View Full Version : Pearl Harbor DC- now it's up to 4 discs!
Cap'n Al
01-11-2001, 15:41
For those who actually liked the film (at last count, me, Jez, and about 2 other people ;)), this is highly amusing news. David Prior's comment was this:
Actually, when I mentioned that Disc 3 would be an 18, I was secretly hoping to turn it into 4 9's instead, and that is indeed what we've done. The movie and commentaries will be on discs 1 and 2, with disc 3 containing the linear-oriented supplements and disc 4 containing the more interactive oriented supplements.
4 discs were required because I couldn't bear to cut anything for time constraints -- it's all very good stuff.
Even if you didn't like the film, you have to admit this is really pushing the boundaries of the medium...
Sweet Jebus,
It was hard enough to sit through the original cut!! 4 DVD's??
Tyler
charlie angel
01-11-2001, 15:50
Originally posted by Cap'n Al
Even if you didn't like the film, you have to admit this is really pushing the boundaries of the medium...
I'm guessing it's going to be pushing the boundaries of price as well.
Originally posted by Cap'n Al
For those who actually liked the film (at last count, me, Jez, and about 2 other people ;))You can add me in that list! :p
Arch Stanton
01-11-2001, 15:52
Boy, there really polishing that turd!
:)
Being a big fan of Michael Bay (the subject matter his films deal with is often ludicrous, but is still a hugely accomplished director), I very much want to see it, but it'll be a few months before the Prince Charles Cinema can wrangle a print off the distributor!
I loved this film and the plot is no more ludicrous than my own Grandparents real life story - which, if made into a film, would cause many to dismiss it as hokum. I can't wait for the Vista version of PH.
Just my two cents!
Richie
4 discs:eek: Abit over the top which is abit like the film:) Can't wait for the over the top price either.
Originally posted by Narshty
Being a big fan of Michael Bay (the subject matter his films deal with is often ludicrous, but is still a hugely accomplished director), I very much want to see it, but it'll be a few months before the Prince Charles Cinema can wrangle a print off the distributor! What, of the director's cut?! Cool!
I saw most of this summers blockbusters apart from this one. I was put off because of the running time. I'm very much looking forward to this one. I like Michael Bay and i like his films, he's also great at audio comms, so i've no reason to believe i will not like this film.
At least reading from reviews i know what to expect, despite the poor reviews i haven't been dissuaded. I'll be renting it first to see the original cut and then hopefully get the 4 disc when it's released.
Wow, FOUR discs that does seem a bit of a monster, especially for 1 film.
Why can't they do that for Showgirls;)
Originally posted by robby
At least reading from reviews i know what to expect, despite the poor reviews i haven't been dissuaded.Sod the reviews!
I took one look at the credits...
Using the formula*
Directed by Michael Bay (Armageddon)
Written by Randall Wallace (Braveheart)
Which I both love! :o :cool:
So I went in watched Pearl Harbor and thought...
Hmmm not as good as Braveheart but better that Armageddon.
*This formula is copyright Ronseal.
George vader
01-11-2001, 18:54
What next?
A 5 disc release of"Dude, Where's My Car?"
Just out of interest, am I the only person who saw "Pearl Harbour" and actually preferred the first half to the second ? I'll probably be buying the disc.
On an almost unrelated note, has anybody else watched the hidden trailer on Cats & Dogs. Mr. Tinkles describes how this summer there will be more bombs at the box office than December 7th, 1941.
Even if you didn't like the film, you have to admit this is really pushing the boundaries of the medium... [/B]
I'd have to admit that it's really pushing the boundaries of tedium.
"Goddamn it Danny, just get me to a goddamn plane"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I want to order from Import/ ABSound but which of the 3 do i go for?
1. Commenorative - under $20
2. Vista Series - just under $30
3. Gift set - also just under $30 at AB!!
Vista is tempting but the AB price on the gift set which is $37 at Import is tempting. Let me know as soon as poss as I am having alcohol induced DVD-ordering withdrawal :nuts:
This is really pushing the boundaries of the DVD medium. A 4-disc set? Are they mad? I can't wait to see the price tag of this one!
Even if it was £20 for four discs, I wouldn't buy it. I saw it at the cinema, and it was a crap Hollywood version of a real life event. I thought it was actually very much like the awful Titanic.
