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Captain_Chaos
15-01-2004, 20:22
Just noticed over on ********* they have this new title listed as a "Special collectors edit", does anyone have any details on this?
Confucius
15-01-2004, 20:30
It's a collector's edition, not a director's cut.
Specs are listed on http://www.avforums.com/ at http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112382
It might as well be called a directors cut. The specs list two scene revisions by Nicholas Meyer. Whether this is another way of advertising the existing special extended cut or a new cut for this release, we got to wait to find out. That's unless someone has it already and can confirm? Mines in the mail...
Mine's on its way also. I'm betting there are some new changes.
BTW I bought the R2 Director's Edition of The Wrath of Khan last week and noticed that the small added sequences actually look slightly better than the rest of the film! Less grainy.
My Old vhs copy had scene extensions compared to the theatrical cut. There was anextension to one scene with Scotty calling the Klingon woman a bitch and extra depth to assasination plot. colonel west is the klingon who gets killed, he is in disguise and earliar he proposes to jail break kirk from the snow planet
Hope that makes sense, saw this years ago. Memory is a little hazy...:|
thescrounger
16-01-2004, 02:16
The UK version on VHS always had the two scenes put back in, so this is only a new edit for the American audience.
DeadWalk
16-01-2004, 09:03
Star Trek VI Collector's Edition is on pre-order at DVDPacific for around £8.
DeadKenny
16-01-2004, 13:03
Originally posted by pdjw
It might as well be called a directors cut.
"Directors Cut" is a fairly meaningless term anyway in regards to being anything related to the director's preferred vision. Many studios use the term for what they think the director would have wanted, as an excuse to include deleted scenes, or even force the director to release a directors cut that isn't really his vision (e.g. Alien: DC & Bladerunner: DC).
In the case of the Trek films though they seemed to have distinguished between a Directors Cut and Collectors Edition nicely. The 'Directors Cut' (or 'Edition') of the first film is truly Robert Wise's cut. He was the one who actually wanted to do it and the studio just went along with it as if it was an honour for such a person to want to do it. Thankfully he's a big name director. The other directors were more likely to have the studio demanding things of them (and in the case of ST:V they told Shatner where to go when he wanted to do a Directors Cut :lol: ).
:wave:
I saw this on
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/store/news/article/3635.html
It actualy said this;
11.17.2003
"Star Trek VI" Beams to DVD in January
You've felt "The Wrath of Khan" and made "The Voyage Home" — now, get your DVD collection ready for "The Undiscovered Country."
"Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country — Special Collector's Edition" is coming to DVD on January 27, courtesy of Paramount Home Entertainment. This two-disc set is packed with featurettes and bonus material. The film concerns itself with the peace efforts between the Federation and the Klingons and features performances by Kim Cattrall as Spock's prot?g? Valeris and Christopher Plummer as the villainous General Chang. For a complete synopsis or more information on the film, click here.
The contents of the set are as follows:
Disc 1
THE FILM
"Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" — the DVD version includes two scene revisions by director Nicholas Meyer
Commentary by Meyer and screenwriter Denny Martin Flinn
Text commentary by Michael Okuda and Denise Okuda (co-authors of "The Star Trek Encyclopedia")
Disc 2
MOVIE-MAKING: STORIES FROM "STAR TREK VI"
Six featurettes on the making of the film, including interviews with William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Plummer, Meyer and additional production members
THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE
"Conversations with Nicholas Meyer" — a biographical overview of Meyer's career
"Klingons: Conjuring the Legend" — a review of the historic, cultural and mythic traditions of the warrior race
"Federation Operatives" — a roster of "Star Trek VI" performers who went on to appear in Trek films and series
"Penny's Toy Box" — Trek archivist Penny Juday displays original props from the film
"Together Again" — Shatner and Plummer reminisce about their friendship as young actors who worked together in the theatre
ART IMITATES LIFE: THE PERILS OF PEACEMAKING
A discussion of the uncanny parallels between the plot of "Star Trek VI" and historic global events in the Soviet Union, with commentators Meyer, Nimoy, Russia expert/scholar Dr. Angela Stent, and others
A FAREWELL
DeForest Kelley: A Tribute — A look at the career of actor DeForest Kelley ("Leonard McCoy"), with interviews from cast and crew
Original cast and crew interviews
PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL
Promotional Material: Theatrical trailers
1991 convention presentation by Meyer
ARCHIVES
Production gallery and storyboards
The DVD of "Star Trek VI" is presented in widescreen format enhanced for 16:9 televisions. It features Dolby Digital English 5.1 and English and French Dolby Surround. The DVD is sub-titled in English and closed-captioned for the hearing impaired. The DVD set is priced at $19.99 in the U.S. and $21.99 in Canada. It is rated PG and has a running time of approximately 113 minutes.
