Should Sven Quit?

[Herbal]

Ok

France
Spain
Italy
Germany
England

All out and apart from England have got rid of their managers, i personally think he's taken them as far as he can, his subs this week have been awful. And show some feeling for the game..

[madstu]

Ok

France
Spain
Italy
Germany
England

All out and apart from England have got rid of their managers, i personally think he's taken them as far as he can, his subs this week have been awful. And show some feeling for the game..

Spain, Italy failed to qualify, and so there coaches deserve to go, although Trap has not been sacked, his contract not renewed (which is pretty much the same thing anyway).

But Santini quit before the tournament, and has nothing to do with tonight.

Germany were truly rubbish, and Voller deserved to go.

Should Sven go? No, I don't believe there is anyon better, and he does not have a great deal of talent at his disposal - despite everything I reckon he's done ok - just remember Keegan!

[campdave]

Bet the FA feel really stupid giving him a huge contract for loads of cash. Of course he won't quit - which club side would want to employ him based on Englands recent performances?

[Kronik]

I think he should go, we have some of the best midfielders available at our disposal, but Sven some how turns them into tosh. We play dreadful football and once we go behind he doesnt seem to know what to do.

[rawowl]

If we had won on penalties would this question be asked ? And if he did go who would you want ? Keegan , Wilkinson, Peter Taylor :cuckoo:

[Kronik]

I would still raise the question after the tournament if we had won on penalties!

[unrealnils]

Scolari !!!

[mjb1975]

Nah, I think the right decision is to stay - he's gonna take us to the WC06 and I'll be happy with that.

[forder999]

no he shouldn't go he has done us good just makes a few stupid decisions here and there

[WiggyWog]

Allardyce?

[Malabbey]

Nah, I think the right decision is to stay - he's gonna take us to the WC06 and I'll be happy with that.
He probably will but he won't take you to the final itself. You will then be back to asking the same question as the thread title again in 2006 :nuts:

[Mr Jolly]

No, but his tactics have been poor all through the tournament. We can keep trying to defend 1-0 leads. It cost us again France and Portugal. And Brazil two years ago.

[bonytony]

He should go...for failing us at the world cup and now this....which was the general opinion at work this morning, i on the other hand don't care but in reality cannot See him getting sacked after all the hoohaa about getting him to stay.

[horseflesh]

It shouldn't be a case of him having to quit; he should be sacked.
The same way as Terry Venables should have been sacked after Euro 96 (any other country claiming to be a major force in European football who only got to a semi-final on home soil would have).

[Mark B]

On 4 million a year you'd expect him to be a magician - in practice, he's not done any better than Hoddle or Venables and has made England play in the stupidest of fashions (I never thought I'd live to see England play like Italy).

But there's no point firing him if you've got no-one decent to replace him with but if anyone thinks England can win the WC in 2 years time with that kind of tactics, they're delusional....

[Way_2_FAT]

Compared with the best (Hitzfeld, Lippi, Ferguson etc..) Sven is a complete nobody, even the likes of Martin O'Neil (done very well with limited players on limited funds) IMO is a better manager than he is. Sven is probably the most overated and most overpaid manager in the game.

Mind you, on that kind of contract who would be stupid enough to quit when you can milk the cash bigtime out of the most retarded FA on the planet, hell knows why the FA renewed his contract (big increase!) when he was linked to Chelsea since his past record really ain't all that! :|

Edit: typo.

[Idle Child]

i believe Sven should go because i don't get the feeling that he inspires the players. England needs an outspoken manager who gets into the thick of things, "in-the-trenches" style, someone WITH a pulse and some harsh words to throw around at the other teams to really stir up a hornets nest. What England needs is a rock-n-roll footie manager..

[BlueDwarf]

Three big games (Brazil, France, Portugal), three failures.
When tested at the highest level against the best teams, he doesn't deliver.

[bob_bob]

He probably will but he won't take you to the final itself. You will then be back to asking the same question as the thread title again in 2006 :nuts:

Atleast we'll get there eh ;)

[campdave]

Atleast we'll get there eh ;)

but that never seems to be enough for England fans does it - always whinging and moaning when they go out. How about just appreciating it?

