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You know what I mean.
Whether you are the humble owner of Proiline DVD player or have had half your house converted to include a 50ft projection screen - you definitely own this disc:
Star Wars The Phantom Menace
Would be my guess.:)
Kevin Harper
02-11-2001, 06:58
Not me Mate ! And I'm sure 1000's of fans of cinema would agree.....
I own SW:TPM and I would have thought that all home cinema enthusiasts would own it. Here are a couple more - in no particular order:
The Rock
Face/Off
Con Air
T2:UE
Saving Private Ryan
Enemy of the State
The Matrix
Se7en
Armageddon
Snake Eyes
Fight Club
Note: Most of those are action films - simply because they benefit the most from crystal clear transfers (& I love action films).
PS - Don't argue with my list. :argue::nuts:
Originally posted by Ono
You know what I mean.
Whether you are the humble owner of Proiline DVD player or have had half your house converted to include a 50ft projection screen - you definitely own this disc:
Star Wars The Phantom Menace
Would be my guess.:)
Well I don't have a copy, and I am not going to buy one
either.
:lurk: :zzz:
Don't own TPM and I never plan too. In fact if I ever recieve it as a gift I intend to give it away. :lurk:
Len.
Confucius
02-11-2001, 07:27
I think the only certainty of Home Cinema is that there is no film that everyone owns (or will own).
:brickwall
(And yes, I do own Episode 1).
must be...
search for the snow leopard ;)
I think Ono means, what film *should* every home cinema fan own to 'show off' their system.
I would agree that SW:TPM is probably one of the best example discs out BUT the film isn't (as a 25st American women on Jerry Springer would say) 'all that'.
Kevin Harper
02-11-2001, 07:51
Originally posted by Bolch
I think Ono means, what film *should* every home cinema fan own to 'show off' their system.
I would agree that SW:TPM is probably one of the best example discs out BUT the film isn't (as a 25st American women on Jerry Springer would say) 'all that'.
Oh Right ! If we are talking DVD's purely to show off the medium in a home cinema then I would choose the following.
Toy Story
Se7en
Fight Club
as great examples of superb transfers of modern films
and
Citizen Kane
North By Northwest
to show how older movies can (and should) look !
Michael Brooke
02-11-2001, 08:53
Why on earth would I want to buy the DVD of a film I have no intention of ever watching?
In any case, the picture is reputedly far from state-of-the-art - and I really notice excessive edge enhancement on my 43" telly!
So I think I'll stick with <I>Toy Story 2, Shrek</I> and other titles that really do show off my system to perfection - and which are sensationally good films into the bargain.
So I think I'll stick with Toy Story 2, Shrek and other titles that really do show off my system to perfection - and which are sensationally good films into the bargain.
While those are excellent titles, I don't think they show it off too well as it's not a 'real' film.
Arch Stanton
02-11-2001, 09:03
Why on earth would I want to buy the DVD of a film I have no intention of ever watching?
True, im pretty sure you'd hate the film but i do recomend that you watch the 'making of' documentry on the 2nd disc. It's surprisingly very candid especially for such a high profile movie and i'd put it on a par with the excelent 'Hamster factor' documentry on the 12 monkeys.
Anyway back to showing off your kit.
The bug city section of 'a Bugs life' always works for me.
Creamstick
02-11-2001, 10:07
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Why on earth would I want to buy the DVD of a film I have no intention of ever watching?
Why do you have no intention of watching it? This seems to be an a-typically closed minded stance from you Michael, and I would have thought better of you.
Who knows, you might even like it! It's not illegal, immoral or bad for your teeth, so why not?!
There's room for every type of film in someones heart my friend, open yours to rampant commercialism! ;)
I dont own Phantom Menace.. and I wont be buying it.
But I think some titles like:
The Matrix
Fight Club
Toy Story
seem to be popular with many forum members..
wide_inside
02-11-2001, 10:28
I'd suggest that the majority of people probably have Bladerunner. And also that they are probably a little dissapointed with the quality.
wide
Originally posted by Bolch
So I think I'll stick with Toy Story 2, Shrek and other titles that really do show off my system to perfection - and which are sensationally good films into the bargain.
