View Full Version : Cheap 17" Widescreen LCD TV? - AKAI LM-17CLSA £399.99
xraystan
08-09-2004, 10:28
I've done a quick search and I cannot find any mention of this anywhere, but comet have this 17" LCD jobbie up for only £399.99 including VAT and delivery.
Click http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/455_181900.html
Spec...
Dimensions 33.8x52.0x20.0(H/W/D)cm
Television type LCD Details the size and colour of the screen
Television size 17 inches Size of the television measured diagonally across the screen
Screen format Widescreen (16:9) Widescreen format for viewing films in the format originally intended by the director.
Pixel resolution 1280x768 The higher the number of pixels the better the picture resolution.
Contrast Ratio 400:1 This is the measurement of the difference in light intensity between the brightest white and the darkest black. The higher the contrast ratio the better the picture quality.
Brightness 400cd/m2 Generally the greater the brightness the better quality of the picture, however it is how the brightness and contrast of the panel work together that determines the final picture performance quality.
Visible screen 36.9x22.1cm Screen sizes vary from 49 to 88cm, pure flat screens reduce distortion
Sound Nicam Digital Stereo For standard stereo sound reproduction.
Power output (RMS) 3.5x3.5 watts A larger output results in greater volume.
Scart sockets 1 Easy of connection of a DVD player, video, digital box or adapter etc.
RGB Scart sockets 1 These scart sockets can accept picture signals in high quality RGB format. Connecting a compatible DVD player or digital box/adapter via these sockets will therefore result in a better picture quality. These scart sockets are included in the total number of scart sockets listed above.
AV inputs side For easy connection of equipment such as camcorders or games consoles.
S-Video socket Enables a high quality connection to a video or DVD player with a corresponding output. Delivers a higher quality image by sending the colour and brightness elements down four separate wires.
Component video inputs No
Tuner box included Built in The tuner is built into the TV so there is no need for a separate tuner box to watch normal TV broadcasts.
Speakers included Yes To optimise your audio experience
Tabletop stand Included To display your television
Wall mountable Yes Wall bracket available to buy as an accessory from comet.co.uk. You will be offered this bracket when you click on the "BUY NOW" icon above.
On screen menus Yes For easy selection of features.
Other Features tbc Picture grading Rated by the independent experts at What Video and TV magazine. Graded A-E (A being the best)
tbc Sound grading Rated by the independent experts at What Video and TV magazine. Graded A-E (A being the best).
tbc Connectivity grading Rated by the independent experts at What Video and TV magazine. Graded A-E (A being the best)
Component Video Connection 3 RCA high quality video connection
Digital comb filter Separates combined colour and black & white picture information, to ensure crisp sharp picture detail without the kind of picture vibration experienced with fine picture detail.
Digital video noise reduction Reduces static noise, improving image quality.
Digital Picture Processing Processes which improve TV picture quality, brightness and colour.
10 page teletext memory For later recall of text pages.
pal/NTSC progressive scan Scans individual picture lines in sequence rather than alternately, maximising the clarity of digital images from DVD and enhancing NTSC software playback.
Auto set up for easy tuning Automatically tunes in and sets the channels at the touch of a button.
Sleep timer Can be set to switch off automatically.
Child lock to prevent unwanted tampering By using a pass-code, the set can be prevented from being used by unauthorised persons, such as children.
Low energy consumption .
Carrying handle To enable you to carry your TV around
Headphone socket Enables the use of personal headphones.
Digital zoom Allows you to view 4:3 or 16:9 format broadcasts in your preferred format.
Remote control Enables you to operate your equipment from a remote handset
100 channels The maximum number of channels that can be stored by the video
NTSC playback Allows playback of NTSC format videos and DVDs. NTSC (National Television Standards Committee) is the television system used primarily in USA and Japan.
Digital Natural Motion Analyses movement in a broadcast, video or DVD and creates new frames of picture information between the frames already present in the original footage. Fast moving objects thus look sharper and seem to cross the screen much more smoothly.
Digital Sound Processor (DSP) DSP can alter the atmosphere of the sound reproduction without any loss of quality. With effects such as Hall or Stadium it will sound as if you are really at the event
VGA compatible This screen is VGA compatible when used as a computer monito r
SVGA compatible This screen is SVGA compatible when used as a computer monit or
XGA compatible This screen is XGA compatible when used as a computer monito r
RGB PC in This screen will receive RGB PC in signals
Picture-In-Picture View one TV channel whilst a second is displayed in an inset box in one corner of the screen.
Advanced Digital Signal Processing Ensures deep contrast and natural colours
Built in speakers Speakers are integrated in the TV.
Teletext for instant access to news & information Access to ceefax and teletext services.
160 Viewing Angle Determines the optimum viewing angle
Response time conforms to LCD TV standards True LCD TVs meet certain specifications in order to be classed as LCD TVs not TFT PC monitors. This LCD TV meets this criteria
50Hz standard picture scanning 50Hz picture scanning is the standard refresh rate for TVs. It refers to the amount of time the screen takes to load frames one after another.
I'm not too up on these type of things, but it looks a bargain to me and a guy I work with said his mate has one and it's supposed to be pretty good.
Sorry about the formatting of the specs. Probably best if you click on the link.
There are other 17" w/s LCD TV's which are cheaper if you have a search, although this could be a good one, i have no idea!
I just bought one, rather pleased with it as well. :)
Link doesn't work for me.
The Kiss Coolview 17" TFT is cheaper at PC World £349.99 IIRC....
There's always the 4:3 Video 7 17" TFT at dabs (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/pan/TrackerServlet?p=14532&a=60823&g=86005&url=http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=31NK) or Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001DHHWA/thedvdforums-21) or eBuyer (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?product_uid=56093) for the cost conscious
Another 17" widescreen LCD TV - £329...
Sharp LL-171ME @ Digi UK (http://www.digiuk.com/productdetail.asp?id=2094)
Another 17" widescreen LCD TV - £329...
Sharp LL-171ME @ Digi UK (http://www.digiuk.com/productdetail.asp?id=2094)
That is soooo tempting! PIP, Component input and PC!
But is it any good!
Dave
According to the official Sharp (http://www.sharp.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=862) webpage it doesn't have component input but RGB SCART instead.
If you're after the Akai, then Play (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=ELEC&title=478567) have the identical Medion MD2617 for £349.99.
Hmmm, been looking at the Philips widescreen at PC World, but this looks like it might be a better deal....
If you're after the Akai, then Play (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=ELEC&title=478567) have the identical Medion MD2617 for £349.99.
The Medion is not identical to the Akai, it's a Goodmans clone. The Akai is the same as the Relysis.
Hmmm, been looking at the Philips widescreen at PC World, but this looks like it might be a better deal....
None of these come close to the Philips for picture or sound quality. If you want something even better go for a TOSHIBA 17WL46. Truly awesome picture and only £428.
Another 17" widescreen LCD TV - £329...
Sharp LL-171ME @ Digi UK (http://www.digiuk.com/productdetail.asp?id=2094)
That looks amazing for the price.17" Widescreen TFT TV.Its works great as a monitor and has Nicam stereo on board as well so for that price it looks good.Will think about it over night but think that is what Ive been looking for.
Cheers :thumbs:
None of these come close to the Philips for picture or sound quality. If you want something even better go for a TOSHIBA 17WL46. Truly awesome picture and only £428.
How do you know that the Philips is streets ahead? It is tempting, especially with the 40 quid off voucher....
On a side note, how do you get a PC to display 1280X968 as it's not a "normal" resolution is it?
The Medion is not identical to the Akai, it's a Goodmans clone. The Akai is the same as the Relysis.
The Akai (http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=1&id2=4&id3=333&isspec=1) is not the same as the Relisys (http://www.relisys.com/products/features.cfm?prod_id=56&cat_id=2&category=LCD%20TV&product=RLT1720). The Relisys doesn't have RGB SCART and they don't even look identical .
