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pompeyfan
13-11-2004, 11:35
Surprised no thread has been started yet, so here goes...
Latest Scores:
Southampton 1 Portsmouth 1
Tottenham 0 Arsenal 0
Arsenal losing. hahaha!!!
pompeyfan
13-11-2004, 11:39
Tottenham 1 Arsenal 0
Yakubu taken off injured at Southampton
Please take off Cygan!!! even one of the youngsters could do better than him!!!!
Cygan seems to be one of those players that has really bad luck, whenever anything goes wrong he is involved.
What the hell were the Spurs defenders doing? :oh-hum:
BlueDwarf
13-11-2004, 11:49
I can't believe they just switched off to let Henry wander through and score an undeserved equaliser.
Yeah, Arsenal haven't done much, didn't deserve to equalise
Tottenham 1 Arsenal 0
Yakubu taken off injured at Southampton
did the injury look bad? I have him in my fantasy team
Yeah, Arsenal haven't done much, didn't deserve to equalise
:lol:
Happened both ways, Spuds scored when we were having alot of possession and the champions scored when Spuds were having possession.
Well I'm a Man U fan, I'm supporting Tottenham, I would be bias
Great finish by Cygan!!! Haha
Arsenal haven't won this, Tottenham have thrown this one away. I'd be furious with the team if I was a Spurs fan.
BlueDwarf
13-11-2004, 12:14
I wouldn't say Spurs have thrown it away - more like a one man crusade from Ledley King.
Come on Arsenal!!!!
Tot 1 - Arsenal 2
Tot 1 - Arsenal 3 !!!!
Vieira!!
What's that sound? Spurs fans shutting the hell up?
3-1 C'mon!!
Why don't Spurs just roll it into their own net? It'll save time. :oh-hum:
Absolutely cracking goal by Defoe though. :notworthy
Superb goal from Defoe, great game for a neutral! (Spurs fan for the day)
lol So now Santini has gone they can score, but can't defend to save their lives? :doh:
Evenn as a nutural it sounds like a cracking game at the Lane @ 4-3. Damn shame I'm stuck in work:(
And the Saints are 2-1, should buy Wigley some time if it stays like that...
Tsk, caught in posession again and it's 5-3. Spurs defence reminds me of Man United's at the start of the season - an absolute joke.
suicidedd
13-11-2004, 12:40
5-3 Pires
The defending has obviously been apalling at times, but I think that Robinson has been poor for a couple of the goals.
Freddie has been awesome today
suicidedd
13-11-2004, 12:45
4-5 Kanoute
The defending gets sillier.
morleyian
13-11-2004, 12:45
This is :nuts:
lol Spurs Spurs Spurs, if only you could defend. :(
What this game needs is a goal
andybhoy
13-11-2004, 12:48
Why did I not bother watching this game =(
Thank god I dropped naybet and edman from my ffl team!
Jol-the new Kevin Keegan?
Full time - 5-4 to the champions :clap:
:oh-hum: Spurs gifted 3 goals there, muppets
Shame, I was hoping Tottenham would get something out of it. If only they had defended as well as they've done so far this season, they would've walked away with 3 points. Good game to watch though.
Adam Thirnis
13-11-2004, 13:01
Spurs are a poor side and I'm surprised Arsenal made such hard work of it. Chelsea look to me to be strong faves for the title.
2 goals conceded from set pieces. Horrid defending, but at least the boys came through in the end. :clap:
suicidedd
13-11-2004, 13:22
Chelsea look to me to be strong faves for the title.
Agreed. :(
Same old Arsenal, always cheating :( Still we're probably more to blame for that. Naybet lost the ball twice that led to goals. We were unlucky on the Henry goal, went through King legs and wrong footed Robinson. The Pires goal was annoying because Ziegler got a good tackle in but it fell to Pires and Pamarot was out of position.
Defoe's goal was class though and it's good to see two defenders getting goals
now Santini has gone they can score, but can't defend to save their lives
Not really, since Edman got injured we've been leaking goals and scoring more. Today was the first time we scored more than 1 goal in a Premiership match (excluding penelties). I don't think Edman is match fit yet but we had too many injuries at left back and he's been rushed back.
