View Full Version : Scholes retires from international football
morleyian
03-08-2004, 13:37
Breaking news on SSN.
good news for United, tough luck for England :clap: :clap: :clap:
Full story here: http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=88806&itype=466&icategoryid=120
BlueDwarf
03-08-2004, 13:40
Good news for England :clap: :clap:
Bapapapa
03-08-2004, 13:41
Excellent news for England.. :clap:
Boozyuzi
03-08-2004, 13:43
In the huff.... or what ?
Not that surprising, has been playing as a square peg in a round hole for England for quite a while. Will hopefully prolong his club career
Art Vanderlay
03-08-2004, 13:45
It's ridiculous to say it is good news for England.
Alright perhaps he should be dropped from the first team - in fact that may be a factor in his retirement - but what if a couple of midfielders are injured?
It's a shame that he will not be carrying on with England, but I'm sure United will reap the rewards of his decision
I've always counted Scholes as one of my favourite England players and I hope Fergie can somehow transform Alan Smith into a Paul Scholes-quality player so we won't feel the loss for long!
Good news for England :clap: :clap:
are you mad or just :cuckoo:
strangely he was not a left winger, and thats where he has been playing - even if Lampard has overtaken his mantle in the middle - he would have been great to play if Lampard was injured or lost form, and also could have a genuine impact from the bench, which England sadly lack. :(
pompeyfan
03-08-2004, 13:49
The way he's been playing for England I thought he retired a couple of seasons ago:p
Now if he could persuade Heskey to go with him...
Bit of a shock this one. He has had a couple of dodgy games (albeit out of position) but I thought he was proper International quality when on top of his game. And no I am not a United fan...
:shrug:
He has had a couple of dodgy games
He has been abysmal for over 3 years despite many, many games in his preferred slot in CM - he clearly realises that he is nothing without Sir Alex coaxing his ego :gag:
Hopefully someone like Shawn Wright Phillips will get his shot at International level now! :thumbs: (just please, please, please not Kieron Dyer! :eek: :eek: )
Bit of a shock this one. He has had a couple of dodgy games (albeit out of position) but I thought he was proper International quality when on top of his game. And no I am not a United fan...
:shrug:
My sentiments exactly:)
Boozyuzi
03-08-2004, 13:55
Beckham is rumoured to be retiring too.
BlueDwarf
03-08-2004, 13:57
Beckham is rumoured to be retiring too.
Rumoured by who?
This should be good news for Joe Cole, but what's the betting Sven picks Phil Neville ahead of him? :lol:
Beckham is rumoured to be retiring too.
that's because if Ericsson goes, the new manager won't automatically select him
The way he's been playing for England I thought he retired a couple of seasons ago:p
:lol: :lol:
reminds me a bit of Andy Cole who retired when he wasn't even going to be selected ever again. Oh well, at least Scholes got in with announcing his retirment before he was actually dropped - he obviously has more intelligence than Andy Cole.
It certianly is good news for England but I would have much prefered it if Phil Neville had retired instead. Perhaps Gary can twist his arm.
This should be good news for Joe Cole
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :( :(
Yeah, the way he has played the last few years has hardly been brilliant. I think he is way past his best, he was a fantastic player at his peak.
from that article:
"I have been considering retiring from international football for a while"
:lol:
and practicing as well.
Let's be honest, the weather was pretty hot in Portugal and considering he's a ginger, he cannot last a whole game due to the risk of sunstroke/exploding in freckles/getting 3rd degree burns
I think some of you are being a bit hard.
Ok he would not be in my current England starting 11, but he would definatly be/was an important squad member.
filthypig
03-08-2004, 14:17
Gutted
:(
I wonder if he can have a word with Phil Neville?
Surprise announcement, just when you thought he might have a bit of a re-birth at international level...
Pisces Iscariot
03-08-2004, 15:10
Rumoured by who?
This should be good news for Joe Cole, but what's the betting Sven picks Phil Neville ahead of him? :lol:
Phil Neville would probably be more effective than Joe Cole. :lol:
SWP should be England's first choice right winger whether Beckham retires or not!
I think he is way past his best, he was a fantastic player at his peak.
He's still playing as well for Untied as he's ever done and hopefully that will continue for even longer now. :thumbs:
At least England don't have to shoehorn him into the side every time, and can allow lampard and gerrard to both play in the centre of midfield.
