View Full Version : England squad for October WC Qualifiers
Adam Thirnis
03-10-2004, 17:26
Announced tonight I think. Not sure what time.
Squad announced :
Goalkeepers: James (Man City), Robinson (Tottenham), Green (Norwich).
Defenders: Terry (Chelsea, Ferdinand (Man Utd), King (Tottenham), Campbell (Arsenal), A Cole (Arsenal), G Neville (Man Utd), P Neville (Man Utd), Carragher (Liverpool).
Midfielders: Butt (Newcastle), Hargreaves (Bayern Munich), J Cole (Chelsea), Lampard (Chelsea), Jenas (Newcastle), Beckham (Real Madrid), Wright-Phillips (Man City).
Forwards: Rooney (Man Utd), Smith (Man Utd), Owen (Real Madrid), Defoe (Tottenham), Vassell (Aston Villa).
fadeaway53
03-10-2004, 18:25
Pretty standard squad really.
The real interesting decision will be deciding who gets the 2 centre back spots. Wish all positions in the team were as well covered as the centre backs.
Fever Dawg
03-10-2004, 18:48
Midfield looks a bit lightweight without Gerrard
BlueDwarf
03-10-2004, 19:00
Phil Neville, eh? How does he do it?
Agree about the midfield - we are lacking strength in depth.
Probably line up:
Beckham, Lampard, Butt, Cole (J)
Would like to see:
SWP, Beckham, Lampard, Cole (J)
mikeh1982
03-10-2004, 21:41
robinson
cole campbell ferdinand neville
cole lampard butt beckham
owen rooney
will be the team wont it :(, has owen done anything to warrant a start (especially over defoe at the moment?) and cant see King or Terry keeping deserved places at the back over the ever presents. would be nice to see him break the mould and play some players who deserve it (Still wouldnt put money on Robinson starting, despite our defensive record this season)
Yea unfortunatly Owen played 50 minutes tonight for Real so Sven will probably stick him straight back in. :( Hopefully SWP plays.
pompeyfan
03-10-2004, 22:31
At least Sven's now confirmed he dosen't look at things like form and consistency over a period of time before picking his squad, but goes with his favorites regardless - how else does Ferdinand get in? He's only played 3 or 4 games since January.
Porsmond
03-10-2004, 22:52
well thank heavens John Terry hasnt been dropped from the squad after rumours they he might be to be replaced by Ferdinand. Personally I nearly found that discusting, Terry has been an absolute rock in defence for Chelsea and deserves his place in the England Squad, and I dont believe Ferdinand should go back in the squad straight away, I think he should play a few more games first and earn his place, Its not right to go immediatly back in the squad after 8 months when so many others have played well and dont get a look in.
I really hope Terry plays now, and my mum will be happy with this as she is a chelsea fan and she was really disapointed after hearing Terry could be dropped from the squad so at least she will be happy tonight :)
Mandrill
03-10-2004, 22:57
From what I have seen Ferdinand has played well just because he is in the squad doesnt mean he will go straight into the team.I dont see a problem taking 4 good CB's into 2 qualifiers.
Can't complain about Rio, he was solid when he came back as was rooney. Defoe should start in place of Owen and King should be ahead of Campbell. That said, I'd be happy for King to get a rest.
fadeaway53
03-10-2004, 23:11
Yea unfortunatly Owen played 50 minutes tonight for Real so Sven will probably stick him straight back in. :( Hopefully SWP plays.
Did you see how Owen played though? Hope Sven did and realises he doesn't have the confidence at the moment to merit starting him.
I would go for:
rooney, roon Robinson
A Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, G Neville
rooney, rooney, King
Beckham, Lampard, Wright-Phillips/ J. Cole
rooney, Rooney,
rooney,ddddddd Defoe
King should be ahead of Campbell. That said, I'd be happy for King to get a rest.
:razz: :nuts:
Campbell is England greatest defender. :notworthy
Did you see how Owen played though? Hope Sven did and realises he doesn't have the confidence at the moment to merit starting him.
Unfortunatly to Sven it doesnt matter how Owen plays (this applies to Beckham, Scholes etc) because he'll keep starting him as long as he's playing football.
Campbell is England greatest defender.
Was. Then everything went to his head and he lost it. He wasn't the same player in the last two seasons at Spurs and he continued in that vein since. He's not a bad player but he's not as good as Ferdinand or King.
Pisces Iscariot
04-10-2004, 19:19
Was. Then everything went to his head and he lost it. He wasn't the same player in the last two seasons at Spurs and he continued in that vein since. He's not a bad player but he's not as good as Ferdinand or King. Eh? Since joining Arsenal Campbell has improved vastly and IMO he's been the best central defender in the country over the last couple of years.
(As painful as it is to say, I would have to agree that Campbell should probably be in the XI, and I'd say alongside Rio. King Ledley ain't a bad replacement if push comes to shove though!)
Is the game next Wednesday on Terrestrial TV?