The Akai (http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=1&id2=4&id3=333&isspec=1) is not the same as the Relisys (http://www.relisys.com/products/features.cfm?prod_id=56&cat_id=2&category=LCD%20TV&product=RLT1720). The Relisys doesn't have RGB SCART and they don't even look identical .
Sorry have to admit I was wrong on this. :doh:
Gavin I have seen the picture on all of these and the Philps is definately brighter and clearer.
Im very tempted by the sharp,It seems to have everything.Widescreen,PIP,Nicam Stereo,Scart,Svhs and PC input and a killer price.
Im also tempted by the JVC 17" and also the Toshiba 17" both of which are Widescreen,Nicam,PC input and both are progressive scan.So the quation is do a spend another £100 for progressive scan or not.Anybody got one of the JVC or Toshiba's and can comment.The Philips 9946 range looks good as well but as the cheapest Ive seen the 17" for is £581 + Del then thats too much for me but I like the design.
Im also tempted by the JVC 17" and also the Toshiba 17" both of which are Widescreen,Nicam,PC input and both are progressive scan.So the quation is do a spend another £100 for progressive scan or not.Anybody got one of the JVC or Toshiba's and can comment.The Philips 9946 range looks good as well but as the cheapest Ive seen the 17" for is £581 + Del then thats too much for me but I like the design.
I can guarantee that if you buy the TOSHIBA 17WL46 you will be delighted with it. It knocks spots off the Relisys, I have both. Fantastic picture, only £428 online with free delivery. In my opinion better than the Philips.
The Kiss coolview 17" widescreen tv is now down to £299 or £274 with the forums voucher code.
Does any anyone have any experience of this monitor?
Good price on the Kiss....I suggest you go down to PCW and have a look, they normally have them in store, so you can see it yourself...
Good price on the Kiss....I suggest you go down to PCW and have a look, they normally have them in store, so you can see it yourself...
Does the Kiss have a SCART?
Can't say I noticed when I saw it, go down there and check and look at the other ones too :)
and what code would that be then can only get it down to £289
mhopley
The Kiss coolview 17" widescreen tv is now down to £299 or £274 with the forums voucher code.
Does any anyone have any experience of this monitor?
lodos lcd half price
lodos lcd half price
saw lodos lcd tv 20inch in sainsbury marked as half price around 369.not sure of exact price cannot remember but big red stickers said half price
http://www.lodosinternational.org.uk/tv6.htm
Ok I have it narrowed down to the Sharp at £329 or the Tosh 17WL46 which is £428.The Tosh looks good and has prog scan or is the sharp enough for me.It will be replacing a Sony 16" Widescreen 16WS1 which is still going strong and has been since 1997.
Tried my loca Sainsburys the lodos on the shelf was still £699 poo!
Ok I have it narrowed down to the Sharp at £329 or the Tosh 17WL46 which is £428.The Tosh looks good and has prog scan or is the sharp enough for me.It will be replacing a Sony 16" Widescreen 16WS1 which is still going strong and has been since 1997.
Why not the Philips at £360?
and what code would that be then can only get it down to £289
Enter Removed (£25 off on orders > £250 )
comes to £278.99 including delivery.
Kiss has no scart but can be wall mounted without having to buy a vesa mount which is a bit of a bonus.
Have a read of what the Bargain Forum Rules (http://thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132270) say about posting vouchers/codes on the forums.
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Kiss has no scart but can be wall mounted without having to buy a vesa mount which is a bit of a bonus.
what would be the best way to connect this to my dvd player then, scart to...? :shrug:
Why not the Philips at £360?
So where is this Philips for £360? The only Philips I can find at PC World is a monitor not a TV and it's not widescreen either.
what would be the best way to connect this to my dvd player then, scart to...? :shrug:
Scart to S-Video and left/right phonos
So where is this Philips for £360? The only Philips I can find at PC World is a monitor not a TV and it's not widescreen either.
PCworld PHILIPS 170T4FS
(Product Code - 709524) £399.99
Use £40 voucher to bring it down to £360
but..... Out of stock on website
PCworld PHILIPS 170T4FS
(Product Code - 709524) £399.99
Use £40 voucher to bring it down to £360
but..... Out of stock on website
Not really a choice if it's not available!!
PCworld PHILIPS 170T4FS
(Product Code - 709524) £399.99
Use £40 voucher to bring it down to £360
but..... Out of stock on website
Had not seen the philips until you posted it so thanks for that.Pity it is out of stock as it would be a contender.Couldnt find any information on it on the philips site.The few other companies that do it are looking for £500 but nobody has it in stock.
Hmmm, was in stock the other day, was gonna order one but thought I'd wait and see what came out of this thread :(
Just ordered the Sharp from digiuk, thanks for posting it Phn, will report back when it arrives...
Just ordered the Sharp from digiuk, thanks for posting it Phn, will report back when it arrives...
Post back here when you get it and let me know what you think of it as I would be interested.
Back on topic I can confirm that the Akai is a great piece of kit.
Despite what the manual says it can do PIP at full WXGA resolution too.
Anyone seen the Kiss 19" WS for sale anywhere? 17" is just too small.
Post back here when you get it and let me know what you think of it as I would be interested.
Will do, not sure what the delivery times are with digiuk, but I'd hope it will arrive in the next couple of days...
Ok,the philips is back in stock on the PC World (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/pan/TrackerServlet?p=1078&a=60823&g=19560) site so Im tempted by this with the £40 off voucher as well.Where I was going to get the Tosh from is out of stock as I rang them today.They are saying 2 weeks before they get them back in stock.I could go elsewhere but they are offering £70 for an extra 2 years warranty where as everywhere else is asking for £150 for an extra 2 years warranty.Do I need the extra warranty-What Im thinking is that the warranty is only £70 which is alot cheaper than paying for a repair if it goes wrong but it then pushes the price upto just under £500 where as the Sharp is £329 with 3 yr on site warranty and the Philips £360 with 3 yr warranty.
I'd like to know more about the philips but cant find anything about it like reviews or find it listed anywhere on all of philips websites.I'd like to know full connections list,does it do PIP and just abit more than it says on the pc world website.These details are what I took of another website for anyone that is interested.
17-inch Wide WXGA LCD monitor TV with excellent display performance
HDTV setup box and progressive DVD input (1080i/ 720p/ 576p/ 480p)
Multiple video inputs for display of PC, TV, DVD and VCD signals
Screen mode adjustment for best movie/DVD viewing ratio
Digital Nicam/ 2CS stereo
AUTO adjustment optimizes picture quality
Standard VGA analog input
SPECIFICATIONS
Screen Size: 17 ins
Viewable screen size: 17 ins
Pixel Pitch: 0.288 mm
Brightness: 450 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 600:1
Horizontal Frequency: 60 KHz
Screen technology: TFT Active Matrix
Vertical Frequency: 75 Hz
Response time: 25 ms
Anti-Glare / Anti-Static: Anti-glare polarizer, hard coated
Speakers: 2 x Right/Left Channel
VGA In: 1 x 15-pin D-sub
S-Video in: 1 x Mini DIN
Audio Line In Ports: 1 x 3.5mm Mini-Jack Stereo Socket
Audio Line Out Ports: 1 x 3.5mm Mini-Jack Stereo Socket
Maximum Power Rating: 55 W
Certifications: FCC Class B certified, CE, MPR II, CSA, UL, TUV GS, NUTEK, SEMKO, TCO99, TUV Ergo.
In The Box: LCD TV Stand.
Damn, probably would have gone for the Philips, but assumed PC World wouldn't get their act together.....fingers crossed the Sharp is ok, it was the only one out of the 3 (Kiss, Sharp and Philips) that got the missus's thumbs up for aesthetics ;)
Q
that philips looks a monster spec, 600:1 and 450cdm's thingies...that's good init ? :)
Would like to see one of these babies in action...
Stop it, you're gonna make me cry :(
mostlyharmless
29-09-2004, 08:50
Thia Philips does look good ... but I'm confused about it's connectors. Would I have to plug in my DVD player using S-video ? Does prog scan work over s-video ?