At least England don't have to shoehorn him into the side every time, and can allow lampard and gerrard to both play in the centre of midfield.
:lol:
i agree with new that a lot of you are being harsh, England's poor form over the past few years cannot be put down to one man (unless you count Eriksson ;)) Scholes was always committed and has given England great service over the years and i'm shocked that he's decided to retire from the national side.
The only good thing to come out of this is that Scholes will now fully be able to concentrate on his club football!
He's still playing as well for Untied as he's ever done and hopefully that will continue for even longer now. :thumbs:
Who are Untied? :p Yeah, meant to say past his best for England. He still does the business for Man Utd, but the last telling contribution I can remember him making for England were the two goals against Scotland in the Euro 2000 play offs. That was a long time ago.
The 3 little pigs
03-08-2004, 16:15
Great news for United. Not too suprised to be honest, he hasnt performed for England like he does for United for quite a while.
Gerrard & Lampard in the middle? That worked wonders in Euro2004 didnt it! They hardly got a kick.
Grandmaster
03-08-2004, 16:22
Beckham is rumoured to be retiring too.
Part of Beckham's marketing allure is the fact that he is England captain. It would be commercial suicide for him to retire at this point.
He won't retire unless Sven's replacement (here's hoping) doesn't automatically select him, which would have even more of a negative effect on the "Beckham Brand"... :|
Welshlad
03-08-2004, 16:24
Quite surprised by the news.
Admittedly he hasn't played well for England recently, but he's still an absolute gem of a midfielder and would walk into any club side in Europe IMO. Brilliant user of the ball and there's no reason why at 29 he cant get back to his absolute best, meaning ManYoo are the biggest winner in this decision.
lets be honest, if recent international form had any influence on the decision, owen, beckam, gerrard, heskey, dyer and a few others should be following his lead!
He retired a month younger than Shearer - I wonder if in 18 months time he'll be back to top form and all those ridiculing him will be begging for him to come back as they do Shearer?
Won't make much difference to England because (along with Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham) frankly he's not up to international standard.
There isn't anyone better to replace him though so there is no reason to celebrate.
SSN just showing you his highlights. The days when Scholes was England's best player...
Huge suprise to me that he's retired, wasnt expecting that. Wouldnt suprise me if its Nicky Butt thats now an automatic choice, with Gerrard/Lamparrd being shifted out to the left.
lets be honest, if recent international form had any influence on the decision, owen, beckam, gerrard, heskey, dyer and a few others should be following his lead!
most people aren't just talking about recent international form though - they are talking about the last 3 years or so - i.e. a huge part of his international career. Also they are 3 years where he was at an age where he should have been at his peak.
andybhoy
03-08-2004, 18:21
he clearly realises that he is nothing without Sir Alex coaxing his ego :gag:
I always had you down as someone knowledgeable in regards to football. But now I read that you think Paul Scholes has an ego problem I think I must have been confusing you with Kyro.
;) :lol:
I always had you down as someone knowledgeable in regards to football. But now I read that you think Paul Scholes has an ego problem I think I must have been confusing you with Kyro.
;) :lol:
Paul Scholes is on my list of players who I just have trouble seeing goodness out of - hearing talk today that he is the 'best English player' of recent times makes me just LMAO ;)
Welshlad
03-08-2004, 18:38
most people aren't just talking about recent international form though - they are talking about the last 3 years or so - i.e. a huge part of his international career. Also they are 3 years where he was at an age where he should have been at his peak.
But then are people just confusing form with goals?
I dont pretend to have watched every England game for the last 3 years, but it seems to me he was being picked on merit, even if he wasn't scoring.
andybhoy
03-08-2004, 18:39
Paul Scholes is on my list of players who I just have trouble seeing goodness out of - hearing talk today that he is the 'best English player' of recent times makes me just LMAO ;)
I've never heard anyone say that. I think you've either misheard the talk or it's one guy saying something silly.
Not sure what you mean by "seeing goodness out of".
It's a shame all the ABU's on this site have to ridicule such a great player, and a model professional. Played in position for England he would produce the goods again, but alas we have the nyphomaniac swede as a manager who's more interested in playing with his testicles than tactics.
His retirement though can only be good news for United, one of the best midfielders in the world with no international commitments will certainly help the team.
It's a shame all the ABU's on this site have to ridicule such a great player, and a model professional. Played in position for England he would produce the goods again, but alas we have the nyphomaniac swede as a manager who's more interested in playing with his testicles than tactics.