Radiohead
06-10-2004, 13:29
Is the game next Wednesday on Terrestrial TV?
Sky Sports 1.
Fever Dawg
06-10-2004, 13:45
how else does Ferdinand get in? He's only played 3 or 4 games since January.
Er ... and they have been the latest 3 or 4 games. What are you saying? Don't pick arguably our best defender because he hasn't played 30 games on the trot?
He's shown enough in the 4 games he's played to warrant inclusion in the squad.
Was. Then everything went to his head and he lost it. He wasn't the same player in the last two seasons at Spurs and he continued in that vein since. He's not a bad player but he's not as good as Ferdinand or King.
:lol: :lol:
Campbell is the best defender in England and has only got better since leaving Spurs. Everyone knows that, stop being so bitter. Shame you haven't manged to get over him leaving yet - perhaps you should get some counseling?
King is 4th choice - not becasue he isn't any good - just becasue there are 3 superb/excellent players who are better than him in that position.
Shame you haven't manged to get over him leaving yet - perhaps you should get some counseling?
:lol: I'm hardly bitter, I wasn't that bothered when he left because he hadn't been on form for a long time. The only thing that I didn't like was his betrayl but as a player he wasn't anything I was that worried about loosing. I knew we how good King was and he's just got better. I was far more annoyed when Teddy went to ManU
Maybe I'm blinkered but I haven't seen anyone do as well in defense for england in recent games as King has
Bill Carr
06-10-2004, 15:15
Maybe I'm blinkered but I haven't seen anyone do as well in defense for england in recent games as King has
Ashley Cole maybe?!
Maybe I'm blinkered but I haven't seen anyone do as well in defense for england in recent games as King has
You obviously didn't see England v Portugal then
(not really becasue of Campbell's performance - because Ashley Cole gave one of the all time great perfomances by an England left back)
Edit - beaten to it by Bill - must type faster :thumbs:
Maybe Cole doesn't count becasue he plays for the enemy?
You obviously didn't see England v Portugal then
(not really becasue of Campbell's performance - because Ashley Cole gave one of the all time great perfomances by an England left back)
Must admit that that was probably the best performance I've seen from an England left back. I've not seen or heard of many other left backs who have made Ronaldo so ineffective during the whole match.
Up until that game I had always thought Cole was much better at going forward than defending.
I would go for:
Robinson
A Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, G Neville
King
Beckham, Lampard, Wright-Phillips/ J. Cole
Rooney,
Defoe
I could live with that formation, maybe drop Beckham and have Lampard, Wright-Phillips & J. Cole across the middle instead. :D
Sky Sports 1.
Cheers. Sounds like it'll have to be a night in the pub then.
I'm personally hoping Sven grows some balls and doesn't give Owen a game (even from the bench). I'd rather see Smith come on in the 2nd half. And, if nothing else, Sven showing a hardline to someone like Owen will put the fear into David Beckham and maybe inspire him back to his best.
d.boyd1uk
06-10-2004, 17:47
Robinson
G.Neville R.Ferdinand S.Campbell A.Cole (frightning)
D.Beckham N.Butt F.Lampard O.Hargreaves
W.Rooney J.Defoe (very frightning)
That would be my choice, once we estblish a 3-0 lead :lol:, put beckham into the middle with SWP to the wing.
Maybe Cole doesn't count becasue he plays for the enemy?
Well there is that, but he goes forward so much I've barely noticed him in defense.
sharp_circle
07-10-2004, 04:52
I would go for:
rooney, roon Robinson
A Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, G Neville
rooney, rooney, King
Beckham, Lampard, Wright-Phillips, J. Cole
rooney, Rooney,
rooney,ddddddd Defoe
me too, man that would be great if we could play 12 players :D
me too, man that would be great if we could play 12 players :D
You have edited my post above!
I have Wright-Phillips/J. Cole (which means either one!)
& not Wright-Phillips, J. Cole which you have above
:p
Fat Bloke
07-10-2004, 19:54
Anyone know what shirts are being worn on Saturday? I want to wear my England away, but if Wales are wearing their Red shirts, then I wont.
Well there is that, but he goes forward so much I've barely noticed him in defense.
He doesn't/didn't get forward as much for England though - when Scholes was in front of him it meant he was defending the left flank single handedly. That's what made his performances so impressive.
Also the sheer amount of time he spent doing successful tackles and defending against Portugal made him about as noticable as you can get.
:brickwall
welshmatt
07-10-2004, 20:31
For gods sake N00N00 stop talking about a good game he had a few months ago, at least try and expand your arguements beyond one match.
Radiohead
07-10-2004, 20:38
I'm liking this idea of playing Defoe, Rooney and Owen.
That's one pacey attack....
For gods sake N00N00 stop talking about a good game he had a few months ago, at least try and expand your arguements beyond one match.
The poster was suggesting only King had been the only player giving decent defensive performances recently.
