View Full Version : West Indies vs. England: 3rd Test, Barbados
England have named an unchanged side for this Test. No firm news on the home side yet.
Barbados - mmmmm lovely. All I can say is I wish I could be there.
Originally posted by FBI
No firm news on the home side yet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/3585517.stm
Fidel Edwards returns instead of Adam Sanford.
Really looking forward to this test and if we play to our strengths the series could be ours :clap:
It'd be nice to see a 'white-wash' after so many heavy series defeats by the Windies but I think this test might see a West Indies win. Lara's due a big score and England whilst improved will IMO struggle to keep this level up, plus we haven't had a big batting collapse yet.
I hear what you are saying about the West Indies fighting back but I would have thought they would have done that in the last test match because lets face it you can go much lower than to be bowled out for just 47.
I am worried about Brian Lara though because he must be due a big score soon.
Lets just hope Mark Butcher can keep his good run going, Trescothick can finally gets some runs and our bowlers keep bowling that good line and length - do all this and we will win, I hope ;)
Good luck to the boys tommorow :thumbs: Hopefully there will be a few thousand England fans cheering the boys on .
Originally posted by Alan. b
I hear what you are saying about the West Indies fighting back but I would have thought they would have done that in the last test match because lets face it you can go much lower than to be bowled out for just 47.
I am worried about Brian Lara though because he must be due a big score soon.
Lets just hope Mark Butcher can keep his good run going, Trescothick can finally gets some runs and our bowlers keep bowling that good line and length - do all this and we will win, I hope ;)
Have some faith :D
Should be a good test, i agree with Alan though, i can see the West Indies coming back and they have something to prove.
Just wish i could go to the windies :(
spearce8
01-04-2004, 10:44
Anyone know what the Pitch is like :)
any scores guys? I'm guessing its started
18 for 1.
Thorpe has just dropped a catch :oh-hum:
murfer007
01-04-2004, 15:02
22/2 Ganga LBW Harmisson
71-2 at Lunch. Both the LBWs were poor decisions with Ganga's being an absolute stinker. Having said that he had been plumb in front a couple of overs before but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Lara is looking very good and despite a lot of bounce the pitch looks like a cracking batting track. I think England will be happy if they can get them out fro under 300.
I will be happy when this partnership is broken, especially getting rid of Lara. Not a bad start could have done with perhaps one more wicket.
What about that shooter :eek:
morleyian
01-04-2004, 16:53
Excuse me?! :eek:
Originally posted by morleyian
Excuse me?! :eek:
:D Jones bowled a ball on a good length just before lunch that did not get above Sarwan's ankles. If it was on line it would have been :wave: Sarwan.
Originally posted by FBI
Lara - OUT!!
:clap:
Sarwan is looking like he wants to play a long innings so if we could dismiss him quickly (well it worked with Lara :D ).
Sarwan Out :clap:
167 - 4
Can hardly hear the radio commentary for all the noise the Barmy Army are making :lol:
Another Harmison wicket :nuts:
Hinds out
179 - 5
West Indies 224 all out, Flintoff takes 5-58 his first five wicket haul in test cricket and you can not say he has not deserved it as he has been one of the unluckiest bowlers of recent match's. And what a superb session for England in removing the last 7 wickets.
Now lets hope our batsman can bat us into a strong and winning position.
Lets try and get to the close with all wickets intact :|
Well done Freddie by the way :clap:
stephentheshark
01-04-2004, 21:24
Trescothick out again, 8-1.
Wow I had been following this until tea, and left it at 150-3, really surprised to come back and see England batting. Well deserved reward for Freddie though.
Mr Silly
01-04-2004, 21:39
wow, a few hours ago when I last looked, we'd just taken the 5th wicket, but then to read Alans report :clap:
With good batting we might/should get a small lead tomorrow if we can get a partnership going. Vaughan played a few good shots tonight and if he can kick on we are in for a goof few days.
A very poor total again by the West Indies. I hate to say it but Trescothick needs to be dropped because he really just isn't cutting it at the moment. His footwork was non-existent. Hopefully he could then get some solid practice in and come back refreshed for the summer
What would you do with the order if Trescothick gets dropped !!
I could only really think of putting Butcher to open bring Collingwood in at six .
Is Strauss in the test squad :confused:
luckydip
02-04-2004, 08:07
Originally posted by rawowl
What would you do with the order if Trescothick gets dropped !!
I could only really think of putting Butcher to open bring Collingwood in at six .
