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dvdfan10
19-10-2001, 17:08
I thought its kinda cool the specail effects was awsome on it even the pod race scene is on it it was cool just think when the star wars speacail edition comes out the snow walker scene will be on it its going to be awsome oh well back to episode 1 i seen it twice already its pretty cool cya
dvdfan10
19-10-2001, 20:54
what ya mean by it yall quit doing me like this i hate people like that they shouldnt have made messageboards i post good stuff anyways one board was already mad at me dvdtalk:mad:
Originally posted by dvdfan10
what ya mean by it yall quit doing me like this i hate people like that they shouldnt have made messageboards i post good stuff anyways one board was already mad at me dvdtalk:mad:
What's the word for the game where you have to insert punctuation in order to make a sentence? Sort of like rearranging the letters of an anagram. Or are the words all jumbled up, too? Sounds fun. :p
what ya mean by it yall quit doing me like this i hate people like that they shouldnt have made messageboards i post good stuff anyways one board was already mad at me dvdtalk
......neenaw,neenaw,neenaw.........:D
APPRIA40WR
19-10-2001, 22:37
I was gonna post an attack on the retarded film -but I can't be bothered any more! :D
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<font size=-2>OK, it's complete muck and it's best viewed by little children or adults that shouldn't be left with little children</font></font>
this thread seems to be absolutely pointless and hasn't seem to have gone anywhere.:D
Just Call Me Wanda
20-10-2001, 12:56
to say the film average is understatement with a capitol u because you can't make film good with just one good bit with the pod scene and jar jar binks is rubbish cos he just is but nat portman is kinda good lookin but jar jar isn't. i kinda like two blade lightsaber and the scene is good but ewan mcgregor should stick to trainspotting :D
On an emtremely serious note!, Mr Lucas should hand his story ideas over to an accomplished sci-fi/adventure writer and let someone else take over with directorial duties. His control should stretch as far as story editor and exec producer/producer.
Originally posted by APPRIA40WR
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<font size=-2>OK, it's complete muck and it's best viewed by little children or adults that shouldn't be left with little children</font></font>
Actually, a decent kids film is generally a decent film which can usually be enjoyed by adults alike ie Toy Story, (original) Star Wars, Shrek for example. A lot of classic Disney Stuff also works in appealing to both audiences.
Of course, as I am a parent who recently watched the dvd edition of this film with his son I suppose you'd better call the nspcc!
Just Call Me Wanda
20-10-2001, 13:35
Originally posted by Gizmo
Actually, a decent kids film is generally a decent film which can usually be enjoyed by adults alike ie Toy Story, (original) Star Wars, Shrek for example. A lot of classic Disney Stuff also works in appealing to both audiences.
Of course, as I am a parent who recently watched the dvd edition of this film with his son I suppose you'd better call the nspcc!
Yes, but at least the quite brilliant Toy Story and it's superior sequel; and Shrek; and A Bug's Life and Antz and a whole host of other 'kids' films treat their target audience (kids) and their secondary audience (parents) with a little respect in terms of their intelligence level. 'The Phantom's Menace to Society' sadly did not.
sideshowbob
20-10-2001, 13:43
Originally posted by Just Call Me Wanda
On an emtremely serious note!, Mr Lucas should hand his story ideas over to an accomplished sci-fi/adventure writer and let someone else take over with directorial duties. His control should stretch as far as story editor and exec producer/producer.
Isn't that kinda assuming that his story ideas are actually any good?
Originally posted by dvdfan10
what ya mean by it yall quit doing me like this i hate people like that they shouldnt have made messageboards i post good stuff anyways one board was already mad at me dvdtalk:mad:
punctuaation cant do i. sowwy.mad me no not be?
Why can't you learn to type properly? And no, I haven't seen the film, but I'm not suprised people were mad at you with that way of speaking!
