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There have been rumoures of this for over a year now,anyone know when it will finally arrive.
Especially waiting for the Harrison Ford commentary :D
Harrison Ford wont do i commentary i bet :( even if i would love him too
Harrison Ford won't have bugger all to do with the film, I hear he found making it an unbearable experience
Dan Druff
19-11-2001, 12:45
ccording to Blade Zone (http://www.bladezone.com/contents/index.html) it's being released in 2002 to coincide with the movies theaterical release (I doubt if it is as early as Feb though). I hope it has remastered sound (DTS?) and picture, the visible wires taken out, some dubbing fixed, Roy Batty's first scene in the telephone booth fixed (a reversed moment from when he's on the bed beside Tyrell near the end of the movie, looks very out of place), some flabs regarding incept dates fixed, the documentary 'The Edge of Blade Runner' and loads of deleted scenes including Holden in the hospital etc. Perhaps a commentary from Scott, Rutger, Daryl, Olmos, Syd Mead, Hampton Fancher, David Snyder, Douglas Trumbull and Paul M . Sammon, author of Future Noir - The Making of Blade Runner (doubt if Harrison would get involved as he dislikes the movie). Yes, those would do me. :)
Blade Runner
19-11-2001, 12:52
Cannot wait for this. One of my all time favourite films.
Supposedly out sometime in 2002.
Don't think there is much chance of a Harrison Ford commentary as I think RichB has it about right. Should be one from Ridley Scott though :cool: and I always find his very interesting - the Alien commentary is a good example.
I hope they really pull out all the stops for this release as it certainly deserves it. There is just so much they could include (possible 3 disc set?) and the original release is pretty poor.
Come on Warner!!! :)
Ben Martin
19-11-2001, 16:38
Originally posted by Dan Druff
I hope it has remastered sound (DTS?) and picture
i think a new anamorphic transfer is a forgone conclusion, and i'd be shocked if there was no DD5.1 track, but it's a warner release so there's no chance whatsoever of a DTS track. hopefully they'll use the citizen kane/doctor zhivago packaging rather than the snapper.
Originally posted by BLADERUNNER
Should be one from Ridley Scott though
this has been confirmed. i think he referred to it in an interview with 'total film' sometime in the last six months. said how he'd be doing it for free, as with alien.
jonathan.e
19-11-2001, 16:54
Last I heard the Edge of Blade Runner doc was confirmed as were the hospital scenes with Holdenalthough these would be included as extras not integrated back into the movie and after having seen one of the clips I can understand why they were cut. Would be really nice if there were some way of incorporating HF’s voiceover as I grew up with this version and really like it, although I realise I’m in the minority on this.
Ford really needs to put aside his personal feelings on this and try and step back and see the bigger picture. This is a landmark movie and it’s more than a little petulant to carry grudges 20 years on that prevent him from involving himself in what sounds like one of the best special editions to date.
Chyna Tsui
19-11-2001, 16:54
So why exactly does Harrison Ford hate this movie so much?
Originally posted by Chyna Tsui
So why exactly does Harrison Ford hate this movie so much?
Seem to recall it was a clash of personalities and the shoot was generally hard work.
Ford's (unjustifiably) large ego probably got a dent when my fellow South Shields born compatriot Ridley Scott gave him as good as he got and made him work for his money.
It really pee's me off the way 'stars' like Harrison Ford slag off some of the movies which helped make them stars in the first place. Where was Ford's career going if he hadn't been offered the Han Solo part in Star Wars? He would still be making furniture for actors rather than being one himself. A little gratitude and humility would go a long way.
Kudos to Ridley Scott for resisting the urge to be a Hollywood 'kiss ass' and directing the movies he wants to do. :clap:
Cornelius
19-11-2001, 18:46
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Ford really needs to put aside his personal feelings on this and try and step back and see the bigger picture. This is a landmark movie and it’s more than a little petulant to carry grudges 20 years on that prevent him from involving himself in what sounds like one of the best special editions to date.
