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Ol' Blue Eyes
19-11-2003, 00:10
I just received my Region 4 special edition today and sat down and watched the film this evening. First, the technical stuff - it looks and sounds great. There's some minor print damage visible very briefly in a couple of places (a vertical line for a second or two) and a bit of grain but those are the only clues that the film wasn't made in 2003. Otherwise this is of the quality you'd expect after seeing other Warners PAL special editions like Amadeus and Unforgiven and it erases all memory of the atrocious non-anamorphic bare bones version. The R4 version is also uncut, retaining the violence in the opening scene, Will Scarlet's n0rty word and the Sheriff's dubious attempt to have his honeymoon on the castle floor. I haven't yet sampled the extras and knowing me, it'll be at least 2011 before I do.

Now the film. Robin Hood was simultaneously the biggest hit of 1991 and the beginning of the ferocious anti-Costner backlash. I felt at the time the derisory reviews were unfair and that Prince Of Thieves, though flawed, was a thoroughly enjoyable adventure romp. Seeing it for the first time in 10 years or so, I think it stands up remarkably well. The flaws are still there - it takes its time to get going, there's the occasional dodgy line and you have to swallow two very transatlantic stars (Kevin Costner and Christian Slater) and their now-you-hear-it-now-you-don't English accents... though that's not to say Costner doesn't still have his charm and Slater isn't well used.

But accept these drawbacks and you're rewarded by a surprisingly satisfying and full-blooded adventure with a deftness of plotting and complexity of characterisation that's all but gone from blockbuster film-making. There are so many strong characters in this film. Even minor players like Little John's wife, Guy of Gisbourne and the Bishop are given more personality than all of Charlie's Angels put together. When I review films I always make a big fuss about characterisation because it matters. It's the difference between caring how a story turns out and just goggling at the special effects like you do at The Matrix Revolutions. I like the relationships in Robin Hood, the way backstories are pencilled in and tensions generated.

This new special edition actually improves the film noticably by adding scenes fleshing out Alan Rickman's Sheriff of Nottingham - we learn more of his relationship with his witch (who springs a big surprise!) and his plot to usurp King Richard's throne. This makes him less of a camp scene-stealer and more of a malevolent, scheming villain. And yes, he does get a few more choice lines too! Indy fans will appreciate seeing more of the hulking Pat Roach, who Harrison Ford fought in both Raiders and Temple of Doom. He plays the leader of the Celt mercenaries here. For once, all the new stuff seems to add to the film and isn't just padding (hello Terminator 2 SE!).

The action is solid and suspenseful and CGI-less and the violence looks less controversial in times when Terminator 3 gets a 12A. Oh and worry not, the film fades to black before the Bryan Adams song kicks in. All in all, this is well worth ordering from Australia or mainland Europe, especially given the cuts to the impending UK version and the poor reports of the R1 picture quality.

Dan Druff
19-11-2003, 08:15
mmm might well purchase! :thumbs:

EDIT: just found out about the death of Michael Kamen, his Prince of Thieves score was excellent. :(

Gozer
19-11-2003, 11:24
Thats a reassuring review, ordered the other day from Oz in the hope it would be better than the R1 has reported to be whilst staying uncut. Can't wait to see the long version, its a childhood classic. Still remember when I saw it in the cinema as a kid.....

Dan Druff
19-11-2003, 12:11
I have ordered R4 now based on your review Blue Eyes!

Thomasd
20-11-2003, 00:02
I've had the R1 (signed by Brian Blessed) since August and I still aint watched it:eek:

Byron
20-11-2003, 00:18
(Damn'd double post)

Byron
20-11-2003, 00:19
Cool review, might just give this a butchers (I've always been a sucker for a good vintage blockbuster).

I only found out about the n0rty line when I read something in the 'Indy' about swearing in film as the writer said his favourite gratuitous f-bomb was Will Scarlett's "friar tuck you!". The only version I've seen is the one the Beeb periodically show. :gag:

Peachey
20-11-2003, 18:00
I have also ordered a R4 copy as a result of the review - thanks for making the effort to write it. Only works out at about £12 from EzyDVD:)

goof
22-11-2003, 14:29
I've had the R2 barebones release for about 18 months now - would agree with Ol' Blue, I hadn't seen it since original release and was surprised how much I enjoyed it (miles better than countless other popcorn flicks released in recent years) :thumbs:

jonathan.e
24-11-2003, 07:13
Thought this was good when originally in the cinema but after re-watching it on DVD I’m of the opinion it’s by far the worst Costner movie. Ridiculous casting, a disgracefully OTT performance from Rickman and an overlong running time all make for a rambling shapeless mess. I’d rate even The Postman above this nonsense.

Squirrel God
01-12-2003, 04:57
Does it have DTS and if so, does it suffer from the same dreadful lip synch problems on the R1 SE?

Gozer
01-12-2003, 14:24
There is no DTS track on the disc, even though it says there is on the back cover. I didn't notice any lip sync problems on my copy, and the picture looked pretty good too. A nice bargain buy for a quality film, the extra Alan Rickman scenes are worth their weight in gold.

Dan Druff
08-12-2003, 11:32
The sound is quite good, especially in the forest..I did search for the DTS track of course, it doesn't exist. Some of the darker scenes were quite grainy though..I felt the new scenes did add a bit to the movie. Of course my DVD player waited for Sean Connery to appear before it decided to go berzerk and throw me back an hour into the film for no reason whatsoever..then everytime I tried to watch the last 5 minutes the picture broke up like crazy..a pity. Actually the film made me thirst for the more adult Flesh & Blood due to be relased next April I think..I enjoy a good Knights 'n Armour romp.
Overall an enjoyable movie, nicely packaged, uncut and extended.

c9550904
08-01-2004, 13:07
Just a quick thanks. I was hovering over the buy button at DVDSoon before I read your review - fantastic!

bruce-leroy
11-06-2007, 13:48
I have just watched the Extended Edition for the first time, and I didn't think the extra stuff added a hell of a lot. Okay, the revelations were interesting, but not really necessary. It's been several years since I watched it, and unfortunately I don't think it has dated very well. It feels clunky in a few places, and the acting is not the best. Morgan Freeman is the one that stood out for me, although Costner still manages to channel his then trademark leading man charisma as Robin. Alan Rickman's OTT Sheriff still makes me laugh - his facial expressions cracked me up. Having said all that, it was still an enjoyable romp, but just not as good as it was when I last watched it.

Niceguygeoff
11-06-2007, 18:24
I still love the movie. I agree that it's always been a bit clunky, but Alan Rickman's Sheriff is a scenery-chewing delight. The uncut version is great fun.

My biggest gripe is that the film looks better on TV broadcasts than it does on disc, even though it's been remastered. And the sound on the SE DVD is awful; the Dolby 5.1 track crackles during louder parts (as did the Dolby 2.0 track on the original DVD) and the DTS is waaay out of sync.

Hopefully the inevitable HD release will give this enjoyable romp the A/V treatment it deserves.

TigaSefi
11-06-2007, 18:46
You know, there still bits missing from the movie. I distinctly remember Alan Rickman using his legs to splice apart Mary's legs during the wedding bits and this was completely cut out still.

bruce-leroy
11-06-2007, 19:48
You know, there still bits missing from the movie. I distinctly remember Alan Rickman using his legs to splice apart Mary's legs during the wedding bits and this was completely cut out still.

It think it is still missing in in the R2 SE (extended cut?), but it is there in the R1 Extended cut.

Niceguygeoff
11-06-2007, 21:09
Yup. It's R1 or bust for me. I can't stand the cut version.