The Manchester United Thread [Archive] - Page 14

madstu

01-06-2004, 12:08

Originally posted by unrealnils
I thought a lot of the fans did like him as he never complains about a starting slot and always seem to to give 100% when does play.

We all know he aint good enough but i never hear loads of fans say that hate him sure they say he's crap

Not bad for a bench player :searchme:

not good enough for Utd, Fergie has no confidence in him, and wont play him in the big games, and he has not shown that he can improve to an acceptable level. add to that he was not cheap and is probably on a phat contract - sure he scored a couple of goals at the pool, but thats not enough. Surely all Utd fans agree its time for him to go. :wave:

unrealnils

01-06-2004, 12:13

Yeah time to go i agree just saying the fans still like him rather then hate him right ??

:suspect:

madstu

01-06-2004, 12:31

Originally posted by unrealnils
Yeah time to go i agree just saying the fans still like him rather then hate him right ??

:suspect:

don't hate him, because he's a likable chap, but his incessant poor peformances mean I don't want him to play, and I cringe when he's playing.

Pisces Iscariot

01-06-2004, 12:33

Yeah, he's very frustrating but it's fair to say he was a fan fave at one point.

I agree it's time for him to go and I hope he does well.

HenryKrinkle

01-06-2004, 13:01

He did score some fantastic goals though :wave:

The 3 little pigs

01-06-2004, 14:08

His confidence is too brittle for OT. He can score some crackers, but if he loses his bottle when he gets dropped for a couple of games then he his no use to us.

We should give 'Boro a call :D :wave:

TheDot

01-06-2004, 16:39

Didnt he score a superb goal against Rangers in the CL for us last season?

Anyway, like wat has been said before- his consistancy is terrible and TBH i jst dont think he is good enough for the premier league.
Im sure he would do well somewhere else......come on boro, he wud be a great addition to the "zzzzzzzz striker collection"

Scoob

01-06-2004, 17:43

The amount of great chances that he has put over the bar from about 5 yards just isn't funny. Never moans or complains to newspapers but simply not up to the standard the fans are expecting.
Reckon he would do well in the first divison.

evilsly

02-06-2004, 01:01

Carlos is back

:clap: :clap:

Carlos Queiroz has accepted an offer from Sir Alex Ferguson to return to Manchester United as assistant manager. The sacked Real Madrid coach informed United of his decision last night and hopes to fly to Manchester this week to finalise a two-year contract.
Two weeks after being sacked as coach at the Bernabéu, Queiroz will take the place of Walter Smith on the backroom staff.

Smith's contract expired on Monday, the Scot having worked alongside Ferguson during a difficult three months that saw them eliminated from the Champions League and surrender the title to Arsenal, although they did remove the Gunners from the FA Cup and go on to win it.

Ferguson had been monitoring Queiroz's position for weeks, since it became apparent that the former Portugal and South Africa coach would be sacked by Real at the end of their hugely disappointing season.

As well as finishing only fourth in the league, meaning that, like United, they will have to play in next season's Champions League qualifiers, Real set an undistinguished club record in losing five successive league matches.

Queiroz's recruitment from Old Trafford a year ago was subsequently described as a "mistake" by the Spanish club's president Florentino Pérez. Ferguson, however, has never lost faith in the Portuguese, who has also been linked strongly with a move to Tottenham. In an impassioned defence of his former assistant recently, Ferguson even argued that Queiroz should be absolved of the majority of blame for Real's poor season.

Ferguson, presently on holiday will link up again with Queiroz for United's pre-season tour of the United States.

from todays guardian.

also re heinze

The Paris St-Germain coach Vahid Halilhodzic has underlined the club's determination to maximise their profits from the sale of the Argentinian defender Gabriel Heinze, who is wanted by United.

Taking his cue from comments by the club president Francis Graille on Monday, Halilhodzic said: "We are now waiting for Manchester to make a bid. We are determined to sell Heinze as expensively as possible because he had a big season, probably his best season. He is also well paid at PSG and he has got a very big potential. Why should we sell at a low price?

"On the pitch Heinze is a fighter, he is a winner, but in life he is rebellious. It was not easy every day with him but I am the coach and I don't have to justify my choices. There is no problem; I know how to do the job."

why can I see this transfer turning into another goofy style farce :(

Francis

02-06-2004, 10:22

Uruguay lost last night to Peru, but amazing and frankly unbelievable reports are arriving that Forlan scored in the 3-1 loss. Until video evidence arrives at Red Issue towers, we won’t be convinced it happened. But then isn’t that what got us in this mess in the first place?

FBI

02-06-2004, 17:18

Originally posted by evilsly

also re heinze

why can I see this transfer turning into another goofy style farce :(

Yes we should pull out now. PSG will do everything in their power to make this transfer as messy as possible. Although admittedly this time they won't have Peter Kenyon on their side.

ryonhilluk

02-06-2004, 21:25

Carlos Q.

“Yes I will return to Manchester United next month. There are just a few things to adjust but, everything is set for my return to Manchester. I will work on the same basic lines last time, with the same responsibilities that I has in 2002/2003 season but, one thing changed, my contract now will be for a long time. My mission now at the club will be working with Sir Alex Ferguson to build a much stronger Manchester United team and return to the top world club."

