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The Bear
21-11-2002, 12:48
Nice to see this is getting a second 'best of' release.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/index.cgi?page=News&id=3848
I really enjoyed the first one, and this set includes the fabulous 'Wrestling' episode, which I will be buying the set for alone.
He hints to his big American wrestling instructor that it might not all be as real as it seems. To which he takes great offence and procedes to train Louis to the point where he is physically sick!!
It also includes his 'Louis Meets the Hamiltons' which was ok, but provided one hilarious moment when:
Christine starts trying her luck with Louis after a bit too much wine!!
EDIT - OMG!! It's out this Monday. That was the first I'd heard of it.
Dang! Amazon.co.uk doesn't seem to list this.. I'll try play
I still wish they'd release ALL the episodes and not just these selections :-/
rumbletum
21-11-2002, 22:39
Originally posted by Nimak
Dang! Amazon.co.uk doesn't seem to list this.. I'll try play
Its showing on play for release next week :clap:
FightForTheRight
21-11-2002, 23:34
All the episodes would be a great idea!
At the moment, the only way to see any "Weird Weekends" is on the UK Horizons channel - they're on about once a week, at various times.
Particular episodes to watch out for are "Audition" (about Louis trying to make it as a Broadway star!) and the episode about TV infomercials (Louis presents a show on the American Home Shopping Network and meets random crazies).
Top show, but really needs more output on DVD.
The Bear
22-11-2002, 00:00
I agree, they need to release them all on DVD. Especially since I haven't seen all of them.
Can anyone find an episode guide? I've tried and failed.
wonderpants
22-11-2002, 00:12
Cant wait for this one, ive got the other and seen all the episode. i especially liked him getting pushed to the limit by the wrestlers.
I never got around to buying the first one so i'll be after the box set that has both versions now. Top banana. :)
Just reviewed it here (http://www.dvdtimes.org.uk/index.cgi?page=Review&id=1147&story=3871)
Have you seen the news item today that he has had to give up because he can't get any new guests? It's on the BBC site here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2522191.stm). Unsurprising really. It was only a matter of time before people caught on and avoided him, or took advantage knowing the kind of coverage they would get.
rumbletum
28-11-2002, 13:24
I'd be glad to see him move away from the celeb interviews TBH, I much prefer seeing him meet weird americans!
Thornastor
28-11-2002, 13:25
I was just about post that news ah well:)
SqueakyG
09-01-2006, 14:28
Actually they aren't new :| . They seem to be the same individual discs from the old "Best of Weird Weekends" releases, now sold as 4 single-disc volumes, for £5.99 each. Released on the 16th.
Vol 1: Porn, Survivalists.
Vol 2: Wrestling, Hypnosis, When Louis met The Hamiltons
Vol 3: Swingers, South Africa
Vol 4: Gangsta Rap, UFOs, When Louis met Jimmy Saville.
Kind of a shame they are not new episodes to DVD. It made me go and search for a list of all the episodes, to jog my memory. Anyone else remember how great this how was? I just got his book too. I recall that most episodes of Weird Weekends were great, then his c-list celebrity programmes were a bit of a disappointment, then he returned in 2003 with some longer episodes that were back to the quality and stle of Weekends. Here's the list:
Weird Weekends (not in order) :
UFOs
Christianity
Porn
Survivalists
Demolition Derby
Swingers
Wrestling
Infomercials
Gangsta Rap
India - Enlightenment
Hypnosis/Self-Help
South Africa
Body-Building
Black Nationalism
Looking For Love/Thai Brides
Off-Off Broadway
When Louis Met...:
Jimmy
Paul & Debbie
The Hamiltons
Ann Widdicombe
Chris Eubank
Keith Harris & Orville
Specials:
Louis and the Brothel
Louis, Martin & Michael (Michael Jackson)
Louis and the Nazis.
