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I just read a recent thread (can't remember which one) and noticed that Michael Brooke's recent reviews include the R0 Straw Dogs!
When did this come out?
I was aware of Anchor Bay's R1 release but didn't know about this.
Can someone tell me where I can buy this from?
It is the Anchor Bay R1. Michael Brooke made a mistake.
There is a Danish R2 (pan and scan) and a Spanish R2 (widescreen) about.
I would really like to see an English review about the Spanish - the Spanish is PAL.
Michael Brooke
11-10-2001, 00:39
Er... where did I make a mistake?
The only time I've ever reviewed the film was <A HREF="http://www.bulletsnbabesdvds.com/article.php?sid=385">here</A> - and I say it's Region 1!
I think <I>DVD Times</I> still list it as Region 0, though - I'll see if I can remedy that.
Michael Brooke
11-10-2001, 00:41
No - DVD Times got it right as well!
Incidentally, it's 100% definitely Region 1 - I've just checked my copy to confirm.
dvd times used to list it as R0, untill I tried oredering it from dcdvd and found out it was region 1. I then posted on here and it was changed.
I'm puzzled over the review though, it says r1 now?
Ah well maybe I'm cracking up, but I'd bet my life I saw it as r0 10 minutes ago, I must have been pretty sure to risk humiliating myself on the forums hehe.
Ah well never mind;)
It's been rectified now. It did say R0 though. :D
Hehe thanks, I'm not cracking up after all.:)
Pike Bishop
11-10-2001, 11:07
If I imported this would I get into trouble or would it be seized bearing in mind that its still banned over here?
Michael Brooke
11-10-2001, 11:13
It isn't banned over here - it has a BBFC theatrical certificate. Even though the Anchor Bay DVD announces that it's "banned in the UK", Customs are well aware of this title, and are perfectly happy to let it through.
the danish pan and scan version is cut during the rape scene so don't bother with it cheap though about £6
get the anchor bay version £10.99 from future entertainment ...bargain (it is r1 i think unlike most of thier stuff)
Yes, I am waiting for something from Future Entertainment. I've been waiting three days - I want it now.
The Spanish R2 is in widescreen and is by Manga Video. Could someone kindly buy this, watch it and review it? That DVD costs around £18 to buy - huge DVD Go shipping costs. Without them it is around £11!
A note about DVD Go - I was just about to press the "Confirm Buy" button and saw the shipping charges. I cancelled it.
I have the R1 Anchor Bay NTSC. It is not bad - good picture quality, OK sound, but no extras. The Spanish disc does have a documentary I think - I think it's 30 mnutes as well.
If anyone's going to Spain/Canary Islands in before me (I'm going around mid-November to the Canaries for two weeks) for a week, pick it up. :)
Yes, it has a BBFC cinema '18' certificate. It's cut, though, like the MPAA 'R' rated version. Was the same version submitted for a video certificate in 1999 or was it an uncut version?
is the documentry on the spanish disc in english?
i might invest in it if i can find a review of the disc and some clue as to whether its anamorphic or just widescreen like the anchor bay version
I cannot find much information on the disc, but the DVD is in widescreen, but it isn't anamorphic.
The sound is in English mono, and there are Spanish subtitles. I think there is a documentary and a trailer on the disc as well. I don't know if it is in English or not.
I suspect the menus will be in Spanish. It sounds like an uncut version.
ive just had a beek at the imdb alternate versions and the cut r rated version was released around the world
the anchor bay version is the directors intended ratio and inserts additional cut footage to the rape scene
the danish disc was badly cut during these scenes and cut away during it it was 4.3 only
id like to know more about it i fear it is cut but the doc may be worth seeing
the resubmitted version for release was the already cut r rated version it was then withdrawn as they didnt want to cut an already cut film
Well, I cannot find a review of the Spanish disc anywhere in English. Not even one in Spanish.
So if you want to find out, paying the dosh may be the only option! :(
Gary Couzens
12-10-2001, 00:02
Originally posted by dunctay
ive just had a beek at the imdb alternate versions and the cut r rated version was released around the world
the anchor bay version is the directors intended ratio and inserts additional cut footage to the rape scene
The Anchor Bay "uncut" version is the same as the one released in UK cinemas in 1972. It was seen in pre-production by the then BBFC secretary, Stephen Murphy, who advised the makers to tone down the rape scene. This is the version then passed uncut by the BBFC: the extra material in the rape scene is a shot lasting less than a second.
The rape scene was not as explicit as Peckinpah originally intended: Susan George refused to be shown completely nude.
MINOR SPOILER
I'm not sure if the shot of someone blowing his own foot off (towards the end of the film) is intact or not in the R-rated version. Perhaps someone could confirm - do you see this happen or just the aftermath?
What is the shot lasting less than a second? I guess it is in the rape scene...
The Australian version is supposedly also uncut as well.
Hasn't a video recentlly been passed with an 'Over 18' certificate in Eire recently?
Gary Couzens
12-10-2001, 07:45
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul490
What is the shot lasting less than a second? I guess it is in the rape scene...
A shot of Amy (Susan George) being taken from behind.
the danish version of the rape scene was short not showing the guy with the shotgun moving behind and there was no shots of her 'enjoyin the rape'
i think the old video i had was slighty longer in these scenes but not as long as the anchor bay version which because of the extra shots does not look as if she is being buggered which she does after the bbfc made cuts.
ive ordered the spanish version its worth a peek as its a favourite movie of mine.
i,ll put in a review when it arrives.