Listy

03-06-2004, 01:42

Nice to see Carlos back :clap: He might not be the worlds best manager but he's an excellent assistant manager :thumbs:

marky_h

03-06-2004, 08:16

Originally posted by Listy
Nice to see Carlos back :clap: He might not be the worlds best manager but he's an excellent assistant manager :thumbs:

Certainly is. I've got a good feeling about next season, now...

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

03-06-2004, 09:34

Originally posted by marky_h
Certainly is. I've got a good feeling about next season, now...

Agree, be great to have him back.
Interesting he mentions the offer of coming back was too good to turn down as it makes him favourite to take over from SAF in the future.

HenryKrinkle

03-06-2004, 09:41

Originally posted by ©™~UKJEZZA~™©
Agree, be great to have him back.
Interesting he mentions the offer of coming back was too good to turn down as it makes him favourite to take over from SAF in the future.

...now you just had to go and ruin my euphoria didn't you :( ;)

Bleeders

03-06-2004, 10:17

Great to hear Carlos is back for us. :D

d.boyd1uk

04-06-2004, 19:59

Oliver Kahn to join Man Utd?
just another rumour

http://www.thefootballforum.net/mb/showthread.php?t=24051

Art Vanderlay

04-06-2004, 22:30

Originally posted by d.boyd1uk
Oliver Kahn to join Man Utd?
just another rumour

http://www.thefootballforum.net/mb/showthread.php?t=24051

This came up a few days ago.

I sincerely hope it is - as I suspect - just blustering on Kahn's part to try to get a better deal at Bayern

I really would not like him to come to United.

ryonhilluk

05-06-2004, 09:21

He wants a new contract, the only surprise is that he suggests us other than the club thats only ever one 1 league title in its history.

Sonick

07-06-2004, 18:08

France left winger Jerome Rothen was poised to sign for Paris St Germain who have agreed a deal with Manchester United for their Argentina defender Gabriel Heinze.

Club sources told the Monday's Le Parisien that a 9 million euro (6 million pound) transfer fee has been agreed with United for Heinze.

Le Parisien said PSG had agreed an 11-million euro fee for Nantes defenders Sylvain Armand and Mario Yepes as replacements.

The 26-year-old Heinze has just broken into his national team but also has a German passport.

Last week United spent 7 million pounds on Alan Smith in a controversial move from Leeds. But it was in defence that United were found wanting last season following the suspension of Rio Ferdinand after he received an eight-month ban for missing a drugs test.

Heinze, who plays on the left side of central defence, would an ideal partner for Ferdinand, with Mikael Silvestre returning to left back.

Heinze - who has also played for Valladolid in Spain and Portugal's Sporting Lisbon - is highly-rated.

Chelsea were reported to have made a 10 million euro (7 million pound) bid for Heinze in January but PSG president Francis Graille said then the player would not move until the end of the season.

A move to Spanish side Barcelona last June was also blocked by the club and he was unhappy at being played at left-back by new coach Vahid Halilhodzic.

"On the pitch I had no complaints, but he was difficult to handle off the pitch," Halilhodzic said last week of Heinze.

Rothen said: "I'm going to sign for PSG. I'm relieved."

Graille refused to confirm the move and Monaco's representative Jeannot Werth said: "Nothing will be concluded for a few days."

But reports said a 10 million euro transfer fee had been agreed for Rothen.

The 26-year-old Rothen was outstanding in Monaco's march to the Champions League final against Porto with his wing play in the second leg of the semi-final against Chelsea being decisive as he almost singlehandedly pulled them round after they went 1-0 down.

His agent has been negotiating with PSG for the last fortnight.

Crouching Tiger

07-06-2004, 23:13

Ronaldo will not be banned for first game of next season as Rob Stiles has rescinded the first booking that Ronaldo got against Villa for diving.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

09-06-2004, 06:37

Originally posted by joconnor
You people that slag off Fletcher are going to feel like right tits in a few years time.

He is going to be Utds lynchpin in midfield for the next ten years.

Get behind the lad instead of slagging him off?

I mentioned Fletcher along with Djemba x2, Butt and Forlan mate.

Guti and Solari are in my opinion better players and certainly better squad players.

I've made my feelings known about Fletcher before, i wouldn't waste my breath on this thread.
If you want to turn my post into a "Stop slagging off Fletcher" debate then that's your call. :searchme:

TheDot

09-06-2004, 13:13

SKY SPORTS

Manchester United are set to complete the signing of Paris Saint Germain defender Gabriel Heinze after the player flew into England for further talks.
The Old Trafford outfit have lined up a five-year deal with PSG for the stopper and they hope to conclude a deal in the next 24 hours.

The Argentina international is understood to have already agreed terms with the FA Cup winners and United have reached an agreed fee with PSG after lengthy talks.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is a big fan of the player and wants him to bolster his defensive options as he can in the centre of defence or at full back.

Heinze would compliment Rio Ferdinand in the heart of the Manchester United rearguard, possibly allowing Mikael Silvestre to switch back to left-back.