[locust64]

Allardyce?
:clap:
hes gotta go!!!

[simonmac]

He won't quit as A) He's on a silly salary and would lose millions and B) No job to go to.

[damell]

but that never seems to be enough for England fans does it - always whinging and moaning when they go out. How about just appreciating it?

Why should we just settle for the quarter finals in every tournament?

As mentioned above, how do a midfield with as much talent as we have end up playing like 3rd division players. Not one of the players held the ball up when we needed to and tried to pass it around. It was constant route 1 football, which not only isn't good to watch, it isn't effective (As seen against Brazil, France, Portugal).

How do such a talented defensive lineup concede such sloppy goals. It's day one defending which they produce day in day out for their club teams.

As the OP said, I think he's taken us about as far as he can. It's time for a change.

[Ono]

I think Sven shouldn't quit until the end of the World Cup 2006 (if we actually make it!).

What he should do though is go out in a blaze of glory. Once we get to the finals play total all out attacking football. :nuts: Screw trying to defend 1-0 leads (he's proven that we can't do that anyway!) - lets go out and attack regardless of the scoreline!!

Go out and try to win every game by scoring shedloads of goals!


Put a load of fast attacking midfielders and defenders in to supplement to strikers.


Team:

Kirkland

Terry
Campbell
Ashley Cole
Glen Johnson

Scott Parker (or Joe Cole)
Rooney (in behind the front 2)
Lampard
Gerrard (holding central and passing)

Owen (interchangable with Defoe)
Beattie (for his strength and heading).



Subs:
Robinson
Rio Ferdinand
King
Vassell
Beckham
Joe Cole
Dyer
Pennant
Milner
Defoe
Shearer :D
JL Samuel
Barry


;)

[rawowl]

If Sven went, would you be certain the next "poor sod" would be certain to take England to glory ? Before the Portugal game I didnt hear many people having a go a Sven , but since we have gone OUT people want him to go.

We seem to think that England have a god given right to win every tournement we enter. The fact is we have only ever won 1 thing when we hosted the World Cup in 66.

Four years ago England had a very poor Euro 2000 , could you honestly say we have had a poor Euro 2004.

One thing for sure is in two years in Germany WE will be dreaming of glory once again , and I think it might just happen :cuckoo:

[Malabbey]

Atleast we'll get there eh ;)
There's an outside chance that Bertie McVogts might get us there too.

[Way_2_FAT]

Yeah but Sven is one of THE highest paid manager in the world but without the record to justify a penny of it, Germany on the otherhand is possibly getting Hitzfeld in as their new manager (THE best manager in the world over the last 10 years), I'd doubt even Hitzfeld would get 1/4 of Sven's annual salary despite Hitzfeld being only one out of a very few being able to justify such a massive pay package... ;)

It's typical with England, they all think they have a world class midfield lineup whereas in reality only one (or two if you include Becks ;)) of them has really proven it against the very best.

England is always about hype more than substance, in no other country would you find the most overated players with price tags of £30M/40M/50M for complete nobodies in world football proves that case... :nuts:

[jayok]

SGE will not quit, he is paid to much and has a good contract for him to even consider quitting. England were never really strong contenders to win the tournament.

[ryonhilluk]

Sven won't make the big decisions, other managers would.

[Kronik]

Sven won't make the big decisions, other managers would.

Exactly, this is what worries me. He even said he'd continue to pick Beckham if he's off-form. What kind of crappy attitude is that? :mad:

[rawowl]

I dont think any other manager would drop Beckham tbh.

[bob_bob]

Exactly, this is what worries me. He even said he'd continue to pick Beckham if he's off-form. What kind of crappy attitude is that? :mad:

He didnt say that. He was asked if David Beckham was still (at the current time) and automatic selection, and he said yes.

[Kronik]

I dont think any other manager would drop Beckham tbh.