Kirs-tea
09-01-2006, 15:38
Louis is excellent! I really enjoyed all of his shows :thumbs:
Andrew WK
09-01-2006, 16:23
Damn the thread title getting my hopes up! :lol:
For those Louis fans that may not know, he has a book out where he revisits some of the people he met during his programme. I got it for Christmas and haven't had a chance to read much yet, but what I have read has been excellent. :thumbs:
Amazon.co.uk (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1405049502/thedvdforums-21)
Damn this thread title - I got all excited. Why do people have to title a thread "New xxxxxxx released" and then start the thread with "actually, they aren't"
The series was one of the best things on TV at the time, and I have both box sets they are superb.
However, I have read the book and it is very disappointing :(
Don't forget the Christmas special, which was also excellent.
They used to be repeatead loads on the various UK channels, sadly not so often anymore. :(
SqueakyG
09-01-2006, 22:33
I've just started the book - in what way is it disappointing?
FightForTheRight
10-01-2006, 00:37
The Christmas special was excellent - but, to my knowledge, it's never been repeated!
The book is pretty good, although I'd hoped he would have gone back to see some of the other folk - like that camp bloke from the broadway one, the swingers, the independent wrestling guys or that weird hypnosis bloke who dupes women.
rbullivant
10-01-2006, 06:38
I guess a lot of people didn't want to talk to him, he ridiculed most of them on his show. I really enjoyed the book, my brother got me a signed copy for Christmas
Rik
The Christmas special was excellent - but, to my knowledge, it's never been repeated!
They used to show it every Christams on one of the "UK" channels - UKTV People or whatever the equivalent was at the time. Not for a couple of years though. :(
I've just started the book - in what way is it disappointing?
I don't really feel it had much aim to it, or if it did, it failed spectacularly in it's aim. I didn't learn anything about the characters that I didn't already know, and I just feel that his "style" comes across better on TV.
One of the good things about the TV show was that a lot of the time he was letting you make up your own mind through their answers to his clever questions. In the book, his personality intrudes a little too much IMHO.
Watching funniest moments on ch4 reminded me how funny the Louie stuff was?
Whats the situation on dvd can you get any of it?
Also has he done any recent stuff on tv?
Holy Thread Resurrection Batman! Four years old and still kicking...
There are two best of sets available which feature some of the best episodes (inc. the infamous "Don't you mock me Louis!" from Eugene Terreblanche) but no complete works which is a shame. Seems there isn't the market for it but with freeview and a Tivo they should come up relatively often ;)
I meant to post about Louis stuff on DVD after seeing the very same clip as Jez tonight.
Never seen any of his stuff but certinaly looks worth checking out.
BBC need to get their acts together and release something complete!
Moving to Television & DVD Forum
SqueakyG
27-02-2006, 12:32
So when you searched for a thread, you didn't see my thread from January?
http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407957
Weird Weekends (not in order) :
UFOs
Christianity
Porn
Survivalists
Demolition Derby
Swingers
Wrestling
Infomercials
Gangsta Rap
India - Enlightenment
Hypnosis/Self-Help
South Africa
Body-Building
Black Nationalism
Looking For Love/Thai Brides
Off-Off Broadway
When Louis Met...:
Jimmy
Paul & Debbie
The Hamiltons
Ann Widdicombe
Chris Eubank
Keith Harris & Orville
Specials:
Louis and the Brothel
Louis, Martin & Michael (Michael Jackson)
Louis and the Nazis.
All these availble on dvd at all?
Only found these which have some of the above Play Louis (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://playcom.at/thedvdforums?DURL=http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=r2title&searchstring=Louis+Theroux&page=search&Go.x=27&Go.y=10)
Andrew WK
27-02-2006, 14:19
I think his programmes were great fun, humourous and educational at the same time! His manner: innocent-acting while really mocking' makes for hugely entertaining TV.
Wonder what he's been up to since the last one, with the exception of writing his book?
So when you searched for a thread, you didn't see my thread from January?
http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407957
Threads merged.
Andrew WK
20-03-2006, 12:22
Hallelujah! Ten new shows coming to BBC Two!
From the BBC website:
Award-winning film-maker Louis Theroux is returning to BBC Two.
The cult presenter, whose previous subjects have included Sir Jimmy Savile and boxer Chris Eubank, will make 10 new documentaries.
"As a student of bizarre organisations and eccentric people, the BBC feels like my natural home," Theroux said.