The deal was being held up as PSG were searching for a replacement before letting him go, but now they have lined up a deal for of Nantes Sylvain Armand to help fill the void by Heinze's departure.

Meanwhile, United youngster Mads Timm has returned to the club from his loan spell at Viking.

Timm failed to impress caretaker boss Bjarne Berntsen during his loan stay at the Norwegian side and he will return to Old Trafford next month.

"He's got extreme individual skills, but he is not the player we need," Berntsen told Aftenbladet.

platty

10-06-2004, 11:24

It's just been on Century radio up here, that Utd have signed the Argy full details to be announced later this afternoon !

ryonhilluk

10-06-2004, 17:41

http://www.manutd.com/splashPages/blue.sps?itype=5785&icustompageid=8397

Transfer completed.

Listy

10-06-2004, 17:50

Has anyone on here actually seen Heinze play? I'd never heard of him until United upped their interest and signed him.

sigur

10-06-2004, 17:54

Originally posted by Listy
Has anyone on here actually seen Heinze play? I'd never heard of him until United upped their interest and signed him.

chelsea were interested in him in January.

Accordiing to what i have heard he is meant to not a bad player who is comfortable on the ball and has a turn of pace.

Way_2_FAT

10-06-2004, 18:24

Who? :searchme:

ryonhilluk

10-06-2004, 19:01

I've seen him a few times and from what i saw he is a really talented defender, a good header of the ball in both penalty areas and can play a bit as well.

Kronik

10-06-2004, 19:54

Apparently he's known as the Argentinian Cygan. :wave:

Way_2_FAT

10-06-2004, 20:06

:cry:

MaxNutter

10-06-2004, 20:43

Originally posted by Kronik
Apparently he's known as the Argentinian Cygan. :wave:

by whom?

Sonick

10-06-2004, 20:45

He voted the Dirtiest defender in france

great
him and Alan Smith:suspect:

Sonick

10-06-2004, 20:47

Originally posted by Kronik
Apparently he's known as the Argentinian Cygan. :wave:

like that player liverpool have signed "The French Heskey":D

MaxNutter

10-06-2004, 21:18

Originally posted by Sonick
He voted the Dirtiest defender in france

great
him and Alan Smith:suspect:

great, back to the ninetees, the days of cantona, keane, ince and robbo ... get that fire back into the bellys ...

FBI

10-06-2004, 22:07

Originally posted by Kronik
Apparently he's known as the Argentinian Cygan. :wave:

By who exactly?

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

10-06-2004, 23:03

Originally posted by MaxNutter
great, back to the ninetees, the days of cantona, keane, ince and robbo ... get that fire back into the bellys ...

Yeh except it's now be Smith, Fletcher, Djemba x2 and
Butt/P Neville/Kleberson/Richardson etc :oh-hum:

Not quite the same really!! ;)

On a more serious note, what would Cantona, Keane, Ince and Robbo of then be worth in today's transfer market?

I bet not even Chelsea could afford them!!

We'll never see the likes of those 4 at UTD everr again, especially if you add Hughes and Kanchelskis.
What a 6 that was!! :notworthy :notworthy

joconnor

11-06-2004, 02:24

Ince should never be mentioned in the same breath as Robbo, Keane and Eric.

I still can't believe people are saying Fletch is bad, you really are going to feel silly next season.

sigur

11-06-2004, 08:37

Originally posted by joconnor
Ince should never be mentioned in the same breath as Robbo, Keane and Eric.

I still can't believe people are saying Fletch is bad, you really are going to feel silly next season.

I have watched Fletcher a few times this season and i have been proved wrong.

At first i thought he was dire and way below the level needed by Utd, however he was playing at right mid. The last few games where he played Centre Mid he has looked tremendous, i was proved wrong.

This is a player thats going to do extremely well.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

11-06-2004, 08:43

Originally posted by joconnor
I still can't believe people are saying Fletch is bad, you really are going to feel silly next season.

I just feel Fletcher is over rated.
People have gone overboard about his performance in the 1st half against Arsenal where he didn't give the ball away constantly as he usually does.

Anyone who thinks we'll win the premiership back from Arsenal AND finish above Chelsea with Fletcher playing in the midfield is entitled to their opinion. Football is all about opinions.

I hope we go for Gerrard myself, the only player capable of replacing Keane as SAF quite rightly said recently.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

11-06-2004, 08:43

DOH!! Dupe Post

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

11-06-2004, 08:48

Originally posted by sigur
I have watched Fletcher a few times this season and i have been proved wrong.

At first i thought he was dire and way below the level needed by Utd, however he was playing at right mid. The last few games where he played Centre Mid he has looked tremendous, i was proved wrong.

This is a player thats going to do extremely well.

Would you play him in the Champions League in the centre or perhaps bring in a more creative player?

sigur

11-06-2004, 08:55

Originally posted by ©™~UKJEZZA~™©
Would you play him in the Champions League in the centre or perhaps bring in a more creative player?

It depends on who they were playing, because at the moment its still Keanes slot. Though Fletcher is still very young but looks like he has the potential to go on te be a good player.