:rolleyes:
Of course there will be a delay for the UK and possibly cuts in the extras as well. :razz:
But it will be part of My DVD collection soon enough, I can Wait. :suspect:
Bye! :wave:
:wave:
The UK is still only at no 6. :oh-hum:
Here is what Star Trek Uk says;
The only Star Trek™ feature film to be directed by William Shatner, sees a vacationing Captain Kirk facing two challenges: climbing Yosemite's El Capitan and teaching campfire songs to Spock. But vacations are cut short when a renegade Vulcan hijacks the Enterprise™, and pilots it on a journey to uncover the universe's innermost secrets.
The Star Trek™ stars are back for one of their most astonishing voyages ever, with all the fun and excitement fans have come to love. So buckle up for a thrilling leap into the unknown that's 'as much a spiritual odyssey as a space adventure, and it's all the richer for it' (Kevin Thomas, Los Angeles Times).
Star Trek™ V: The Final Frontier Special Collector's Edition on DVD is presented in Widescreen format and contains two discs with over 5 1/2 hours of special features, documentaries, featurettes, deleted scenes and exclusive interviews:
DISC ONE
Commentary by William Shatner and Liz Shatner (his daughter)
Text commentary by Michael and Denise Okuda
DISC TWO
Herman Zimmerman: A Tribute - the visual influences production designer Herman Zimmerman has had on
Star Trek™. Interviews also include John Eaves (concept artist), Harve Bennett (producer) and more
Original Interview: William Shatner - An original, unedited interview with William Shatner, filmed during the production
Cosmic Thoughts featurette - examines the theme of religion throughout the Star Trek™ franchise
That Klingon Couple featurette
A Green Future? featurette
The Journey - Behind the scenes documentary. Interviews include William Shatner (director), Leonard Nimoy and more
Make up tests
4 Deleted scenes - Mount Rushmore, Insults, Behold Paradise and Spock's Pain
2 theatrical trailers
Photo Gallery
Hidden Feature:
Easter Egg: The GAG Reel - Executive producer Ralph Winter, producer Harve Bennett and screenwriter David Loughery have a little fun interacting with one of the scenes from the film.
:rolleyes:
Is this the same as america got? :suspect:
:wave:
thescrounger
16-01-2004, 17:59
Mine shipped yesterday.:)
GAmbrose
16-01-2004, 18:09
No news on Collectors editions of Star Trek: The Next Generation films yet then?
Walrus Man
16-01-2004, 18:39
Originally posted by Roborob
The UK is still only at no 6. :oh-hum: Don't you mean 5?
mine was sent from dvdsoon about 4/5 days ago so should be here any day now :clap:
would have liked a dirs cut of V tho, it may have been interesting and lets face it - anything would be better than this steamer :brickwall
Confucius
16-01-2004, 19:17
Originally posted by GAmbrose
No news on Collectors editions of Star Trek: The Next Generation films yet then?
No news, but I'd expect 'ST: Generations' around July/August.
Of course there will be a delay for the UK and possibly cuts in the extras as well.
I doubt there will be any cuts to the extras. Look at Star Trek IV rated 15 because of a couple of uses of the f word and an drugs reference in the extras.
nwgarratt
16-01-2004, 21:14
The R1 is out and is not 2.35:1. It looks to be anamorphic though.
A screenshot is here.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1984282&t=285#post1984282
Someone on HTF refers to the 2:1 as "very disappointing", but what does he mean by that?
What is the proper aspect ratio of the film, i.e. how did it play in cinemas? It was Super 35, right?