What a load of rubbish. I can't see any posts where people have said he is a bad player, just that he hasn't cut the mustard with England for a few years now. Hard to argue with that, I'm sure even Scholes would agree (a minor part of his retirement perhaps, if so he is to be respected even more for standing aside). I can't blame the man for giving up internationals to prolong a lucrative club career, I would do exactly the same thing and it makes a lot of sense. Best of luck to him, I hope he can carry on for many years to come :thumbs:
But then are people just confusing form with goals?
Not in the slightest. If Scholes had been playing well then his lack of goals wouldn't have been such an issue.
I dont pretend to have watched every England game for the last 3 years, but it seems to me he was being picked on merit
Scholes has been been poor on numerous and was picked on his past reputation and perhaps on his club form. He was picked on merit to about the same extent as he was for non ginger haired precision tackling.
The media were quite right ot highlight the lack of goals he scored becasue he wasn't contributing much else. Also, when players are so hopeless at defending you automatically expect goals and/or very good attacking play in order to compensate.
Have to say it was noble of Scholes to make Sven's job so much easier and to jump before he was pushed. While a minority of people on the forums may beleive Scholes is the bestest player ever, it's obvious that he himself knew he hadn't done the business for England for a long time in any position on the pitch.
It does amaze me how people like to do a good player down. For the last seven years, I don't think there has been a more creative player in the England team who has the ability to produce some magical football, killer passes and score a fair number of goals (OK, not recently!). But he is the kind of player who can turn matches. He would walk into many top Eurpean sides, whether that be club or country.
Yes he has had a few bad performances, but I don't think there's been a player in the history of football to whom this couldn't be applied (a fact most people conveniently forget when slagging off players).
There isn't a better all round player in the English midfield and I think in the long run, England will be far poorer without him (just like we've been poorer without Shearer).
I'm sure he'll continue to shine for Manchester United and good look to him.
Of course, all of this coming from a Mancunian is probably to be expected, but I should point out that I am a Manchester City fan who recognises genuine talent and skill when I see it (I just wish he played for us!).
Bill Carr
04-08-2004, 11:58
I like Scholes, I think he's a great player and his club record is very good - and it has to be said, his international one ain't too bad either, in terms of goals/game. However, he'd not performed in an England shirt in a long time. Not just in terms of goal scoring, but his overall play. Too often he would contribute little to games (even before he was pushed out wide), give away too many freekicks and not create enough. Although is it just coincidence that his best and most consistently good performances were before Sven arrived?
It's to his credit that he jumped before he was pushed (if indeed Sven would push him - past evidence would suggest not!), and I would imagine this could extend his club career for a season or two. The interesting to come out of this is to see who Sven picks in his stead - maybe someone who can actually play on the left? E.g the often touted Cole/Bridge combo, or maybe Joe Cole...
What wonderful short memories these people have....
I know Euro 2000 was a long time ago...but
England v Scotland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/11/99/battle_of_britain/518724.stm)
I seem to remember him playing a crucial part in the first leg.
He's a hard worker, and despite fitness and injury problems, always gives his best.
Professional on the pitch (aside from some of the tackles, I'll agree!), off the pitch, you don't hear what he does. In my mind, what a footballer should be.
If any of you slagging him off could do better than him, well, why aren't you playing for your country.
Give credit where its due. Its not difficult.
What wonderful short memories these people have....
I know Euro 2000 was a long time ago...but
England v Scotland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/11/99/battle_of_britain/518724.stm)
I seem to remember him playing a crucial part in the first leg.
He's a hard worker, and despite fitness and injury problems, always gives his best.
Professional on the pitch (aside from some of the tackles, I'll agree!), off the pitch, you don't hear what he does. In my mind, what a footballer should be.
If any of you slagging him off could do better than him, well, why aren't you playing for your country.
Give credit where its due. Its not difficult.
Your first sentence sums it up really, that was the last real telling contribution Scholes made for England, 4 years ago. What has he done since then apart from the odd slightly above average performance and lots of yellow cards for bad tackles. You can't say the same for Campbell, Beckham, Owen, Gerrard, Lampard etc etc.
Even he knows he is past his best at international level, or he wouldn't be retiring. Everyone has correctly praised him as an excellent club player and a fine England player at his peak, but he has not cut the mustard for England in the last 4 years.
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