The film-maker, 35, took a break from TV to write his book The Call of the Weird. No details have been released about future documentary subjects.
BBC Two controller Roly Keating said: "Louis is one of the most influential and unique voices in modern TV.
"His acute eye and wicked sense of humour have been away for too long."
Nevada brothel
The hour-long documentaries will be aired intermittently over the next three years.
The son of travel writer Paul Theroux, Louis first appeared on BBC Two alongside documentary maker Michael Moore on TV Nation in 1994.
His previous films have involved him spending a month living in a Nevada brothel and interviewing friends and family on the trail of singer Michael Jackson.
He became a household name with his Bafta-winning When Louis Met... series, including a memorable interview with former politician Neil Hamilton and his wife Christine.
Yay. hopefully they will be more weird weekend type docs and not When Louis Met..
It seems odd that I just saw an advert for his brother's new documentary and then this announcement is made.
Andrew WK
21-04-2006, 11:34
Louis Theroux is to make 10 new films for BBC Two over the next three years - and says he is scouring the globe for "more mature" subjects.
The Bafta-winning documentary-maker is likely to be spending a lot of time in airports in the coming months.
After getting under the skin of British celebrities, including political couple Neil and Christine Hamilton, magician Paul Daniels and DJ Sir Jimmy Savile, he says it is time to look further afield for his next targets.
"I enjoy travelling and seeing new worlds, being admitted to interesting places where rules are somehow different and I can learn how it all works," he says.
"Although I'm not ruling out British stories, I have a feeling that the best stories for us will be abroad. We've got some really good ideas already."
The aim is to raise the stakes on previous series, he says.
"I'm 35 years old, I've got a baby, I've got a house. When I started doing this I was 23, working for Michael Moore.
"I'm a different person from what I was. I've got different priorities. I need to keep myself interested, trying to take subjects that are a tiny bit more mature."
Although he believes the public is more fascinated by celebrity than ever, he is interested in human stories - "people having ups and downs, their ambitions and their dreams, and how they're frustrated or otherwise" - whether or not his subjects are famous.
"In general, it's just an intersection of who's interesting with what's possible, because there are certainly a lot of interesting people who I'm not convinced I'd get access to for long enough."
Theroux approaches each subject with "a rough idea" of how the finished documentary may look, but says he needs to be flexible.
After several films in the UK, Theroux is looking further afield
"You go prepared for one thing and when it turns out to be something else, you go with that," he says.
"You need to have some kind of a theory or a thesis, and then if it's either proved or disproved, so be it, that's all to the good.
"With Paul Daniels and Debbie McGee, she seemed to have been depicted as something of a gold-digger in some of the press I read and the marriage had been pilloried a bit.
"I suppose I went in there trying to anatomise the marriage, and maybe if there were cracks in it, to try to bring them out.
"I didn't really find anything. It seemed like quite a strong relationship to me and I told them so. If that's what you find, then that's what you report."
He says he strives to build a bond of trust with his subjects - but without becoming too close to them.
"The only conflict comes in the sense that you assume that they will have no problem with the truth being told. I don't try to antagonise.
"If it turns out that they've lied to me or it becomes clear that they're not levelling with me, then I call them on it and sometimes that's when you might have a disagreement.
"You're just trying to have a good bedside manner, I suppose.
"You're not there to become friends, you're there to do a job as a journalist, but there's no reason to make it unpleasant."
So does Theroux keep in touch with any of his previous interviewees?
"The Hamiltons send me Christmas cards - I think they're the only ones actually.
"I don't think Jimmy Savile is much of a card sender. He has that sort of bachelor air which suggests that probably compiling Christmas card lists is not one of the things he does."
Space Duck
21-04-2006, 12:03
Yeah I read that over at the BBC, looking forward to something that doesn't contain Chantelle!!!! URGH!!!
Andrew WK
11-08-2006, 10:44
Louis Theroux is to return to TV with a film set in Las Vegas as part of his new series for BBC2.
Theroux has secured access to a major casino in the American gambling mecca, which he will use as a base to explore the weird and over-the-top goings on in the city.