I have the R4 of Star Trek VI and I looked at it earlier on. It's about 2:1 as well, but it's not a terrific transfer -- non-anamorphic, plus there's an awful lot of 'smearing' as if it was NTSC or something.
Surely we can be fairly certain that Paramount aren't shafting anyone here? I'll bet it's cracking, just like all the other SE Trek releases, and presumably Nicholas Meyer signed off on it after all!
Captain_Chaos
16-01-2004, 22:15
So what is the accurate ratio?
thescrounger
16-01-2004, 22:29
The correct ratio is what's on the R1 SE. Trek VI was never shot at full 2.35:1
Since I'm old enough to have seen this when it came out at the cinema.
GAmbrose
16-01-2004, 23:29
The Digitalbits review is up:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/startrek6sce.html
Gary A
John Hodson
16-01-2004, 23:34
Originally posted by GAmbrose
The Digitalbits review is up:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/startrek6sce.html
Gary A
"So grab your copy of The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Klingon language edition) and strap on your phasers, 'cause this is as good as it gets."
:thumbs:
---
So many films, so little time...
thescrounger
17-01-2004, 00:08
I always wondered why Klingons would have any interest in any Earth writer at all, even Shakespeare. I thought they hated humans.:nuts:
nwgarratt
17-01-2004, 00:22
PlayUSA has the new Star Trek 6 just for £10.99.
I think I will upgrade my old copy and do the same with Generations.
Edit -
I just noticed it is just over £9 from Amazon.ca.
thescrounger
17-01-2004, 00:31
Got mine for about £6, can't recall where from, it was a pre-order bargain from the bargain forums ages ago.
Walrus Man
17-01-2004, 05:43
Originally posted by thescrounger
Got mine for about £6, can't recall where from, it was a pre-order bargain from the bargain forums ages ago. Probably DVD Soon. :suspect:
LooneyJetman
17-01-2004, 09:03
I'm 100% certain that this was projected at 2.35:1 theatrically. All widescreen transfers have always been approximately 2:1. The VHS, Laserdisc and original DVD releases looked odd as the picture was shifted to the upper area of the screen to make way for subtitles to appear at the bottom.
The transfer looks good, but in my opinion, not spectacular. For the price that it is available it is well worth the upgrade though.
To anyone whose already received this, did you get an insert? Other Star Trek SE's had them by this one didn't for me.
Confucius
17-01-2004, 09:36
Originally posted by Walrus Man
Probably DVD Soon. :suspect:
I think it was, the DVD Soon price was CAN$14.98 - about £6.80.
The price has now dropped by $1, but one doesn't get free shipping when ordering titles one at a time.
Originally posted by andrew_lee
I'm 100% certain that this was projected at 2.35:1 theatrically. All widescreen transfers have always been approximately 2:1. The VHS, Laserdisc and original DVD releases looked odd as the picture was shifted to the upper area of the screen to make way for subtitles to appear at the bottom.
You're right Andrew, the original ratio WAS 2.35:1, we've been waiting for Paramount to release it in the correct ratio for years and they still make an arse of it!
I'm really disappointed, as it's the only trek film that has been changed in some way for it's retail release - surely it would be easier to leave the original aspect ratio intact rather than changing things?
I see a special 'extreme' collector's edition coming sometime with the correct revisions made....! :rolleyes:
The couple of scene revisions weren't really big changes. I don't mind the quick cuts of the consipiritors in the Mind meld scene only the sound that goes with each cut seems a bit jarring.
Very disappointed that this is not 2.35:1 although theres no articifial panning I just prefer the composition on that version. The widescreen VHS boxset had this in it's theatrical ratio of 2.35 not 2.1.
Also did anyone else get this in a White Alpha (double sized) case whereas all previous ST's were black cases and sans an insert with chapter listing? Or is it just me Lol.
Paramount ought to sort out who ever printed the discs as well - i really like the upside down picture of the Enterprise B from St 7 on disc 2. :oh-hum:
DeadKenny
17-01-2004, 13:22
Originally posted by PaulB
You're right Andrew, the original ratio WAS 2.35:1, we've been waiting for Paramount to release it in the correct ratio for years and they still make an arse of it!