...don't really understand what all the fuss is about... being of a patient nature I much prefer to wait for the 6-DVD + 2-CD ultimate Ultimate Superbit Vanadium THX dts 8.2 edition...
. . . :o . . .
This film has pretty much died away, so they want to make a massive DVD release to try and get interest in. Pathetic.
What's the point of getting a crap film with loads of extras? Extras are just extras at the end of the day.
Just Call Me Wanda
08-11-2001, 10:48
Actually, when I mentioned that Disc 3 would be an 18, I was secretly hoping to turn it into 4 9's instead, and that is indeed what we've done. The movie and commentaries will be on discs 1 and 2, with disc 3 containing the linear-oriented supplements and disc 4 containing the more interactive oriented supplements.
Tis' a funny thing.
They acknowledged the film was a big pile of poopy when they attempted to defy the critics because they are wrong and it's the audience that matters - so the film nearly died on critical slamming but died a few days later from terrible word of mouth.
NOW, they know the film is poor they're trying to flog it off with a quantity over quality FOUR disc set. The extras might be good, but they're having a laugh if they think anyone who doesn't like the film will buy because of the loaded set!
Lex Luthor
08-11-2001, 12:22
Originally posted by utero
I'd have to admit that it's really pushing the boundaries of tedium.Indeed, this is one disc I won't be buying.
The TV ads for the VHS rental version say that PH is the biggest film of 2001 at the worldwide boxoffice - is this true?
As for word of mouth - I've been telling everyone since I saw it just how much I loved it!
And I agree with Mike - I did much prefer the first half!
Maybe I'm just a big softie but it made me well up!
Richie
danielod
08-11-2001, 14:04
Originally posted by Richie
The TV ads for the VHS rental version say that PH is the biggest film of 2001 at the worldwide boxoffice - is this true?
From what it says here (http://us.imdb.com/Charts/worldtopmovies) Pearl Harbour is the first film released in 2001 to appear on the list so they are technically right.
I enjoyed the film personally, mainly cos I am a big fan of Micheal Bays directing, but it could have been half an hour shorter without anyone noticing, as it would have left out some of the waffle.
Dan
I think about the film and when I saw it at the cinema. It was a terrible, waffling war/love story film. Far too melodramatic. I hate it. The critics were right - it is crap.
Even if this does get released on DVD in a massive set, I expect it will just die away on the bargain shelves. :clap:
Vinyl-Pants
08-11-2001, 14:26
This IS the worst film Ive seen this year, its only about 2 hours 59 minutes too long. I felt strangely violated when I left the cinema. Quiet how they propose to fill 4 discs with this rectal discharge is beyond me. The only use I can think of for this abomination of modern cinema is to buy it for someone you REALLY dislike.
-
At least that way you can smirk in the knowledge they had to sit through 3 hours of arduous, predictable, melodramatic, historically inaccurate, poorly acted Hollywood tosh and then laugh as they trawl through 4 discs of worthless babble further reinforcing the point that this film makes Titanic look good.
Surely you may consider it if the Director's Cut is actually far better?
Vinyl-Pants
08-11-2001, 14:39
Originally posted by john316
Surely you may consider it if the Director's Cut is actually far better?
Maybe, if the Directors cut was by a different director with a different script, different actors and an end product resembling something more akin to entertainment rather than torture.
it's being packaged with a free kamikaze head band.
to be worn during viewing.
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Maybe, if the Directors cut was by a different director with a different script, different actors and an end product resembling something more akin to entertainment rather than torture.
Did you actually like Michael Bay movies like The Rock and Bad Boys before Pearl Harbor?
I would only watch this piece of @@@@ing trash ever again if I was paid a serious amount of cash to do so. And they must give me earmuffs and a blindfold.
Originally posted by lorenzo
I want to order from Import/ ABSound but which of the 3 do i go for?
1. Commenorative - under $20
2. Vista Series - just under $30
3. Gift set - also just under $30 at AB!!
Vista is tempting but the AB price on the gift set which is $37 at Import is tempting. Let me know as soon as poss as I am having alcohol induced DVD-ordering withdrawal :nuts:
... so still no answers but I get the feeling, just, that maybe I should go for option 4. and leave it well alone which is exactly what I shall do :eek:
Vinyl-Pants
08-11-2001, 17:03
Originally posted by john316
Did you actually like Michael Bay movies like The Rock and Bad Boys before Pearl Harbor?