Fergi would. ;)

[Kronik]

He didnt say that. He was asked if David Beckham was still (at the current time) and automatic selection, and he said yes.

Which implies to me that no matter how badly he plays he will always be first choice. Whats even worse is he said he'll be more or less taking the same bunch to Germany 2006! :cry:

[Grandmaster]

Sven's a busted flush and now the whole country has seen through him. I do not think he can inspire the players, and he seems to have no emotional attachment to either the game or the sides he puts out.

The Portugal game was an interesting window on everything that is wrong with Eriksson. The Portugese had the guts to withdraw Figo because he wasn't delivering, they had the guts to bring on attack-minded players. Sven opted for Phil Neville and refused to withdraw Beckham who was perhaps the worst player in England's First XI throughout the whole tournament and worse still on the night. David Baddiel on Fantasy Football had an interesting point - has Sven ever made a substitute for an attacking midfielder?

Reports in the press indicate that Sven also has some kind of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" arrangement with David Beckham which - if true - has helped spell disaster for England in this tournament.

Additionally, you have to wonder about the effectiveness of the man (especially bearing in mind the £5m salary from the near bankrupt FA).

Sven's own players are forcing him to ditch his own tactics. So at the end of the day... what on earth is the point of the man?

[vulture]

On £4m a year, you'd expect more from Sven. He needed to deliver, and he failed cause his tactics weren't up to scratch. I say good riddance to bad rubbish (and you can include Beckham in that as well)

[bob_bob]

beckham had one bad tournament.. you lot are so harsh.. lest we forget who got us there.

[Mark B]

he was playing like a man with something else on his mind - a divorce maybe?

[Euripedes]

Tough one - but perhaps for the moment, better the Devil we know. His record as England Boss is quite good.

Am I right in saying that he has only lost 2 competitve matches in his time - and that was to Brazil and France.

[Francis]

Ian Wright or Linekar made a decent point just after the penalties. Sven was wandering out about with his notepad and pen making the list for pens. That was it. The players talked amongst themselves and Sven took names. Nothing else.
Fair enough he needed to get a list if he hadn't sorted it out earlier, but I'd have much preferred to see him at least attempting to motivate players. Which is something I can't recall or imagine Sven doing at all?
Like others have said though, I don't see anyone else being a better option for you at the minute, and with the Chelsea job now gone, Sven's not walking ;)

[Mark B]

Am I right in saying that he has only lost 2 competitve matches in his time - and that was to Brazil and France.

And Portugal?

[snowball]

I wonder if this thread subject would be under discussion at all, had england been allowed the last minute goal ???

[bonytony]

You all go on about sven goren erikson not motivating the players when they need it ....but did you see David Beckham motivating the players.....err No :thinking: , he should not be captain any more or are you all scared of upsetting him and his mate SGE :suspect:

[Sam]

I agree before I got rid of Sven I'd take the armband of Beckham. A captain is supposed to lead by example and show a desire to win. Out of the current squad I'd make either Gary neville or Sol Campbell captain. I'd also play Scholes and gerrard through the middle. Scholes can do nothing stuck out on the left, when he's through the middle he teams up well with Gerrard.

If we don't start the WC qual's with a win then I'd get rid of Sven before its too late.

[Grandmaster]

You all go on about sven goren erikson not motivating the players when they need it ....but did you see David Beckham motivating the players.....err No :thinking: , he should not be captain any more or are you all scared of upsetting him and his mate SGE :suspect:

Er, you clearly aren't reading the Overweight Beckham or "england" threads are you? This thread is about Sven.

[Grandmaster]

I agree before I got rid of Sven I'd take the armband of Beckham. A captain is supposed to lead by example and show a desire to win. Out of the current squad I'd make either Gary neville or Sol Campbell captain. I'd also play Scholes and gerrard through the middle. Scholes can do nothing stuck out on the left, when he's through the middle he teams up well with Gerrard.

If we don't start the WC qual's with a win then I'd get rid of Sven before its too late.

I never thought I'd say it, but based on performances in Euro 2004, I think Gary Neville would be an excellent captain. I think Campbell's the better player, but Neville seems to have something of the rabble rouser in him.