Go to some typing classes. :mad:
Just Call Me Wanda
20-10-2001, 14:36
Originally posted by sideshowbob
Isn't that kinda assuming that his story ideas are actually any good?
A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi = one of the best adventure stories I've ever known. 'The Phantom's Menace To Society' was a poor film, however, I knew what Lucas was trying to do with the back story but the basic script just wasn't very good.
dean richardson
22-10-2001, 09:42
in the cinema i thought TPM was average, still bought the video and thought it was average, watched it on dvd yesterday after over a yr without seeing it and was suprised how good the film was.
Its not a classic but it is not the c*ap everyone makes out.
A good way of seeing if a film is any good is too look at the chapter listings and if most of the scenes you remember are good, then there you are!!!
ChrisAllenFiz
22-10-2001, 10:49
Originally posted by dean richardson
in the cinema i thought TPM was average, still bought the video and thought it was average, watched it on dvd yesterday after over a yr without seeing it and was suprised how good the film was.
Its not a classic but it is not the c*ap everyone makes out.
A good way of seeing if a film is any good is too look at the chapter listings and if most of the scenes you remember are good, then there you are!!!
I watched it on dvd last week, and I think that there is a good film in there struggling to get out, but it never manages it. Every time I watch it, I get more annoyed by old Jar Jar. And why o why does the kid have to ruin his otherwise pretty decent performance by those oh so contrived 'Yippie's. Portman trying to do regal is a poor shade of her other efforts (leon for example), and appears wooden, as you can tell she is much more comfortable as Padme. Mcgregor was trying, but just couldn`t pull off dignified, and most of the 'alien' species seemed lifeless and dull compared to Jabba et al from the Orginal trilogy.
Having said all that, there are plusses. Neeson is great as the master type role, and there are some great action scenes in there. I can forgive a film anything if it has Yoda in it :)
I am looking forward to episode 2, and have high hopes for a darker, more psychological edge to the next two films
Chris
It had some good bits, it had some bad bits. What you gonna do? For me, it suffered from the big hype-syndrome. I went to the cinema expecting too much. We've been brought up on Star Wars (or at least I was) and had very high expectations of any new films in the series. As has been said before, on second veiwing I enjoy it more because I wasn't expecting anything. The films I remember enjoying most are ones I knew very little about. It will be interesting to see how it's viewed in 10 years time.
Of course, I would have been far happier, if the Empire had actually managed to destroy Ja-Ja and his annoying race. Now that would have been a happy ending. I know I tried when I played the Playstation version of the game! Maybe, I was just drawn to the dark side?
it was what it was, a mcdonalds free toy tie-in for the playstation generation. Who cares if it was any good as long as it has 'cool' effects (man) and 'reference quality sound (dude). And given the audiences inability to string a coherent sentence together (see above) it's lack of intelligent plot or script was a shrewd ploy.
lotsa people is gonna die!!
spe@rmint
22-10-2001, 13:15
well the good news is that ol' Georgey did get help writing Epsiode 2, so I'm hoping that as the title is crap the film will be good!!
puddleduck
22-10-2001, 14:30
dvdfan10 - you may "post good stuff anyways" but your bad grammar, appalling spelling and lack of punctuation make it pretty tough to work out what the hell you are going on about!
I remember reading somewhere that a load of hardcore Star Wars fans in America edited the film as they hated it so much. If memory serves me, Ja-Ja was first onto the cutting room floor. They also changed the sound, so the aliens spoke in 'alien' with sub-titles inserted. Old George found out and took them to court, as they were selling copies. And that was the end of that. Would have been interesting to see though.
Originally posted by dvdfan10
I thought its kinda cool the specail effects was awsome on it even the pod race scene is on it it was cool just think when the star wars speacail edition comes out the snow walker scene will be on it its going to be awsome oh well back to episode 1 i seen it twice already its pretty cool cya
When the robbts are on atacsk and all of jedis say yess we will have a war to the rbots then darth meul with two sides fights the men in the room it is god i say yes to it when yodda will come out then is htat going to be the time for tthe boy sees fear in his saoul and knows really who he is going to be in a furute time how many does this make now?