I would play him as the battler in mid field and with a bit more weight on him i reckon he could make the position his.
:thumbs:

As for bringing in a creative midfielder? At the moment i would rather have one as Keane and him would be lacking in the creativity department, but when Keane goes:help: i think he will take that position.

Hopefully that makes sense, as im very hung over.

Scoob

11-06-2004, 13:10

at last now that Heinze has signed Fergie has finally the extra defender he shoulda bought last summer

andybhoy

11-06-2004, 16:54

Originally posted by ©™~UKJEZZA~™©
I just feel Fletcher is over rated.

Really? Then why didn't you mention it before? Oh wait, you did, about 305 times.

You'd think Fletcher had broken into your house on xmas day and wee'd on your pressies.

Try getting behind the team now and again.

Way_2_FAT

11-06-2004, 17:18

Fletcher ain't no Scholes or Zidane (at least not yet :D) but he does pass the ball well and don't forget his relatively young age, a few more years he could well develope into a world class central midfielder.

IMO his developement is crucial to the future of the Scotland national side, if he doesn't develope into the classy central midfielder we all expect of him (especially Ferguson), Utd could easily "dispose" of him.

Way_2_FAT

11-06-2004, 17:21

Edit: double post! :searchme:

Sonick

11-06-2004, 18:37

Gill on MUTV: No more signings

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going to have are work cut out now with no new creative player coming in

:mad:

Way_2_FAT

11-06-2004, 18:39

SOB! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sonick

11-06-2004, 18:54

David Gill, Chief Executive of Manchester United PLC, said "This is a great signing for Manchester United. We are always looking to strengthen our squad and the qualities that Gabriel will bring will be a tremendous asset as we prepare for the challenges of the new season ahead."

Communications Department,
Old Trafford, 11 June 2004
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But he also said this so if something catches fergie eye in euro 2004:D

Although it could be gill covering up

Way_2_FAT

11-06-2004, 19:09

What's the point of that, every team in europe knows we got an annual transfer budget easily into the £30M+ mark...

A central attacking mid or a long term pacey replacement for Giggs is a must!

:suspect:

SOUNDSTYLE

11-06-2004, 20:23

A few video clips here (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=69912&itype=466&icategoryid=123) [Under Photo]

Apparently a PSG fan was quoted as saying that the departure of Heinze is more of a major loss than Ronaldinho leaving the club.

:eek:

Dan

11-06-2004, 20:45

He doesn't look too bad actually.

Francis

11-06-2004, 20:46

He'll get booked for everyone of those tackles over here though ;)

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

11-06-2004, 20:52

Originally posted by andybhoy
Really? Then why didn't you mention it before? Oh wait, you did, about 305 times.

You'd think Fletcher had broken into your house on xmas day and wee'd on your pressies.

Try getting behind the team now and again.

A little perspective i think mate.
Saying i think Fletcher is over rated is not going against the team, just an opinion i happen to have.
If you think he's a great player then that's also fine. :|

Has anyone seen Heinze play? Don't know much about him myself.
Nice to hear he can play fullback as well as centre back though.

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

11-06-2004, 21:01

Originally posted by Sonick
Gill on MUTV: No more signings

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going to have are work cut out now with no new creative player coming in

:mad:

If that's true then that is indeed grave news :oh-hum:

Surely SAF and the board don't think Smith and Heinze are enough to wrestle the title back from Arsenal AND get the better of Chelsea?
What about bettering Real Madrid, AC Milan, Juventus, Valencia, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and the rest in the Champs League?

No, we MUST look to buy a World Class Creative midfield player if we've any chance of the above. (Saying nothing of the issue of replacing Keane in the next season or so!!)

I can see us signing Gerrard and Joaquin, no doubt!! ;)

ryonhilluk

11-06-2004, 21:07

Don't believe that for a minute, as soon as Diego and co leave another player or two will come in.

They just need to shove a few off the wage bill first.

Did anybody really expect him to say anything else?

TheDot

11-06-2004, 21:47

ahhh steven gerrard, if we could only sign one player this pre season it would have to been him.

The only replacement for Keane and the man to put the heart back into the 4 man midfield- lets face it (it hurts me to admit), Keane can only do a good job 1/4 gamesand will need replacing next pre season at the latest!

Also, with Ole past it :cry: and Diego (finally) going, we need another backup striker (aswell as smith).

And the left wing problem, looks like we r only gonna get another 2 or 3 season from giggs, so I think we should get a bit of competition for the place now.

The spending may be over-but only til after Euro 2004 finishes;)

welshmatt

12-06-2004, 01:36

Originally posted by ©™~UKJEZZA~™©

I can see us signing Gerrard and Joaquin, no doubt!! ;)

Apparantly Leeds got wind of these rumours and signed Joachim immediately!

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

12-06-2004, 07:03

Originally posted by welshmatt
Apparantly Leeds got wind of these rumours and signed Joachim immediately!