That game totally rebuffs everything he said and was the most significant game England have played for a long time.
My point isn't just about that one match either - Cole was excellent for the whole of Euro 2004, but particualrly special for that particular (very high profile) game and that's why i used it.
Apologies for not stating explicitly that Cole was excellent for the whole of Euro 2004 - I have however mentioned this on the forums previously and anyone who knows anything about football would know it anyway - he did make the Euro 2004 All Star team afterall (as did Sol, but not King :D )
Perhaps you could have mentioned these things instead of being so negative?
sharp_circle
08-10-2004, 04:53
You have edited my post above!
I have Wright-Phillips/J. Cole (which means either one!)
& not Wright-Phillips, J. Cole which you have above
:p
It wouldn't have been funny if I didn't edit it :D
welshmatt
08-10-2004, 09:33
Perhaps you could have mentioned these things instead of being so negative?
Well i have to try and dampen everyones enthusiasm before Saturdays game somehow, as it wont be so hard when we get a result ;)
I'm liking this idea of playing Defoe, Rooney and Owen.
That's one pacey attack....
But he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. 1/ To avoid looking like he's refusing to play his best players (Defoe) & 2/ To avoid having to bench Michael Owen who doesn't currently deserve to be in the starting line-up. It's a coward's approach.
balstino
08-10-2004, 10:09
Excellence defensive options to select from, but I don't know how these clowns get in the team, there are a lot better players out there...
Goalkeepers: James (Man City)
Midfielders: Butt (Newcastle), Hargreaves (Bayern Munich), J Cole (Chelsea),
Forwards: Vassell (Aston Villa). :oh-hum:
I too like the idea of Owen, Rooney and Defoe. Sounds like a very potent attack and might solve the problem of Gerrard (who goes forward) being out. :thumbs:
But he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. 1/ To avoid looking like he's refusing to play his best players (Defoe) & 2/ To avoid having to bench Michael Owen who doesn't currently deserve to be in the starting line-up. It's a coward's approach.
Just what I was thinking, like you say, its a coward's approach. He knows Rooney & Defoe are his best 2 options but he daren't drop Owen.
Put it this way, if Defoe was off form and Owen was having a purple patch, would he still play 3 strikers? Would he hell... :oh-hum:
balstino
08-10-2004, 10:35
I totally agree but without Stevie G we need extra potential going forward. Owen's support play for Rooney was quite good during Euro 2004, I think 3 upfront is a great idea. :)
Bill Carr
08-10-2004, 10:45
Don't Wales play 5 in midfield, with Bellamy as a sort of deep lying support for Hartson? Aren't we leaving ourselves a bit exposed in the middle, if we play 3 up front?
balstino
08-10-2004, 10:56
Depends who he plays in our Midfield? He's taken the wrong players for a tough holding midfield, it's very attacking if he plays lets say 4 in defence, 3 upfront and...
Lampard (Chelsea), Beckham (Real Madrid), Wright-Phillips (Man City).
I've not seen much of Newcastle this season, is Jenas mostly attacking and Butt in a holding role? It may be Butt for SWP then which would justify his inclusion in the squad. :D :thinking:
Sven's already said that Butt will start.
C'mon Sven, drop 4-3-3 and go 4-4-2 from the off. Have the balls to drop the weakes striker (who I acatually think is Defoe).
d.boyd1uk
08-10-2004, 15:41
C'mon Sven, drop 4-3-3 and go 4-4-2 from the off. Have the balls to drop the weakes striker (who I acatually think is Defoe).
:lol:
Defoe, Rooney>>>>>>>=top marksman
Owen>>>>>>>>>>>>>=struggling, he his not at his best.
balstino
08-10-2004, 15:42
Hmmm, I don't see the advantage of dropping a striker? Is SWP gonna provide better support play than Owen? Is having the dangerous Defoe off the pitch a mistake? I think 3 is a bold and good move. :)
d.boyd1uk
08-10-2004, 15:54
Rooney could almost play as an attcacking midfielder, with defoe ahead and owen up there too.
TBH I hope it's a really good game and not one sided, I hope it's an heart thumping match, if it's one sided it will get boring, unless of course england are getting hammered, :lol:
I hope it's 1-0 to England with 5 minutes to go and Wales score twice to win 2-1 :lol:
I am English, I have lived in Wales for 27 year, so it's all confusing, lets hope for a god un.
Hmmm, I don't see the advantage of dropping a striker? Is SWP gonna provide better support play than Owen?
Probably yes. In fact he's scored more goals then Owen this season.
sharp_circle
08-10-2004, 16:29
C'mon Sven, drop 4-3-3 and go 4-4-2 from the off. Have the balls to drop the weakes striker (who I acatually think is Defoe).
How anyone can think defoe is the weak striker is beyond me - get rid of Owen ffs.
Interesting tomorrow.
Us Welsh will take the pee if we win and say "It's not rugby" if we lose.
Phew. All bases covered.
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.