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Ben Martin
22-10-2001, 15:43
Originally posted by jerryg
I remember reading somewhere that a load of hardcore Star Wars fans in America edited the film as they hated it so much. If memory serves me, Ja-Ja was first onto the cutting room floor. They also changed the sound, so the aliens spoke in 'alien' with sub-titles inserted. Old George found out and took them to court, as they were selling copies. And that was the end of that. Would have been interesting to see though.
no, that certainly wasn't the end of that. what actually happened is that there were three different "re-cuts" of episode I. the first, to be dismissed as a non-event straight away, featured only dodgy images inserted randomly into the movie and distributed on videotape. the other two cuts are the ones that caused the media stir back in june/july.
the "L.A. cut", better known as The Phantom Edit, was the more famous of the two and spread over the internet having initially been passed around L.A. on videotape. i have a copy of it on two CDs and it is superb. this version heavily cuts jar jar's "contributions" though he is still present. the biggest cut is the removal of the entire 'underwater sequence'. it is very professionally cut and the simplicity of some of the edits really does have a major impact on some of the scenes - a far better film at the end of the day.
the other cut was the "New York cut" and seems to be the one you were thinking of. i haven't seen this one, but those who have reported that jar jar speaks in an alien tongue and his subtitled dialogue is completely different, making him a more mature and likeable character (i imagine his clowning has all been cut). likewise, the neimoidians have been dubbed with alien language but their lines stay the same.
the way i understood it there was some concern from lucasfilm that things were getting out of hand when it went beyond the stage of merely being passed around on videotape. however, this was in the case of the 'L.A. cut' and the few people who were selling tapes/CDs were not associated with the guy who created the edit - known as 'the phantom editor'. he put out a statement on his website saying he only did it for himself, for non-profit and that the proliferation was out of his control. lucasfilm's whole approach was to effectively ignore the whole matter so as not to add to the media attention. so i very much doubt any legal action was taken against the 'creators', although those dodgy vendors might be a different matter!
Letsgetdigital
22-10-2001, 16:05
Originally posted by APPRIA40WR
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<font size=-2>OK, it's complete muck and it's best viewed by little children or adults that shouldn't be left with little children</font></font>
How many of these Episode 1 haters actually bought the DVD? Most of them probably. Sad.
An appalling film in every respect. George Lucas should be ashamed of himself.
And I wouldn't touch the DVD with a barge-pole, even if I could afford it. Which I can't.
Originally posted by Letsgetdigital
How many of these Episode 1 haters actually bought the DVD? Most of them probably. Sad.
I for one certainly haven't, I managed to go for a while without watching it, then when sky one showed it decided to make my own opinions and watch it. What utter drivel from start to finish.
I can’t say I’m overly keen on the first 3 films either, I certainly enjoyed Akira Kurosawa’s hidden fortress far more than Star Wars as I suspect most people who have taken the time to see it did as well.
Lighten up for gods sake.
It's a great "DVD".
It may not be the best film ever,but who said it was supposed to be.I can't think of any other film that has had this much abuse.
I have had my moans about the film, but having watched the dvd,now consider it the best one in my collection.
Great extras
Great sound
Great picture
And some great scenes.I got goosebumps during the podrace.
Never had them whilst watching it on video,pro logic.
Like i said before-Great DVD
Bloomin' cynics!
It's a great film, pure enjoyment. Some people go into films determined to dislike them, no suprises when they do. As I-bert says lighten up! Star Wars' enemies are far worse then the fanboys, their hatred for all things populist is the really sad, geeky thing!
Originally posted by Tob
Bloomin' cynics!
