View Full Version : Jeunet Box Set: Delicatessen and City of Lost Children
snowchasse
22-10-2001, 10:16
Does anyone have this yet? It was released last week. And everyone (who doesn't speak French) wants to know: Does Delicatessen have english subtitles?
Here is a link: http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005O0KQ/
Originally posted by snowchasse
Does anyone have this yet? It was released last week.
It was postponed...
Postponed?? Is that for good or indefinately??
Should I be canceling my amazon?
:(
M.
Amazon.fr should have contacted you about this delay. I received an e-mail from them on the 17th October saying:
Vous avez choisi de commander "Delicatessen - DVD double". Nous vous
avons deja fait part d'un retard dans la date officielle de parution
de cet article. Malheureusement, l'éditeur a encore une fois retarde
la date de sortie de cd DVD. Nous esperons pouvoir vous l'envoyer le
24/10/2001.
Which is saying that, although the DVD has already been delayed once, it has been delayed again, but they hope to be able to send it out 24/10/2001 - this Wednesday .
Let's hope so.
Damn... nope, I didn't get an email.... it just still says not yet dispatched in my order history....
I did notice that the DVDs separate had a release date of the 24th though....
Lets hope they don't change the english subtitles with postpone :)
M.
Originally posted by Noel M
Let's hope so.
You're a wide eyed optimist Noel :D
Is it not saying that the individual sets have been delayed, but that the box set is (supposedly) out?
Originally posted by SimonI
Is it not saying that the individual sets have been delayed, but that the box set is (supposedly) out?
This may be the case but here (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005O0KQ/qid=1003764594/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/402-8559822-6953716) Amazon.fr are saying one to two weeks for delivery of the box set.
FYI, they have all bee postponed until the 24th October.
Amazon just haven't updated their site....
Only a couple of days ago it said "available in one to two days" - now it says one to two weeks. Which in the end amounts to saying its been delayed :(
hate tank
23-10-2001, 11:47
My box set is now in stock but won't be dispatched before amazon.fr get my Total Recall tin box. However, it is still listed as having English and French sous-titres.
By the way, who owns the rights for Delicatessen and City of Lost Children in the UK ?
Arch Stanton
23-10-2001, 11:56
Well City of Lost Children belongs to ...'gulp' ...EIV in the U.K.
No idea who owns the rights to Delicatessen for the life of me i can't remember who made my old VHS copy. It was one of the art house indies, anyway.
Polgram released Delicatessen on video in the Uk. Now they are gone, who knows who has it? MGM maybe??
Michael Brooke
23-10-2001, 14:58
<B>No idea who owns the rights to Delicatessen for the life of me i can't remember who made my old VHS copy. It was one of the art house indies, anyway.</B>
It was the now defunct Electric Pictures - I worked for them at the time! But I'd be very surprised if they still held the rights ten years on, even if they were still a going concern.
the thing with no name
23-10-2001, 15:28
just had an e-mail from amazon.fr saying this has been posted!!
So hopefully will have it by end of the week/monday latest.
Lets hope it's as good as it could be!
sideshowbob
23-10-2001, 15:28
Mine's been shipped ... should be here in 3 or 4 days max! Tres bon!
snowchasse
25-10-2001, 13:31
Is it out? Anybody get this yet? Please please please let there be english subtitles on Delicatessen!
cirrus888
25-10-2001, 16:44
Its listed as no subtitles at the cinestore here. (http://www.cinestore.com/html/fiche_produits.php?groupe=1&page=1&id=9788)
Originally posted by cirrus888
Its listed as no subtitles at the cinestore here. (http://www.cinestore.com/html/fiche_produits.php?groupe=1&page=1&id=9788)
That would very bad news indeed... let's hope they're wrong!
Very bad news... Start cancelling those orders...
check out this link (http://www.musicbox.fr/musicbox/images/back/highdef/0012514.jpg)
Having had close look of the photos put online by musicbox I've found out that only COLC will have French subtitles...