Being a Super 35 film 2:1 is as "correct" as 2.35:1. It all depends what the director intended. In fact if anything it may be that 2.35:1 was "incorrect", but the only option for most multiplexes.
P.S. The widescreen VHS boxed set version was definitely 2:1 (I can even scan the cover for you if you like).
Also, there's no panning on the 2:1 version because it's the full width. That's what Super 35 allows. The 4:3 version actually is cropped at the sides slightly, but has extra height.
Here's a bit on Super35...
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~leopold/Ld/FilmToVideo/#ShootingSuper35
Note that even in T2 the effects were 2.1:1. It was cropped to 2.35:1 at the cinema and on DVD though.
P.S. The widescreen VHS boxed set version was definitely 2:1 (I can even scan the cover for you if you like).
Is this the Star Trek 1-7 box set in a brown case with each movie on seperate tapes? I could have sworn it was the same ratio as the rest of the movies in there. hehe :brickwall Don't worry about a scan mate I'll take your word for it.
Captain_Chaos
17-01-2004, 19:06
Scan it! Scan it now!!!:nuts:
nwgarratt
17-01-2004, 19:22
I used to have the widescreen version on VHS (no boxset) and it was 2:1.
thescrounger
17-01-2004, 19:23
I bought the Widescreen VHS edition (which came out at the same time as the P&S version in 1992) and it's 2:1 widescreen.
DeadKenny
17-01-2004, 20:21
Originally posted by pdjw
Is this the Star Trek 1-7 box set in a brown case with each movie on seperate tapes? I could have sworn it was the same ratio as the rest of the movies in there. hehe :brickwall Don't worry about a scan mate I'll take your word for it.
The silver 1-6 boxed set. Maybe they changed it for the brown set, but then changed it back, which would be kind of nuts :nuts:
I remember very clearly noticing it was different to all the other widescreen Trek films, and after a bit of searching I found out it was shot in Super35 and that was apparently the reason for it being 2:1 in preference to 2.35:1
DarkAvenger
18-01-2004, 13:03
It should be worth noting that the original release of ST6 on DVD was not anamorphic because Paramount did not get permission from Nick Meyer to release it. I remember reading an interview with Van Ling who produced many of the early quality DVD releases like "The Abyss" and he said that the reason for a non anamorphic print on "The Abyss" was down to not getting approval from the director which is what is needed. For the new ST6 release there is of course an anamorphic print and this must have been approved by Nick Meyer so I am inclined to believe that the ratio on the DVD is as he originally intended.
nwgarratt
18-01-2004, 14:53
For the new ST6 release there is of course an anamorphic print and this must have been approved by Nick Meyer so I am inclined to believe that the ratio on the DVD is as he originally intended.
I agree.
So does anybody know when Generations is going to be given the special edition treatment? :D
(Sold my VHS boxset a few months ago - shame its highs and lows with Star Trek: 1 is released - hmmmm, there's some new scenes, 2 is released - wooo :clap:, 3 is released - oooh its on DVD, 4 is release - wooo :clap:, 5 is released - hmmmm, 6 is released - wooo :clap:, 7 will be released - hmmmmm, 8 will be released - wooo :clap:, and so on and so forth...)
DeadKenny
18-01-2004, 19:34
From the ever faithful DVD Talk UPCOMING RE-RELEASES LIST (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=89464)...
Note: Those in bold are confirmed (though not necessarily by the studio, i.e. more than just a rumour but subject to change).
Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country (01/--/2004, SE, 2D)
Star Trek 7: Generations (SE)
I read somewhere that bonus materials are being gathered.
Star Trek 8: First Contact (SE)
Not sure if they are re-releasing this. On the list because all other Trek films are being re-released.
Star Trek 9: Insurrection (SE)
Not sure if they are re-releasing this. On the list because all other Trek films are being re-released.
Niceguygeoff
19-01-2004, 12:24
The theatrical framing of 2.35:1 would've been preferable, but an "opened up" 1.85:1 version will do me just fine. I'm glad that the new DVD isn't in that annoying halfway-house ratio of 2:1. I wonder if Nicholas Meyer's ever been happy with the framing of the movie on the home video releases? Hopefully he's now framed it as he prefers. Mine's on the way, so I'll judge for myself soon enough.