Same old Arsenal, always cheating :(
When did we cheat??
:lol: Im happy anyway 3 points is 3 points and a Win at the lane is always nice ;)
Good game for the neutral although i did ride the emotional rollercoaster a few times in the match!!
Oh and T@xman, i think its your team on the slide not ours :lol: :nuts: ;)
charlie angel
13-11-2004, 13:46
2-1 result for Saints - thank the deity of your choice for that; didn't think we were ever going to get 3 points again...
Ah well, awful defending from us, but decent goals - threw away at least 3 of their goals but scored 4 creditable goals, albeit with you playing Cygan! :D
Fun and games at WHL these days! Laughable mistakes at the back which will have to be sorted asap.
Shame - had a potential victory there.
:lol: Arsenal conceded more goals today, than Chelsea have the entire season!
Ther aura of arsenal is leaving them now and teams are beginning to see that and i'm afraid to say it's chelsea title :(
Ther aura of arsenal is leaving them now and teams are beginning to see that and i'm afraid to say it's chelsea title :(
The Aura of Arsenal is rarely present (at least defensively) whwn Cygan is on the pitch. That's not to say he's the only problem, but he's no Sol Campbell.
:lol: Arsenal conceded more goals today, than Chelsea have the entire season!
Indeed, and they scored more away league goals in those 90 minutes than Man U have in the entire season too. :lol:
I think getting all 3 points is superb in an away North London derby, especially with Cygan on the field.
Boring, boring Arsenal. :nuts:
Indeed, and they scored more away league goals in those 90 minutes than Man U have in the entire season too. :lol:
True, True but i except that we are poor team at the moment and arsenal are starting to follow us but they are doing it defensively :D
Boring boring Chelsea!! :notworthy :notworthy
bad luck Palace, so close to a great point
andybhoy
13-11-2004, 15:59
Gutted about Baros' second penalty - was just seconds away from a couple of hundred quid.
Boring boring Chelsea!! :notworthy :notworthy
bad luck Palace, so close to a great point
I'm gutted. That would have been a great point up at Anfield. :(
When did we cheat??
Oh and T@xman, i think its your team on the slide not ours :lol: :nuts: ;)
Au contrare, my friend! I'd say that the fact such a "poor" team totally outplayed Arsenal for vast periods of the match (say, the entire 1st half and most of the second too), I'd say that we are anything but on the slide! In fact, I'd say that Arsenal were extremely fortunate that our defence was quite so generous, otherwise Arsenal may well have been on the wrong end of a right good tonking today. However, fortune appears to forever shine on the scum, and today you got away with it.....your luck can't last forever! :thumbs:
I'd also go as far as to say that the sort of football e played today is the larger part of why I became a Tottenham fan, and I am proud of my team and what they brought to the table.
On a side note, may I just add that the Arsenal support was yet again amongst the worst in the league. Charlton admit to having a crap away support, but even they were more vocal than your lot, whom I might add didn't sing a song until midway through the 2nd half(when 2 goals up)! :oh-hum: :shrug:
Arsenal gifted you goals aswell that gave you glimmers of hope in getting a draw, both defences were a shambles today
Arsenal gifted you goals aswell that gave you glimmers of hope in getting a draw, both defences were a shambles today
Exactly, but ours has been a shambles for years whereas yours hasn't - therefore you're on the slide and we're consistantly bad! :lol: :nuts:
I'd say that the fact such a "poor" team totally outplayed Arsenal for vast periods of the match
Agreed, we were poor first half, i wouldnt say you outplayed us in the 2nd half.
I'd say that we are anything but on the slide!
5 Defeats in a row?? 14th in the table?? Well maybe not on the slide, just bad :D
On a side note, may I just add that the Arsenal support was yet again amongst the worst in the league.
Ive got to agree with you, we are poor when i goto games i try and get us to start singing and it works for about 3 minutes then it stops. I think we are trying to get some more vocal support from our fans though.