While those are excellent titles, I don't think they show it off too well as it's not a 'real' film.
i'd disagree here, the pristine quality of the image in both these films is jaw dropping to someone whose never seen the power of dvd.
i'd disagree here, the pristine quality of the image in both these films is jaw dropping to someone whose never seen the power of dvd.
Completly agree that the quality is 'jaw dropping' BUT, thats because they've been created and transferred to the medium digitaly. If I had a home cinema (not a poxy 14" Bush :D) then yes I'd show those films, but I'd want to show them a proper film first that's been 'cleaned up' for the DVD. That way it can be compared to a VHS version. TS and Shrek both (well I imagine) would look good on vhs so the difference between VHS and DVD would be negligible to someone whose already experienced them on VHS.
Originally posted by Bolch
TS and Shrek both (well I imagine) would look good on vhs so the difference between VHS and DVD would be negligible to someone whose already experienced them on VHS.
'Fraid not - I have both Toy Story and A Bug's Life on VHS and DVD and I can tell you that both films are jaw-droppingly better on DVD than VHS, with the latter film being outstanding in every respect.
I would suggest that if you're looking for a modern film that really shows off the picture, the R2 The Road Home would be hard to beat.
If you want music too, the Mats Ek Sleeping Beauty from ArtHaus - although I've only seen the bit from the sampler (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/index.cgi?html=y&id=reviews/other/arthaussampler.html) - has an astounding picture.
Don't have TPM and probably won't get it.
I think a lot of People might have Gladiator though. Was a big seller and is a good showcase for sound.
As said Matrix is also a popular one although the transfer doesn't really impress. Toy story is jaw droppingly sharp and nice since it fills a 16:9.
:)
I've said it before, I am saying it now, and will say it again - a film which really shows off the dvd medium is "Hollow Man". It has a striking transfer and surround sound works fantastically.
Creamstick
02-11-2001, 11:52
I usually use the 'Battle of Carthage' from Gladiator, the 'Which car company do you work for?' scene in Fight Club, and the THX logo animation from Toy Story.
Ben Martin
02-11-2001, 11:53
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Why on earth would I want to buy the DVD of a film I have no intention of ever watching?
don't take this the wrong way, but .... i still don't understand why you're so adamantly against watching it? surely being told by others (however many) that it's a bad movie isn't enough to prevent you, of all people, from watching it and making up your own mind?
for all its many faults episode I is a great piece of cinematic entertainment and never pretends to be anything more - and it's far, far better than shrek imho. why not rent it? tell you what, if you hate it i'll give you the money back for it! :)
There isn't and can't be a film that every home cinema fan owns, but I suspect the nearest to it is The Matrix or Se7en or The Exorcist or something like that.
Originally posted by Ben Martin
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
why not rent it? tell you what, if you hate it i'll give you the money back for it! :)
Michael Brooke - Go and use your intelligence to find a ridiculously overpriced rental copy, hate it, and then ask for the cash back.
Or better still, find a cheap rental copy and then ask for an extortionate amount back! :p
I havent got SW: TPM either, Im waiting for the 10th Star Wars Definative Super Deluxe Amazing You Need This One Box Set.
Michael Brooke
02-11-2001, 12:04
I've seen roughly twenty minutes, courtesy of it being on permanently in my local video shop circa Easter 2000, and have no desire whatsoever to see any more.
I'm sure there's all sorts of mythic resonance for <I>Star Wars</I> fans, but as that doesn't apply to me, all I can see is a very loud, irritatingly flashy film aimed at small and preferably American children. And infantile sci-fi does little for me at the best of times (<I>The Clangers</I> excepted, of course).
In any case, why are people so obsessed with this subject? God knows there are <U>thousands</U> of films that you've neither seen nor have any desire to see, so why is it such a big deal if I choose not to see this one?
Ben Martin
02-11-2001, 12:04
Originally posted by Paul490
Michael Brooke - Go and use your intelligence to find a ridiculously overpriced rental copy, hate it, and then ask for the cash back.
Or better still, find a cheap rental copy and then ask for an extortionate amount back! :p
no offence, but i just wanted to post again as i feel what you have posted may unintentionally devalue my post above and might make MB take it the wrong way. i added the smiley to make it clear i wasn't trying to be arsey in any way, not because i was having a joke at MB's expense. it was a serious post and i would be very interested to see what he would make of it after all this time.
that said, he ain't going to watch it purely because any of us want him to, and nor should he.