DeadKenny
19-01-2004, 12:31
But it is 2:1, and it's not a halfway-house, it's a restriction of the effects which are 2:1.
However, thedigitalbits has this to say...
I should note here, because fans will care, that this is the same longer (133-minute) version of the film that was on the original DVD release (with a few scenes and moments that weren't in the theatrical version). There is one issue related to the video, however, that may cause a little confusion. The original DVD's non-anamorphic, letterboxed widescreen video was framed at an aspect ratio of about 2.0:1, meaning that you're seeing a little more on the top and bottom of the frame. How is this possible? According to the IMDB, the film's original theatrical aspect ratio was 2.35:1, but it was shot in Super 35 format. For this DVD release, the new anamorphic transfer is again framed at about 2.0:1, so that when watching on a properly calibrated anamorphic display (of aspect 1.78:1), the image completely fills the screen. There are no slight black bars, as there would be on a true 2.35 formatted transfer. This is obviously deliberate, the result of the director's own preference for the film's home video presentation (no doubt one of the reasons Super 35 was chosen in the first place). So there's no need to get upset and starting complaining to the studio - the transfer here is exactly the way the film should be presented on DVD
This sounds very odd to me as a 2.01:1 framed film, whether it's anamorphic or not, is 2.01:1 on a widescreen TV (in zoom/letterbox or wide/16:9 modes depending on non-anamorphic/anamorphic). If they're saying it fills the screen, then it's been opened out to 1.78:1, or cropped at the sides. There's no way I can see that 2.01:1 = 1.78:1 just by making it anamorphic :nono:. They've not really understood what anamorphic means I think.
Originally posted by pdjw
Also did anyone else get this in a White Alpha (double sized) case whereas all previous ST's were black cases and sans an insert with chapter listing? Or is it just me Lol.
Yep, white case, no insert. nice & consistent Paramount, cheers! :oh-hum: ;)
Paramount ought to sort out who ever printed the discs as well - i really like the upside down picture of the Enterprise B from St 7 on disc 2. :oh-hum:
I'm pretty sure it's the Excelsior (yep, same design as Enterprise B :dork: ), but you wouldn't think it would be that difficult to get the picture the right way up! :lol:
nwgarratt
19-01-2004, 13:35
Just ordered at PlayUSA.
I be glad to just watch it in anamorphic. The last release put the subtitles for Klngon off the screen on my TV. I had to move the picture up which resulted the top of the picture getting cut off.
DeadKenny
19-01-2004, 13:40
Originally posted by aprout
I'm pretty sure it's the Excelsior (yep, same design as Enterprise B :dork: ), but you wouldn't think it would be that difficult to get the picture the right way up! :lol:
Not just same design, it's the same model used in the film, just redocorated to be the Enterprise B. One of many cheap bits of budgeting (there are also clips nicked from earlier films, like the Bird of Prey footage from VI).
ordered from dvdsoon works out at £8.15...
£6 something when i ordered it. got it today by the wway :clap:
Mine came today at £8 odd from DVD pacific.
Anyone else's in a white amaray?? Looks a bit odd next to the rest now?
thescrounger
19-01-2004, 16:32
Mine arrived today in a white Amaray. Can't compain for £6 though. I'm using dvdcoverart.com for better covers.
DarkAvenger
19-01-2004, 17:57
As per previous posts, it is not a White Amaray but a White Alpha case and yes everyone seems to have the white case. Good to see that the subtitles on this DVD are actually on the print this time. As I have already said this print must have been approved by Nick Meyer as it is anamorphic so the aspect ratio must be how he wanted it presented on Home Video.
On that score how does anyone know the dimensions of an alpha cover?????
Niceguygeoff
19-01-2004, 19:08
Originally posted by DeadKenny
...a 2.01:1 framed film, whether it's anamorphic or not, is 2.01:1 on a widescreen TV (in zoom/letterbox or wide/16:9 modes depending on non-anamorphic/anamorphic). If they're saying it fills the screen, then it's been opened out to 1.78:1, or cropped at the sides. There's no way I can see that 2.01:1 = 1.78:1 just by making it anamorphic :nono:. They've not really understood what anamorphic means I think.