:lol:

Sonick

12-06-2004, 16:40

SSN reported today that we have put a 40 million bid in for torres

Can't see it there more chance of rooney

Sonick

12-06-2004, 16:45

Originally posted by welshmatt
Apparantly Leeds got wind of these rumours and signed Joachim immediately!

they also wanted a man servent for milner so they could tempt him into staying but end up signing a centreback from wolves:D :razz:

Way_2_FAT

12-06-2004, 16:51

Roy Keane is well past it and Giggs is slowing down and only good for another season at best (against the very best that is ;)), we need replacements for both more than anything else and a central attacking mid!

£40M for another striker ain't gonna bring the Premiership & CL title back at OT... :cry:

unrealnils

13-06-2004, 00:14

Torres will go to milan at the start of next summer :razz: i hope anyway :norty:

Scoob

13-06-2004, 10:06

saw Torres yesterday in his brief appearance for Spain, looked like a bit of a live wire and the clips of him on On The Ball were impressive. Looks to be a very promising young striker. (can't say much about the haircut tho :cuckoo: )

ryonhilluk

14-06-2004, 13:21

"According to Portugal Branch Office sources, Manchester United will land two new recruits until the end of the week. The Spanish defender Gerard Pique Barnabeu, from Barcelona FC and, the Italian left wing attacker Giuseppe Rossi, 17 years old from AC Parma. Both players are without contract and Manchester United will only have to compensate both clubs according to UEFA regulations. Gerard Pique Barnabeu, young centre back of 17 years old has refused to renew his contract by three times with Barcelona FC and will sign for Manchester United who won the race against rivals Chelsea and Arsenal, who have been interested in the young lad. More recently Sir Alex Ferguson has become surprised by the left wing Giuseppe Rossi who turned down a professional contract from AC Parma. The club is having problems with his finances and Giuseppe Rossi has refused the money offered by his club. Both players finish their contracts next month and should sign for us later this week. The players are both sub-17 internationals and will play on Manchester United reserve team next season."

TheDot

14-06-2004, 14:04

superb news^^ ive heard quite promising things about these 2
:clap:

Way_2_FAT

14-06-2004, 14:30

Done deals or just speculation?

ryonhilluk

14-06-2004, 14:37

Well its from www.manutdportugal.com who have been very reliable recently. They have people at both Portuguese and England training sessions during Euro 2004 as well.

They post news on the forums (in English :D ) at www.rednews.co.uk

Way_2_FAT

14-06-2004, 14:49

Cool, they got an ABU forum as well, worth a look... :D

ryonhilluk

14-06-2004, 16:00

David Bellion to Leicester on loan?

©™~UKJEZZA~™©

14-06-2004, 22:52

Fletcher on loan to the reserves for the season with any luck :lol:

suicidedd

14-06-2004, 23:05

:oh-hum:

Art Vanderlay

16-06-2004, 10:58

Re: Match Membership

I'm thinking of becoming a Match Member for next season to hopefully go to a few (ballot allowing) games at OT.

I understand that each member can only buy one ticket. Is that ticket usable by someone else?

I'm thinking of getting one membership for myself and another for my Dad. Say my Dad couldn't go to a match that we had successfully got tickets for - would my wife be able to use his ticket instead?

SteM

16-06-2004, 11:07

Originally posted by Art Vanderlay
Re: Match Membership

I'm thinking of becoming a Match Member for next season to hopefully go to a few (ballot allowing) games at OT.

I understand that each member can only buy one ticket. Is that ticket usable by someone else?

I'm thinking of getting one membership for myself and another for my Dad. Say my Dad couldn't go to a match that we had successfully got tickets for - would my wife be able to use his ticket instead?

They do say that tickets are not transferable but I passed tickets on to friends last season without any problems. Your name is on the ticket but there really is no problem. A mate of mine used my girlfriends ticket with her name on it for the United/City cup match, they don't even look at the tickets at the turnstiles.

Art Vanderlay

16-06-2004, 11:16

Thanks SteM - thought that was probably the case

Sonick

16-06-2004, 14:21

http://www.squarefootball.net/content/article/article.asp?aid=860

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the things people write:D :lol:

Way_2_FAT

16-06-2004, 14:25

:suspect:

TheDot

16-06-2004, 14:49

I wonder wat that guy is on....

budgenk

16-06-2004, 15:27

Mexes rejects United

sigur

16-06-2004, 15:29

Originally posted by budgenk
Mexes rejects United

Apparently he is worried he wont get a first team place. If i were Roma i would be a little worried by that.

unrealnils

16-06-2004, 16:51

Roma have lost a defeneder you lot haven't !!

SteM

16-06-2004, 17:06

Originally posted by unrealnils
Roma have lost a defeneder you lot haven't !!

He's a 22 year old so you'd think if he had any ambition he'd go to who he thinks is the better club and then fight for his place there. If he has confidence in his own ability then he should think he can get his place anywhere.

Don't think Roma will get him for what they are currently offering though.

Sonick

16-06-2004, 17:25

Originally posted by sigur
Apparently he is worried he wont get a first team place. If i were Roma i would be a little worried by that.

hasn't got much confidence in himself:suspect:

unrealnils

17-06-2004, 10:42

SteM

17-06-2004, 13:26

Seems Mexes is off to Roma, they've agreed a 4 year deal.