Ben Martin
02-11-2001, 12:11
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
God knows there are thousands of films that you've neither seen nor have any desire to see, so why is it such a big deal if I choose not to see this one?
indeed, a very fair point. despite considering myself a bit of a film buff my 'pedigree' is extrememly lacking in many areas! however, i guess i was asking because you fairly regularly mention your lack of desire to see episode I without any direct prompting. whereas i wouldn't even think of mentioning my lack of desire to watch, say, the red shoes - although by all accounts i really ought to get myself a copy of this. that said, with the number of threads around which mention episode I i suppose it's pretty hard to avoid mentioning your position on it sometimes. fair enough.
Michael Brooke
02-11-2001, 12:14
I respond to assumptions that:
(a) everyone on the planet has seen it;
(b) everyone on the planet <U>should</U> see it;
(c) everyone on the planet should buy the DVD
(d) your life isn't complete unless you've seen it
...nothing more! :D
RoboCop4
02-11-2001, 13:20
Ono, maybe you'd better change the title of this thread to, "Why doesn't Michael Brooke want to watch The Phantom Menace? Please discuss." ;)
Anyway, I think that TPM is too naff a film (regardless of the disc quality) to be in <u>everyone's</u> collection. I'd say that either Gladiator, Jaws, Fight Club or The Godfather boxset are more likely candidates. Well, except this (http://www.play.com/covers/95296m.jpg), or course!
Saving Private Ryan DTS springs to mind as one disc every home cinema fan should own. Really does the business on a large W/S TV with a decent amp and surround setup.
As to Michael and his dislike of TPM, if I can sit through around 3 1/2 hours of the insomia cure that is Solaris, I think he can summon up the will to sit through 2 hours of TPM. Once you've done that, and only then do you have the right to slag off the movie. Until that time, your opinion ain't worth diddly squat. :brickwall
I'd have to say ST: TPM. No one will make me change my mind, amn excellent, completely packed disc.
What I meant was:
You have a DVD player.
You are a home cinema enthusiast.
You love films.
You love what DVDs have over VHS.
You must surely have purchased XXXXXXX because it is the epitome of what your hobby has to offer.
I suppose that many people did see TPM in the cinemas and hated it therefore have not bought it on DVD.
I have it!!
Surely EVERYONE has:
Armageddon ?
I have 2 copies!!
Aardvark
02-11-2001, 17:28
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
...infantile sci-fi does little for me at the best of times...
But I thought you liked Alien Resurrection? ;)
Gary Couzens
02-11-2001, 17:34
Originally posted by Ono
I suppose that many people did see TPM in the cinemas and hated it therefore have not bought it on DVD.
Exactly. I saw it in the cinema for any number of reasons ("because it's there" being a valid one to my mind) and didn't like it at all. So I have no intention of buying the DVD.
In fact, of the titles mentioned in this thread, the only ones I own (in a collection of over 250) are the R1 <i>Fight Club</i>, the R2 2-disc <i>Se7en</i> and the Criterion R0 <i>Red Shoes</i>.
Originally posted by Ono
I have it!!
Surely EVERYONE has:
Armageddon ?
I have 2 copies!!
oh you are joking aren't you??!!! That runs very close to being one of my most hated films of all time - it's just unbelievably awful!!
Idle Child
02-11-2001, 20:02
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
I'm sure there's all sorts of mythic resonance for <I>Star Wars</I> fans, but as that doesn't apply to me, all I can see is a very loud, irritatingly flashy film aimed at small and preferably American children. And infantile sci-fi does little for me at the best of times (<I>The Clangers</I> excepted, of course).
An excellent summary of TPM. I know it's tosh, but for some mythic resonance i still own it, and i realise it's loud, irritating, flashy and is aimed at yankie children. ... oh well.. :(
Originally posted by mjb1975
oh you are joking aren't you??!!!
I never jest.:argue:
Creamstick
02-11-2001, 20:47
Originally posted by Ono
I have it!!
Surely EVERYONE has:
Armageddon ?
I have 2 copies!!
Can't stand it (except for Steve Buschemi). Saw it at the cinema, bought it for my mum on video, then last xmas got it for her on DVD. I've seen it enough times, without having to see it on my shelf every day.