According to Susan George, in the BBC documentary "Man Of Iron", Peckinpah intended that Amy should be forcibly sodomised but that this should be left for the audience to deduce.
If it is a better version than the Anchor Bay release dunctay, I'll buy it when I go next month, and get rid of my Anchor Bay disc.
It sounds promising.
John Hodson
13-10-2001, 11:35
Just a thought; after Hitch and Kubrick, wouldn't a Sam Peckinpah boxet be terrific?
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So many films, so little time...
it would be very nice to have a box set but its more money to splash out and they are quite cheap individually
wild bunch £7.99 at play247 at the moment
John Hodson
13-10-2001, 15:59
Originally posted by dunctay
it would be very nice to have a box set but its more money to splash out and they are quite cheap individually
wild bunch £7.99 at play247 at the moment
Hmmm - flipper (sorry, but in this case I don't like it, even though I have it), and where the heck is the restored Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid ? Peckinpah doesn't deserve the featureless disks that are out now, to paraphrase Dietrich, he was 'one hell of a film maker'.
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So many films, so little time...
I agree about "the Wild Bunch" - hell of a film, but the side break isn't even in a sensible place. A Special Edition would be very nice.
"Pat Garratt and Billy The Kid" is in dire need of a two disc set, with both versions of the film, so we don't lose the bits in the theatrical version that aren't in the director's cut, and a commentary from Kris Kristofferson and James Coburn - one of the few Sam films where both leads are still alive. It'd be nice to have the 1991 BBC documentary as well, which is wonderful.
dunctay - Have you received the Spanish DVD of Straw Dogs yet? Is it any good/uncut etc?
Cheers. :)
For those that are interested, I have the Spanish DVD.
The prints appears to be identical to the Anchor Bay (i.e. widescreen, good transfer, uncut). Although not obvious (to me, anyway), it can be viewed in English with Spanish subtitles removed.
The audio quality is ok (and mono, I think) but I'm sure it could have been noise-reduced with modern technology.
Although labelled as "PAL Zone 2", the DVD plays fine on my Macintosh (which is set to play only Region 1 DVDs).
So far, so good. Since the Danish DVD is fullscreen and cut, this must be the only widescreen uncut DVD of Straw Dogs which will play on an unmodified Region 2 player. Furthermore, it's PAL format (can't tell whether it's anamorphic), so the quality is as good as you can get right now.
Extras ? Minimal. There is a truly awful transfer of a dreadful American documentary about Dustin Hoffman. Coverage of Straw Dogs is minimal and the quality of the film clips couldn't be worse. There are (selected) filmographies of Dustin Hoffman, Susan George, Peter Vaughan and Sam Peckinpah (in Spanish, of course) and a very brief cast and crew listing.
Whatever you do, don't buy this DVD for the extras !
As Michael Brooke said in his recent review, this film is absolutely crying out for a decent treatment on DVD. Hopefully, we might see one sometime...
Peter
thats a bugger as mine will be here soon anyway i,ll have a look at it when it arrives and give my verdict.
pity about the extras though
pwoods can you tell me where you bought your Spanish disk from as Iam not multi-region and desperatley want this film, thanks.
I bought miine from www.dvdgo.com, which has an English language option (handy if your Spanish extends to about three words !)
Peter
Well, the PAL stuff is what I wanted anyway.
The disc sounds like something taken off the AB disc. Someone do an anamorphic widescreen special edition of this! :)
EDIT - Chris21 - The disc is Region 2, as it comes from Spain.
Just to clear everything up, I e-mailed the Irish censor about this title, and they told me that the video version is cut - the cut version was passed in 1999.
Of course, I may be wrong.
Originally posted by Paul490
Just to clear everything up, I e-mailed the Irish censor about this title, and they told me that the video version is cut - the cut version was passed in 1999.
Does the Irish Censor have a website of some sort by any chance?
No, they don't have a website. They do have an e-mail address though.
It's here (ifco@iol.ie).
I actually received my Anchor Bay copy from ********* this morning... Looking forward to checking it out.
i can confirm the R2 spanish copy of Straw Dogs is uncut and possibly the same print as the anchor bay release.
It is non anamorphic and listed as 1.85 but looks the same ratio as the 1.77 anchor bay release.
Unless you speak spanish turning off the subs is tricky
the documentry is about Hoffman and is poor quality but does contain a trailer for straw dogs which is interesting.
The print is in good shape all i noticed was the colours were paler compared to the AB copy.
So if you want a PAL copy its the best out there and cost £15 with postage.
As a favourite of mine i think some its time a special edition was released.
Originally posted by Paul490
No, they don't have a website. They do have an e-mail address though.
It's here (ifco@iol.ie).
Ah, I see. Cheers. :)
It's actually more like £18 dunctay. It's damned expensive with postage though - without it, it's only £11! http://members.tripod.co.uk/Paul490/eek.gif
mine was £15 with postage from mundolaser bit cheaper than dvdgo though they are quicker
Ah. Right.
I'm probably best keeping my Anchor Bay version then for a while until some company does a special edition.
depends whether ya like Pal or Ntsc i like my anchor bay one best
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