[bonytony]

Sorry for wandering off topic :nuts:

Off to add to beckham thread :doh:

[richdmx]

Sven shouldnt quit, i still believe this team can get better, we still lack that something special but hopefully that should stay.
But i agree with whats been said, Sven doesnt make big decisions and brings on bit part players when there isnt any need to do so.

[urruri]

No Eriksson shouldn't quit but I'd make Gary Neville captain.There aren't many leaders in the current England squad at the moment.

[Pisces Iscariot]

Yes it's time for Sven to go simply because in the interviews he claims he doesn't know what he did wrong and he hopes that England will continue to play the same way.

Everyone else can see that England are playing too defensively and are unable to retain possession and dictate the tempo of a match.

[Mark B]

Everyone else can see that England are playing too defensively and are unable to retain possession and dictate the tempo of a match.

Well I think part of his using Heskey in the first match was to try and keep the ball up which he can do very well. His status as whipping boy was confirmed though when he gave away that free kick and Erikson obviously no longer dared to play him after that...

I do wonder how things would have panned out had France ended second and England first - it would have probably given much more interesting football matches given that France and Portugal are offensive teams and Greece and England aren't.

[robbiez666]

Sven should quit: Bad tactics, no motivational abilities, Inability to change formation/structure/pattern of play, bad use of subs, picks best individuals instead of team, negative, boring, long ball, bad organisation in defense (from set pieces and also not pushing out), not willing to take chances, No guts (to sub poor "star" players.

The replacement needs to be someone who will pick the best TEAM and with a personailty strong enough to drop players if needsbe. I hate Venables but he's in that mould. Suggestions:

Sam Alladice
Peter Taylor
Wenger
Peter Reid

[Way_2_FAT]

Arsene Wenger is simply way out of Englands league, the French job looks far more likely if and when Wenger does decide to manage a national team. :lol:

[robbiez666]

Looks liek Tigana's going to get the French job

The FA should throw money at him. After all there was rumours that he was going to manage Japan at one stage.

[bob_bob]

Arsene Wenger is simply way out of Englands league, the French job looks far more likely if and when Wenger does decide to manage a national team. :lol:

Would be nice to have a english manager, who wants wenger, not i.

[robbiez666]

I really don't care what nationality our manager is as long as we win something

[Grandmaster]

Would be nice to have a english manager, who wants wenger, not i.

Wenger would be far more likely to win something with England than Venables, Reid, Alladyce, McClaren, Curbishley - ALL of the English candidates you would care to mention.

Sure, having an English man in the job would be nice, but having one of the best managers in the game would be infinitely more preferable.

Apparently, Sven was dubbed the "successful failure" in Italy which is kind of apt considering his decent stats in the England job but his total inability to challenge for honours.

[fattyboombatty]

i want him sacked and the FA to do WHATEVER it takes to get a winning manager. if they can throw 5 million at this toothless wannabe they can throw it at a real attacking passionate manager.

[Way_2_FAT]

To rub it in, the current Czech manager earns around 46K per year, that's almost 100 times less than Sven... :nuts:

[Mandrill]

Sven is over rated and always has been IMO.

[Mark B]

To rub it in, the current Czech manager earns around 46K per year, that's almost 100 times less than Sven... :nuts:

How the hell did Sven manage to make the FA believe that he was worth £4m/year? Is it the stupid fact that he led England to their first win over Argentina in years? Sounds kinda expensive for a dreary win from another dodgy penalty from Beckham.... Loads of hype but llittle to show for it (a bit like England then :( )

[misterman]

SAck the idiot. Solari to be our next manager.

[Welshlad]

SAck the idiot. Solari to be our next manager.
Not sure Real Madrid would be too happy about one of their midfielders leaving to become england manager :?: ;)

[misterman]

Not sure Real Madrid would be too happy about one of their midfielders leaving to become england manager :?: ;)

You obviously don't know nowt about footy. Solari is the Brazilian Portugal Manager. A great tactician. Wait...wasn't Sven appointed because of his tactical know-how?

sAck Sven now.