On a related note, I absolutely hated John Carpenter's Vampires the first time I saw it, enough to deride it at every opportunity in threads like this. I traded for it in the Classifieds of this very forums because I wanted to see it again, with a little time between viewings, and now regard it as superb. A return to for for Carpenter after Children of the Damned and Escape from LA. Roll on Ghosts of Mars!!!!
I don't own and will not buy TPM.
I do own The clangers.
Nuff said.
Boink!:cool:
Why we got a Jamie Oliver Smilie then???222 =>:p
Jimmyboy
03-11-2001, 00:37
I find it amusing that people like to make SW:TPM top of their sh1tlist (often without viewing it) yet would use Gladiator as an example instead, Even though Gladiator suffers from nearly all the same faults as TPM.
Besides, I thought it was common knowledge that if you want to show off your home cinema system, you watch the bank job scene from Heat.
Ben Martin
03-11-2001, 01:53
Originally posted by jamesking420
I'd have to say ST: TPM. No one will make me change my mind, amn excellent, completely packed disc.
james, do you mean ST: TMP or SW: TPM? i'm confused and hoping you mean the latter but not sure! :)
Originally posted by Ono
You know what I mean.
Whether you are the humble owner of Proiline DVD player or have had half your house converted to include a 50ft projection screen - you definitely own this disc:
Star Wars The Phantom Menace
Would be my guess.:)
No chance, I watched it at the cinema and would only watch it again if I was paid to do so.
robbiejm
03-11-2001, 09:52
Originally posted by Ono
Surely EVERYONE has:
Armageddon ?
I have 2 copies!!
I have no copies, because I think it sucks.
:p
robbiejm
03-11-2001, 09:57
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
I find it amusing that people like to make SW:TPM top of their sh1tlist (often without viewing it) yet would use Gladiator as an example instead, Even though Gladiator suffers from nearly all the same faults as TPM.
Gladiator hasn't got Jar Jar Binks in it though.
Tristan H
03-11-2001, 10:17
I'd have to go for Toy Story 2 , Gladiator and Se7en . Great films on DVDs that are quite sensational. While TPM may be reference quality for visuals and sound, the film still lacks a great deal and if the film isn't up to the challenge then the DVD as a whole isn't either. It has great individual moments, but I'd never use it is a demo of my system if I had to play the whole film through to the end.
Michael Brooke
03-11-2001, 10:34
<B>As to Michael and his dislike of TPM, if I can sit through around 3 1/2 hours of the insomia cure that is Solaris, I think he can summon up the will to sit through 2 hours of TPM. </B>
If it turned up on telly, I might give it a go out of curiosity, but I'm certainly not spending twenty-odd quid! (<I>Solaris</I> cost me a lot less!)
<B>Once you've done that, and only then do you have the right to slag off the movie. Until that time, your opinion ain't worth diddly squat.</B>
True, but where have I slagged it off?
Michael Mackenzie
03-11-2001, 10:35
The Rock, The Scream Trilogy and The Iron Giant.
Cap'n Al
03-11-2001, 11:18
Try...none!
Michael Brooke
03-11-2001, 12:15
Oh, and I haven't seen - and don't intend to purchase - <I>Armageddon</I> either!
Ben Martin
03-11-2001, 12:25
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Oh, and I haven't seen - and don't intend to purchase - Armageddon either!
an altogether more commendable position! :) it really is, imho, complete and utter tripe. that said, when i saw it with Grover at the cinema we were literally rolling out of the seats with laughter. so many unintentionally hilarious (laughable) scenes - i have never laughed so hard at a film, or even with a film for that matter!
If it turned up on telly, I might give it a go out of curiosity, but I'm certainly not spending twenty-odd quid! (<I>Solaris</I> cost me a lot less!)
Are you saying no-one you know has a copy of either the EP1 DVD or even VHS you could lend? And if you had to pay £20, you're obviously looking in the wrong places.
True, but where have I slagged it off?
Let's say you're not exactly complementary in your comments regarding the movie. Slagging off in my book.
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Oh, and I haven't seen - and don't intend to purchase - <I>Armageddon</I> either!
Again, have you actually seen the whole movie? If not, your opinion holds no credibility. Is it the movie you don't like or the Director Michael Bay? I seem to recall some less than complimentary comments regarding him too.