Is Strauss in the test squad :confused:
I think Collingwood should be playing-good fielder and all rounder. On Treco's current form he should dropped and Butcher opening. Having said this good players often go through a lean patch but its up to the team/management to ride this out. International teams should have the depth to perform even when one player isn't doing too well. For the Windies its a case of most of the team not doing too well especially the batters :clap: But lets not forget the England bowlers!
Does anyone know if Dillon is injured or has Viv put his foot down?
To bolster up their bowling they shoud get Ambrose and Walsh back and judging on current performance Viv and some of the other greats shoud have a go and make this into a test match :D :
Originally posted by rawowl
What would you do with the order if Trescothick gets dropped !!
I could only really think of putting Butcher to open bring Collingwood in at six .
Is Strauss in the test squad :confused:
Strauss is indeed in the squad. The problem being his lack of match practice but having said that I would definately play him in the last test.
I would laso drop Giles and play Collingwood simply because Giles has done nothing on this tour and Collingwood would give more options
If we wrap it up this test then some other players should get a chance. Tresco needs dropping
They'll be no "wrapping up".. not yet, at least.
England 43/3.
Not a great first session lets hope Flintoff and Thorpe can put together a large partnership or we could be in trouble.
Errr... nope. Flintoff gone. Now at 116/5.
Oh dear...
163-8 at tea in reply to West Indies' first-innings 224.
Thorpe unbeaten on 71 and playing well, but rapidly running out of partners.
Thorpe needs just 21 runs now for a well deserved century, lets hope he can finally convert this 50 into a ton because boy to we need it.
174-8, 50 runs behind now.
luckydip
02-04-2004, 20:06
37 runs behind, isn't it time for Thorpe to have a go at the bowling? I know he's closing on his century but will the tail hold out?
Thorpe :notworthy
He has single handedly kept our innings together, out of his 13 test hundreds this has to be his best. Just 26 runs behind now.
Just Call Me Wanda
02-04-2004, 20:55
What I never understand is why Giles gets in the England team - he's just an awful player. Okay, he can bat a bit for a bowler, but as a spinner he's awful, just doesn't get any wickets.
I agree that if we get a draw or win this text match they should bring in some of the squad players for the next test and drop Treschothick. Keep Jones and Harmison, and give Anderson a chance to find himself again. And play Batty instead of Giles!
Originally posted by Just Call Me Wanda
What I never understand is why Giles gets in the England team - he just an awful player. Okay, he can bat a bit for a bowler, but as a spinner he's awful, just doesn't get any wickets.
We have had the discussion before and the general consensuses is to agree with what you have said, and it is one I certainly agree with because he just never seems to take to many wickets although to be fair to him these tracks are not for spinners.
I agree that if we get a draw or win this text match they should bring in some of the squad players for the next test and drop Treschothick. Keep Jones and Harmison, and give Anderson a chance to find himself again. And play Batty instead of Giles!
I agree with you again, Trescothick is a class batsman but he is horribly out of form at the moment. Perhaps bring in Anderson for Hogard and definitely Batty for Giles.
MaxNutter
02-04-2004, 21:06
my God, England has a wagging tail!! ... of course i've probably just jinxed it now ... sorry!
Mr Silly
02-04-2004, 21:28
Originally posted by Alan. b
to be fair to him these tracks are not for spinners.Then why play a spinner? Can understand it if you have a Shane Warne, but not if you have nothing special
I can not rate Graham Thorpe's innings highly enough, I see Sky were comparing it to Gooch's 154 not out against the West Indies back in 1991 and I would go along with that. Of course it could have been different had he been given out the first ball after tea when he looked plumb lbw.
And Mr Silly no idea, somebody in the England set up must rate him for some strange reason.
Yes Gooch was it Headingly 91 :thinking: what an inninings in a low scoring match :notworthy
Originally posted by Just Call Me Wanda
What I never understand is why Giles gets in the England team - he's just an awful player. Okay, he can bat a bit for a bowler, but as a spinner he's awful, just doesn't get any wickets.
I'm going to stick up for him :)
He is a very mediocre bowler (and he knows it), but as I see it his job in the current team isn't to take wickets (yeah I know he's a bowler but...) it is to mix up the attack.
It's always painful to watch England field 4 (or 5) seamers it always ends in tears.
We simply don't have a world class spinner at the moment, and Giles is job is to produce something different at one end with the ball and to prop up one end with the bat when we collapse (which he's done a pretty good job at in the last 15 or so tests when England have had a shocking tail).
Just to add his competitors with the ball, Robert croft etc, are better bowlers but they aren't world class 5 for bowlers, the selectors don't believe they'll have enough impact on the team performance over Giles taking 1-87 and propping one end up for 30 runs. Sad, but true.