Found it at last on the Philips site ..
http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=170T4FS/05&scy=GB&slg=ENG&tmplt=&SearchTxt=170T4FS&grp=&cat=&sct=
although I can't access the pdf's through my company firewall :brickwall
Thia Philips does look good ... but I'm confused about it's connectors. Would I have to plug in my DVD player using S-video ? Does prog scan work over s-video ?
Found it at last on the Philips site ..
http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=170T4FS/05&scy=GB&slg=ENG&tmplt=&SearchTxt=170T4FS&grp=&cat=&sct=
although I can't access the pdf's through my company firewall :brickwall
The connectors according to the product spec PDF are:-
BACK
D-sub in (for PC VGA or HD Y, Pb, Pr)
TV in (antenna/cable)
S-Video in
CVBS Video in
AV Audio L/R in
PC Audio in
16 Volt DC in
Stereo line out Jack 3.5mm for external speaker
SIDE
Headphone Jack 3.5mm out
I am very sorry to inform you that the following item(s) LL-171ME White on your order is out of stock.
The items are on order with our supplier and we have been told that it will arrive with us within 2 to 3 days.
Dilemma now.....the Sharp is out of stock at digiuk, should I cancel and order the Philips or wait for it to come back in? Is the Philips worth the extra 50 quid (30 quid plus 20 quid delivery)??
EDIT: Just thought, is the cost of delivery at PCW before or after using the dvdforums discount voucher, cos if it is after, then it is only £9.99 delivery....?
EDIT2: Just added it to a basket and the delivery is £4.99?? The £19.99 figure must be a maximum I guess... Definitely tempted by the Philips now, is the TV Tuner definitely included, as in the manual it says it is optional....
I also have ordered the Sharp and now wondering about the Philips.
For the Philips it looks like you have to add something to the order to take it over £400 to get the discount - cheapest thing I could find was some CD cases at £3.99.
Delivery comes in at £9.99 so total is £373.97.
Sharp is £329 delivered so only £45 more. :thinking:
I added some cable ties for £3.99 also, which also sticks another fiver on delivery......
Hmmmmm, decisions decisions.....
mostlyharmless
29-09-2004, 11:15
Has anyone actually seen the Philips showing a TV or DVD picture ? Do they have these in-store, hooked up to a video source ? I'm a bit reluctant to buy without any info on picture quality ...
Someone further up the post said that they have seen the Philips and it offers the best picture....
p00hbear
29-09-2004, 12:14
Kiss Coolview 17" LCD TV @ pcworld online for £299. Add the £25 off £250 voucher (dvdforum voucher) and that comes to £279 inc delivery (well at least mine was anyway). Bargain as this was rrp £399 and more at savastore etc.
Kiss Coolview 17" LCD TV @ pcworld online for £299. Add the £25 off £250 voucher (dvdforum voucher) and that comes to £279 inc delivery (well at least mine was anyway). Bargain as this was rrp £399 and more at savastore etc.
Is it any good though? On paper, much lower spec than the Sharp or Philips... Any chances of some pics of it in action? :n0rty:
I'm most upset now, I've found that digiuk have charged my Egg card for the TFT on monday, which has made it onto my September statement, yet they cannot supply for a few days, so I will end up paying for it this month and have to wait a month for the refund as I am now cancelling it, not happy :(
Definitely tempted by the Philips now, is the TV Tuner definitely included, as in the manual it says it is optional....
Bit skeptical on this myself - checking it out in PCWorld in a couple of hours - I've bagged me a Sharp at the moment as well and if I can confirm that the Tuner is definitely included may well be making the jump as well.
RIGHT, seeing as I've already been charged for the Sharp, I've phoned them up and decided not to cancel the order, seeing as I'll be paying for it this month anyway, bit of a farce to be honest, they didn't really seem that clued up either....ho hum
mostlyharmless
29-09-2004, 13:34
I was thinking of looking in at PC world this evening as well, the only problem is, I'll be tempted to buy it there and then rather than wait for the discount !
I was thinking of looking in at PC world this evening as well, the only problem is, I'll be tempted to buy it there and then rather than wait for the discount !
Print out the voucher and try bargaining with them, doubt it will wash, but worth a go :D
p00hbear
29-09-2004, 15:05
Instore is £349 and not £299. Dont think they will match web prices and further more will not take vouchers. But you can try anyway.
The Kiss has, Picture-in-picture, scart, s-video, analogue tv tuner, 1280x768 (although some web sites say 1152x768) analgoue PC input, scan.co.uk mention a response time of 16ms. I doubt if the response time is correct as Kiss cannot confirm when I emailed them.
1280x768 (although some web sites say 1152x768) analgoue PC input
That's what put me off the Kiss, does it run ok at 1280x768 from a PC?
Instore is £349 and not £299. Dont think they will match web prices and further more will not take vouchers. But you can try anyway.
The Kiss has, Picture-in-picture, scart, s-video, analogue tv tuner, 1280x768 (although some web sites say 1152x768) analgoue PC input, scan.co.uk mention a response time of 16ms. I doubt if the response time is correct as Kiss cannot confirm when I emailed them.
Are you sure about the scart? I think it only has the 2 inputs vga & s-video/composite
The Kiss doesn't have SCART- no mention of it in the manual and I've physically inspected one. That means the best you can get is S-video, unless you have a rare DVD player that can output VGA.
Right,I considered the Philips but it has no scart socket and as Im buying this to replace my main TV a 7 year old Sony 16WS1 16" Widescreen ctv then a scart is a neccessity to me.The philips spec is impressive and it says HDTV ready but how is this possible without component.The Philips only has SVHS,Composite and VGA.
Still considering the Sharp(3yr onsite warranty) is a bonus but im still looking at the Tosh as the no.1.If it was in stock then I would have bought it.
There was a time when I was going to order the Philips but no scart is not good for me.Looked at the Dell W1700 as well and has load of connections but there is better on the market I think.The Hitachi 17" at £479 looks good as well as it has component inputs as well as everything else.
For me (well today anyway :D ) Im still leaning towards the Tosh
Have you actually seen the Philips now then Q? I'm sure the spec posted above mentions component doesnt it?
Have you actually seen the Philips now then Q? I'm sure the spec posted above mentions component doesnt it?
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/1/170t4fs_05/170t4fs_05_dfu_eng.pdf
This link is for the PDF for the op's manual for the philips and it says on Video inputs-D-sub(VGA),S-vhs,RF-TV and composite.So no scart and no componet.Dont get me wrong Im not to bothered about component,Im more bothered about a scart but the philips manual lists a load of info about HD frquencies and that but how would you connect a HD box to this tv.Do these mean the TV is HDTV enabled and ready to go if and when it gets broadcast.It has a nicam tuner so is designed to be used in the UK.
Any ideas people?
edit:forgot to include link
I think the philips has component through the vga port. The manual shows it comes with a vga to component adaptor lead.
Scott C R
29-09-2004, 21:50
Right,I considered the Philips but it has no scart socket and as Im buying this to replace my main TV a 7 year old Sony 16WS1 16" Widescreen ctv then a scart is a neccessity to me.The philips spec is impressive and it says HDTV ready but how is this possible without component.The Philips only has SVHS,Composite and VGA.
Quite simply really it comes with a component to VGA cable if you look at the Philips PDF manual that is how you connect for component input for DVD/AV Reciever etc.
There is two of these cables that I talking about on this page (near the end)
http://www.beststuff.co.uk/specialist_rgb_leads.htm
Q, couldn't you just use a SVHS to Scart lead? I use that but the other way around from my Sony DAVS888 to my TV as the Sony only has a SVHS connector.....
Q, couldn't you just use a SVHS to Scart lead? I use that but the other way around from my Sony DAVS888 to my TV as the Sony only has a SVHS connector.....
Yeah I could do but I was wanting to connect the mini pc up through Svhs on the TV which I could get around by connecting it up to the VGA.It is still in the running.Now Ive downloaded the manual for the philips I'll have a look at it today and then see.