The Bits do seem to have their wires crossed on this one. On my (overscan adjusted) 16:9 set there are definitely thin borders visible with this new transfer, again in that bloody 2:1 ratio. Borders that thin are a real distraction to me, which is why I had hoped that the movie would be opened up to 16:9 or left in it's originally projected ratio of 2.35:1. But it now seems clear that Meyer framed it at 2:1 from the off (which is an aspect ratio catered for by Super 35) allowing a bit more headroom for the tighter theatrical ratio of 2.35:1. Ah well. It's also a pity that there's no EX audio for this one, unlike ST:V. And what's with the packaging? I know it was super-cheap, but a white Alpha with no insert and upside down artwork on one of the discs smacks of laziness. If Paramount get any lazier then Generations will be issued in a brown paper bag - although some folk would probably prefer that! :D
nwgarratt
19-01-2004, 19:13
My copy has been posted just 5 hours after placing the order. :)
On that score how does anyone know the dimensions of an alpha cover?????
Try here for the dimensions (PDF)
http://www.alom.com/services/print/alphacase.pdf
I too am glad that the subs were burned in but the positioning is almost centre of the frame :cuckoo:
'There's always something'
DeadKenny
19-01-2004, 21:03
Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
Ah well. It's also a pity that there's no EX audio for this one, unlike ST:V
Interesting. Looking on the R2 packaging it doesn't mention EX for ST:V and I can't see any mention on Rewind for a difference between R1 and R2.
Does it come up as EX on the amp then?
Not that I've got the equipment to use the extra channel.
ST:VI is the main one that could do with a DTS version. It always used to be the show-piece film for home cinema, mainly for the intro.
h0l1yw0od
19-01-2004, 21:06
So has anyone actually watched the movie yet or are we all too busy venting our spleens to the world about the ratio? :nuts: :thumbs:
And yes, my case was white and no, i did not get an insert. But i will enjoy the movie (or at least most of it)
Peace brothers:)
RoboCop4
20-01-2004, 08:16
Feel glum having read through this thread. The Special Edition of Star Trek VI is one of the Trek films I've been looking forward to most on DVD - after the dreadful previous release.
I hope that the R2 comes in a proper double Amaray case with slipcase, like the others. But at least, as has been posted already, the print is anamorphic this time.
I have the R1 SE of Star Trek IV and yes the case is poor... its dual language.. buts its the disks that matter and the price - around 6 quid..
I have ordered the R1 SE of Star Trek VI and the cover looks the same - so again the case will be dull.. but its the disks and the for me the price - around 8 quid (R2 at play is £17.99)..
really doesn't bother me about the dvds matching - I have a mixture of R1 and R2...
The R2 Project has the packshot for the upcoming Uk release - looks to be in the same style as previous Trek SE's (except The Motion Picture), i.e. it's in a slip case:
R2 Star Trek VI packshot (http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=3&articleId=6143)
Looks pretty good to me.
not half as good as this one...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000V8F74.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
;)
DeadKenny
20-01-2004, 09:57
Originally posted by orac
not half as good as this one...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000V8F74.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
;)
Nah, I prefer the R2s. I'm never a fan of the poster plastered all over the cover (especially when it's a naff poster) and I like the styling of the R2 slip-cases. Looks like more effort was made ;)
thescrounger
20-01-2004, 10:07
I can't stand the R2 covers, and I'm not big on the R1s either, as I said earlier I use covers designed by Andrew Parmet from dvdcoverart.com.
But the R1s are better than the R2s.
I am a fan of the films and decent extras..
some of those covers look good.. but then you have to pay dvdcoverart and print them out...
I dont like these larger cases you get with the R1 releases... but for me its down to which is the cheapest..
Niceguygeoff
20-01-2004, 13:32
Originally posted by DeadKenny
Interesting. Looking on the R2 packaging it doesn't mention EX for ST:V and I can't see any mention on Rewind for a difference between R1 and R2.
Does it come up as EX on the amp then?