-- Jon
Have to agree with Alan on this on what a fantastic innings it was for Graham Thorpe.
Especially after the rest of the team posted such low scores.
Roll on Day 3 :clap:
Yes, good point, forget to say, fantastic innings by Thorpe.
A real world class player, welcome back, we've missed you :) :) :)
-- Jon
West Indies 45-5
Hoggard has just taken a hat-trick. :clap:
[edited - typing all over the place due to excitement]
Matthew Hoggard - Hat Trick :clap: :clap: :notworthy :notworthy
He becomes just the 10th English bowler to take one at this level
West Indies 45-5 and are struggling, Lara is still there but it doesn't look like it is going to matter much.
81-7 when rain has once again stopped play. What a game!
Originally posted by paul_caygill
81-7 when rain has once again stopped play. What a game!
I just came into this thread to post that only to find you had beaten me to it ;)
At least we have manged to break up the annoying Best/Lara partnership, now if it would only stop raining.
mikeh1982
03-04-2004, 18:50
not a huge cricket fan, so apologies if this is normal, but Lara has just had some brutal balls bowled at him. Is that normal??
Originally posted by mikeh1982
but Lara has just had some brutal balls bowled at him. Is that normal??
This just goes to show how good we are bowling at present because Lara has an injury to his hand and if the opposition know that they will target him as this could be a weakness and could let to his dismissal.
Anyway it doesn't really matter now because Lara is out :clap:
Originally posted by mikeh1982
not a huge cricket fan, so apologies if this is normal, but Lara has just had some brutal balls bowled at him. Is that normal??
It's more usual to see England batsmen getting this sort of treatment from West Indies bowlers. A case of role reversal.
Captain your ship is sinking!!!
P.S. West Indies all out for 90 :clap:
Originally posted by FBI
P.S. West Indies all out for 90 :clap:
94 actually :dork: ;)
Superb bowling again, how many times have we said that on this tour. I wonder if our batsman will go out to try and win this tonight like what they did in the second test match, although they had to come back on the last day on that occasion. It would also be nice if Trescothick could be there at the end.
England 57-1 chasing 93 to win.
Looking forward to the Windies return tour, they will be after blood following this tour :D
Some interesting insights into West Indian cricket management from Ian Botham on the commentary. Making the point that perhaps (Sir) Richards should have more input with the team.
Is Courtney Walsh involved in coaching?
Radiohead
03-04-2004, 21:09
A few camera shots of Lord Vivian of Richards showed him looking less than happy.
I wonder if the Windies team will be out partying after this test? Or will they be hurrying away to avoid a lynch mob????? That second innings collapse would do England proud ;)
85-1 now, only need 8 more to win the match and the series. First series win against the Windies since Colin Cowdry's time. Some pretty good batting performances but the bowlers this time have been supurb. Do we now have with Harmison, Hoggard, Jones and Flintoff a serious attack that can deliver?
England win a test series in the Caribbean for the first time in 36 years :clap: :clap:
Good to see Trescothick back to form as well, although it is a shame he couldn't have smashed the winning runs.
morleyian
03-04-2004, 21:39
3-0 :clap: 1 more win please for £60 profit :thumbs:
Wow - could anyone have predicted this before the series had started, I think not:clap:
The Key is the bowling, and the fact that we have been able to choose our best bowlers and not the ones that are fit.
Heads will roll in the West Indies Cricket Board for this, I have no doubt. But a fantastic performance from the lads, hopefully setting us up for a very successful summer. I certainly hope so, now that my 5-day Headingley tickets are through :clap:
Originally posted by madstu
The Key is the bowling, and the fact that we have been able to choose our best bowlers and not the ones that are fit.
I think it is fair to say that it has been our bowlers that have one this series, our batting has been ok but nothing special.
Mr Silly
03-04-2004, 21:50
Fantastic result
gothmog - you present a good arguement for mixing the attack
As for the 4th test, do we give one or two others a run out?
Get in there you beuty you deserve it England , think of Croft, Holding, Garner, Marshell,Ambrose & Walsh . Your boys took one hell of a beating :D
Well done England :clap: :clap: :clap:
tis a shame to see the Windies batting so poorly though, Lara is obviously class but they are looking very weak, especially with Chanderpaul who is a fine player looking more out of form than Tresco ;)
Their bowling has been decent in this test though with both Edwards and Best certainly looking the business for the future bowling with pace and menace.
Hard choice now, do England go for the throat and the victory in the 4th, or take the oppurtunity to blood some younger players?
-- Jon
Foxy Slamdangle
04-04-2004, 19:52
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