If the philips can do this through the VGA then what is stopping the others(Tosh,Sharp) from doing this as they are all the same resolution (1268 x 768) so there isnt any reason why they can all do the HD through VGA?
Im off on Friday so I'll pop up to my local pc world and see if they have one on display I can look at.
If the philips can do this through the VGA then what is stopping the others(Tosh,Sharp) from doing this as they are all the same resolution (1268 x 768) so there isnt any reason why they can all do the HD through VGA?
I was thinking that too....don't know enough about HDTV to comment, maybe someone can enlighten us? :shrug:
I bought the Philips last night from PCW TCR, just in case anyone was waiting for confirmation the TV module does come in the box. The machine on display didn't have the TV module plugged in so I had to get staff to confirm that it did come with it. Had to buy a SCART to S-Video lead from Maplin so that I could connect up my Freeview box but the picture is wicked.
Expecting delivery of the Sharp from DigiUK before this weekend as well - didn't have the heart to cancel it and I'm sure I'll make use of it in the Kitchen... :n0rty:
I bought the Philips last night from PCW TCR
Did you manage to negoiate any discount?
Mind you it only £25 cheaper online with the voucher by the time you add delivery and something else to take it over £400 :thinking:
Did you manage to negoiate any discount?
Didn't bother trying, on the basis that they've never price-matched their website in the past.
The only joy I've ever got out of PCW TCR is price-matching somewhere further down the road.
I bought the Philips last night from PCW TCR, just in case anyone was waiting for confirmation the TV module does come in the box. The machine on display didn't have the TV module plugged in so I had to get staff to confirm that it did come with it. Had to buy a SCART to S-Video lead from Maplin so that I could connect up my Freeview box but the picture is wicked.
Expecting delivery of the Sharp from DigiUK before this weekend as well - didn't have the heart to cancel it and I'm sure I'll make use of it in the Kitchen... :n0rty:
Hope you can do a comparison report for the sharp and the philips...I'm deffo still in the market for one of these 17" LCD tv's :thumbs:
Hope you can do a comparison report for the sharp and the philips...I'm deffo still in the market for one of these 17" LCD tv's :thumbs:
That would be nice, do me a favour though and don't say the Philips is too much better than the Sharp else you may have me in tears :cry:
With the philips on the website by the time you have something to take you over £400 then the postage goes up by £10.Say £405+20-40=£385 where as using the £25 voucher 400-25+10=£385 so the £25 voucher works out the same.I was considering the philips and although the picture is spot on I just think I'll be better off with something that is designed as a tv as much as a pc monitor where as I tend to look at the philips more as a pc monitor and then 2nd as a tv.I'll go around to pc world and take a look though tomorrow.
Im still looking at the Tosh and still considering the sharp so would be interested in anyone views that has bought the sharp.
The plot thickens.....been into PC World in Leicester today, they had the Philips 170T and a price under it at £269.99, but no mention of TV Tuner or anything, so can only assume it had the wrong price on it......
Saw the Kiss too and have to say the picture was fine, if I hadn't already ordered the Sharp (which hasn't turned up yet incidentally) I would have gone for that, looks a stonking bargain with the discount voucher.....
The Sharp arrived today, it is awesome.....very happy with it indeed....will post up some pics if people are interested....
Gavin
The Sharp arrived today, it is awesome.....very happy with it indeed....will post up some pics if people are interested....
yes very interested in some pictures
and as you have seen all three of them do you think it is worth the money
:clap: :clap:
p.s what was the free gift
OK here goes :-
First of all I plonked it in the computer room to test it from a PC, here it is playing a HD WMV clip from the MS media player site, looks very tasty :D
http://www.aqzw47.dsl.pipex.com/flight.jpg
Here's one testing the PIP function, with DVDF in the backgroud ;)
http://www.aqzw47.dsl.pipex.com/pip.jpg
Moved it to its proper place in the bedroom, as you can see, matches the bedside cabinets perfectly, the missus will be happy :lol: :notworthy
http://www.aqzw47.dsl.pipex.com/bedroom.jpg
Here's the sides showing the connections, on one side it has power input and analog vga input and on the other it has RGB scart, composite video and sound, S-Video and the aerial input
http://www.aqzw47.dsl.pipex.com/side1.jpg
http://www.aqzw47.dsl.pipex.com/side2.jpg
Hard to say if the picture quality is better on the others as I only saw them in PCW. I'm guessing the Philips would probably edge it, but as to whether it's worth the extra 50, I'm not sure.
For me the Sharp was worth it, as it matches the bedroom furniture, looks better than the other two imho, there was no dead pixels :clap: and the picture quality is very good. My only complaint so far is that it has like a plastic screen over the real screen which is attracting dust like a magnet - gonna have to get one of them microfibre cloths posted the other day! Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and glad I didn't cancel it....
PS the free gift was a ye olde 256kb Sharp data organiser with PC link, doubt it's worth 30 quid and certainly not going to replace my ipaq :D
The Sharp arrived today, it is awesome.....very happy with it indeed....will post up some pics if people are interested....
Definately.Ive been to PC world among places today and saw the Philips on display.It was priced up at £449.99 and not plugged in so couldnt judge on picture quality.Looks excellent styling wise and looks far better than in the pictures on the website.Had a look around the back but couldnt see any of the connections.Looked nice but strange that my local pcw was wanting £449.99 for it.I also saw the Kiss one on display,this was working and looked nice as well.Worth a consideration depending on what price you get it at.
I then went to Kingston and went in John Lewis to have a look at the LCD Tv's.Saw the Tosh 17LTD46 TV with inbuilt digital tuner and the picture looked excellent close up as well as from a distance.So the picture should be as good on the normal 17LT46 tv.I then went around to Richer Sounds to see what they had in.The Relsysis(sp)1720 looked quite good as well(its been out a while now) but still looked good and a nice design.I also saw the Hitachi 22"LCD TV and the picture was excellent.They had Toy Story 2 running on it from a dvd player and the detail was spot on.
The only one I havent seen working is the Sharp but Im seriously considering it as the price is right and it does everything for me and the 3 yr onsite warranty is a big bonus as well.
Would be interested in a report and some piccy's please.
Interesting that the Tosh looks good up close, maybe to do with the digital tuner? The Sharp doesn't look excellent when running from TV with the picture stretched to widescreen and right up next to it.... I need to get a DVD player plugged into it and see what it can really do....
Hard to say if the picture quality is better on the others as I only saw them in PCW. I'm guessing the Philips would probably edge it, but as to whether it's worth the extra 50, I'm not sure.
For me the Sharp was worth it, as it matches the bedroom furniture, looks better than the other two imho, there was no dead pixels :clap: and the picture quality is very good. My only complaint so far is that it has like a plastic screen over the real screen which is attracting dust like a magnet - gonna have to get one of them microfibre cloths posted the other day! Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and glad I didn't cancel it....
Cheers for the pictures,it looks excellent.Im very tempted to go for one.The plastic screen is to protect the LCD from knocks when transporting it around and from youn g childrens fingers :D so nice to know that sharp has thought of this.
Ok now Im back to square 1,do I go for the Tosh with either 1 yr warranty at £428 or 3yr warranty at £498 or the Sharp with 3 yr warranty included for £329.
Interesting that the Tosh looks good up close, maybe to do with the digital tuner? The Sharp doesn't look excellent when running from TV with the picture stretched to widescreen and right up next to it.... I need to get a DVD player plugged into it and see what it can really do....
You say the picture is stretched?Is it a 4:3 picture stretched to 16:9 or does the tv picture cover the whole of the screen like on any normal widescreen and if the tv prog is in widescreen then either there is bars at the top and bottom or it fills the screen.My sony at the moment auto switches to Zoom 2 on some CH4 progs when they broadcast the aspect ratio signal.When on adverts it will drop into Zoom 1 and when the prog starts again it auto changes to Zoom 2 mode.
I did thing that the reason the tosh looks good from close up was because it had a didital tuner as well but someone on here already has said the Tosh has an excellent picture.