To be honest it was a great game of football and one that i think we'll remember for a while yet. I dont think were on the slide, and i hope we prove that in the next few weeks.
Exactly, but ours has been a shambles for years whereas yours hasn't - therefore you're on the slide and we're consistantly bad! :lol: :nuts:
Well I wasn't disputing we aren't on a slide, because since the Utd game, and even the CL games before, from set pieces/simple defending/lehmann, clearly we are losing the plot. I was just saying, although our goals were gifted today, so were spurs. Defoe's was a great strike, but I felt our defenders paved a way for him.
I dont think were on the slide, and i hope we prove that in the next few weeks.
Yeah Arsenal are on the slide alright, sliding up the table. :D
For at least a couple of hours anyway. ;)
On a side note, may I just add that the Arsenal support was yet again amongst the worst in the league. Charlton admit to having a crap away support, but even they were more vocal than your lot, whom I might add didn't sing a song until midway through the 2nd half(when 2 goals up)! :oh-hum: :shrug:
You must have missed the "Stand up for the Champions" sung at the beginning of the match then. Unless that was Spurs fans appreciating the Arsenal team... :nuts:
Maybe they whispered it, or maybe the TV crew were located in the away section, because I can assure you that noone else in the stadium heard it. Seriously though, I wasn't commenting on it purely in spite at Arsenal, your fans were really that bad today - by far the worst away fans I can ever remember at a London derby(other than Charltons), and no where near what I'd come to expect.
Saw the highlights on MOTD - some very good goals and passing moves. Nice to see Freddie playing so well recently.
Arsenal gifted you goals as well
I'd like to know how!? No Arsenal player made any howlers like Naybet did
Thierry Henry gifted Spurs the final goal. Same thing as Naybet.
King's goal was an absolute fluke, when he went for the header he had his eyes closed and wasnt even aiming at goal. :D
morleyian
14-11-2004, 15:15
Good finish Rooney!
Fletcher playing really well
Ron diving all the time :oh-hum:
AdamBrunt
14-11-2004, 16:30
Good finish Rooney!
Combined with poor defending and even poorer goalkeeping from Newcastle ;)
Pen to Man Utd
Ruud to take.......goal
Ronaldo is over doing his trick today :mad:
Seriously riding our luck here, barely any clear cut chances. Newcastle unlucky to concede the pen and also when Kluivert got called offside early on in the second half.
I'd like to know how!? No Arsenal player made any howlers like Naybet did
Thierry Henry for your fourth? I remember Freddie giving away a needless FK for your first goal aswell. And don't get me started on King's goal
Great work by Alan Smith for Rooney's second
morleyian
14-11-2004, 17:02
Why didn't they take it in the corner? Damn those mancs!
3-1, Rooney with the 3rd.
Unlucky Newcastle, could maybe argue you deserved a point, but well, tough :p
Seriously riding our luck here, barely any clear cut chances. Newcastle unlucky to concede the pen
eh? Given missed the ball and dived at Scholes and brought him down. Stonewall penalty
eh? Given missed the ball and dived at Scholes and brought him down. Stonewall penalty
Or alternatively - Given dived with his eyes only on getting the ball and Scholes happened to be running across him.
Unlucky on Newcastle if you ask me.
campdave
14-11-2004, 17:18
Or alternatively - Given dived with his eyes only on getting the ball and Scholes happened to be running across him.
Unlucky on Newcastle if you ask me.
Still brought him down though.
eh? Given missed the ball and dived at Scholes and brought him down. Stonewall penalty
Given didn't aim to take out Scholes, but he did impede him. Definite penalty, but still unlucky :shrug:
If a defender went for the ball in the penalty area and the attacker pushed the ball past him and the defender then upended the striker, would it be a penalty? What is so differenent with a goal keepers challenge?
Given didn't aim to take out Scholes, but he did impede him. Definite penalty, but still unlucky :shrug:
By the same logic, most penalties are unlucky because most players that give away a penalty do not mean to take the player down. For penalties, most players mis-judge the tackle or the speed of the opposing player or the skill of the opposing player.