No english whatsoever.... What the heck Amazon are going to do on this one is anyone's guess :rolleyes:
The boxset (http://www.musicbox.fr/musicbox/images/cover/highdef/0012516.jpg) looks wonderful though with a beautiful enamel box coming with it... I'm sorry for everyone on this lot :( although being bilingual I'm pretty jubilant that they're getting such a good release... Mixed feelings!
hate tank
26-10-2001, 05:09
Dammit, dammit, sonofabitch.
Why Canal+, why, oh why?????
:( :( :( :( :( :(
SimonInd
26-10-2001, 08:00
Has anyone actually received one of the boxsets yet? I'd like some confirmation before I start panicking....although it doesn't look good?
Amazon still have it up as having English subtitles but if this is not the case, they're looking at a few returns methinks?
Simon
sideshowbob
26-10-2001, 08:50
Absolutely insane ... we miss out on countless nice features (DTS included) on our R2 releases to fit on extra language tracks and subtitles, and those French can't even be bothered to subtitle their own language. What on earth are things coming to!
sideshowbob
26-10-2001, 08:53
Perhaps (as a hopeful footnote) those slovenly French might just have been too lazy to say there are subtitles on the case.
APPRIA40WR
26-10-2001, 09:03
:(
Very sad.
Any word on the Three Colours guys?
Oh dear. Bad news indeed. :(
Bugger... arse arse arse.......
Just got the most fantastic tin box set this morning via parcel force....
Had a look at the back and there is no mention of english subtitles.........
Arrgghhhhhh.... guess I'll open it and check it out........
Soooooo any advice on sending this thing back :(
M.
SimonInd
26-10-2001, 09:59
Perhaps (as a hopeful footnote) those slovenly French might just have been too lazy to say there are subtitles on the case.
It appears not: http://www.musicbox.fr/musicbox/images/back/highdef/0012515.jpg
:(
Oh well, looks like it'll be going back....does anyone know what amazon.fr is like regarding customer service etc.?
Simon
the thing with no name
26-10-2001, 09:59
Mine is sat on my desk infront of me as we speak.
The paper on the back of the tin doesn't say anything about Sous-titres : Anglais :mad: :(
I have e-mailed the english section of Amazon.fr (english@amazon.fr) to ask if i open the boxset (I've left it sealed so far) and it doesn't have the subtitles, can I return it for a full refund as they stated it does have them.
I'll let you know what they reply. :(
I don't want to open it until I know they will take it back.
I'd have to wait until this evening anyway to find out if it does, no DVD player at work.
I'll post as soon as I know.
Tried Delicatessen... theres no bloody subtitles at all.....
arse.....
off to amazon... I guess I'm emailing....
M.
Originally posted by APPRIA40WR
:(
Very sad.
Any word on the Three Colours guys?
For three colours, APPRIA, I'm under the impression that there won't be english subtitles. as Nick Cave would say, call it a premonition :D
The MK2 site for the trilogy is quite confusing though so I just don't know what's going down with this one for sure. But no mention of Englsih subtitles.
Originally posted by perfecta
For three colours, APPRIA, I'm under the impression that there won't be english subtitles. as Nick Cave would say, call it a premonition :D
The MK2 site for the trilogy is quite confusing though so I just don't know what's going down with this one for sure. But no mention of Englsih subtitles.
Looks like the UK version for that one then. More expensive separately and no fourth disc. :(
APPRIA40WR
26-10-2001, 11:58
perfecta
Ta mate :( :D
I've returned DVDs to Amazon.fr twice due to them not being what I wanted (opened them up too) and on both occasions I received a <u>full</u> refund (inc my return costs).
This is when the EU should be forcing distributors to have subs for all EU countries.
Gawd knows what I'm gonna do with my 50F coupon now! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by APPRIA40WR
perfecta
Ta mate :( :D
My pleasure.
BTW, you can check out the MK2 website that has the trilogy's details on it : it's here (http://www.mk2.com/trilogie/home.html).