I own neither of those nor do I ever intend to, both mediocre films - both a lot better than Pearl Habo(u)r though.
Originally posted by Paul490
I would only watch this piece of @@@@ing trash ever again if I was paid a serious amount of cash to do so. And they must give me earmuffs and a blindfold.
Funnily enough that's my exact reaction to "Titanic"!
I find it so strange that people loved that and yet hate Pearl Harbor! (and even stranger that I love PH and hate Titanic with a passion!)
4 disc's and yet there is still going to be only one version of the film on them. That is pretty dissapointing.:mad:
I hate Titanic as well... as I said I thought the style of the both were quite similar.
I think that film is massively overrated. Not in here, but loads of loons love it. I can't think why!
p_chally
08-11-2001, 19:29
I thought the directors cut was to be much less a romantic story and more action, I enjoyed the film and also like all the other films slated on this thread(the rock,armageddon,titanic and braveheart) all good non brain taxing Sunday afternoon movies, I will buy the dvd.Not exactly Fight Club or Pulp Fiction but still good enjoyable movies.:clap:
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
I own neither of those nor do I ever intend to, both mediocre films - both a lot better than Pearl Habo(u)r though.
So not an action movie man then - because you cannot be if you dismiss The Rock like that?
I very marginally prefer Titanic to Pearl Harbor, but they are both terrible movies.
You can't care about the characters. A historically accurate, realistic film of what happened would have been better, with none of the inane romantic stuff.
I can't choose which half of the film is the worst, actually.
Originally posted by Just Call Me Wanda
NOW, they know the film is poor they're trying to flog it off with a quantity over quality FOUR disc set. The extras might be good, but they're having a laugh if they think anyone who doesn't like the film will buy because of the loaded set!
I'm sure a good number of warbird enthusiasts will buy it purely for the attack sequence and all the making-of stuff about that bit - there's some superb flying, and it's a hell of a sequence.
I thought the plot was pure turd, but will certainly be buying the DVD just for the attack sequence - it'll give the surround setup a work-out at the very least, and it really is impressive flying (much of it real and not CGI!).
stantheman
08-11-2001, 20:44
Well I saw this twice at the cinema and once last night on video, which I took around to me Mums who loved it.
Yes it's no masterpiece (what is these days)
But I have seen so much worse.
I enjoyed it on the third viewing too.
If I like a film, in this case you can guess I do, then I have no problem in buying the maximum dvd possible.
I fail to see how anyone would not be interested in detailed making offs regarding the battle scenes.(Unless you hate extras)
Which I still think are the best of the year, effects wise.
So bring on your 4 disc set Bay, cos I'm buying it.
What will be interesting is what romance scenes will be cut/trimmed, as I think there was only a few minutes of gore that were lost from the original.
Vinyl-Pants
08-11-2001, 21:28
Originally posted by john316
So not an action movie man then - because you cannot be if you dismiss The Rock like that?
Thats an erroneous assumption if I ever saw one. The Rock is a mediocre action film, there are far better films within the genre which perhaps you havent seen if you rate the Rock so highly...
ronvicman
08-11-2001, 21:48
Originally posted by lexluthor
Indeed, this is one disc I won't be buying.
How about the other three:p
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Thats an erroneous assumption if I ever saw one. The Rock is a mediocre action film, there are far better films within the genre which perhaps you havent seen if you rate the Rock so highly...
Like what? I firmly believe that The Rock and Face/Off are the two finest Hollywood action movies ever and many will agree with me!
Vinyl-Pants
09-11-2001, 01:06
Originally posted by john316
Like what?!
Well for a start you go on to mention one, "Face/Off" which is a DVD I personally own and others include; True Lies, Broken Arrow, Hard Boiled, The Killer, Ronin, Starship Troopers, Heat, most of the James Bonds and more or less every HKL release todate - shall I continue?
Bad Boys is a fun thriller and a great way to waste a couple of hours. Both Will Smith and Martin Lawrence are on great form and can be appluaded for making a low budget film look like an expensive one.