Although I like this film and I'm looking forward to a decent release of this I still think this is one over-rated films. I wouldn't call it a landmark film at all. It didn't have any impact on subsequent films from the genre, it's slow and in a lot of parts boring. It's as much a landmark film as Outland and if it wasn't for the fact it has Harrison Ford at the height of his popularity and Ridley Scott directing, would as memorable as Outland. All in all some entertaining scenes but nothing special.
Jimmyboy
19-11-2001, 19:05
Originally posted by cervaro
Kudos to Ridley Scott for resisting the urge to be a Hollywood 'kiss ass' and directing the movies he wants to do. :clap:
What, you mean like Gladiator ! ?. :nuts:
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
What, you mean like Gladiator ! ?. :nuts: Errr well yes!!
Confucius
20-11-2001, 06:52
Warner and DTS.
From todays DVD File (http://www.dvdfile.com/software/dvd-video/index.html#11202001):
"Despite continued public statemetns of "don't expect any more DTS releases anytime soon," Warner does indeed seem to be contuing to support the format, at least with a couple of new releases. Lo and behold, we received review copies of Madonna's Drowned World Tour and the recnet theatrical release American Outlaws, and both include DTS 5.1 tracks in additiion to the customary Dolby Digital mix. While the American Outlaws packaging indicates the DTS track, you won't find any label at all on the Madonna DVD, but sure enough it is there. Hey Warner, if you're gonna support DTS, there's no reason to be embarassed of it. Watch for reviews soon..."
One swallow doesn't make a Summer for sure, but it's a (re)start.
Panavision
20-11-2001, 12:12
End of 2002 last I heard.
Ben Martin
20-11-2001, 12:42
confucius - you beat me to it! :)
well, wonders will never cease. warners beginning to support DTS! woo-hoo! :) now crossing fingers for DTS track on that blade runner SE.
Lenny Nero
20-11-2001, 12:51
Originally posted by Cornelius
I wouldn't call it a landmark film at all. It didn't have any impact on subsequent films from the genre, it's slow and in a lot of parts boring.
Oh... MY ... GOD! :brickwall
You gotta be kiddin' me! It's like saying Godfather has ripped off all those gangster and mafia movies that came after.
It influenced EVERY SINGLE Sci-Fi film, everyone has "stolen" a shot from Blade Runner here, "paid a homage" there, used that plot element over there, etc.
I'm not gona go into it right now as it's all been talked over and about for the past 20 years millions of times and it's almost 6am, want to sleep, but maybe some day you'll open your eyes. :cool:
Lenny Nero
20-11-2001, 12:57
Originally posted by Ben Martin
confucius - you beat me to it! :)
well, wonders will never cease. warners beginning to support DTS! woo-hoo! :) now crossing fingers for DTS track on that blade runner SE.
I wonder how that Blimp's advertisment will sound in DTS :nuts:
"A new life awaits you in the Off-World colonies, a chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity aaand adventure!"
http://www.bladezone.com/contents/film/image-library/Images/0400808_Blimp.jpg
Oh btw, I haven't yet seen better special effects than in Blade Runner, and why? Because they used models, REAL things, not that crappy CGI that only spoils things
you know what - I've never seen Blade Runner! Shocker I know, but I've just never got round to it......I'm definitely gonna check out the new SE though - I'm prepared to wait to see it in all it's glory.
Dan Druff
20-11-2001, 14:33
Originally posted by mjb1975
you know what - I've never seen Blade Runner! Shocker I know, but I've just never got round to it......I'm definitely gonna check out the new SE though - I'm prepared to wait to see it in all it's glory.
Lucky! I remember the first time I saw it, it blew me away, even in full screen on a 12" portable TV back in the late eighties. It instantly became my favourite movie. Now I watch it on a 72" grey screen, and that is better.
:D
I suggest you buy a projector for this movie, as it is the most stunningly cinematic ever made.
Originally posted by Dan Druff
I suggest you buy a projector for this movie, as it is the most stunningly cinematic ever made.
