Planet of the Apes 2001

[SheepDip]

This has probably been discussed before - but as the search has been disabled -
I've only just seen this film now it's out on DVD (Was pretty disappointed that the rumoured alternative endings that were filmed were not included on this disc), however - my question is - does anyone have any idea what the ending is all about? - it just doesn't (To me) make any sense.:confused:

[JamesK]

you're right, it doesn't make any sense.

he goes forward in time, meets all the apes - has a lot of fun etc. He goes BACK in time, to before the apes were suipposed to be there - but THEY ARE STIL THERE


UGH??

[Just Call Me Wanda]

You're opening up a can of worms the size of Nebraska! :D

[platty]

Originally posted by SheepDip
This has probably been discussed before - but as the search has been disabled -
I've only just seen this film now it's out on DVD (Was pretty disappointed that the rumoured alternative endings that were filmed were not included on this disc), however - my question is - does anyone have any idea what the ending is all about? - it just doesn't (To me) make any sense.:confused:

That postcard thingy that came with the disc explains it a little :confused:

[richpoyle]

From my post a few days ago:

Objects going through the 'time storm' come out in reverse order, with the time difference multiplied.

So Peracles the chimp goes in first; Leo the astronaut goes in after him a few minutes later and comes out a few days before him in time, and then the spaceship goes in after both of them months later and comes out way years before both of them.

This works on the way back too, so months later, Thade eventually gets one of the unused pods working, goes through the time storm and emerges years before anyone else.

Having overrun America, Thade had the Lincoln memorial re-sculpted as the ultimate insult to any humans still surviving.


Or something.

[silverpenguin7]

Ok, now I cant actually remember but at what point in the film does it become clear he is transported to earth of the future? I dont remember it being said? I just thought he lands on some random planet? Of course knowing me it is very clear and I have just forgotten :rolleyes:

[richpoyle]

It's not the Earth of the future - definitely a random planet.

All nonsense really - but just can't help debating it :)

[silverpenguin7]

Originally posted by richpoyle
It's not the Earth of the future - definitely a random planet.

All nonsense really - but just can't help debating it :)
So I'm not going mad?

If this is the case, the ending is ever more confusing?! I could understand a little if it was earth but as its a random planet I really am lost :confused:

[dogbert]

When he goes thru the time displacement do dah thingy you see a calender in the cockpit go forward so many years

[Grover]

I was a bit bemused by it, spent the entire journey home from the cinema and a few hours after debating it, and then decided it didn't really make sense at all. I assume Tim Burton was just trying to throw something off-the-wall into it and get everyone thinking about it (and if this thread is anything to go by he succeeded to a certain extent). It's just a shame the rest of the film was equally as clueless and incomprehensible (in my opinion ;)).

[RoboCop4]

Originally posted by dogbert
When he goes thru the time displacement do dah thingy you see a calender in the cockpit go forward so many years

That bit made me laugh. How the hell can the pod calender measure anything outside its time 'bubble'? I wonder what Einstein would say....

[dogbert]

That bit made me laugh. How the hell can the pod calender measure anything outside its time 'bubble'? I wonder what Einstein would say....

if the delorian can do it............

[silverpenguin7]

Originally posted by RoboCop4


That bit made me laugh. How the hell can the pod calender measure anything outside its time 'bubble'? I wonder what Einstein would say....
You see, comments like this make me laugh yet I am just as bad. Someone will say something like the above when the whole film is full of stuff that cannot happen.

I find myself doing it as well. A whole film can be full of impossible events yet we will stop and question one in particular to say its stooopid etc etc :p

[Bamse]

I had a problem with the ending as well. I was going to post the question, but thought I was missing something and just being stupid. Glad to see it’s the general consensus that the ending mad no sense what so ever. If you listen to the commentary, it says basically that Burton wanted to leave it open for a sequel, but I think he’s talking out of his arse. You don’t have to make the ending completely non-sensical to leave it open for a sequel; they didn’t have to do that with the original.

Has anyone actually listened the director’s commentary? Burtons voice just seemed to really annoy me, constantly mumballing and erring, and it adds no more light on the ending of the film, what so ever. He also states that the rumoured alternate endings are exactly that, just rumours. The ending he uses, is the only ending he ever had in mind.

It’s a shame, because I liked the film up to that point
:(

[richpoyle]

At the end of the film,

Leo doesn't emerge on Earth, he emerges in space and sets off through the solar system towards Earth. The voyage is truncated to just a few seconds in the film - obviously impossible - but I think we're mean't to assume he's been travelling some time before he gets "home".

[Wolfman]

Dont forget that at the start of the film when Leo goes into the storm to fetch Pereclies (sp?) a Pod ship does appear in front of him for a few seconds before dissapearing.

Leo says he see's Pereclies pod but he could have been wrong, and that pod was infact Genereal Thade using an old pod from the space station.

[SheepDip]

Thanks for that - think that must be the answer.
By the way - as per platty I checked that postcard thing which came with the disc, and it backs up the other theories in this thread. (If anyone has the disc but read that card before viewing the film I imagine they would be fuming - it gives the whole plot away, including the final scene!)

[Davester]

it was crap!

[RichB]

it was crap!

He's harsh, but he's got a point :D

[McMikey]

I thought the main reason for this smiley :brickwall was for when a thread about the ending of POTA 2001 came up ;)

I preferred the original which I watched after the remake suprisingly. I also preferred most of the sequels to the remake

[Wolfman]

I've been thinking about this some more....

I now do not think it was General Thade in the pod that Leo sees.

I do think it was Semos. The Apes talked about the legend of Semos leaving and returning. We know Semos was amongst the original Apes that crashed on the planet with the ship and he had been given the training required to pilot the spacecraft.

So I can only assume it was him in the pod that went back to earth many years before Leo arrived.

Which if you think about it is how they appeared on earth in the original series of films. They travelled back in the spacecraft and started the ape revolution by bringing a baby ape back that could talk and was more advanced. And was bought up to start the original ape revolution.

[pythons]

I have thought about Wolfman's ideas and again I come up against problems.

Why would Semos leave? What did/whould he do? Does this have any bearing on the story?

To be honest when i sw the movie int he summer I though about it a fair bit afterwards but whichever way you look at it it doesnt make a gret deal of sense... :(

When I left the cinema everyone was kind of looking at eachother going "huh?". I think Burton wanted to get some kind of reaction, I'm not sure if he got the reaction he wanted.

[barthez]

Has any body else had problems with the Planet of the apes disk. Mine is really really enoying me and i don't know whether its just not compatible with my Tosh 3107 player.

The problem is at various stages throughout the film, at about the point where the chapter changes, the disk goes back a few chapters to what i've already watched or the disk will play but the time counter on player will stick.

help!!!!!!!..please (p.s the disk is NOT scratched or damaged)

[barthez]

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

[blakey]

Ihave a toshiba 3107 and planet of the apes won't play properly for me as well.but instead of going back my disc goes forward at various stages.it does it about 6 times thru the film.at about 29 minutes into the film it jumps 6 minutes forward and you have to rewind it back it's a real pain and i think it must be a compatabilty thing.there is no scratches or marks on my disc either.

[barthez]

thanks fotr that blakey, very intresting..............mine has gone back to play today but it seems i may be fighting a losing battle. i guess if the new copy doesn't work i'll have to bung it on ebay and wait for the region 2

many thanks for that

mark.