Generally I would be sitting about 6-8FT away from the tv anyway so wouldnt be sitting too close.Whats the picture quality like on TV on a good aerial.If its not too great then as this would be my main TV then I'd have to check the Tosh out some more.I also saw the Philips 23PF9946 in John Lewis and it looked excellent but at £1300 I dont think so :D
edit:forgot to add that with this screens been HD effectively then they are more likely to pick up defects in the picture than a CRT would do and could be the reason why the picture doesnt look too good close up.
All that was on this afternoon was 14:9 broadcasts, so it is slightly zoomed rather than fully zoomed. They don't seem to broadcast proper 16:9 on analog anymore.... There certainly wasn't any auto switching going on either, though it's easy as there's a button for it on the remote, no need to go fiddling through menu's etc like I've seen on some TV's.... I'm not too worried about the analog TV bit as I'm going to be building a HTPC shuttle to go in there with digi tv card, dvd player, divx etc, so the analog tv will only be for when the shuttle is off. If it is for your main TV then you might want to think again on the Tosh if it has built in digital tuner....
[QUOTE=Gavin]All that was on this afternoon was 14:9 broadcasts, so it is slightly zoomed rather than fully zoomed. They don't seem to broadcast proper 16:9 on analog anymore.... QUOTE]
The BBC never broadcast in 16:9 only 14:9 :thinking:
Thanks for the pictures Gavin looks cool and thanks for putting it next to your Samsung monitor got a good idea of the size now
If i get one it will be used mainly as a monitor but I just fancy that picture in picture that on it
Would be nice to watch TV and serf the net dont think the kiss one does picture in picture that why I am leaning to the sharp
is the sharp good enough as a PC monitor for games?
is the sharp good enough as a PC monitor for games?
I'd say probably not, 25ms is not really quick enough and the widescreen resolution of 1280x768 is unlikely to be offered by most games, so you'd end up having to stretch the picture or wasting some of the screen...
cheers, worth a thought :(
All that was on this afternoon was 14:9 broadcasts, so it is slightly zoomed rather than fully zoomed. They don't seem to broadcast proper 16:9 on analog anymore.... There certainly wasn't any auto switching going on either, though it's easy as there's a button for it on the remote, no need to go fiddling through menu's etc like I've seen on some TV's.... I'm not too worried about the analog TV bit as I'm going to be building a HTPC shuttle to go in there with digi tv card, dvd player, divx etc, so the analog tv will only be for when the shuttle is off. If it is for your main TV then you might want to think again on the Tosh if it has built in digital tuner....
Alot of stuff isnt broadcast in widescreen unless you are on digital.However the picture always fills the screen on my Sony.It has 3 Zoom modes.Zoom 1 & 3 are for 1.78.1 & 1.85.1 and Zoom 2 is for 2.35.1 and thats how I use it for playing dvds.On Normal tv I have it set to Zoom 1.Although the programme may not be in widescreen then the tube is a widescreen tube so Im seeing it in widescreen if you know what I mean :D and thats what I was meaning about whether the picture covered the whole of the screen.
I'll give it more thought over the weekend and see what I decide.
LG RZ20LA70 (20" LCD TV)
Does anyone know if this is decent, its a 20 incher and i may be able to get hold of one for £300 delivered (will find out tomorrow). If i do i will let you know how ;)
Display format 4:3 screen
Diagonal 20" (51 cm)
Pixel format:640x480
Pixel size 0,637 x 0,637 mm
Brightness 500 cd/m2
Contrast 500:1
Sound output 2x5 W
The price would include a 5 year warranty
Sounds good to me??
Avoid the LG. As with most 20" LCD TVs, the resolution is only 640x480, which is below PAL's 720x576 so you will not get the full detail in the picture.
humm :thinking: I think if i can i will get one and then have a look, i may even be able to get it for £270 which with a 5 year waranty seems a bargain to me ??
humm :thinking: I think if i can i will get one and then have a look, i may even be able to get it for £270 which with a 5 year waranty seems a bargain to me ??
Might be a bargain but it depends what you want.Myself personally I wouldnt buy one that isnt widescreen but Im looking at it as a TV and then monitor 2nd.Also the 20" only have resolutions of 640x480 which mean they are useless as monitors and the detail of the Tv picture would be well below what you would get on a 17". Check the avforums.com for more on 20" LCD's but if it was me I'd stay away.
humm :thinking: I think if i can i will get one and then have a look, i may even be able to get it for £270 which with a 5 year waranty seems a bargain to me ??
Pray tell!
The Sharp was reviewed in the Oct 2004 issue of what Video and Widescreen TV and got 4/5.The only thing they could say could be better was the picture had smearing at times but the detail,contrast and resolution was excellent.As with all small Tv's they said that the audio was a bit tinny and lacked bass which is the same with most small tv's.
It was reviewed at a price of £590 and was highly recommended and would have got a best Buy at £590 had it not been for the picture smearing.At half price then this looks even more of a bargain.
Im still tempted at the Hitachi 22LD400 which is just £609.96+del at the mo.
Gone for the Kiss at PC World (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/pan/TrackerServlet?p=1078&a=60823&g=19560) (on line) it's back in stock at £278.99, not bad for the money!(I hope)!
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The Sharp was reviewed in the Oct 2004 issue of what Video and Widescreen TV and got 4/5.The only thing they could say could be better was the picture had smearing at times but the detail,contrast and resolution was excellent.As with all small Tv's they said that the audio was a bit tinny and lacked bass which is the same with most small tv's.
Yep, I'd agree with that assesement, there's definitely some smearing with the Sharp, certainly when using the built in tuner, not really had chance to try PC/DVD yet...... Still, happy with it for the money :thumbs:
I'd say probably not, 25ms is not really quick enough
Utter ill-formed rubbish.
My 17" NEC LCD1700V, two and a half years old now, has 25ms response time and is absolutely perfect for gaming. The human eye cannot even perceive any problems below 40ms response time (see your interlaced 25-full-updates-per-second TV).
Utter ill-formed rubbish.
See above comments, if I can see smearing on TV pictures, I'm pretty sure games would be similar..... and the Sharp is 25ms according to the spec... :razz:
Part of the problem is that 25ms (or any other quoted response time) is the black-to-white transition time. The grey-to-grey transition time could be anything and can be different even when comparing two 25ms panels. It is also possible that some people are affected by it more than others, like refresh rates for computer CRT monitors.
Is the Toshiba 17WL46B a good one :thinking:
A slim and stylish Toshiba LCD television with an integrated digital tuner allowing access to up to 30 free-to-view digital terrestrial channels. It has a high WXGA 1280 x 768 resolution for a crystal clear picture while the digital comb filter maintains the precision. Includes a matching table top stand.
Brand: Toshiba
Dimensions: H36.5 x W44.5 x D17.5cm
Input/Output: 2 SCART, Composite Video, S-video, 2 RGB (via SCART), PC compatible, Headphone, Fixed audio output
Remote Control: Included
Screen Type: LCD
TVLA: Analogue Colour Set
Visible Screen Size (Measured Diagonally): 43cm
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kiran_mk2
06-10-2004, 00:29
In theory, 25ms = 0.025 seconds = 40fps. Surely an LCD screen would be progressive scan (definately not interlaced) and therefore only display 25fps for PAL.
In theory, 25ms = 0.025 seconds = 40fps. Surely an LCD screen would be progressive scan (definately not interlaced) and therefore only display 25fps for PAL.
Thats what I was thinking as the Tosh mentioned above on the Tosh sites states that it is progressive scan but I cant find it mentioned anywhere else in the manual or on other sites.Having had little LCD screens and currently got a 7" widescreen as well then the picture always looks clearer than a CRT but this is because of the LCD I would think.The TV's that are promoted as HDTV ready then must be prog scan as a tv requires this to be HDTV ready(or am I talking rubbish,as I dont know enough about it) and if this is right then shouldnt all Prog scan be HDTV ready it is just that the ones that have component are easier to connect.
Does this also mean that the TV's without component cant be HDTV ready as the Tosh doesnt have component but the Hitachi 17" does.