Of course you're aware Gary that you'll be more than welcome to borrow my set (esp. if the 4th DVD does materialise! - there's no info about it on the current website)...
Originally posted by Muppet
Tried Delicatessen... theres no bloody subtitles at all.....
This has to be the most depressing thing for a long time, especially after seeing the picture posted by perfecta... :(
APPRIA40WR
26-10-2001, 12:10
Ta Mark :)
sideshowbob
26-10-2001, 12:22
Haven't even opened mine ... just stuck it in a jiffy bag, ready for posting back next week. :( Well gutted.
bddidier
26-10-2001, 12:23
Well I guess there is some advantages at being bilingual! But all the same it would make sense to have english subtitles. Perhaps there is some stupid copyrights on the sub? Even if there is regional coding there is also European subdivisions for the DVD market, and England is a market of its own (strange how Europe is supposed to be an open market but only when it do not interfere with special interests!)
Has for the boxset the French sites are less than happy with it, so not sure I will order it anyway (they just piled the dics in a box, unbelievable). But I will order the trilogy for sure.
"...This is when the EU should be forcing distributors to have subs for all EU countries..."
...ahh... would this include 'subs for all EU countries' on made-in-and-for-UK DVDs, too?... he asked, innocently...
. . . :o . . .
Originally posted by Hendrik
"...This is when the EU should be forcing distributors to have subs for all EU countries..."
...ahh... would this include 'subs for all EU countries' on made-in-and-for-UK DVDs, too?... he asked, innocently...
. . . :o . . .
Mmmm... but would that increase the costs of production? and what would be the chances that we'd get really bad ones if they have to do it? Mighty high I suspect!
Add to that that some dub fan countries may start wanting their own soundtracks on these releases and we could end up in some nonsenseical situation...But the basis of the idea is pretty good I think...
Originally posted by bddidier
Well I guess there is some advantages at being bilingual! But all the same it would make sense to have english subtitles. Perhaps there is some stupid copyrights on the sub?
Probably more like distribution rights have been signed with some UK distributor (maybe one that will give some wonderful release, will subtitle the extras and will use the French release's 5.1 mix - like Tartan :D)...
It's really irritating I know especially as the chances of a top notch UK release are slimmer than a top-model.
APPRIA40WR
26-10-2001, 13:04
Me: <font color="blue">"...This is when the EU should be forcing distributors to have subs for all EU countries..." </font>
Hendrik: ...ahh... would this include 'subs for all EU countries' on made-in-and-for-UK DVDs, too?... he asked, innocently
That goes without saying numbnuts. Innocently? Yeah right. Did Switzerland ever join the EU? Never sure cos I know they don't like joining in with 'European' matters unless it's connected to hiding stolen gold and Nazis looking for somewhere to live.
I mean that innocently and with no offence of course.
To The Man With The Unpronounceable Name:
...oh boy!... touchy, aren't we?!... bad hair day today?...
...fwiw I won't take offence, since - although I have lived in Switzerland since 1967 - I'm not Swiss, and nor am i "hiding stolen gold and Nazis looking for somewhere to live"...
The point of my previous post -which seems to have passed you by completely- is that you appear upset and bemoan the fact that the French release French DVDs of French movies with French soundtracks only (e.g. Delicatessen) ... while conveniently overlooking the fact that the British release British DVDs of British movies with British soundtracks only (e.g. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)...
...whatever...
. . . :o . . .
bddidier
26-10-2001, 14:00
Originally posted by Hendrik
To The Man With The Unpronounceable Name:
The point of my previous post -which seems to have passed you by completely- is that you appear upset and bemoan the fact that the French release French DVDs of French movies with French soundtracks only (e.g. Delicatessen) ... while conveniently overlooking the fact that the British release British DVDs of British movies with British soundtracks only (e.g. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)...
Thank you for making the point. As pointed before it's probably all to do with distribution rights.
...not only probably, but definitely!