The R1 version of ST:V is encoded for DD-EX - it's even flagged correctly - although there's no mention of it on the packaging. It doesn't make that much difference to a film of this age, but the lack of it on ST:VI gave me an extra thing to moan about! But dodgily positioned subtitles aside (a hangover from the tighter theatrical framing perhaps?) ST:VI still has a fine transfer, backed up by some decent extras.
nwgarratt
20-01-2004, 13:58
Some people may find this interesting on the HTF.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?&postid=1990094#post1990094
DeadKenny
20-01-2004, 15:49
Yep, confirms even further that 2:1 is the intended ratio.
P.S. On a side note, when I saw VI at the cinema it was on a 70mm print. Not that it meant much to me except it was a nice big screen. Looked damn impressive anyway :D (I wouldn't have known didley-squat about ratios in those days so probably wouldn't have thought anyone's heads were being chopped off).
Captain Howdy
20-01-2004, 17:44
Originally posted by pdjw
I too am glad that the subs were burned in but the positioning is almost centre of the frame :cuckoo:
'There's always something'
I think it's positioned there so that they can fit in the text on the text commentary when you watch it.
Got my copy today, in a WHITE alpha case! It already looks mad with a mix of R1 SEs, R2 SEs and original releases! :nuts:
nwgarratt
22-01-2004, 11:47
Got my copy today. It is a white case, but why is TPM SE yellow and the others silver? I will also get the SE of Generations to replace the non anamorphic transfer (like what I did with TUD). The others are the old versions.
Also, my disc 2 has the picture of the Excelsior upside down.
There was also a mark and fine scratches on disc 1. I have had these before, so I think the scratched is caused by the manufacturing process. It plays fine though.
Yep. Paramount really messed their Quality control up. White alpha and upside down Excelsior. No booklet.
I've printed out new covers now. I've used "Moonshadow" covers from DVDcoverart which show more imagination in one cover than paramount have showed on all the R1's together. I've also swapped my white alpha with a black one.
nwgarratt
22-01-2004, 12:17
I thought the white case wouldn't bother me, but it did. I swapped it for a black one as well.
I would like to print out some more covers from DVDCoverart, particualrly the silver version of TPM and Freddy v Jason. Unfortunately, I run out of credits ages ago.
I have had a look at moonshadows cover. Isn't it for a one disc version?
Originally posted by nwgarratt
I thought the white case wouldn't bother me, but it did. I swapped it for a black one as well.
I would like to print out some more covers from DVDCoverart, particualrly the silver version of TPM and Freddy v Jason. Unfortunately, I run out of credits ages ago.
I have had a look at moonshadows cover. Isn't it for a one disc version?
Yep. I've got his 1-4 covers and am waiting for him to do some for 5-6. They are there but need to be "doubled." You can do this in pshop but it'll stretch it. I've put a request in for him to expand the spines. I can delete the R4 PG easily enough.
I'm happy to send you those two covers if you've got a link. Might take a few seconds to send on BB but should be easy enough.
Originally posted by CLH
Yep. I've got his 1-4 covers and am waiting for him to do some for 5-6. They are there but need to be "doubled." You can do this in pshop but it'll stretch it. I've put a request in for him to expand the spines. I can delete the R4 PG easily enough.
I'm happy to send you those two covers if you've got a link. Might take a few seconds to send on BB but should be easy enough.
link for moonshadows covers please..
http://www.dvdcoverart.com/dvdcoverart/search.php?dowhat=search&keywords=moonshadow&mod=and&iso=Authors
Scroll down for them.
When printing I used photoshop to size them to:-
283mm length and 183 mm high (I think!).
They are absolutley brilliant next to each other.
BlueDwarf
22-01-2004, 13:49
Orange spine, silver spine, silver case, black case, white case, some with french writing, some with BBFC ratings - my Star Trek collection is ecclectic, bordering on "messy as hell". :nuts:
run out of dvdcovert art credits and as some our R2 and others R1 then nevermind...
I've got over 100 credits left.
I'm happy to give 1 credit to each of the next few people who ask me for a Moonshadow one.
covers needed for 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10...
6 credits?
edit: forgot about first contact
I can only do one!