Mrme-Ive been looking at the Tosh as well and stiuck between the Sharp and Tosh because of the £100 price difference.Now if the Tosh was available for £350 then I might go for the Tosh as the Tosh is supposed to have a better picture but also received 4/5 in September 2004 edition of What Video & Widescreen Tv.
Still cant decide which one though?
Well i am either going to buy the philips 170T4FS
from PC World (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/pan/TrackerServlet?p=1078&a=60823&g=19560) for REMOVED from LX Direct (http://www.qksrv.net/click-582776-5062553) for £350 or the sharp LL-171ME from digiuk.com for £329 Anyone have any ideas o which is the best for the money, I'm going towards the toshiba :thinking:
(have no idea what i have done here with the direct links, i tried :doh: )
Fixed, thanks for trying
Have you tried looking into LX Direct (http://www.qksrv.net/click-582776-5062553) mentioned above Q for the Tosh? REMOVED
Had a look today and they have it for £499 I think so god knows how he is getting it for £350.Mrme said he had a promotion code but the normal price is £499 on lx direct. REMOVED
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By using 2 promotional codes however i have been told they will only accept one so that will make the price 375 delivered which i guess is still good. I would love to give you the codes but will have to try and find the t&c's :wave:
What he said above but it was a £25 voucher not a £15 ;)
Cheers,I'll have a look in the morning.Might finally decide on getting one.
Does anyone remember that this thread started out for the Akai ?
I have one and am really impressed with this set, all the inputs bat DVI (inc prog scan & PIP) and a good picture to boot (inc multi europe tv tuner) for 399 on the high street. This was an 800 pound piece of kit a year ago under the goodmans name!
Good Point - it would seem that the thread has been hijacked.
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clearing all my cookies
clearing my browser cache
clicked the forum link above to LX
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Looking forward to my Hot Deal :n0rty:
Is the Toshiba 17WL46B a good one :thinking:
A slim and stylish Toshiba LCD television with an integrated digital tuner allowing access to up to 30 free-to-view digital terrestrial channels.
Just ordered however I can't find confirmation of the above built in digital tuner. Where did the information come from?
Just ordered however I can't find confirmation of the above built in digital tuner. Where did the information come from?
The digital TV one is the 17WLT46 I think and the 17WL46 which has been mentioned on here alot is the normal analogue one.
As for the Akai from comet wasnt it?,I had a look on the comet site when this 1st started and couldnt find it so couldnt see what it was like.
Quite a few people have earnt themselves black marks here, for requesting emails, offering to email information, etc. The DVD Forums was nearly closed down by legal action from Littlewoods after people freely spread codes, yet here you all are two years later doing the same again. :oh-hum:
Sorry, however I did try to ensure that I did not ask for any codes. Just wanted to know if the information was in the public domain on the internet.
I understand the problem hence I have not posted any details as I can't find the T&C's as the voucher was not sent directly to me. (I searched the internet legitimately and found the answer myself).
I assume my action above with using the DVD forums link to earn the site a referral commission was okay.
I do apologise for any infringement of the rules.
(PS Just to make it clear I have not sent any emails nor requested any emails regarding information for the above !)
I understand that, and not everybody will earn black book marks - however there were a few people who essentially said "I'm not asking anybody to send me the emails ;) ;) - just tell us what you can within the rules. ;) ;)"
If this goes on and we see repeat offenders, will happily issue permanent bans. As I said it was problems with Littlewoods last time round that nearly saw the end of The DVD Forums - they take a dim view of people defrauding them, and as set down in our T&C's we will help them in any way possible in any investigations they conduct.
mods please delete if inappropriate, my intention is not to break any rules or bring heat on the forums
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anyone using a code should check that they doing so within terms and conditions, people who abuse the system, multiple accounts etc, will only show whichever forum in a bad light
just my two pence worth
af
While I appreciate your sentiments, we can neither post the vouchers or link or provide information as to their whereabouts!
The Bargain Forum Rules are very simple. If you do not know the terms and conditions, do not post the voucher.
While I appreciate your sentiments, we can neither post the vouchers or link or provide information as to their whereabouts!
The Bargain Forum Rules are very simple. If you do not know the terms and conditions, do not post the voucher.
noted !!!!!!!!!
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Well Im still undecided :( as to which one to go for.The Tosh has a good Picture and is a bargain for £350 but this price isnt available to joe public who turns up at there site.The Sharp is a bargain but just not as good on Tv but the PC side seems spot on.Im also interested in the Hitachi,Im never been an Hitachi fan but both the 17" and 22" look good and I have seen the 22" running in Richer sounds and found it to be very good quality(was playing Toy Story 2 on dvd).The 22" can be had for £609+£20 delivery last time I looked on the net with no coupons required :D which is a bigger screen for not much more.
Maybe I'll wait a few weeks and see what happens with the prices then or maybe I'll have changed my mind again tomorrow and not know which one to get. :D
I was just about to ask those who'd looked into LCDs to recommend something larger than a 17" with a good spec and usable as a PC monitor if needs be but it sounds as if you think the Hitachi 22 is the way to go? Any others worth considering in the sub-£1000 band?
I was just about to ask those who'd looked into LCDs to recommend something larger than a 17" with a good spec and usable as a PC monitor if needs be but it sounds as if you think the Hitachi 22 is the way to go? Any others worth considering in the sub-£1000 band?
Dont know alot about the Hitachi but going to have a look around and find more about it.I saw it running in Richer sounds and the picture looked fine but will have alook around for reviews 1st.The Tosh 23" version also looks quite good as well and the Philips 46 series but the philips are more expensive than most.With the Hitachi at £609 then I just think for £200 more than a tosh 17" you can have 22" which is probaly worthwhile in my book.
Having looked into the 17" Widescreen Hitachi then it was another contender as the Hitachi LD4200 looked nice in terms of design and can be had for £458 incl delivery.Call me fusy but if Im buying a Stereo Tv then I like to have the speakers on the side of the TV and not on the front like with most 17"/22" TV's these days so thats why I liked the design of the Hitachi 17" as the speakers are like on the relsysis(sp) RLT1720.Having looked at the instructions for the Hitachi it has PIP(Picture in Picture) but from what I can see it doesnt have the flexibility of the Tosh with regards to what it can display PIP but the Hitachi does have Componet so is HDTV ready.
So Im back to Square 1 really as I like the look of the Hitachi but want the flexibility of the Tosh with the price of the Sharp.I'll keep looking but Im thinking of waiting a while as I cant decide which one to get.
The Cheapest Ive found the Tosh is £425 at the moment.
Q
I have the Relisys (Hitachi) and the Toshiba. There is no comparison regarding picture quality. The Toshiba is streets ahead and the sound is much better also. These 2 TV's are not in the same ball park.
The Relisys was designed as a computer monitor and is fitted with a TV adaptor the Toshiba was designed as a TV and happens to have a PC input.
Q
I have the Relisys (Hitachi) and the Toshiba. There is no comparison regarding picture quality. The Toshiba is streets ahead and the sound is much better also. These 2 TV's are not in the same ball park.
The Relisys was designed as a computer monitor and is fitted with a TV adaptor the Toshiba was designed as a TV and happens to have a PC input.
Cheers for that,It seems its the Tosh for me as it has the best picture from quite a few reports.Is the Relisysis and Hitachi the same as you have bracketted them as they look very similar and both report a 16ms screen.I must admit the Hitachi and Relisysis look good but the Tosh is the next best looking I think.As Im looking for a TV 1st and pc monitor 2nd then Ive been thinking the tosh is the one for me as that is as they have designed it.
Cheers for the help,I'll try not to look into it too more as I'll end up changing my mind again :D but picture quality is important so its the Tosh for me.
Now do I risk just a 1 yr warranty or 3 yr for £70-Opinions? :D
do you have a url for the Tohiba (& model #) as I can't see that on Richer's site.