Fortunately -for those who do not speak French- a surprising number of French-made DVDs of French (and non-French) movies do have optional English subtitles (e.g. Marcel Carné's 1936 Drôle de Drame, Jean Renoir's 1938 La Bête humaine, Jacques Becker's 1952 Casque d'or, and also Satyajit Ray's 1958 The Music Room, the Buñuel double bill of El and The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz, among others...
. . . :o . . .
... and Amazon.fr are still showing it as "Sous titres: Anglais".... wonder how long that will last? :(
sideshowbob
26-10-2001, 15:39
Originally posted by Hendrik
...not only probably, but definitely!
Fortunately -for those who do not speak French- a surprising number of French-made DVDs of French (and non-French) movies do have optional English subtitles (e.g. Marcel Carné's 1936 Drôle de Drame, Jean Renoir's 1938 La Bête humaine, Jacques Becker's 1952 Casque d'or, and also Satyajit Ray's 1958 The Music Room, the Buñuel double bill of El and The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz, among others...
. . . :o . . .
Not much consolation really ... when you want to watch Delicatessen, not half-a-dozen movies which pre-date the pill. ;)
...yeah... but those are really good movies!...
. . . :D . . .
the thing with no name
26-10-2001, 16:46
no reply from e-mails from amazon as yet:(
Package returned this evening :( :(
Still says "Sous-titres : Anglais, Français" on website!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad:
cirrus888
26-10-2001, 16:59
Originally posted by the thing with no name
Still says "Sous-titres : Anglais, Français" on website!!!
As I have learnt never trust amazon (french site anyway) to give correct details. Use cinestore instead they are much better.
Just to bring this up again before I make my final decision on keeping this frustratingly lovely looking box, has anyone taken out the disks and tried them?
The paper on the back of the box indicates that the only film with subs is City of lost children, for HOH French.
sideshowbob
29-10-2001, 07:48
Sorry Simon ... there are no English subtitles at all. Delicatessen has no subs (in any language) and CoLC has French subs for the Hard of Hearing. So, unless you speak French, it's a bit of a no-hoper.
the thing with no name
29-10-2001, 08:49
Amazon are happy to refund, I believe even if the box has been opened in this case. I recieved this e-mail this morning;
Cher Monsieur,
Merci d'avoir contacté amazon.fr au sujet de votre commande
#402-4090000-0698515.
Nous sommes désolés d'apprendre que vous n'êtes pas satisfait du vidéo
acheté sur notre site. Lorsqu'un article a été ouvert nous ne pouvons
accepter qu'il nous soit retourné à moins qu'il soit défectueux ou
endommagé.
Cependant, nous avons pensé qu'une exception pouvait être faite
dans votre cas. Vous pouvez donc nous renvoyer l'article sous
30 jours.
Merci de bien vouloir remplir le dos de la facture qui était
incluse dans votre colis, en expliquant la raison du retour et en
emballant avec précaution le paquet. Puis envoyez-le à l'adresse
suivante :
Amazon.fr
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**Important** Choisissez un mode de livraison standard pour nous
renvoyer le paquet.
Nous vous rembourserons l'intégralité du montant de l'article dès
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Cordialement,
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My french isn't too good, so with a bit of help from babelfish translating;
Dear Sir,
Thank you to have contacted amazon.fr about your command # 402-4090000-0698515.
We are sorry to learn that you are not satisfied with the video bought on our site. When an article was open we cannot accept that it is turned over to us unless it defective or is damaged. However, we thought that an exception could be made in your case. You can thus return us the article under 30 days.
Thanks for agreeing to fill the back of the invoice which was included in your parcel, by explaining the reason of the return and by packing with precaution the package. Then send it to the following address:
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I sent mine off last friday afternoon, so should get a refund sometime this week hopefully.
Such a shame, it all looked so good!
the thing with no name
29-10-2001, 08:51
website still has english subs listed!
:mad:
Feel sorry for anyone looking there and ordering.
They should have changed this by now:mad: :mad: :mad:
Thanks for the updated info guys! I've just cancelled my order.