Which one would you like? Then you can decide whether it's good enough to buy some more?
voyage home R1 - the one that fits the larger double amaray as that covers awful..
thanks mate
No worries. Have emailed you as well.
nwgarratt
22-01-2004, 14:50
Yep. I've got his 1-4 covers and am waiting for him to do some for 5-6. They are there but need to be "doubled." You can do this in pshop but it'll stretch it. I've put a request in for him to expand the spines. I can delete the R4 PG easily enough.
I'm happy to send you those two covers if you've got a link. Might take a few seconds to send on BB but should be easy enough.
They are very nice covers and do put paramount to shame.
got mine this moring - no booklet inside - should there be?
Originally posted by orac
got mine this moring - no booklet inside - should there be?
Nope, no-one in R1 land got a booklet and everyone got a white case as well :nuts:
John Hodson
26-01-2004, 10:15
Originally posted by john316
Nope, no-one in R1 land got a booklet and everyone got a white case as well :nuts:
Not everyone; some are saying they got black, particularly the ones that bought the six film 'Original Crew' movie box set.
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So many films, so little time...
tk421138
28-01-2004, 22:28
From dvd.reviewer.co.uk:
Star Trek VI gets new edit for DVD release in February posted at 18:43
Further to our news story back in October about the release of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country on 27 February 2004., Paramount have announced that the DVD will feature a new cut of the film – not either the theatrical release or the extended cut that has previously been available. There are no extra scenes in the movie, but some changes have been made to camera edits and a visual montage has been added to the Valeris interrogation scene. The disc specifications remain unchanged.
The movie was made by Nicholas Meyer in 1991 and features William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, James Doohan, Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, Kim Cattrall, David Warner, Christopher Plummer, Iman and Michael Dorn.
In Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country, the cold war between the Federation and the Klingons thaws out when the leader of the crumbling alien empire makes a peace offering. Admiral Kirk (Shatner) and the crew are quickly sent to escort the Klingon ruler to treaty talks, but they unknowingly stumble into the middle of a political assassination--and soon Kirk and Dr. McCoy (Kelley) are framed for the dignitary's murder. Sent off to a frozen gulag planet, the two plot their escape while Spock (Nimoy) and the rest of the old gang try to find out who the real killer is. The future of the intergalactic peace movement depends on their success.
The video will be presented in anamorphic widescreen and the disc will carry a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack. Extra features will include an audio commentary track; four featurettes; storyboards; a production gallery and the trailer. The suggested retail price will be $24.95.
---Seems really odd that they are going to release a new edit only a month after they released the new 2 disc set.
Seems really odd that they are going to release a new edit only a month after they released the new 2 disc set.
Surely they're not?
I mean, doesn't this refer to the British release date? That would be in February - otherwise it must be exactly the same as the Region one, surely?
tk421138
29-01-2004, 09:10
Originally posted by Jojohns
Surely they're not?
I mean, doesn't this refer to the British release date? That would be in February - otherwise it must be exactly the same as the Region one, surely?
It is on the region 1 section and refers to a new release in Feb priced in dollars.
I agree it sounds wrong, probably it is.
Edit- I guess the release date was brought forward?
Searching back DVDAnswers also refers to a release in Feb.
It looks like dvd.reviewer just did not re-edit yesterdays update.
Anyway has anyone noticed any differences in editing?
thescrounger
29-01-2004, 10:05
I'll have to watch it now and find out, I know this film VERY well.
Originally posted by tk421138
There are no extra scenes in the movie, but some changes have been made to camera edits and a visual montage has been added to the Valeris interrogation scene. The disc specifications remain unchanged.
But this is what's in the SE release. Well at least the "visual montage", I dunno about the camera angles - I haven't watched the film in a long time so can't compare.
Ian
Niceguygeoff
29-01-2004, 14:36
Originally posted by tk421138
Anyway has anyone noticed any differences in editing?
According to the text commentary, a couple of wide shots during the Valeris interrogation were substituted with close ups (of Kirk and McCoy respectively). And the bit where Scotty finds the discarded uniforms has apparently been re-edited as well. These changes are absolutely seamless, but the montage of conspirators (complete with cheesy gong sound effect) is a bit rubbish IMO. Still, it's a cracking DVD package.
An up.
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