Ironically, the first time I ever saw Blade Runner was on a home projector and it was one of the most underwhelming cinematic experiences I've had. However, this is no criticism of the film, it was just badly projected and the sound system was diabolical. I could barely make out any of the dialogue and found it very hard to concentrate. I have since seen it again and enjoyed it much more but I wouldn't (as yet) call myself a devotee of the film - I think the DVD will be a great opportunity to become reacquainted (especially as the IMAX screening I was planning to go to tonight is sold out!).
Dan Druff
20-11-2001, 15:10
Originally posted by Grover
Ironically, the first time I ever saw Blade Runner was on a home projector and it was one of the most underwhelming cinematic experiences I've had. However, this is no criticism of the film, it was just badly projected and the sound system was diabolical.
With the home cinema setup I have (Sony 735, DD 5.1, DTS, grey screen, Sharp Xv-C20E LCD Projector), I try and eliminate all sense of 'home', and up the ante when it comes to 'cinema'. I think a CRT may be bought in the future, until then the setup I have does nicely, and anybody who projects a film of the class of Blade Runner half on, half off a screen, and using the internal speaker a projector, should be flogged.
Oh btw, I haven't yet seen better special effects than in Blade Runner, and why? Because they used models, REAL things, not that crappy CGI that only spoils things [/B]
Interesting point there. I've always thought that the stuff in Bladerunner and the first three Star Wars (etc.) looked..."more solid" and believable than later CGI effects.
I've always considered the SFX in Bladerunner to be among the best for its time. Much better than some movies coming after it indeed.
Originally posted by Dan Druff
With the home cinema setup I have (Sony 735, DD 5.1, DTS, grey screen, Sharp Xv-C20E LCD Projector), I try and eliminate all sense of 'home', and up the ante when it comes to 'cinema'. I think a CRT may be bought in the future, until then the setup I have does nicely, and anybody who projects a film of the class of Blade Runner half on, half off a screen, and using the internal speaker a projector, should be flogged.
actually, I have toyed with the idea of a projector recently - and I was after some advice in the Hardware forum. I noticed the Sony VPL HS1 which seems to be aimed at a new home projector market, bringing projector systems down to affordable (kind of!)prices.
What do you reckon on the Sony? I've found out more on projectors thanks to the responses and I've noticed CRT, but waaaay out of my price range! (esp. I'm still living at home - I don't think my mum will be too pleased!). Do LCD projectors give a decent enough picture? I'm no HC buff and have a pretty basic DVD/DD/DTS setup, but I'd like to add a huge screen to it!
Uncle Spanky
20-11-2001, 17:48
Ford also did the voice-over in the original version in a deliberately cheesy manner, because he didn't like the idea of doing it.
Cornelius
20-11-2001, 20:33
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
Oh... MY ... GOD! :brickwall
You gotta be kiddin' me! It's like saying Godfather has ripped off all those gangster and mafia movies that came after.
It influenced EVERY SINGLE Sci-Fi film, everyone has "stolen" a shot from Blade Runner here, "paid a homage" there, used that plot element over there, etc.
Like what?
Galaxyquest?
Contact?
Deep Impact?
Stargate?
Back to The Future?
The Abyss?
Dune?
Men In Black?
Independance Day?
Lenny Nero
21-11-2001, 02:42
Originally posted by Cornelius
Like what?
Galaxyquest?
Contact?
Deep Impact?
Stargate?
Back to The Future?
The Abyss?
Dune?
Men In Black?
Independance Day?
:brickwall
What can I say, you're missing out here not me.
Plus these movies are dealing with time travel or catastrophies or are comedies, take any other futuristic world film, anything featuring androids, intelligent machines, philosophical subthemes of life and death, dystopian societies, etc. I'm not saying there were no original ideas and you are just playing with words accentuating my all caps "Every Single" to extreme. Go away, your brain capacity is outdated and is not capable of accumulating current information, please see your nearest dealer as soon as possible for an upgrade.
Originally posted by mjb1975
actually, I have toyed with the idea of a projector recently - and I was after some advice in the Hardware forum. I noticed the Sony VPL HS1 which seems to be aimed at a new home projector market, bringing projector systems down to affordable (kind of!)prices.
