Ozzy Solo Is Better Than Sabbath!

[Thomasd]

Well I think so anyway- is it just me or is stuff like Gets Me Through, Diary Of A Madman, Crazy Train, Bark At The Moon etc is better than his stuff with Black Sabbath?

Discuss :D

[Jon]

Okay:

No.

[Thomasd]

Originally posted by Jon
Okay:

No.

What- its not just me? Or do you mean you disagree?

The word discuss normally tends to mean you need to elaborate- not just type a word in response see? :D

[Captain_Howdy666]

Surely there's no need for a discussion. As mush as I love Ozzy's solo material, it's not a patch on Sabbath and I'm sure most people will agree.

[Thomasd]

Originally posted by Captain_Howdy666
Surely there's no need for a discussion. As mush as I love Ozzy's solo material, it's not a patch on Sabbath and I'm sure most people will agree.

Thanks for contributing to the arguement :D It may well just be me then- I just think that Black Sabbath are really overrated for the music they did.

I do really like one Sabbath album mind, that being Volume 4, but stuff like Paranoid- I just think its pap!

[Captain_Howdy666]

Opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one and in this case yours is full of the brown stuff :p :mad:

[George vader]

Well I've been a fan of Ozzy/Sabbath since 1979 so......

Good Ozzy albums;

Blizzard Of Oz
Diary Of A Madman

Good Sabbath albums;

Black Sabbath
Master Of Reality
Paranoid
Vol 4 :notworthy
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

[Jon]

Sorry my response was so abrupt & ambiguous. IMO you are wrong but I don't think it is only you - Ozzy's sustained a solo career for far longer than he was in Sabbath, so plenty of people clearly enjoy what he does - :)

Problem for me is that Ozzy's a bloody awful singer - while what he did with Sabbath sounded great in that context, I don't think he cuts it as a solo act - he's no songwriter (Geezer Butler was the main writer in Sabbath) and with the exception of the late Randy Rhoads, all the musicians he's worked with tend to be somewhat generic.

By the same token, Sabbath without Ozzy doesn't work - with the one exception of Heaven & Hell - which doesn't actually sound much like Sabbath!

[profondorossoargento]

Ozzy released 2 fantastic solo albums in Blizzard Of Oz and Diary of A Madman, but Sabbath released maybe 6 excellent albums with him, oh and yes the song Paranoid is pretty awful, but one weak song over six albums ain't a bad return in my book.

[KRW]

The thing people miss with the Sabs is what excellent musicians they all were. No-one could touch them for heaviness at the time, and still, some thirty years on, they still sound fab. Also, they were quite experimental as well, lots of blues/jazz in there. Tony Iommi is a splendid and very under rated musician. King of the riff, and no mistake.

Ozzy has one or two good albums (Madman and Blizzard) as a solo artist, but on the whole it's kinda weak/American pop sort of stuff. Look at The Ultimate Sin stuff, it's quite awful. Mind, the Sabs didn't do very well once he'd left, either.

[GregB]

Originally posted by KRW
The thing people miss with the Sabs is what excellent musicians they all were. No-one could touch them for heaviness at the time, and still, some thirty years on, they still sound fab. Also, they were quite experimental as well, lots of blues/jazz in there. Tony Iommi is a splendid and very under rated musician. King of the riff, and no mistake.

Ozzy has one or two good albums (Madman and Blizzard) as a solo artist, but on the whole it's kinda weak/American pop sort of stuff. Look at The Ultimate Sin stuff, it's quite awful. Mind, the Sabs didn't do very well once he'd left, either.

I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you say but it's worth mentioning that the 2 Dio-era Sabbath albums are pretty darn good. I sawe that incarnation live twice and they were superb as were Blizzard of Ozz.

Things went off the rails for both sides after that.

[KRW]

Originally posted by GregB
I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you say but it's worth mentioning that the 2 Dio-era Sabbath albums are pretty darn good. I sawe that incarnation live twice and they were superb as were Blizzard of Ozz.

Things went off the rails for both sides after that.

Yeah, agreed, but I was never quite so keen on Mob Rules for some reason. Heaven and Hell was great, though.

"Sing me a song, you're a singer..." etc. :rocker:

[Jon]

Originally posted by KRW
Yeah, agreed, but I was never quite so keen on Mob Rules for some reason. Heaven and Hell was great, though.

"Sing me a song, you're a singer..." etc. :rocker:
If I recall, most of Heaven & Hell was written before Dio joined - the fact that there was mutual loathing between him & the remaining two Sabbath members (Bill Ward had been replaced By Vinny Appice by then) probably affected the quality of Mob Rules.

Ever hear Dehumanizer? :oh-hum: :gag:

[KRW]

Originally posted by Jon


Ever hear Dehumanizer? :oh-hum: :gag:

oh dear. I'm still not certain this was as low as they sunk. Seventh Star, as I recall, wasn't too hot. I was also conned by Headless Cross, which despite it's fine title track, was a stinker of an album.

[George vader]

I have to admit I pretty much gave up with Sabbath when Dio left and Ian Gillan joined, the 'Born Again' album and tour would have to be the lowest the band ever sank.

Saw them in 86 with Ray Gillan out of curiosity though I mainly went to see support act Accept :nuts:

[ceiberman]

Originally posted by KRW
Ozzy has one or two good albums (Madman and Blizzard) as a solo artist, but on the whole it's kinda weak/American pop sort of stuff. Look at The Ultimate Sin stuff, it's quite awful. Mind, the Sabs didn't do very well once he'd left, either.

Fair point about the Jake E Lee era but things did improve when Zak Wylde took over on guitar (possibly because he was a big Sabbath fan). No Rest For The Wicked was a return to form IMHO.

I suppose it comes to down to a question of age. I was a teenager in the late 80s so Sabbath had sort of lost their way by the time I came across them (I think Tony Martin was with them at the time). As such they never really meant that much to me - but Ozzy was still a credible recording artist back then.

[jonozz]

Tough call,being a massive fan of both :dork:

Without Sabbath,Ozzy wouldn't have existed as an artist,and Sabbath without Ozzy would have been a non starter.

It's all down to timing IMO - Sabbath hit the scene in the late 60s when there was no other sound like them - heavy as hell,gloomy and deep with killer riffs.Just what the people fed up with poppy flower power tunes wanted.

Ozzy solo on the other hand cranked it up a step in the 80s and in collaboration with some of the best musicians around turned out some classic metal - still heavy but not as doomy.
As a solo artist,he seemed far more energetic and enthusiatic about his music,and not being under Iommi's thumb meant he could call the shots for once.

The Ultimate Sin wasn't a great release,but it certainly had it's moments (Killer Of Giants?) and the videos are class ;)

Paranoid was written in a couple of hours as a filler - I'm sick of it as it's so overplayed,but considering their awesome back catalogue it's strange that it's the one track that everyone knows and relates the band to.

Can't really choose between the 2,but as long as you own -

Blizzard Of Oz
Diary Of A Madman
Black Sabbath
Vol 4
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

then you have a fantastic nights listening :thumbs:

[limey]

Ozzmosis is a classic album, anyone else agree?

[Thomasd]

Originally posted by limey
Ozzmosis is a classic album, anyone else agree?

Hell yeah, not many bad tracks on that album IMO- and Perry Mason is a classic!

Down To Earth kicks ass as well:thumbs: