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ok i have been convering all my old tape to mp3 and need to cut some of them by a few min and with them all need to split them in to tracks any good software please ?
Sandeep C.
21-07-2004, 08:10
Erm...Soundforge, Wavelab? But those are professional Wave Editors used by the best studios in the world and is prolly a bit more than you're looking for.
Take a look at Steinberg's "Clean". You have some enhancement tools there as well (just don't go overboard when using them 'cos you'll degrade the quality further). Alternatively, if all you're looking for is to split them, or do minor edits, couldn't you do it in Nero's Wave Editor?
kjmacphee
21-07-2004, 10:45
Audacity is good and free.
Sandeep C.
21-07-2004, 10:54
Stay AWAY from "free" audio programs. The algorithms are nowhere near upto scratch and you'll end up with very poor output.
kjmacphee
21-07-2004, 12:52
Take your word for it. I've never had any problems with Audacity the (few) times I've used it.
And as the source is tape it might not be a big concern.
Stay AWAY from "free" audio programs. The algorithms are nowhere near upto scratch and you'll end up with very poor output.
surely this doesn't apply if he's just cutting and splitting?
I think Sandeep meant the encoding side of things, which comes after the cutting and splicing. Seeing as it's coming from a legacy format, you want to keep as much quality as possible, quality encoding will help alot in that department.
Had a friend who has had good results with "Magix Audio Cleaning Lab", which is 15ukp at Amazon, it's so good apparantly that he doesn't touch the programs he used to use to do this sort of thing anymore.
Now he just puts a tape\LP or whatever on, hits a few buttons in the application and goes for a walk. He returns to the application the required length of time later - it's a "real time" encoder apparantly, then sets about cutting and naming his compilations.
I obviously don't know if it will do for you. But he seems quite impressed. You can download a trial of the program here: http://www.magix.com/select.html
Alternatively, there is the long way: http://www.shareup.com/dadioh/
hi got that Audacity when i open the mp3 file nothing comes up ?
just need something basic that i can split and cut and shows like a graph
You could try mp3 DirectCut (http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/)
It's a fairly basic freeware mp2/mp3 editor. The interface doesn't look very exciting but don't let that put put you off! It's very quick to use and most importantly it doesn't recompress your file when you save, so the quality of the original file isn't affected.
It will record direct to mp3 as well using the LAME codec.
Worth a look.
Sandeep C.
22-07-2004, 12:59
marke - You want the waveform right. Well, if you don't mind spending a bit then go for Steinberg's Clean. They have a superb reputation in the Audio industry with products like Cubase, Wavelab, etc and will certainly do you a good job.
But again, if all you're after is just to be able to splice and dice, you should be able to use Nero's Wave Editor.
Good though all the pro software is you'll need a util like mp3DirectCut if you want to edit an existing mp3 file and re-save it (or a section of it) without recompressing. It was basically written to fulfill that need. Even with the Nero wave editor any trimming and saving you do will involve recompressing.
That said, if you want a more sophisticated package for recording your stuff in the first place then go for Clean or something similar. If you've already recorded your mp3s though then all you need is a quick and easy cutter.
Hope this helps
argee when with mp3 DirectCut great did the trick can you do track spliters with that ?
Yep. Click the waveform where you want a split, then click the "cut" button. This creates a cut region of zero length and gets classed as a cue point. (ctrl+n allows you to name the cue point).
When you've set all the cue points go to file>save split and you can save them as separate files with whatever naming convention you prefer. This is fine if you just need to split the file into tracks without removing any sections.
In theory you can load the cue sheet that gets created into Nero (or similar) and burn a cd with track points inserted at the cue points. Haven't got that to work tho :)
The alternative way of using cuts is almost the opposite of "save selection". You highlight large unwanted areas and click cut, so you can create several regions that you don't want. In this case "save split" saves the bits between the cuts as separate files. Saving a project file keeps all this info so you can edit again later if you want to.
The interface is a bit clunky but it works. This util was quite popular for editing digital radio recordings (Wavefinder etc.) btw, mainly because it will handle mp2 as well.
cheers
argee
Argee top man for info can i do a easy way of just putting splits in every 3 min as most of the tapes are 30-45 min long ? even if i have to use a diff prog
no probs :) go to Special>Auto Cue... You can set a value in minutes and cues will be dropped in at those fixed intervals. Then just save splits as before.
hi there tryed that and that splits in to different files i just want the one files still but splits in that file ?
uh? do you mean one mp3 file, with track indicators in it? thats difficult because afaik the mp3 spec doesn't allow for this, some playback software allows bookmarks to be set (but usually the one, as it used for audio books)
What do you loose by splitting the main file?
mmm... have a look at mp3cue (http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/mp3cue/index.html)
I'm not sure if this is what you want to do, but if you want to keep one long recording as mp3 and have "track markers" for pc playback you can use this. The cue file that you can save from mp3directcut contains the timing points, and this plugin allows you to go straight to them. You have to use winamp for playback though (nothing wrong with that tho :) )
As this guy mentions you can use EAC (Exact Audio Copy) to rip a long mix cd into one long mp3 and create a cue file to mark the tracks. When you play back you don't get the slight gaps between tracks that are almost unavoidable with mp3 encoding. You're creating your own recording and cues but it's the same idea.
btw if you want to burn your stuff as an audio cd you can drop in track (and index) markers using Nero. Right-click a track once you've added it to a Nero compilation, go to properties and you can edit/split it right there.