What do you reckon on the Sony? I've found out more on projectors thanks to the responses and I've noticed CRT, but waaaay out of my price range! (esp. I'm still living at home - I don't think my mum will be too pleased!). Do LCD projectors give a decent enough picture? I'm no HC buff and have a pretty basic DVD/DD/DTS setup, but I'd like to add a huge screen to it!
Yes I had my eye on that projector too, nicknamed Cineza:
http://bpgprod.sel.sony.com/bpccontent/cineza/general.Par.0009.Image.gif http://bpgprod.sel.sony.com/bpccontent/cineza/general.Par.0012.OutImageBPC.true.gif
Official site
http://bpgprod.sel.sony.com/bpccontent/cineza.99999.BPC.html
It's about $2,500 in most stores and maximum display resolution is 120 feet (ehh, I mean 120 inches, 10 feet, damn this stupid system, the whole world uses metric), three times my current 42 inch TV, I think it's a better solution than even those flat screen LCDs that you can hang on the wall, bigger, better and cheaper relatively.
THX 1138
21-11-2001, 03:52
Originally posted by mjb1975
actually, I have toyed with the idea of a projector recently - and I was after some advice in the Hardware forum. I noticed the Sony VPL HS1 which seems to be aimed at a new home projector market, bringing projector systems down to affordable (kind of!)prices.
What do you reckon on the Sony? I've found out more on projectors thanks to the responses and I've noticed CRT, but waaaay out of my price range! (esp. I'm still living at home - I don't think my mum will be too pleased!). Do LCD projectors give a decent enough picture? I'm no HC buff and have a pretty basic DVD/DD/DTS setup, but I'd like to add a huge screen to it!
Well this year i bit the bullet and found a good used Barco Data 800 CRT projector and a fixed 16:9 7.5ft screen. Had it installed in sept and have watched every DVD i own again in all it's glory. Have a look at my set up (dedicated room) here http://photos.yahoo.com/thxtex
As for the Sony you mentioned, it is very poor quality wise and you would be far better looking at the Sanyo PLV-30, or some of the new dlp units at the £2k price range. Or why not look for a second hand crt projector which can cost as little as £600-£4000.
Have a look over at www.avforums.com and look out for Roland @ B4 projection who will give you some good advice and has over 40 units going at the minute.
Panavision
21-11-2001, 12:07
Originally posted by cervaro
I've always considered the SFX in Bladerunner to be among the best for its time. Much better than some movies coming after it indeed.
It's still brilliant. F/x don't date - bad will always look bad. Good will always look good.
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
Go away, your brain capacity is outdated and is not capable of accumulating current information, please see your nearest dealer as soon as possible for an upgrade.
Thats very sad, Are you an anorak or have you got an anorak because you should wear it and get out more:cool:
One Question peeps will this SE version of blade runner have the original ending on it ???
wide_inside
22-11-2001, 10:25
Define original. Original like the one he wanted, and had, but got changed by studio pressure, or original like actual original "The shining" cinema release?
wide
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
Oh btw, I haven't yet seen better special effects than in Blade Runner, and why? Because they used models, REAL things, not that crappy CGI that only spoils things
There's a very good reason for this, it's because the brain is very good at telling the difference. As explained on the SFX documentry in 'Lost in Space'. The public will buy a 70% realisic model more then a 90% realisic CGI. Because it exsists in the real world with real phyiscal attributes (gravity, lighting etc).
yeah what i mean is the orighinal theatrical release ending.
i think that should be on it for archives sake.
Lenny Nero
22-11-2001, 10:50
Originally posted by dogbert
yeah what i mean is the orighinal theatrical release ending.
i think that should be on it for archives sake.
I got it on standard 1982 issue VHS and a widescreen LD, with the voice over and everything :D
Good enough if they'll be dumb enough not to include both versions after two decades of discussions and fighting about it.
I preffered the orgional version with the voice over to the Director's Cut. Although i don't remember what the difference in endings was.
Any ideas where i can get the orgional from?
:confused:
Its available on video here (http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/7000000001508). Basically its the fullscreen release in the red box.
Dan Druff
22-11-2001, 16:55
In the fact the so-called 'Directors Cut' is more of a studio compromise..I expect a new version will be released next year onto DVD.
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