[Pisces Iscariot]

You obviously don't know nowt about footy. Solari is the Brazilian Portugal Manager. A great tactician. Wait...wasn't Sven appointed because of his tactical know-how?

sAck Sven now.
No, that would be Big Phil Scolari. Solari is an Argentine winger. :p

[Welshlad]

You obviously don't know nowt about footy. Solari is the Brazilian Portugal Manager. A great tactician. Wait...wasn't Sven appointed because of his tactical know-how?

sAck Sven now.

Classic!
:lol:

[Mandrill]

No, that would be Big Phil Scolari. Solari is an Argentine winger. :p


Damn you I wanted to be the smart ass to point that out :razz: :p :lol:

[Mark B]

You obviously don't know nowt about footy. Solari is the Brazilian Portugal Manager. A great tactician.

Such ignorance wrapped in sheer arrogance - :lol:
A word of advice: Before making such rash statements at other forumites, check your facts and read their posts carefully (the ;) should have been a give away)

[misterman]

Such ignorance wrapped in sheer arrogance - :lol:
A word of advice: Before making such rash statements at other forumites, check your facts and read their posts carefully (the ;) should have been a give away)

That's not the point. For the sake of the nation, Sven must be sacked. Twice now he has outwitted by Scolari.

[Mark B]

That's not the point. For the sake of the nation, Sven must be sacked. Twice now he has outwitted by Scolari.

Of course it's not the original point - but you made it the point by attacking Welshlad and demonstrating your own lack of knowledge in the process.... So you were expecting we'd all let it slide? Sorry mate - wrong place ;) Besides you're only 15 posts in to your stay here so starting all guns blazing is hardly the smartest of moves. Relax, disagree politely and most of all realise that this is one of the friendliest forums on the web.

FWIW, I agree with you that Sven is a joke but the FA was stupid enough to give a 4m a year contract so they're going to have to stick with him or put together a rather expensive firing package for Sven.

[bob_bob]

That's not the point. For the sake of the nation, Sven must be sacked. Twice now he has outwitted by Scolari.


Outwhitting by making a sub? woo.. its all rubbish anyway, its like a marketing managers job, its all airy fairy gibberish.

[Mark B]

Outwhitting by making a sub? woo.. its all rubbish anyway, its like a marketing managers job, its all airy fairy gibberish.

I don't think Sven was beaten by anyone but his own defensive tactics. What annoys me slightly is that if he had achieved the impossible and won the tournament he would have been hailed a genius despite playing some of the dullest football about. So now he's failed, there's all this talk of firing him. I think he should have never been employed but I'm not sure chopping and changing has ever helped the national side. So I don't know what's the best thing for the team...

[misterman]

[QUOTE=Mark B]Of course it's not the original point - but you made it the point by attacking Welshlad and demonstrating your own lack of knowledge in the process.... So you were expecting we'd all let it slide? Sorry mate - wrong place ;) Besides you're only 15 posts in to your stay here so starting all guns blazing is hardly the smartest of moves. Relax, disagree politely and most of all realise that this is one of the friendliest forums on the web[QUOTE]

Fair Enough

:D

[Mandrill]

I think this article gives a very good view to Svens failings.

Why it's time for Sven to go

Eriksson is wasting England golden generation

Rob Smyth

Friday June 25, 2004

Sven Goran Eriksson: doesn't trust his players enough

Fatalism has always been an essential part of English sport, and it is in evidence everywhere again today: 'the same old story' ... 'debatable refereeing' ... 'fing penalties' .... 'some things just aren't meant to be' etc. Yet the assumption that England were somehow predestined to lose is naïve and fundamentally flawed.

The reason for England's failure is quite simple. It was not the referee, it was not a puddle of mud on the penalty spot, and, after 120 minutes in which they were for the most part given the run around, it was certainly not bad luck. It was yet another rank display of tactical cowardice from Sven-Goran Eriksson.

