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are there sad people out there who are waiting for the that pile of dog ******'s sequel's as i think the first film is one of the worst films ever.
i for one will not be going to see these films will anyone be joining me?
wide_inside
21-10-2001, 17:52
Nope, I thought it was wicked. I'm just upset that Jet Li decide not to do the sequels.
wide
Matt.Wild
21-10-2001, 17:54
I agree - the Matrix was pants.
That said, i'll go and see them, perhaps so that I know how bad they are, rather than assuming they will be.
The Matrix is OK. Nothing excellent, but not a terrible film. The plot is quite poor, and I hated the sleep-kiss part, but the special effects are quite good.
It's a film that you sit down to once in a while when you want to see some good action, but that's about it.
Overrated IMHO.
wide_inside: jet li said no because it is a pile of dog ******. and they offered him $4million for the part in the film and he still said no.
Originally posted by homerj
wide_inside: jet li said no because it is a pile of dog ******. and they offered him $4million for the part in the film and he still said no.
Hmm... either that's simply not true ;) or Jet Li has a knack of turning down great movie parts in favour of not so great ones, as in when he turned down the part of Li Mu Bai in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in favour of doing Romeo Must Die. Big mistake. (although I do think that was a good thing in the end seeing as how great Chow Yun-Fat was).
Edit - looking at news articles about this it seems that Li pulled out because he felt the $3 million offered to him wasn't enough.
APPRIA40WR
21-10-2001, 18:30
I loved The Matrix.
:D unfortunately no-one can be told what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself :D
Originally posted by Paul490
The Matrix is OK. Nothing excellent, but not a terrible film. The plot is quite poor, .
Overrated IMHO.
Get out of here , the film is excellent and the plot is awesome and scary. Though it had been done before
the matrix was a great film - just a fun action flick, no real need to think and also, apparently 'cool'. It was just a laugh in summer 1999 and although i dont agree with this most people rated it better than SW EP 1
amritsinghesq
21-10-2001, 20:37
I quite liked the Matrix, thought the casting was top drawer and bullet time was so cool, if not a little played out now.
Fair enough the Directors cutted and pasted from Hong Kong movies but, maybe it made the ignorant aware of quality films from the Far East.
I doubt if the sequels will get any critical praise, as like the Star Wars prequels people hype themselves up so much into believing they are going to have some live-changing experience only to be let down.
If the Wachowskis pull it off it will be surprising. Your thoughts?
A good example why ranting and raving destroys a film. If I hadn't heard all that stuff about it I probably would have loved it.
Morpheus2000
21-10-2001, 21:24
The Matrix is superb. Special FX are excellent. Excellent fight scenes with great characters.
Not to be missed!
dangermouse
21-10-2001, 22:02
Originally posted by sampath
looking at news articles about this it seems that Li pulled out because he felt the $3 million offered to him wasn't enough.
I'm not surprised he said no if that was all they offered him, especially when you consider what his name would do for the movie all across Asia.
$3 is an insult really. I'm sure I remember him asking for $10-12 million, a shame that Joel Silver didn't think he was worth it.
wide_inside
21-10-2001, 22:29
Apparently the reason he pulled out of Crouching Tiger and The Matrix, is because he felt that if a film can take Chow Yun Fat or Keanu Reeves, and make them look like amazing martial artist when they are not, it might make people doubt his skill.
I think it's a fairly good point. We'll see with Kiss Of The Dragon, and The One which come out pretty soon.
wide
i started the thread because i'am sick of people telling me the film is great, it has wooden actors who should quit the're day job, and it has a ****** poor story line. you all tell me how good the film is but the ending is one of the worse in film history i mean what was the idea of him flying of at the end, it's just pure ******.
I think your missing the grand scheme of things here. I was surprised whilst at Uni just how lauded this film is. I thought it was a run of the mill, albeit it brilliant, summer blockbuster. After taking various film related courses at uni i found that there is a lot of theory that has gone into the film.
I'm not very good at articulating myself on this matter as quite frankly i can't remember much about uni. No i wasn't always out of my head;) , i just found some of the subjects really hard to get to grips with. One of them was about the Matrix and how it has a lot of Heidigger theory attached. Again maybe someone like Michael Brooke would care to elaborate but, there is a lot of deeper meaning to the Matrix, ie, the innerself, religion, technology and it's advances. I really enjoyed learning about it, but it was just really heavy going.
And Homerj i think you'll find the reason he is flying at the end is that Neo has learnt how to control the matrix to his advantage, so it doesn't seem so ludicrous in that context. Maybe you should try watching it again without dissmissing it so quickly.
robby i've watched the film a few times now just in case i missed something, but i can do nothing but laugh at how bad it is sorry.
The Matrix is a very well made and enjoyable, it is a great example of good film making from the photography right down to the editing.
I surpose you people who hate it didnt notice the slight green ting when watching scenes actualy in the matrix, it is little things like this that make it good.