It's a great film, pure enjoyment. Some people go into films determined to dislike them, no suprises when they do. As I-bert says lighten up! Star Wars' enemies are far worse then the fanboys, their hatred for all things populist is the really sad, geeky thing!
Sorry to dissapoint your sterotype but I just geniuinly think it's a $hit film, I'm not trying to conform to some standard film buff opinion or be an anti-fan-boy.
I think there are many great films out there, but the fact that people think star wars tpm is fantastic I find quite incredible. Each to their own taste though.
I think what irratates me the most is people seem to think it's a "classic" or "epic" movie, it's not. I think that's why there is so much argument over this film as the people who don't like it can't see how anyone could like it and the the who like it don't see how anyone could not like it.
Originally posted by Adge
I think what irratates me the most is people seem to think it's a "classic" or "epic" movie, it's not. I think that's why there is so much argument over this film as the people who don't like it can't see how anyone could like it and the the who like it don't see how anyone could not like it.
I think people will look back on it in a few years as a classic. I also think it is pretty epic, the ideas and vision that went into it are higher then 98% of other movies. If this seems hard to believe, have a look at the excellent documentary showing the passion Lucas has (he genuinely loves the movies and tries his hardest) for his babies. Fun, enjoyable, entertaining cinema at its best.
Originally posted by martinb
epic my arse!
It is epic!!!:) :) :)
Originally posted by Tob
It is epic!!!:) :) :)
If you seriously believe that, you really need to watch some more cinema.... I'd suggest Spartacus, Apocalypse Now or 2001for a start....
Epic?? A bunch of CGI and actors fannying about in front of a blue screen with graphics pasted on afterwards. Yeah, right...
Originally posted by Adge
If you seriously believe that, you really need to watch some more cinema.... I'd suggest Spartacus, Apocalypse Now or 2001for a start....
Epic?? A bunch of CGI and actors fannying about in front of a blue screen with graphics pasted on afterwards. Yeah, right...
Thanks for being so unpatronising!:rolleyes: Gee, 2001, what's that about then?:) Believe it or not, it is possible to appreciate films from right across the board. Open your mind!
What you describe as "a bunch of CGI and actors fannying about" is what is known as state of the art and groundbreaking SFX.
It is obvious to everyone, including fans, that TPM lacks a decent script and the acting is very hammy, however its other merits far outweigh this. The sense of pure enjoyment and fun, coupled with fantastically exciting action set pieces, with a touch of John Williams composing mastery and a pinch of amazing set design, interesting and original characters, and you have a great film.
Just my opinion, I understand why people hate it, just trying to explain why I love it!
:)
the worst film Ive ever seen, Im watching Urban Legends 2 right now which is crap but its better then TPM!
Liam Neeson and Ewan Mc looked bored @@@@less in that film, I didnt know who was going to fall asleep first me or them!
Jar Jar is bloody annoying and the whole flick is just special effects, Anakin was crap too!!
the Jedis seemed to walk through every fight with ease, and it was really really boring!!
It shouldnt have been made, and I think the next one will be just as crap although I hope not!
Originally posted by Tob
Thanks for being so unpatronising!:rolleyes: Gee, 2001, what's that about then?:) Believe it or not, it is possible to appreciate films from right across the board. Open your mind!
Just trying to put things in perspective, those films I mentioned were epics, TPM is a glorified computer game intro movie, not an Epic as you claim earlier. As for opening my mind, I base film on it's own merits, I watch obscure foreign titles and massive Hollywood films, I judge them on the quality of the film not their genre.
Originally posted by Tob
What you describe as "a bunch of CGI and actors fannying about" is what is known as state of the art and groundbreaking SFX.
Being "groundbreaking and state of the art" in no way equates to being "a good film" as I think TPM proves very well. When they came out microwave ovens were "groundbreaking and state of the art" but that it no way gave them any creative or entertaining merits.