Videoseven LCD 17inch Television & Monitor
Specifications
Panel Size 17" LCD Panel (431.8 mm)
Panel Specification Hydis Panel
Pixel Pitch (HxV) 0.264 x 0.264 mm
Colors 16.777 Mio.
Contrast Ratio typ. 450:1
Brightness typ. 275 cd/m²
Response Time 20 ms
Viewing Angle horiz./vert. 160°/130°
Recommended Resolution SXGA 1280 x 1024
Systems PAL/SECAM-B/G, D/K, I, Multiband Tuner
Power Consumption max. On 50 Watt
Suspend 5 Watt
Standby 5 Watt
Off 5 Watt
Cable Tuner (Hyperband) NICAM Stereo / A2 FS 181 Program Auto/Manual
Programming Digital 4H Comb Filter
Stereo, Equalizer
Videotext
Speaker 2x 3 Watt, AVL (Auto Volume Leveller)
Plug & Play DDC2B
Video Input 15 pin D-Sub, VGA
Input Scart, S-Video, DVD via Scart, DTV, PC Audio
Output H/P
Features HDTV via Scart
Remote Control
Safety Standards CE, TάV/GS
Accessories
Manual, Power Cable, AC/DC Adapter, Signal Cable
Dimensions 445 x 420 x 85 mm
Weight net/gross 4,8 kg / 6,35 kg
Warranty 2 years Pick-Up Service
It says can output HDTV via Scart so if its possible on this then no reason why not possible on other models of Tv as well.Just looked on Ebuyer and they have 3 different RLT1720's RLT1720BS-T(Black & Silver),RLT1720S-T(Silver) and the RLT1720SB which is described as WXGA and is around £40 dearer and cant see any difference in the specs.The other 2 I know are just Silver and Silver,Black but anyone know the difference and Relisys only show 1-RLT1720 on there site.Anyone know the difference?Dont worry Jeff still thinking of going for the Tosh :D
Do the Relisys have Scart connectors or not?
do you have a url for the Tohiba (& model #) as I can't see that on Richer's site.
Richer Sounds dont have the Tosh's at the moment but they can be found for £425 on kelkoo.co.uk model no:17WL46 www.RGBdirect.co.uk is one such place.
ahhh... thought you were referring to a 22" 17" isn't really useful to me. Thanks
Do the Relisys have Scart connectors or not?
No
ahhh... thought you were referring to a 22" 17" isn't really useful to me. Thanks
Richer sounds are doing the Hitachi 22" and also the Sharp 22V2 22"LCD but make sure you look around as both can be had cheaper so pricebeat them.
No
Cheers,Its the Tosh then.Decision made :thumbs:
See above comments, if I can see smearing on TV pictures, I'm pretty sure games would be similar..... and the Sharp is 25ms according to the spec... :razz:
In that case the smearing you see is a result of a poor TV tuner and NOT the LCD.
derthballs
09-10-2004, 18:27
if you see smearing, check you havent got noise reduction on, as that can cause smearing, it does on my sagem rear projection LCD TV.
Tosh seems the best..whats the refresh on it?
I received a Tosh 17WL46B yesterday and hooked it up late last night.
The TV signal in the bedroom is poor so I have been unable to realy test the analogue TV quality (note the above model does not have a Digital tuner as reported earlier in this thread).
Picture quality from DVD is impresive, although I don't have any other LCD to compare it against. I will try and get round to hooking it up to the PC at some point.
If anyone has any questions I will try and answer the best I can.
What price did you pay?? (if you don't mind me asking - am getting one but trying to get the cheapest price) ;)
I was fortunate enough to get the unit for £375. Which I believe is the cheapest price available (although by now someone may have found a cheaper price, the internet is always changing ;) ).
Although if I could have found the 17WLD46B for a similar price I would gone for it(built in DVD).
The cheapest price I could find is £424 available to Joe Public by just turning up at there website,No extras needed.After searching the net I couldnt find anything that would make it cheaper from other retailers so www.rgbdirect.co.uk is the cheapest that was also showing in stock with a good rating on kelkoo.
edit:probaly wait to beginning of Novemeber now as Ive got a few things on upto the end of the month and can put it on next month's visa and hopefully who knows the price might drop a bit more :)
Thought I would add that there a quite few threads on the www.avforums.com in the LCD Forum about 17" and 23/26" Tv's if people want abit more help deciding.The Tosh 17" keeps getting good reports from all that have used it for anyone that is thinking about it.There is also a few threads on using component to VGA leads for people without Tv's with components built in.
Also for anyone that didnt get the Philips from PC World then the IIlyama Prolite 171WT is virtually the same from what I can see.Just thought I'd introduce this one into the equation as well :D
Those choosing to wait a little longer it may be worth looking at the new samsung 17" LCD. As its produced in Hungary it avoids the import TAXES and should ensure that it is available at a good price.
managed to get a quick look at the Sony range of LCDs yesterday and I think it'll have to be a 26" all the others seemed much too small viewed from an armchair.
So anyone know of useful sites for reviews of LCDs and have a recommendation for make/model for a 26"?
thanks have posted there too
Another 17" widescreen LCD TV - £329...
Sharp LL-171ME @ Digi UK (http://www.digiuk.com/productdetail.asp?id=2094)
This is now £399 plus vat so total is £468.83, good job i had decided on the tosh :wave:
This is now £399 plus vat so total is £468.83, good job i had decided on the tosh :wave:
Me too and makes the Tosh the best value for money now.If anyone was still interested in the Sharp then Ebuyer had it in stock for around £383.
The Sharp LL-171MEis available at Microdirect for £352.49 + Del
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productinfo.aspx?productID=7196
Got my 'kiss' last night, very excited and it looks good one problem it doesn't work!
I think its the power pack that connects it to the mains the little light is not alight!
Might try my local store if they can help...Poo
Savastore ... AOC 20" £299ex (4:3 not WS) but IMHO 17" is too small for 16:9 anyway
Savastore ... AOC 20" £299ex (4:3 not WS) but IMHO 17" is too small for 16:9 anyway
All 20" are 640 x 480 res so useless as a pc monitor.Most of the 17"(infact not seen one that isnt) are 1280 x 768.Everyone to there own personal preferences but Ive been using a 16" Sony Widescreen CTV for the last 7 years and been spot on.Depends on the size of your room I suppose.You would be better going for a 22" widescreen with 1280 x 768 res.
All 20" are 640 x 480 res so useless as a pc monitor.Most of the 17"(infact not seen one that isnt) are 1280 x 768.Everyone to there own personal preferences but Ive been using a 16" Sony Widescreen CTV for the last 7 years and been spot on.Depends on the size of your room I suppose.You would be better going for a 22" widescreen with 1280 x 768 res.
these 20" AOC are 800x600 but valid point ...
Savastore ... AOC 20" £299ex (4:3 not WS) but IMHO 17" is too small for 16:9 anyway
So you would rather watch a wide screen movie on a 20" 4:3 which would effectively be a 17" WS any way :doh: ??
So you would rather watch a wide screen movie on a 20" 4:3 which would effectively be a 17" WS any way :doh: ??
Sorry ... in other threads I've commented I am kitting out a new office space and these will solely be for sky news/bbc news/etc ...
Aldi are selling a 17" widescreen LCD TV/monitor next week for £329.99
Nicam Stereo
visible from 160 degrees
400:1 contrast ratio
400Cd/m2 brightness
1280x768 resolution
Teletext with 10 page memory
Full screen display in 16:9 and 4:3 modes
100 channels
2x3.5W RMS speakers
On screen display
Picture-in-picture display in the PC mode
Weights 6.5kg
Dimensions: 520x303x72mm. 520x338x200 with stand
3 year warranty
It has a picture of the side of the set showing the input/outputs. It looks like there is 1 scart, RGB inputs, audio output an S video input and another round black socket.