Also to make a film that doesnt look like normal ch5 9oclock material and has woodern actors is an acheivement.
You should take time to look at 'the art of the matirx' and see how much time and effort went into this film.
I also think that those people who slag it of reguarly, are also people who think that Road Trip is an amzing piece of film making and the greatest film ever:rolleyes:
rant over;)
the matrix is not the first film in history to do this with colour, and as for the time that went into the making of this film it was nothing as to the time spent making star wars episode 1 and look how bad that it is. so you can spend all the time in the world on making the film look good but it's all a waste of time if the story is ****** as with the matrix. you all should spend more time watching hong kong films which the matrix tried to be. good film making is films like casino, goodfellas, jackie brown, manhunter, good the bad and the ugly, films with a great story and good acting.
I thought the film itself looked good but I have problems with the plot/story
I now find that keanu reeves, etc kill a lot of innocent ppl to release them into the world. But to release them to what. The sun has been blown up so nothing can live on the surface. Everyone who is out lives at the centre of the Earth and you can't tell me they'll all go and llive there when they are released from the matrix as surely there will not be enough room.
You could argue that they would all rather have their freedom than live a normal life in the matrix. However of what you see of outside they don't exactly live a good life they eat some kind of goo and they seem to spend most of the time messing about in the matrix. Maybe this'll be addressed by showing more of the last city in the next films. As far as I'm concerned Sypher is the only one with his head screwed on as he's seen how pointless it is outside and wants back into the matrix.
It also seems to me that the agents don't kill people only Neo and trinity do. Admittedly we do not see what happens to people once the agents leave their body but I doubt they die as this would be "wasteful" in terms of the systems "batteries".
The other annoying thing is on the commentary when loads of ppl are getting shot in the lobby one of the effects guys is saying of course they aren't actually dying as they are in the matrix so obviously he isn't following the story either.
As I said tho I still like this film but it's a case of people going on about it as they haven't seen anything else like it even though there are plenty of films that have covered this type of story before. The same can also be said of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Anyway does anyone know why the Warchowski brothers decided not to do a commentary on this film but did with bound as maybe this was because they saw problem with the story afterwards and didn't want to comment. Anyway I'll still be watching the next 2 films as maybe they'll cover some of this.
phew longest post I think I've done, well it was this or write up an electronics report :)
I also loved the film, but it seems to be flawed on a very basic level. It seems to me that the whole 'matrix' thing is unnecessary from the get-go. Why bother with keeping your 'batteries' happy (which requires more energy in a robot ruled society which has a shortage of it) with an imaginary world? As long as the human bodies are kept alive and functioning, why not simply leave them unconscience. The energy produced would be the same (the physical activity in the matrix does not translate over to the "real world", otherwise Neo's muscles would not have to be rebuilt). That removes the problem from the beginning, but then that would make for a really boring movie, wouldn't it? :p
I also think that those people who slag it of reguarly, are also people who think that Road Trip is an amzing piece of film making and the greatest film ever :rolleyes:
Funny, homerj does love Road Trip :D
Kit_Taylor
23-10-2001, 23:29
Originally posted by McMikey
Anyway does anyone know why the Warchowski brothers decided not to do a commentary on this film but did with bound
Perhaps because their commentary on Bound was one of the worst ever.
While we're discussing gaping pot holes in popular films, am I the only person who finds it rather strange that some aliens who live(d) "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" not only look like us mere humans, but speak English too? :p
Originally posted by sampath
Hmm... either that's simply not true ;) or Jet Li has a knack of turning down great movie parts in favour of not so great ones, as in when he turned down the part of Li Mu Bai in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in favour of doing Romeo Must Die. Big mistake. (although I do think that was a good thing in the end seeing as how great Chow Yun-Fat was).
Edit - looking at news articles about this it seems that Li pulled out because he felt the $3 million offered to him wasn't enough.
JEt did not turn down CTHD to do RMD. His reason was that he was doing RMD and was then offered the part of Li Mu Bai to begin as soon as RMD was finished shooting. He couldn't because he promised his wife (many years ago) he would have a year off during her pregnancy and birth etc.
Also, Jet's own explanation for not appearig in the sequels are as follows. He feels that he needs to spread the HK influence and that there should be as many great action movies as possible. By appearing in the Matrix 2+3 he wouldn't make too much difference to them overall, so he could make another film at the same time, thereby creating a wider choice of "great" action films for people to see.
please continue to speculate.
Joe Pasquale
24-10-2001, 00:53
I agree with homerj, 'The Matrix' is so much up it's own arse it's unbelievable! As are most of the people who claim it's the greatest film ever. :rolleyes:
It'd be nice if the sequels are as laughably bad, though in a more obvious way so that the plaudits of the first can look back and see what a tired waste of space it was. I mean, look at the IMDB all time top 40, while I disagree with a lot of the films there, nearly all deserve the title 'good/great film' in some sense or another; 'The Matrix' sticks out like a sore thumb as the exception to that rule.
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