Hope this helps
hi m8 ok i have one mp3 file 27mb lasts for 45min just want to slit it up so when i play on my in car mp3 i can flick through rather than searching if you get me
as cjb110 says, the mp3 spec doesn't provide for track points within a file. Unless your incar unit supports cue files or something similar then it won't work.
Either split into several mp3s, but then you might hear slight gaps as the tracks change. Or burn as an audio cd using Nero as I mentioned. Drop your track markers in within Nero and let it "split" the file (it doesn't actually split, just places markers) then burn in disc-at-once mode. Then you won't have any gaps.
cheers
argee
strange as i have 100% done this before i did have cool edit pro and i posative it let me do it
thinking about it now it was another program but cant remember
anyone help me out here plz
Sorry marke, can't think how you would have done this before, not with mp3 anyway.
Is the car mp3 player an in-car cd player (head unit) or is it a portable that you're plugging in? If it's a cd player then I still think you might be better off burning it as an audio cd. You could try separate mp3 tracks though, they might play with no gaps on your unit.
cheers
argee
hi m8 yes its a headunit so there is no way to put gaps in the one mp3 file i have ? :shrug:
Stay AWAY from "free" audio programs. The algorithms are nowhere near upto scratch and you'll end up with very poor output.
:thinking: Please elaborate.
I think all you can do is split your 45min file into separate files (tracks) using directcut, so you can skip to a track in the car, but if you listen "through" any track changes you might hear a slight gap.
It might be me assuming that's gonna be a problem though. Because it's a 45min track I'm guessing that you don't want to hear slight breaks when you listen straight through. If that's not actually a problem then just split the track up.
Maybe I'm confusing the issue now... :)
hi thx for ths info anyone else plz realy need t get this sorted ?
scottwilson82
06-08-2004, 12:29
I've never had a problem with Cool MP3 Splitter (http://www.yaosoft.com/) :thumbs:
scottwilson82 just tryed that one and at the end it gives me about 8 files split up i want the 8 spilts but just one file still if you get me please someone help :luv:
someone must know of a prog to do this please ?? ? ? ? ? ? :thinking:
still need help on this one if anyone could help me out plz :thumbs:
still need help on this one if anyone could help me out plz
Sandeep C.
11-09-2004, 14:52
:thinking: Please elaborate.
Lol, sorry! Didn't see this until now. As I said before the algorithms are rubbish, and your WAV file will be garbage by the time you've saved it (obviously depending on what you've done to it).
marke - Just do it manually. 45/3 is 15, that's 15 manual cue points you have to put in. Hardly knackering!
still need help on this topic please ?
still need help on this one if anyone could help me out plz :help:
please someone help :doh: :doh: :doh: :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
marke, there is no way to insert 'chapters'/'track' marks into a single mp3 file.
mp3 direct cut will do a pretty good job of finding the track gaps, allowing you to split the file. If you then used a player that supports crossover fading then when you play the multiple mp3's you probly wont notice it.
Hi marke. sorry you're still not sorted. Looking back over the thread all the options seem to have been covered.
If you want to recap on exactly what you want to do we can probably have another think... but as cjb110 says, you definitely can't put the markers/chapters in the mp3 file on it's own.
Cheers
Argee
hi thx for replys ok on my last pc i am sure i used cool edit something to do this, i have my own mixed tape from years ago on tape cassette and then i put them to one 45 min mp3 file. Then from there i was able to put splitters in so if i play via my car strero it skips as if it was in tracks but still was only one mp3 file.
hope this makes sence
mmm, tapes could do this, as like mp3directcut does, some stereo detected the 'silence' between tracks.
What is/was the car stereo make?
hi there its a kenwood but i will check as i am very sure that i have played through winamp and that also plays tracks on the one mp3 file
Is it possible that when using cooledit you put in markers, maybe even saved the file as mp3, but then burnt the long file as an audio cd? The markers would have become track points but the music would still have been continuous. They could even have become index points, which is not very commonly used on audio CDs but your player might just have supported them. If that was the case you'd only have one audio track on the disc, with the index points "inside" it.
hi there i havent used a audio cd i only use mp3s in my car and winamp ?
The latest PC Format (DVD edition) has MP3 Surgeon (Full) on the coverdisk. There's also a full version of Dexster 1.0 on the same disc. I've not used either but they're audio editors.
D.
anyone know if they will do the job ?
still after help on this i have done this in the past just cant remember what i used :doh:
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