The Rock is the second best Hollywood action film ever
made - after Face/Off - and is beloved by all my family, especially me! There are wonnderful performances from all involved (esp. Nicolas Cage, John Spencer and Ed Harris) who are utterly watchable.
Armageddon is a load of fun and marginally better than Bad Boys in my opinion. Steve Buscemi is hilarious; Bruce Willis and Billy-Bob Thornton deliver the perfect performances (for the film) and you can just hear Peter Stormare asking for 'anguent'.
In all these films Michael Bay has offered the perfect direction with an unadulterated style that has so many imitators but no equals.
I haven't yet seen Pearl Harbor yet, but, I will be buying the Directors Cut DVD release - four discs... Yes please!:D
disagree, all the above films are designed for the mtv fast food generation who equate loud explosions and burning rubber with a good film, all style over substance. Vacuous, utter tripe.
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Well for a start you go on to mention one, "Face/Off" which is a DVD I personally own and others include; True Lies, Broken Arrow, Hard Boiled, The Killer, Ronin, Starship Troopers, Heat, most of the James Bonds and more or less every HKL release todate - shall I continue?
Broken Arrow, Ronin and Heat (not really an action film IMO)- you think they match The Rock - you are insane man!! Broken Arrow is just abysmal!
Originally posted by martinb
disagree, all the above films are designed for the mtv fast food generation who equate loud explosions and burning rubber with a good film, all style over substance. Vacuous, utter tripe.
Well that is why action movies are successful!!!
but they can also have intelligence and believable characters:
mad max 2 or aliens anybody?
Just to horror you all i am planing on buyin both the Dec release and the Directors cut.
Not all films have to be classics and technicaly no film can be classed as a bad film if someone somewhere enjoys it cause it's done its job.
Micheal bay makes enjoyable films, thats his job, just cause he doesnt make Kubrick standard films does not make him a bad film maker.
I think you should read Empires orginal review (theatrical release) of Pearl Harbor that is a review which see's the film like it should be seen:clap:
Cheers:)
Cap'n Al
09-11-2001, 15:31
Originally posted by Madm@tt
The Rock is the second best Hollywood action film ever
made - after Face/Off
Debatable- I'd argue that Speed or Die Hard are slightly superior films, but The Rock is still terrific fun. Face/Off is, of course, a work of genius, but some people still loathe it.
daltonisbond
10-11-2001, 00:50
Originally posted by Cap'n Al
Debatable- I'd argue that Speed or Die Hard are slightly superior films, but The Rock is still terrific fun. Face/Off is, of course, a work of genius, but some people still loathe it.
Count me in for loathing Face/Off. I almost had to switch it off as I was cringing so much at the awful acting and so called "arty" type moments from John Woo. Then again I can't stand any of John Woo's US films.
I think the Rock is also overrated and is only worth watching for Sean Connery.
I do however love some action films, including Speed, Die Hard, the Rambo films and anything with Arnie in it. I though Con Air was a good movie too. And Starship Troopers is just fantastic.
I can't say I'm encouraged by some of the recent films such as the awful Gone in 60 Seconds (I think Nicholas Cage has made a lot of bad choices) and The World is Not Enough (bring back Timothy Dalton I say!!).
I suppose people like Michale Bay are just satisfying the demand for brainless movies.
Originally posted by Cap'n Al
Debatable- I'd argue that Speed or Die Hard are slightly superior films, but The Rock is still terrific fun. Face/Off is, of course, a work of genius, but some people still loathe it.
Can't argue over Die Hard being a quality movie (I prefered Die Hard 2 - I am the only person on the planet who thinks this!) -
Speed - not too sure about that but still it is a really good movie
But The Rock just has so much going for it - Cage, Connery, Ed Harris, Michael Bay and a super Hans Zimmer score (he just ripped this off for his Gladiator score a few years later).
But this whole discussion is of course your own opinion! :D
ProgressiveScan
10-11-2001, 05:52
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Well for a start you go on to mention one, "Face/Off" which is a DVD I personally own and others include; True Lies, Broken Arrow, Hard Boiled, The Killer, Ronin, Starship Troopers, Heat, most of the James Bonds and more or less every HKL release todate - shall I continue?