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040617/4/4gnb.html

ryonhilluk

18-06-2004, 12:44

Remember the Rooney to United deal that Lee Clayton talked about a few weeks ago?

Well he's on talksport in the mornings during Euro 2004 and still stands by his story and that it'll all be announced after Euro 2004 when Everton have sold all their season tickets.

The amount of people that mention this story means that something is going on surely?

Way_2_FAT

18-06-2004, 13:10

What the one with the cash plus Alan Smith part exchange deal? :suspect:

SteM

18-06-2004, 13:23

Originally posted by ryonhilluk
Remember the Rooney to United deal that Lee Clayton talked about a few weeks ago?

Well he's on talksport in the mornings during Euro 2004 and still stands by his story and that it'll all be announced after Euro 2004 when Everton have sold all their season tickets.

The amount of people that mention this story means that something is going on surely?

I'd guess that United are going to wait and see that occurs with RVN after Euro 2004. If he has a good tournament and moves on then a Rooney bid could be on the cards but I can't see them both at United at the same time.

Smith + cash for Rooney sounds a bit far fetched for me.

ryonhilluk

18-06-2004, 20:02

No, this is getting him as well as Smith. I think Smith is seen as a right sided midfielder as well and that gives 4 options for the wide areas with Giggs, Ronaldo, Ole (if he stays :( ) and Smith.

Red Issue may have some news on this in the next couple of days so we'll have to wait and see.

18-06-2004, 20:25

Originally posted by ryonhilluk
Remember the Rooney to United deal that Lee Clayton talked about a few weeks ago?

Well he's on talksport in the mornings during Euro 2004 and still stands by his story and that it'll all be announced after Euro 2004 when Everton have sold all their season tickets.

The amount of people that mention this story means that something is going on surely? When I mentioned Rooney in January, most people were dead against it - now they're not. Funny that?

Saha and Smith have been added since I suggested Rooney, so I'm pretty sure we won't get him now. Midfield should be the place where AF is looking to strengthen.

18-06-2004, 20:31

Originally posted by SteM
Smith + cash for Rooney sounds a bit far fetched for me. Yep it is utter garbage - sounds like a rumour spread by United fans dead against him playing for us.

18-06-2004, 20:33

Originally posted by ryonhilluk
No, this is getting him as well as Smith. I think Smith is seen as a right sided midfielder as well and that gives 4 options for the wide areas with Giggs, Ronaldo, Ole (if he stays :( ) and Smith.
I thought AF said he wanted to play Smith uo front:confused:

ryonhilluk

18-06-2004, 21:12

He said that but there will probably be two positions open and we only have 3 strikers. Forlan is off and Ole is a right sided midfielder, Smith can play there as well.

Rooney wouldn't start that many games anyway, more or less the same as he does for Everton now.

18-06-2004, 21:32

Originally posted by ryonhilluk
Rooney wouldn't start that many games anyway, more or less the same as he does for Everton now. Do you honestly believe that United would pay £45m+ for someone who would not play regularly?:D:nuts:

Francis

18-06-2004, 21:38

He'd need to sign a new contract before any of the valuations knocking about became realistic. And if he did sign one, it'd make it clear he isn't going anywhere for a few years.

madstu

18-06-2004, 23:16

Rooney will not go to Utd for £45m:searchme:

For the sake of the player, I hope he stays at Everton for a few more years, no offence to Everton fans, but at some point he will want to play at a bigger club.

But at the moment he would not be a regular striker at the likes of Man Utd or Chelsea, who are probably the only clubs that could affiord him. He would be stifled at both these clubs, let him develop a bit more then he can move on.

I honestly think that the best thing for hiom to do is to stay at Everton for at least another 2 years,

ryonhilluk

19-06-2004, 07:22

Originally posted by nc
Do you honestly believe that United would pay £45m+ for someone who would not play regularly?:D:nuts:

Of course not, Everton will get nowhere near that, and they know that as well. They are just concentrating on selling season tickets before they do sell him.

Ronaldo hasn't started every game, Giggs didn't and Rooney wouldn't either until he gets a bit older.

19-06-2004, 12:27

Originally posted by ryonhilluk
Of course not, Everton will get nowhere near that, and they know that as well. They are just concentrating on selling season tickets before they do sell him.
With the Russian about, of course they would! Didn't they bid £70m for Raul last summer and £60m for Ronaldinho this one?

Ronaldo hasn't started every game, Giggs didn't and Rooney wouldn't either until he gets a bit older.
Ronaldo was £12m, Giggs was free, Rooney's price will be scandalous and well out of our reach!

ryonhilluk

20-06-2004, 18:42

Well if the price is so much then why are Fergie ang Gill talking to his agent about a transfer?

ryonhilluk

20-06-2004, 18:44

Originally posted by nc
With the Russian about, of course they would! Didn't they bid £70m for Raul last summer and £60m for Ronaldinho this one?

Well if they have so much money and are such a good club then why aren't any of these big money moves happening then?

Although they are very close to signing Gerrard.