I agree 100% jayok (that must be a 1st ;)). Given went for the ball, Given missed the ball and in the process stopped Scholes getting to the ball - definitely a foul and therefore a penalty. The fact he wasn't yellow carded shows that the ref believed he was genuinely attempting to play the ball rather than it being a professional foul but that doesn't make it any less of a penalty.
By the same logic, most penalties are unlucky because most players that give away a penalty do not mean to take the player down. For penalties, most players mis-judge the tackle or the speed of the opposing player or the skill of the opposing player.
Plenty are unlucky, wouldn't class tackles that are late or mistimed (whether they intended to take the player/ball or not) as unlucky, just a bad tackle.
This particular time I could easily have imagined the ref playing on and us getting nothing.
Either way, I thought it was unlucky, you didn't, fair enough.
edit - just to reiterate, I agree with it being a penalty. And have now made a mental note not to post about unlucky penalties :thinking:
By the same logic, most penalties are unlucky because most players that give away a penalty do not mean to take the player down. For penalties, most players mis-judge the tackle or the speed of the opposing player or the skill of the opposing player.
But usually a defender will be going in for a challenge on a player who is already in possession of the ball - therefore they must realise, as you say, that mis-timing it will produce a foul.
In this case Given was making a genuine attempt to dive onto what was effectively a loose ball - it was just unlucky for him that he fell across Scholes' path as he missed it.
I think that it probably did have to be a pen because he did impede Scholes - but it was very unlucky on Newcastle.
I think it was unlucky for Given but the laws of the game dictate that if a player is fouled (deliberate or not) in the plenty area, it is a plenalty. It would have been an incorrect decision if the ref did not give a penalty in the situation :shrug:
I think it was unlucky for Given
So you agree with my first post :?: :D
Just to throw another one into the pot. As no-one had control of the ball and Given blocked off Scholes could it not be classed as obstruction? And if so an indirect free kick in the penalty area?
In this case Given was making a genuine attempt to dive onto what was effectively a loose ball - it was just unlucky for him that he cut across Scholes' path as he missed it.
If two players are going for a loose ball in the box and one player gets to it before the other player and the other player takes him down because he was not fast enough... it is a penalty! What is so different if the goal keeper was one of the players?
If two players are going for a loose ball in the box and one player gets to it before the other player and the other player takes him down because he was not fast enough... it is a penalty! What is so different if the goal keeper was one of the players?
Did Given actually "take down" Scholes?
If two players are going for a loose ball in the box and one player gets to it before the other player and the other player takes him down because he was not fast enough... it is a penalty! What is so different if the goal keeper was one of the players?
And Scholes didn't get to before Given - Scholes fell over Given's body on the way to it.
It was a lot unluckier than your standard penalty where defender slides in at an attacker and gets the man not the ball.
Just to throw another one into the pot. As no-one had control of the ball and Given blocked off Scholes could it not be classed as obstruction? And if so an indirect free kick in the penalty area?
Good call!
Cannot believe that miss by Kanu today :shrug:
And Scholes didn't get to before Given - Scholes fell over Given's body on the way to it.
But would of, had Given not got hold of Scholes and brought him down.
It was less of a penalty than Lampards' "dive" but it was a penalty none the less IMHO.
Fever Dawg
14-11-2004, 18:45
Must admit I never tire of seeing She-Ra crying in post-match interviews.
"Ferguson has put the Ref under pressure with his comments after the Man City game. I know that if it was at OT and it was for us then it definitely wouldn't have been given" :cry: :cry:
Adam Thirnis
14-11-2004, 18:50
Must admit I never tire of seeing She-Ra crying in post-match interviews.
"Ferguson has put the Ref under pressure with his comments after the Man City game. I know that if it was at OT and it was for us then it definitely wouldn't have been given" :cry: :cry:
Souness is good value - he must be the most hard-done-by manager in football history. His teams are incredibly unlucky - every penalty given against them is always a bad decision.
Great first goal from Rooney - showed terrific technique by volleying the ball coming past him.