As ever it's more of a subjective issue - I think I could lump two of your choices: Starship Troopers and Broken Arrow (which could have the crappiest ending in action history) into the mediocre action film box as well, also one of my own personally hated films ever made is in the Bond canon (Tomorrow Never Dies).
I also hated Titanic too; no character development, inaccurate story and time-lines, some dodgy FX work (which is really what helped sell the film). But I really enjoyed The Rock, sure it's not going to win any Oscars, but Brookheimer is definitely a love/hate director.
Originally posted by George vader
What next?
A 5 disc release of"Dude, Where's My Car?"
Cooooool, I loved this film! :D
Boink!
Vinyl-Pants
10-11-2001, 16:52
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
As ever it's more of a subjective issue - I think I could lump two of your choices: Starship Troopers and Broken Arrow (which could have the crappiest ending in action history) into the mediocre action film box as well, also one of my own personally hated films ever made is in the Bond canon (Tomorrow Never Dies).
I also hated Titanic too; no character development, inaccurate story and time-lines, some dodgy FX work (which is really what helped sell the film). But I really enjoyed The Rock, sure it's not going to win any Oscars, but Brookheimer is definitely a love/hate director.
We will have to agree to disagree here; Tommorrow Never Dies is one of the strongest bonds in terms of action to date. Starship Troopers is such a watchable film because you can watch it on so many levels (maybe you thought it was a serious action flick?). Broken Arrow is not without its weaknesses, in fact it was probably the worst film I mentioned but still superior to the dull Rock.
Vinyl-Pants
10-11-2001, 17:03
Originally posted by john316
Broken Arrow, Ronin and Heat (not really an action film IMO)- you think they match The Rock - you are insane man!! Broken Arrow is just abysmal!
Hah! The Rock is such a dire movie, its a cliched mess starring an ageing Connery. The escape from the jail was just laughable, the story was poor and Harris' character was a total let down. The prison was taken over by a rogue military faction threatening chemical attacks on cities in the US and they cant even handle 1 60 year old man - preposterous. Then the general goes weak in the knees...of course. The the jail explodes in typical Hollywood fashion...due to a string of green jelly beans - of course.
Still, I can see that trying to argue the point of the Rock's mediocracy is futile considering;
I firmly believe that The Rock... finest Hollywood action movies ever
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Hah! The Rock is such a dire movie, its a cliched mess starring an ageing Connery. The escape from the jail was just laughable, the story was poor and Harris' character was a total let down. The prison was taken over by a rogue military faction threatening chemical attacks on cities in the US and they cant even handle 1 60 year old man - preposterous. Then the general goes weak in the knees...of course. The the jail explodes in typical Hollywood fashion...due to a string of green jelly beans - of course.
Still, I can see that trying to argue the point of the Rock's mediocracy is futile considering;
But the whole point of the General Hummel character is that he never intended to kill most of San Francisco - he was miguided and that gives the character that extra depth. Also, Connery is simply an older Bond thus why he kicks arse!
I don't think you ever gave The Rock a chance because you just don't like Michael Bay movies!
Vinyl-Pants
10-11-2001, 18:21
Originally posted by john316
But the whole point of the General Hummel character is that he never intended to kill most of San Francisco - he was miguided and that gives the character that extra depth. Also, Connery is simply an older Bond thus why he kicks arse!
I don't think you ever gave The Rock a chance because you just don't like Michael Bay movies!
Thats an interesting idea of character "depth". Also, FYI, I rate Armageddon good enough to own on DVD. Bad Boys is not a bad film, just not one I would want to own, certainly better than The Rock. Ive given the Rock plenty of chance - saw it at the cinema and I had it again on DVD before rapidly trading it on realising my error of judgement - thats impulse buying for you!
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Thats an interesting idea of character "depth". Also, FYI, I rate Armageddon good enough to own on DVD. Bad Boys is not a bad film, just not one I would want to own, certainly better than The Rock. Ive given the Rock plenty of chance - saw it at the cinema and I had it again on DVD before rapidly trading it on realising my error of judgement - thats impulse buying for you!
Shows how we differ - I rate Armageddon as the poorer of the three Bay movies I have seen! :D
Vinyl-Pants
10-11-2001, 18:48
Originally posted by john316
Shows how we differ - I rate Armageddon as the poorer of the three Bay movies I have seen! :D
Thats pretty evident from the fact you rate The Rock so highly - at least in Armageddon you feel some empathy with the characters there is the comedic relief mainly courtesy of Buscemi and the story, whilst far from realistic/plausible is just more interesting and gripping than The Rock.