I could probably just about manage without the subs (though if they were in French it would be easier) but would rather have them in English.
Site still shows "sous-titres: anglais, français" BTW
APPRIA40WR
29-10-2001, 10:54
When sending stuff back to Amazon make sure you get a Certificate of Posting at the PO (free of charge) -just in case!
SimonInd
06-11-2001, 08:20
Sorry for re-opening this can of worms, but I've been away for over a week and now have a lovely J&C tin sitting in my desk at work. What was the customer-service email address that you guys used to ask amazon.fr about returns ( ideally in English, but I guess I can send it through Babelfish )?
Thanks
Simon
Not fair is it? :( I was looking forward to this and had to cancel too.
All these discs come out in the UK, without DTS sound (yet the region 1 discs have it) and the excuse? The need for all the European language tracks take up the space, so there is no room for it. But we put up with it for our European cousins!!
But then the French bring out all these great discs and don't even bother with English subtitles. :brickwall
Well I say, if that's their attitude take all the foreign language tracks off UK releases and put on a DTS soundtrack, two can play at that game, that'll learn em!
Write to your MP NOW!! ;)
Originally posted by SimonInd
What was the customer-service email address that you guys used to ask amazon.fr about returns ( ideally in English, but I guess I can send it through Babelfish )?
I didn't bother - just sent the thing back with the appropriate box ticked on the back of the form and an explanation of why. That should suffice. I just hope they refund my postage (£5!).
hate tank
06-11-2001, 12:14
I think I'll keep my box set although I don't speak French at all. But the thing is just too damn beautiful and I know the films by heart already. I've just read on http://www.r2-dvd.org that EiV are going to release City of Lost Children in their budget range series. :( I suppose chances of a proper release of the Jeunet/Caro titles are now dropping below zero...
Stick to your boxes and sell them on eBay.fr in 3 years for 3 times the original price when they have long gone out of print. ;)
Fortunately my command of German is quite excellent and I am keeping my fingers crossed for an excellent subtitled release of City and Delicatessen on the German Kinowelt label - someone has to do it since Amelie has become such a major success!
Brian Blessed Badger
06-11-2001, 12:26
Remember though COLC is already a good R1 disc, and there is an R4 of undetermined quality so I wouldn't worry about that one.
Amelie is on Momentum so will probably be a reasonable disc
Deli is the only one missing :( but I'm sure I read about someone having it for the UK (I don't think it was EIV though)
Phil
Don't send the thing back!
I must admit I thought long and hard before returning my set, for those same reasons - what chance is there of any English-language distributor doing a set as lovely? But at the end of the day a set of DVDs I can't understand is just so much dust-collecting wasted shelf space (not to mention the cost!), which is why I also cancelled my pre-order for the Amelie box set... :(
I also considered the eBay idea, but couldn't be bothered in the end.
(R1 City of lost children on its way...)
I thought the French edition of Delicatessen was a bit disappointing. The packaging isn't great - it has both disks one on top of the other in the case. The film itself looks superb and it has the Jeunet commentary, which I haven't listened to yet. As everyone knows - no English subtitles, but it's disappointing that it doesn't even have French subs.
The extras are insubstantial. Most of the space on the second disk is taken up with the entire film presented again, only with a box showing storyboards in the corner. Of minimal interest for flicking through, but I couldn't see you sitting through the whole film like this. The making of documentary, Charcuterie fine is only 13 minutes long - although it is quite good and doen't really require subtitles. There are also some clips of the screen-tests of some of the actors and scouting for locations (8 mins). There are about 7 TV spots and the full-length trailer (of the 'springs' sequence) and that's about all.
A good quality UK release and you won't be missing much here.
The packaging isn't great - it has both disks one on top of the other in the case.
That's pretty poor - especially when compared to the outside box! I guess you could order a nice double Amaray off you-know-who.
But thanks for the mini-review, Noel - certainly makes sending the box back less painful... :)
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