Fever Dawg
14-11-2004, 18:51
And Scholes didn't get to before Given - Scholes fell over Given's body on the way to it.
Er, yes he did ! Scholes clearly got a foot to the ball and Given brought him down. I don't understand all this 'unlucky' business ?! Why is it unlucky if your goalkeeper clumsily brings down an attacker and the Ref rightly gives a penalty ??
Must admit I never tire of seeing She-Ra crying in post-match interviews.
"Ferguson has put the Ref under pressure with his comments after the Man City game. I know that if it was at OT and it was for us then it definitely wouldn't have been given" :cry: :cry:
I bet he didnt mention the tug on Browns shorts, when he scored his goal , did he ....no, thought not......whinging sod.... :oh-hum:..tell me again how, many medals has he got?.... :lol:
Owen just scored again. I'm really pleased for him, he is showing his class at the moment.
Fever Dawg
14-11-2004, 18:55
Souness is good value - he must be the most hard-done-by manager in football history. His teams are incredibly unlucky - every penalty given against them is always a bad decision.
I'd like to see his interview after the Man City game a couple of weeks ago when they got more than a couple of dodgy decisions go their way. I distinctly remember KK being a bit upset.
AdamBrunt
14-11-2004, 19:26
I bet he didnt mention the tug on Browns shorts, when he scored his goal , did he ....no, thought not......whinging sod.... :oh-hum:..tell me again how, many medals has he got?.... :lol:
Erm ... maybe that's because there wasn't one !!!!
Or did the game change to "touch tackling" in the last 5 minutes ??
I can only hope that Newcastle's defence is equally as bad when Liverpool come calling.
AdamBrunt
14-11-2004, 19:26
Owen just scored again. I'm really pleased for him, he is showing his class at the moment.
Good news for Liverpool ... cos it improves the chances of the much better Morientes coming to Anfield in January :clap:
Erm ... maybe that's because there wasn't one !!!!
Or did the game change to "touch tackling" in the last 5 minutes ??
I can only hope that Newcastle's defence is equally as bad when Liverpool come calling.
Have another look, as he turned Brown he nearly took Brown's shorts with him!
saltysam
14-11-2004, 19:42
Good news for Liverpool ... cos it improves the chances of the much better Morientes coming to Anfield in January :clap:do madrid accept payments in peanuts?where's the money coming from?
Have another look, as he turned Brown he nearly took Brown's shorts with him!
I'm glad somebody else saw it ...... :thumbs:
AdamBrunt
14-11-2004, 20:31
do madrid accept payments in peanuts?where's the money coming from?
And yet we made a bigger loss the previous year year but still managed to buy Cisse, Alonso and Garcia for a total of nearly £30M .... or did we pay their clubs in peanuts too ??
No you managed to sell Owen, Heskey etc.
saltysam
14-11-2004, 21:08
And yet we made a bigger loss the previous year year but still managed to buy Cisse, Alonso and Garcia for a total of nearly £30M .... or did we pay their clubs in peanuts too ??tell me then why we borrowed phileas fogg's hot air balloon to travel around the world searching for thais,yanks,anyone who would give us some cash?and if you think we just handed over 30 million for those players think again,it's on the never never.i seriously doubt we've paid much more than 8 million of that total.
monkeyman
14-11-2004, 22:47
Er, yes he did ! Scholes clearly got a foot to the ball and Given brought him down. I don't understand all this 'unlucky' business ?! Why is it unlucky if your goalkeeper clumsily brings down an attacker and the Ref rightly gives a penalty ??
Who was the wise man who said "if in doubt,I always look to Andy Grays impartial views as to whether its a penalty or not"?
By the way,in this case I disagree with Andy here,it was deffo a pen!! ;)
Fever Dawg
16-11-2004, 19:24
Who was the wise man who said "if in doubt,I always look to Andy Grays impartial views as to whether its a penalty or not"?
By the way,in this case I disagree with Andy here,it was deffo a pen!! ;)
The crucial part of that quoted sentence is "if in doubt".
I'm not. :D :p
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