20-06-2004, 22:42

In response to your 2 replies.
Since when are Gil and Ferguson talking to Rooney's agent? Are these rumours from the Sunday Sport.
Anyhow, even if this were true, it is irrelevant. It is the club who decides whether he goes, and for how much >£50m
Rooney article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/3822981.stm)
Here is a quote from their chairman "I have heard talk of Manchester United having a done deal. But I have had no contact whatsoever with United, and you would think they would ring, wouldn't you?"
Buying Rooney now would be retarded and makes no sense. Why didn't we buy him 6 months ago pre-Saha and Smith when he would have cost less than half what he would cost now?

There is only one player I think we would bust the bank for and that is Gerard.

Since when did I say Chelsea are such a good club??
Real supposedly turned down a Raul bid, and Ronaldinho himself snubbed Chelsea.

Listy

21-06-2004, 00:39

Ronaldinho himself snubbed Chelsea.

So did Walter Samuel and from what I've heard Nedved rejected them point blank aswell :thumbs:

Way_2_FAT

21-06-2004, 00:44

It's because of the way Chelsea treats all their star players, just ask the likes of Damien Duff, not even played a full season and gets an immediate kick in the face with the club signing Robben...

:lol:

budgenk

21-06-2004, 01:15

Originally posted by nc
Ronaldinho himself snubbed Chelsea.

pot meet kettle. at least we won't have Chelsea players whining about it in the press like Roy Keane 'he hasn't got the bottle for a challenge'. Barca btw are automatically in the CL next year, quite a bounce back for them. :thumbs:

also amused to hear horsey slagging off Robben for choosing Chelsea over United, and equally amused to read this response: have another sugarlump (http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1-1139981,00.html)

budgenk

21-06-2004, 01:18

Originally posted by Way_2_FAT
It's because of the way Chelsea treats all their star players, just ask the likes of Damien Duff, not even played a full season and gets an immediate kick in the face with the club signing Robben...

:lol:

the thing is that each of those players can play left/right/2nd striker, so hopefully there will be places for both in the starting eleven. otherwise that does suck, I agree, Duff is fantastic, and it's only his long injuries which allowed Wayne Bridge to surpass him as best Abramovic signing

Way_2_FAT

21-06-2004, 01:30

Originally posted by budgenk
also amused to hear horsey slagging off Robben for choosing Chelsea over United

No wonder all the Dutch players hate each other... :nuts:

Listy

21-06-2004, 03:09

also amused to hear horsey slagging off Robben for choosing Chelsea over United, and equally amused to read this response

I like the way Robben claims it wasn't about the money but then comes out with:

”It was also an easy choice for me in the end because United weren't as persuasive."

See Persuasive should read "Chelsea offered me more money than United so I chose them instead" :D

dos

21-06-2004, 08:08

He's jumping on the end of an era bandwagon to try and cover his money grabbing arse. Everyone knows he went for the....

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/dosdos-money.jpg

budgenk

21-06-2004, 10:53

Originally posted by Listy

See Persuasive should read "Chelsea offered me more money than United so I chose them instead" :D [/B]

Or it could read "United arrogantly assumed I'd wet myself at their initial offer, and waited for me to call them back"

is that also the reason Ronaldinho went to Barca instead, or are you ignoring that one?

21-06-2004, 11:19

Originally posted by budgenk
is that also the reason Ronaldinho went to Barca instead, or are you ignoring that one? Errrr... no!
PSG agreed a fee with Barca, but not us - as PSG did not like Cuddly Pete - strange we've just done a deal with them now he's gone:D
Personal terms had been agreed with Ronaldinho, so the failure is 100% one mans fault.

Not getting Ronaldinho is a blessing in disguise though - we would not have got Ronaldo.

Sonick

21-06-2004, 16:53

Sir Alex Ferguson has scoffed at talk linking Manchester United with Dutch winger Rafael van der Vaart.

Speculation linking the Holland midfielder with Old Trafford has been growing since the start of Euro 2004 - but while the tabloids have declared a bid is imminent, it looks as though Ferguson has other ideas.

The United boss has gone on record saying he has no interest in the Ajax ace.

Asked for his views on the van der Vaart front, Ferguson declared: "Absolutely nothing is happening. You can run the story if you like. I would be delighted if you did because it would keep the scent off."

Van der Vaart fanned the flames himself before the European Championships got underway when he denied claims that Ferguson had been in contact with him

"Sir Alex Ferguson has not been visiting me, and that's a fact." But van der Vaart did cast doubts about his long-term future at Ajax by adding: "I have not made a decision yet, but I understand that I will have to make one soon."
expected to make a move for the high-profile Dutch star.
With United apparently showing no interest, Barcelona are

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http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,848395,00.html

Keep the scent off what:)

FBI

21-06-2004, 16:55

Originally posted by budgenk
also amused to hear horsey slagging off Robben for choosing Chelsea over United, and equally amused to read this response: have another sugarlump (http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1-1139981,00.html)

The way you refer to RVN is childish and says a lot about you. Grow up.

