't really think there was anything to it do you, surely?

unrealnils

28-02-2005, 21:51

But the way people go on about Gerrard make it sound like he could do that :D

I laughed enough when it happened , im always getting stick for saying SG's a good player but nothing that special to people :)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 21:55

I must say that all jokes aside, only an idiot could find that Gerrard og genuinely suspicious, if Gerrard was really capable of scoring amazing headers like that at will deliberately, while sandwiched between 2 of his team-mates all jumping in more or less the same direction, Liverpool would probably win the league every year. You don't really think there was anything to it do you, surely?

Agreed, can't see him ACTUALLY meaning to score the OG.
However, his attempted headed clearance was like the rest of his performance yesterday - half hearted and lacking commitment.
I say suspicious because he is now unrecognisable from the player of the last couple of years.
Surely everyone hasn't forgotten the energetic, all action, dynamic midfield player he was until the last few months?
He is no longer committed to Liverpool, despite what he might say.
It'll only be a matter of time before he starts banging the 'if liverpool don't challenge for top honours, i'm off ' drum again!!

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 22:12

I make you right mate, that would seem to sum him and Chelski up perfectly.

What else should they be aiming for exactly?

Being rich and winning should be the goal of any football club.

budgenk

28-02-2005, 22:15

What else should they be aiming for exactly?

Being rich and winning should be the goal of any football club.

Surely you've not been watching Man United: their mission over the last 15 years has been to promote universal peace and happiness, and shun success and material wealth, while Sir Alex spreads sunshine everywhere he goes with a cheeky grin and a kind word for all.

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 22:33

:lol:

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 22:59

What else should they be aiming for exactly?

Being rich and winning should be the goal of any football club.

I agree.
However, in Chelski's case the 'being rich' part is not an 'aim', you have BECOME rich from multi million pound investment from a single billionaire owner.
Surely your AIM now is to win as much as possible? :shrug:

budgenk

28-02-2005, 23:03

I agree.
However, in Chelski's case the 'being rich' part is not an 'aim', you have BECOME rich from multi million pound investment from a single billionaire owner.
Surely your AIM now is to win as much as possible? :shrug:

well there are 2 aims: to recoup as much of the investment as possible, thereby making Chelsea self-sufficient, which will hopefully done by fulfiling the main aim, which is to win as much as possible, and thus far into Jose's reign it seems to be going ok :)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 23:07

Surely you've not been watching Man United: their mission over the last 15 years has been to promote universal peace and happiness, and shun success and material wealth, while Sir Alex spreads sunshine everywhere he goes with a cheeky grin and a kind word for all.

LOL :lol: I'll give you that one!!

Our success and material wealth has been earned mate, not inherited. ;)
What cracks me up is that if Abramovich had stuck his pin in the Tottenham part of the map of london 2 years ago, you'd all be saying the same thing as the rest of football.
Instead, because he chose Chelsea it is in some way romantic and everything you subsequently win will have been hard earned and deserved. :lol: :lol:

I've got to hand it to you, i almost believe it!! :lol: :notworthy :notworthy

SpankySpanky

28-02-2005, 23:11

Agreed, can't see him ACTUALLY meaning to score the OG.
However, his attempted headed clearance was like the rest of his performance yesterday - half hearted and lacking commitment.
I say suspicious because he is now unrecognisable from the player of the last couple of years.
Surely everyone hasn't forgotten the energetic, all action, dynamic midfield player he was until the last few months?
He is no longer committed to Liverpool, despite what he might say.
It'll only be a matter of time before he starts banging the 'if liverpool don't challenge for top honours, i'm off ' drum again!!

Yes, no matter what SG actually says, his actions atm are speaking VERY loudly. He obviously can't wait for the season to end so he can join Chelsea, for whom he's already opened his goals account. :D Sorry, couldn't resist. Let's be honest, I reckon the only reason he didn't leave last season were the death threats his partner received while he was in Portugal. What a lovely bunch of supporters Liverpool have, eh?? Maybe he will have got a 'safe house' lined up well before the end of the seaon this time??

:D

SS

Edit: Funnily enough, I read in the paper the other day that, statistically, Liverpool actually achieve better results when SG isn't playing...

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 23:13

LouBarlow

28-02-2005, 23:13

LOL :lol: I'll give you that one!!

Our success and material wealth has been earned mate, not inherited. ;)
What cracks me up is that if Abramovich had stuck his pin in the Tottenham part of the map of london 2 years ago, you'd all be saying the same thing as the rest of football.
Instead, because he chose Chelsea it is in some way romantic and everything you subsequently win will have been hard earned and deserved. :lol: :lol:

I've got to hand it to you, i almost believe it!! :lol: :notworthy :notworthy

Earned?

If you mean by spending millions on players, in turn leading to success on the domestic and European stage, then developing a successful business model around this increased world-wide notoriety, then yes, this is exactly what Chelsea are attempting.

SpankySpanky

28-02-2005, 23:17

LOL I'll give you that one!!

Our success and material wealth has been earned mate, not inherited.

Not forgetting selling their soul by floating on the bloody stock exchange, an action that may still come back to haunt them in the (frankly ludicrous) shape of that well-meaning philanthropist Glazer...

:lol:

SS

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

28-02-2005, 23:24

Not forgetting selling their soul by floating on the bloody stock exchange, an action that may still come back to haunt them in the (frankly ludicrous) shape of that well-meaning philanthropist Glazer...

:lol:

SS

Why did you feel the need to edit to your original post by adding "that well-meaning philanthropist" ?

SpankySpanky

28-02-2005, 23:25

Why did you feel the need to edit to your original post by adding "that well-meaning philanthropist" ?

Because I've been drinking??*

;)

SS

* but nowhere near the amount Delia has had, btw!

:lol:

budgenk

28-02-2005, 23:53

What cracks me up is that if Abramovich had stuck his pin in the Tottenham part of the map of london 2 years ago, you'd all be saying the same thing as the rest of football.
Instead, because he chose Chelsea it is in some way romantic and everything you subsequently win will have been hard earned and deserved. :lol: :lol:

I've got to hand it to you, i almost believe it!! :lol: :notworthy :notworthy

Who says it's romantic? It's no more romantic than a lottery win, and we're thorougly enjoying it. What you believe isn't really of the slightest significance to us, why do you keep trying to somehow prove that we shouldn't be happy about the current state of affairs? It's simply never gonna happen. And as for if he'd gone to Tottenham, then yes, a percentage of us certainly would be whining and bitching about it, it's human nature. The funniest part is that of all fans that might want to vent their spleens about how we've sold out, got no soul etc, it's far and away the most ridiculous from the fans of PLC FC, and you know it.