Argos have got 20% off Widescreen Televisions until Tuesday 16th November.They have got the Hitachi 17LD4200 17" Widescreen LCD TV for £399 and also got something called Mikomi 17in Widescreen LCD TV for £299 as well.Im still considering the Tosh and was thinking about the Hitachi but I can get a 28" Tosh Widescreen CRT for £233 so wondering whether to go larger Screen and CRT or Smaller Screen and LCD. Hitachi 17" Widescreen LCD TV (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-582776-8829216?url=http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=2501&productId=102517&Trail=C%24cip%3D16704.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D16776.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D16777.Televisions-flat%2Bpanel%2BLCD&categoryId=16777&clickfrom=name)
The Hitachi 17" is a rebadged Relisys RLT1720, the manuals are virtually identical. BT Shop (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=15512&a=60823&g=95784&url=http://www.shop.bt.com/bin/venda?ex=co_disp-view&invt=ccf101) have the Relisys for £349.99 (up from the old bargain price of £274).
Wow Q, are you still looking? Make your mind up :)
After about 6 weeks or so with the Sharp, I have to say the refresh rate is a bit of a let down, it is noticeable on dvd's and freeview, it's not *awful*, but there is a definite ghosting effect on fast moving objects :( Still reasonably happy with the purchase though, as it looks the business, and it's not so bad it is unwatchable....
The Hitachi 17" is a rebadged Relisys RLT1720, the manuals are virtually identical. BT Shop (http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=15512&a=60823&g=95784&url=http://www.shop.bt.com/bin/venda?ex=co_disp-view&invt=ccf101) have the Relisys for £349.99 (up from the old bargain price of £274).
Cheers for that,thats why they look so similar then.I like the design of the TV thats why I was looking at the Hitachi.Tosh back to the top of the list then.
Im in no great rush to get one as dont really need one at the moment.As the Sharp was on special offer then thats why I was going to get it.The Tosh has dropped another £5 now and is £409 delivered at RGB direct.My 7year old Sony 16" Widescreen CRT is still going along strong and as Im in a studio flat will get no use and get boxed back up as a reserve should I buy a LCD TV.As there isnt anything wrong with it at the moment,I cant justify buying one yet unless the price becomes a special :D
Q, I had a play with the Tosh 17WL46B at Currys today and noticed the OSD, button layout and rear sockets are identical to the Mikomi/Techwood. However, I didn't notice any noise in the picture using the shop feed (which is actually a SCART feed, could be RGB as I didn't notice any colour fringing) unlike with the Mikomi. Downloaded the user manual for the Tosh and found it to be mostly similar (pictures were updated); remote layout is identical, buttons shapes are slightly different. The Tosh uses a better panel though with a 176/176 viewing angle and 8-bit colour depth vs. 140/110 and 6-bits (with FRC) on the Mikomi. Just seems a little odd that even Toshiba is using Vestel to manufacture their TVs now.
Q, I had a play with the Tosh 17WL46B at Currys today and noticed the OSD, button layout and rear sockets are identical to the Mikomi/Techwood. However, I didn't notice any noise in the picture using the shop feed (which is actually a SCART feed, could be RGB as I didn't notice any colour fringing) unlike with the Mikomi. Downloaded the user manual for the Tosh and found it to be mostly similar (pictures were updated); remote layout is identical, buttons shapes are slightly different. The Tosh uses a better panel though with a 176/176 viewing angle and 8-bit colour depth vs. 140/110 and 6-bits (with FRC) on the Mikomi. Just seems a little odd that even Toshiba is using Vestel to manufacture their TVs now.
Cheers for that,The design was quite similar from looking at it.It could be the other way round.the Mikomi could be an Old Tosh design that Tosh kept as it worked and put an update panel in.Alot of non-branded tv's are old model's of brand name electronics.Tosh is still top of the list for me and eventually I'll get around to it.Just not in too much of rush these days as my Sony is still working perfectly well.
What were your overall view on the Tosh.Ive not heard anyone say a bad thing about it including What Widescreen Tv.
I did some Googling and found a press release here (http://www.vestel.com/Dev_En/GlobalOperations/Marketing/VestelForeignTrade.htm) about Vestel signing OEM manufacturing agreements with Hitachi, JVC and Toshiba (among others). I've noticed that the JVC LT-17C50BJ also has the characteristic twin RGB SCARTs and the same panel specs as the Toshiba; the Hitachi 17LD4220 is similar. Perhaps these are all the same underneath.
I thought the picture quality on the Toshiba was good, though it was just the shop feed (adverts and a few movie clips) and I couldn't experiment with the picture settings (no remote). Good amount of detail, no interlacing artefacts, no ghosting, wide viewing angles (compared to the Mikomi). One thing I noticed with the Mikomi is the brightness control alters the amount of light let through by the LCD matrix and not the brightness of the backlight. I'm hoping the Toshiba's not the same as a really bright backlight in a dark bedroom is really distracting.
The 17WLT46 (the version with Freeview) won this month's 17" LCD TV supertest in What Hi-Fi Sound and Vision.
I did some Googling and found a press release here (http://www.vestel.com/Dev_En/GlobalOperations/Marketing/VestelForeignTrade.htm) about Vestel signing OEM manufacturing agreements with Hitachi, JVC and Toshiba (among others). I've noticed that the JVC LT-17C50BJ also has the characteristic twin RGB SCARTs and the same panel specs as the Toshiba; the Hitachi 17LD4220 is similar. Perhaps these are all the same underneath.
I thought the picture quality on the Toshiba was good, though it was just the shop feed (adverts and a few movie clips) and I couldn't experiment with the picture settings (no remote). Good amount of detail, no interlacing artefacts, no ghosting, wide viewing angles (compared to the Mikomi). One thing I noticed with the Mikomi is the brightness control alters the amount of light let through by the LCD matrix and not the brightness of the backlight. I'm hoping the Toshiba's not the same as a really bright backlight in a dark bedroom is really distracting.
The 17WLT46 (the version with Freeview) won this month's 17" LCD TV supertest in What Hi-Fi Sound and Vision.
The 17WL46 got a good write up on Picture as well and the only thing that was a negative was the tiny sound from the speakers but they did say this was the same on all small 17" LCD TV's so couldnt be counted against it really.
Someone posted on another thread (the Mikomi Argos Thread) that the Hiitachi was a rebranded Relysis RLT1720 so probaly why they look so similar and the Relysis is now £299 at Richer Sounds.
Someone posted on another thread (the Mikomi Argos Thread) that the Hiitachi was a rebranded Relysis RLT1720 so probaly why they look so similar and the Relysis is now £299 at Richer Sounds.
I think that's me actually, on this thread, just press page up a few times ;)
About the sound- I found the sound on the Mikomi (same 2x3W rating as the Toshiba) to be acceptable for its size, still tinny sounding but certainly better than the 2x3.5W speakers on the 14" CRT it was meant to be replacing. Voices seemed to have more warmth in them and overall it didn't sound as boxed in.
Tosh review
Now that I have used the Tosh for a while the only let down is the remote control. In the dark it is hard to navigate the buttons and even when the light is on the remote oftern send the wrong signal so changing the volume ends up changing channels as well.
ive got a dilemma at the moment - want a new tft/lcd for mostly pc work, but want something stylish. does anyone think that a 17" widescreen tv would be decent, or should i just stick to a 17" tft? i like the look of the 17" widescreens and don't really mind a little bit of resolution difference.
wilforiley
22-06-2005, 15:58
I was looking at the mikomi one at *****:
http://www.*****.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=3151&productId=119662&Trail=C%24cip%3D21872.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D21947.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D21948.Plasma%2Band%2BLCD%2Btelevisions&categoryId=21948&clickfrom=image
which is £249.00.
Read a thread on it a couple of months back which said it looked good. Never seen it myself though. Any good?
Alternatively I may be looking to get this:
Price Runner (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/pan/TrackerServlet^QS^p=359^QA^a=60823^QA^g=19558^QA^url=http%3A//www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/vision/tv/276085/prices)
at 289.00.
Not sure which would be better but I'm leaning towards the Hitachi (more reputable name etc? not that this may make any difference)
Why on earth did you bring this thread back from the dead?
Anyway, Asda have a 17" Relisys 1730 for about £230
Dave
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