Francis

21-06-2004, 17:11

I think, given the choice of Chelsea, Man United and Barca, Goofy would have always picked Barca. Still feels better to blame Kenyon the gimp though :D
As for the Gerard rumours, it is starting to sound very like he's Chelsea bound (much as I'd love to see him at United as Keano's lon term replacement). Chelsea have a pretty good midfield though with Lampard and Parker, plus Makalele (if he's there much longer anyways). Then Mourinho wants and has supposedly almost agreed the deal for Deco, and Costinha as well, don't know if that was rumour or another near done deal though?
Add in Robben, Duff and I can't think who plays on the right for Chelsea, that's alot of big money talent fighting it out between two central midfiled positions and the left wing.
At least some of it has to be rumour nonsense, Kenyon and Abramovich may want them all, but I can't imagine Mourinho or the players themselves going for it :searchme:

edit - Joe Cole has to be off on loan somewhere next season :nuts:

21-06-2004, 17:13

Originally posted by Sonick
.Asked for his views on the van der Vaart front, Ferguson declared: "Absolutely nothing is happening. You can run the story if you like. I would be delighted if you did because it would keep the scent off."
Is that a hint then that Fergie is after someone?

unrealnils

21-06-2004, 17:23

Its scary how many good midfeilders they have :nuts:

Originally posted by FBI
The way you refer to RVN is childish and says a lot about you. Grow up. lol you must be good to tell that much from one word :lol:

21-06-2004, 17:30

Originally posted by Francis
I think, given the choice of Chelsea, Man United and Barca, Goofy would have always picked Barca. Still feels better to blame Kenyon the gimp though :D
As for the Gerard rumours, it is starting to sound very like he's Chelsea bound (much as I'd love to see him at United as Keano's lon term replacement). Chelsea have a pretty good midfield though with Lampard and Parker, plus Makalele (if he's there much longer anyways). Then Mourinho wants and has supposedly almost agreed the deal for Deco, and Costinha as well, don't know if that was rumour or another near done deal though?
Add in Robben, Duff and I can't think who plays on the right for Chelsea, that's alot of big money talent fighting it out between two central midfiled positions and the left wing.
At least some of it has to be rumour nonsense, Kenyon and Abramovich may want them all, but I can't imagine Mourinho or the players themselves going for it :searchme:

edit - Joe Cole has to be off on loan somewhere next season :nuts: With all the activity at Chelsea and Mourinho saying that he only wants a small squad, then most of the present squad must be up for grabs. So don't be surprised if AF is planning a Bargain Hunt at Chelsea.

FBI

21-06-2004, 17:46

Originally posted by unrealnils

lol you must be good to tell that much from one word :lol:

It's not really that difficult.

budgenk

21-06-2004, 18:20

Originally posted by FBI
The way you refer to RVN is childish and says a lot about you. Grow up.

:lol:

ryonhilluk

22-06-2004, 15:50

Originally posted by nc
In response to your 2 replies.
Since when are Gil and Ferguson talking to Rooney's agent? Are these rumours from the Sunday Sport.

I tend to ignore the media, they print garbage most of the time. This is from elsewhere and i have absolutely no reason not to believe it.

N00N00

22-06-2004, 16:22

Originally posted by FBI
The way you refer to RVN is childish and says a lot about you. Grow up.

There's nothing wrong with a little horseplay. If you had to say ABU at everyone who didn't agree with you rather than just typing it then you'd be hoarse by now. That trolling is far more childish than his behaviour, and at least he is entertaining.

To many people here act like attention hores if you ask me. You need to stop horsing around, look at little closer to home next time and get off you high (rocking) horse. :D

(spelt whores wrong so people see the joke / don't take offence).

Alan. b

22-06-2004, 19:18

Originally posted by N00N00
To many people here act like attention whores if you ask me. You need to stop horsing around, look at little closer to home next time and get off you high (rocking) horse.

I hope that doesn't apply to me :nono:

Either this thread gets back on track or I will close it down and take further action against certain members.

Dan

22-06-2004, 19:23

Originally posted by N00N00
There's nothing wrong with a little horsplay. If you had to say ABU at everyone who didn't agree with you rather than just typing it then you'd be hoarse by now. That trolling is far more childish than his behaviour, and at least he is entertaining.

To many people here act like attention whores if you ask me. You need to stop horsing around, look at little closer to home next time and get off you high (rocking) horse.

Perhaps you ought to stop posting in the Manchester United thread or you may find that you will not be able to post in any thread at all. :oh-hum:

N00N00

22-06-2004, 20:02

The comments are for FBI - I needed to use the plural to make the pun work!!!, (but that's not to say there aren't others). Looks like it went right over people's heads, though I suppose it needs to be said allowed to be obvious. :D

He complained about all the horse stuff and when he complains that usually means someone is on the right track. Therefore i thought we needed some more horse puns.:D (apologies for not making them more obvious - will put them in bold to avoid confusion and to aide those without a sense of humour).

The post was very much on topic and even had the obligatory term ABU in there. Certainly a lot more on topic than a lot of threads round here (including some which even I have partially helped to drag off topic).

I don't usually post in this thread and was merely defending someone from hypocritical criticism, hardly a crime really.

Anyway time for something else about Man U, when is their Champions League Qualifier? :D