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Thats pretty evident from the fact you rate The Rock so highly - at least in Armageddon you feel some empathy with the characters there is the comedic relief mainly courtesy of Buscemi and the story, whilst far from realistic/plausible is just more interesting and gripping than The Rock.
Buscemi is just annoying in Armageddon as are just about the whole mission crew! I was glad to see most of them die in the movie!
We will have to agree to disagree as this could rumble on for a VERY LONG TIME!
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
sure it's not going to win any Oscars, but Brookheimer is definitely a love/hate director.
Interesting as Michael Bay directed this and to date 'brookhrimer' as never directed a film.
Also Michaeal Bay is a good director
Cheers:)
ProgressiveScan
11-11-2001, 07:38
Originally posted by Jez
Interesting as Michael Bay directed this and to date 'brookhrimer' as never directed a film.
Also Michaeal Bay is a good director
Cheers:)
Whoops - yea, to clarify..
Jerry Brookheimer is a good Producer
PS: you spelt Michael Wrong, but we'll let it slip by! :D
ProgressiveScan
11-11-2001, 08:05
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Starship Troopers is such a watchable film because you can watch it on so many levels (maybe you thought it was a serious action flick?). Broken Arrow is not without its weaknesses, in fact it was probably the worst film I mentioned but still superior to the dull Rock.
Perhaps Starship Troopers worked in 1997 - but as it was passed off as a dumb action flick then, when it's really about how a facist Government controls the populous during wartime - its use of media to espouse its political and cultural agenda's (only becoming a citizen unless you sign up to the Army); again the characters including Johnny Rico and Cadet Carmen are so cardboard thin you can almost see through them; the acting's flat, even the legendary Michael Ironside (where is he nowadays) can't escape the poor direction, while the only thing that's stood the test of time is some of FX work - which the film was sold on during its release - probably a good idea too - but it just came off as a poor flick from Verhoeven - pity since he directed one of my most favourite flicks (which is also on a similar theme): Robocop.
Broken Arrow however is another kettle of fish - here it's the choice of Christian Slater and John Travolta - they just seem odd together on screen, obviously Travolta gives a over-the-top performance, but I couldn't connect with Slater as being the hero. But Arrow is just a straight-as-a-die dumb-ass action movie, rather than pushing any moral message, unlike Troopers - where the message got lost in the FX.
Vinyl-Pants
11-11-2001, 10:36
Originally posted by john316
Buscemi is just annoying in Armageddon as are just about the whole mission crew! I was glad to see most of them die in the movie!
We will have to agree to disagree as this could rumble on for a VERY LONG TIME!
Indeed, its pretty evident you dont know when to stop.
Kit_Taylor
11-11-2001, 10:39
Nearly all films are crap, and the mind boggles how it is that some ppl really like them.
Vinyl-Pants
11-11-2001, 10:54
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
But Arrow is just a straight-as-a-die dumb-ass action movie, .
Yeah I guess it was silly of me to compare a pop corn movie such as Broken Arrow to The Rock, I mean they are just so totally different, the Rock being an intelligent intellectual view on terrorism and all...
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Yeah I guess it was silly of me to compare a pop corn movie such as Broken Arrow to The Rock, I mean they are just so totally different, the Rock being an intelligent intellectual view on terrorism and all...
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Kit_Taylor
Nearly all films are crap, and the mind boggles how it is that some ppl really like them.
Nearly all films are crap?
That would be like saying all flowers are crap.....and then joining a forum that discuss's flower arranging!:confused:
ProgressiveScan
11-11-2001, 17:40
Originally posted by Vinyl-Pants
Yeah I guess it was silly of me to compare a pop corn movie such as Broken Arrow to The Rock, I mean they are just so totally different, the Rock being an intelligent intellectual view on terrorism and all...
Now you're just being pedantic.. So you're saying Broken Arrow is a pian to the ills of obtaining nuclear material by hijacking a secret plane - now when is that ever going to happen?
Oh god, what AM I saying..mmph mmph mmph....:D :D :D :rolleyes:
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