Three asinine substitutions were bad enough, but the negative philosophy that underpinned them was what lost England this match. It is a philosophy that has defined Eriksson's reign as England coach, and is the reason why he can take this side no further.

As the dust settled, the precedent to cite was Argentina 1998, yet Sweden 1992 held more relevant parallels: England met the hosts in a do-or-die contest, took an early lead, sat increasingly deep after half-time, and slowly, surely lost their grip on the game. But England do not have David Batty at right-back anymore. They do not have Neil Webb in midfield. And they do not have loose cannons like Tony Daley.

England now have their best crop of players at least since Italia 90, arguably way beyond that. Yet under Eriksson they play as underdogs, defending grimly and trying to scavenge a lead through a set piece or a defensive mistake, before defending even deeper. It is akin to walking home through the meanest streets of the Bronx: your pulse quickens, you look nervously at the clock and hope rather than expect to get home unscathed.

England got there against Argentina two years ago, and against Turkey last October, but they were always going to get duffed up eventually. It happened against France, and it happened again last night. The substitution of Phil Neville for Paul Scholes was a diabolical admission that England were no longer particularly interested in scoring. Ashley Cole may have been at breaking point against Ronaldo, and in need of support, but why not switch Scholes with Steven Gerrard?

There is a precedent here: in Milan in 1999, Manchester United were one goal ahead and the subject of a furious assault from Internazionale that was infinitely greater that Portugal's last night. Yet Sir Alex Ferguson took off Ronny Johnsen - a makeshift midfielder in the Phil Neville mould - and replaced him with Scholes.

It wasn't rocket science: Ferguson knew that Scholes would help United keep the ball better, and thus run down the clock much more easily. To ice the cake, Scholes scored the goal that killed the game. That substitution, and last night's, demonstrate the difference between great managers like Ferguson and Arsene Wenger (who himself took a long time to lose his penchant for negative substitutions), and decent ones like Eriksson and Gerard Houllier.

It did not take hindsight to show that Eriksson blundered badly with all three substitutions. Owen Hargreaves for Gerrard with less than ten minutes left was a horrible example of the execrable hope-for-the-best switch. In a league or group game it is just about acceptable - the worst that can happen, in theory, is that your opponent will equalise - but in a knockout game it is potentially fatal: if you concede, you are then saddled with a weakened side, and one that is geared to do nothing but defend, for extra-time.

England's equaliser was essentially freakish, testament to their relentless spirit, and inevitably from a set-piece. They scored 10 goals in four games despite Eriksson's tactics. How many would they have scored by using their front six properly? He is wasting England's golden generation.

Eriksson also blundered in bringing on Darius Vassell yet, in a sense, all our hands are dirty here. The constant comic carping at Emile Heskey has undermined him completely, but he was the correct replacement for Wayne Rooney last night. Aside from his goals, Rooney offers England two things: the guile to link the play, and the strength to hold the ball up. England needed to replace at least one of those qualities, either by dropping Scholes into the hole (and bringing on Hargreaves to support Cole), or by bringing on Heskey. Instead we got Vassell, a Michael Owen clone who hardly had a kick. The ball simply came back quicker, faster and, inevitably, the defence eventually cracked.

It may seem harsh to criticise Eriksson, who has taken England to back-to-back quarter-finals, but he has much greater riches at his disposal than previous England managers. Beckham only has one more major tournament left before he is finished at the top - if he isn't already - as do Scholes and the awesome Sol Campbell. Eriksson, like Nasser Hussain with the English cricket team, stopped the bleeding - but he can take this team no further. He transparently does not trust his players to outplay top-class opponents. It is time the FA found somebody who does

[Mark B]

Fair Enough

:D

Mmm - I think my post may have sounded a little angrier than I wanted it to be and probably didn't sound the friendliest when saying this was the friendliest forum about. Sorry for that - welcome to the forums BTW :)

[fattyboombatty]

I think this article gives a very good view to Svens failings.

that is bang on, that. sven out, now. let's get this over with quickly so we can use the players that dying to play good football, for the world cup in germany.