I've watched the movie, and own the Criterion edition DVD. Harmless no-brainer. The kind of movie you watch when there's nothing else on TV and don't want to be stretched intellectually.
Originally posted by cervaro
Again, have you actually seen the whole movie? If not, your opinion holds no credibility. Is it the movie you don't like or the Director Michael Bay? I seem to recall some less than complimentary comments regarding him too.
I've watched the movie, and own the Criterion edition DVD. Harmless no-brainer. The kind of movie you watch when there's nothing else on TV and don't want to be stretched intellectually.
Surely the only opinion he is giving is that he doesn't want to see it or own it in which case he doesn't need to have seen it to do this. That said I enjoyed Armageddon and as to the thread I'd have thought most people own Aliens (probably the boxset as we've all been able to pick it up cheap thanx to the forums ah, only £15 from woolies :) )
Gary Couzens
03-11-2001, 21:58
Not <i>Armageddon</i> for me either - saw that in the cinema (the Odeon Leicester Square). I've seen every film that Michael Bay directed and have no desire to own any of them.
One more from this thread that I do own - the <i>Aliens</i> boxset.
Michael Brooke
03-11-2001, 22:03
<B>Again, have you actually seen the whole movie? If not, your opinion holds no credibility. </B>
I think you're forgetting what this thread is about - it's claiming to list DVDs that every serious home cinema buff should own. There's no question I fall into that category, but I don't own <I>Armageddon</I> or <I>The Phantom Menace</I>, and nor do I intend to.
<B>Is it the movie you don't like or the Director Michael Bay? I seem to recall some less than complimentary comments regarding him too. </B>
Come up with specific quotes and I'll elaborate - but I suspect you're either relying on a faulty memory or just jumping to over-hasty conclusions (I've only seen one Bay film - <I>The Rock</I> - and I honestly don't recall ever commenting on it here).
Slightly off topic,but my new demo disc is the dream sequence from the 2nd disc of Final Fantasy.
The film itself,although looking excellent,was slightly dull for my liking,but the dream sequence is the perfect way to show the disc off.
I have a copy of The Phantom Menance but it's for the kids, honestly.
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
.... Come up with specific quotes and I'll elaborate - but I suspect you're either relying on a faulty memory or just jumping to over-hasty conclusions (I've only seen one Bay film - <I>The Rock</I> - and I honestly don't recall ever commenting on it here).
You should be a politician Michael for the way you reply to questions sometimes. ;)
I'll remember to start a log file of all your posts so I can quote you directly in future, with date, time, thread title, etc. Very argumentitive are some of Northerners. :D
Oh, and I have near perfect recall of most things from the age of 3 onwards, plus the thread title asked for films owned, not films you didn't want to own. And yes, I'm reciprocating your pedantry. :eek:
Back to the thread, I'd say most home cinema fans do own copies of The Phantom Menace, Gladiator, Armageddon, Saving Private Ryan, etc. given the sales figures widely published. I've got all of them, plus some less commercial titles such as Amarcord, A Single Girl, the Jacques Tati Criterion editions, etc. I like a wide range of movies and will buy a movie even if I don't like the publisher, actors, directors, etc.
Originally posted by cervaro
Back to the thread, I'd say most home cinema fans do own copies of The Phantom Menace, Gladiator, Armageddon, Saving Private Ryan, etc. given the sales figures widely published. I've got all of them, plus some less commercial titles such as Amarcord, A Single Girl, the Jacques Tati Criterion editions, etc. I like a wide range of movies and will buy a movie even if I don't like the publisher, actors, directors, etc.
Well here is another person who will never buy SW:TPM. I saw it at the cinema and hated it so why on earth would I want to waste any money on the disc just for the extras?
:confused:
Ben Martin
05-11-2001, 00:51
Originally posted by PaulaB
I saw it at the cinema and hated it so why on earth would I want to waste any money on the disc just for the extras?
exactly. a highly commendable position on a very bizarre practice that is commonly found on these forums - the "yeah, the movie is ****, but what a disc!!!" mentality.
okay, each to their own but regardless of extras, surely it's about the movie at the end of the day?? and if it's bad, why on earth would you part with cash for it?? particularly in cases where the purchaser doesn't even like it! :eek:
all that said, cervaro's point with MB is that he hasn't seen the movie but states a strong aversion to purchasing it (though fair enough), which is quite different to your situation.
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