Originally posted by Tob
It is obvious to everyone, including fans, that TPM lacks a decent script and the acting is very hammy, however its other merits far outweigh this. The sense of pure enjoyment and fun, coupled with fantastically exciting action set pieces, with a touch of John Williams composing mastery and a pinch of amazing set design, interesting and original characters, and you have a great film.
Are you saying it's crap, except for the scenery and the music? :p
Originally posted by Tob
Just my opinion, I understand why people hate it, just trying to explain why I love it!
:)
Indeed, as the above is just my opinion. Only I'm right ;) .
Mister Chalk
24-10-2001, 12:38
From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
epic
Pronunciation: 'e-pik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin epicus, from Greek epikos, from epos word, speech, poem -- more at VOICE
Date: 1589
1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of an epic
2 a : extending beyond the usual or ordinary especially in size or scope
It's fair to say TPM is beyond the usual in scope in that it has more CGI than any other film to date. Does that count?
Originally posted by Mister Chalk
From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
epic
Pronunciation: 'e-pik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin epicus, from Greek epikos, from epos word, speech, poem -- more at VOICE
Date: 1589
1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of an epic
2 a : extending beyond the usual or ordinary especially in size or scope
It's fair to say TPM is beyond the usual in scope in that it has more CGI than any other film to date. Does that count?
102 Dalmatians has a more dalmatians than any other film to date, must mean it's an epic too.....
epics: gone with the wind, lawrence of arabia, doctor zhivago,ben hur,el cid, spartacus, the last emperor....and the phantom menace. Hmmm.....
Michael Brooke
24-10-2001, 15:49
Does a John Holmes film count as an epic, then? :D ;)
Originally posted by martinb
epics: gone with the wind, lawrence of arabia, doctor zhivago,ben hur,el cid, spartacus, the last emperor....and the phantom menace. Hmmm.....
And 102 Dalmatians..... ;)
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Does a John Holmes film count as an epic, then? :D ;)
Only The Incredible Sex Ray Machine, as it has more @@@@ jobs per @@@@@ and @@@@@@@@ being @@@ over by big @@@@@ and @@@@ intrusions than any other film to date ;)
Trust Michael to find the humor in a tense situation :)
Jimmyboy
24-10-2001, 16:49
I wouldnt call any of the Stars Wars films epics, but they are extremely enjoyable in a "remember when you were 6 years old" kind of a way.
Originally posted by Adge
102 Dalmatians has a more dalmatians than any other film to date, must mean it's an epic too.....
:) :) :)
Fair enough Adge mate, we will have to disagree on this one. Although TPM dissapointed many (including me!), I still love it and cannot wait untill Episode II, which I think has every possiblity to be fantastic (the darker storyline has much more of an adult and serious edge, more akin to Empire then the slightly overly childish orientation of TPM).
DVDWotcha
24-10-2001, 17:18
Originally posted by Mister Chalk
From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
epic
2 a : extending beyond the usual or ordinary especially in size or scope
Just being picky but I think 102 Dalmations does not fall into this definition.
Neither IMHO does TPM - BUT as TPM is only episode 1 of a 6 part story, I would say that the overall story "Star Wars" is by definition an epic as it obviously much longer and has far greater scope than normal films.
Originally posted by DVDWotcha
Just being picky but I think 102 Dalmations does not fall into this definition.
Neither IMHO does TPM - BUT as TPM is only episode 1 of a 6 part story, I would say that the overall story "Star Wars" is by definition an epic as it obviously much longer and has far greater scope than normal films.
There are 102 Dalmatians!!! Count em and weep baby!! 102!!! In terms of extending beyond the usual or ordinary especially in size or scope I can't think of any other film that has that many, so I think it does. ;) But my point was only to say that having a lot of something (in the case in point CGI) does not an epic make.
And again, if you put all the star wars films together when finished, it will be long, but will it be an Epic if watched in one sitting? If length defines an epic, then what is police academy? There are 7 of those.... But is it an epic? I think not......
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