"They have got pretty good access to one of the casinos and they are going to focus on that and draw a broader picture of Vegas," said a source familiar with the production.
The new film, which is currently in production, is one of 10 hour-long documentaries Theroux is making for BBC2 as part of a new deal signed in March.
It is also thought he is looking to sign up more celebrities to take part in some of the films.
His most popular previous documentaries, in the When Louis Met ... strand, featured the likes of Christine and Neil Hamilton, Jimmy Saville and Max Clifford.
"He has been given a very broad brief by Roly [Keating, the BBC2 controller]," the source said.
"Roly wants event films and Louis is still considering doing more featuring celebrity, but he is not going to do them for the sake of it. There are only a few celebrities worth spending time with."
A BBC spokeswoman confirmed Theroux was making a film on Las Vegas, but said it was not clear whether it would be the first to go out in the new series.
Theroux's return to television comes after he took time out to write his book The Call of the Weird - Travels in American Subcultures.
He first appeared on BBC2 in 1994 in Michael Moore's series TV Nation.
Andrew WK
26-01-2007, 13:54
The new series is almost here!
There's a compilation programme on BBC2 on Sunday 9:00pm-10:10pm and the new series starts Sunday 4th February with the programme: Louis Theroux: Gambling in las Vegas which is on at 9:00pm-10:00pm and later that night at 11:45pm-12:35pm a repeat of the Porn episode of Weird Weekends. I hope this is something they will do every week, a new episode with an older one later in the evening.
Below is an article written by him which can be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6302049.stm
Weird, or just in search of meaning?
His visits with eccentric celebrities have made Louis Theroux an authority on weirdness. But here, writing for the Magazine, he says his time off from TV has made him ask whether weird is just in the eye of the beholder.
I was recently put to work making a programme that would compile some of my favourite moments from old shows of mine, with my ruminations on what had attracted me to these strange stories about off-beat subcultures and intriguing celebrities - and what I'd learned over the years.
If you've seen any of my shows you'll know the kind of thing to expect: Jimmy Savile showing me the clothes of his dead mother - "The Duchess" - which he gets dry-cleaned once a year; a visit to the "group room" at a swinging party; a pair of neo-Nazi twin girls who sing acoustic versions of skinhead songs.
It was, in other words, a real hodgepodge of oddities - unified only by all the stories featuring behaviour that is in some way outside the normal course of life; and also, I suppose, by the fact of my having formed relationships with all the people in these worlds.
At the end of the show, I concluded with this remark: "The weirdest thing about weird people may be how normal they are."
What did I mean by this? First, I suppose I was trying to undermine the idea of "weirdness" as a self-evident category of behaviour.
The truth is, like beauty, weirdness is in the eye of the beholder. Often, something is weird not for any intrinsic reason but simply because not many people are doing it. A practice that is considered eccentric or taboo in one time and place is quite normal in another.
"Madness is a rare thing in individuals," wrote the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, "but in groups, parties, peoples, and ages it is the rule."
And I think this is what he was referring to - we may find, say, ancestor worship quite odd and racism deeply repellent, but in days gone by, these were both part of "normal" belief.
Taking a real example, people sometimes ask me who the weirdest person I've ever interviewed is. It's sort of a nonsensical question - I'm not sure how you measure weirdness (on an odd-o-meter?). But just so I've got something to say, I mention Reverend Robert Short, a "space channel".
I met him while doing a story on UFO believers in the American South West. Most of the people in that subculture had had sightings of UFOs, or even glimpsed ETs, but Reverend Short went several better by claiming to have actual space beings who spoke through him using his vocal chords.
Being in another dimension, the space being, "Korton", had the ability to see the future. I saw this for myself, more than once, when Reverend Short went into a trance and channelled Korton's prognostications in a loud, booming voice punctuated with lots of "ums".
In fact, though, as weird as this experience was - it certainly seemed weird to me at the time - later I wondered how different Reverend Short's channelling was from the oracles of Ancient Greece or shamanic practises that are still quite normal in communities all over the world.
Though it's been helpful as a kind of short-hand for the sort of stories I do, the term "weirdness" actually does a disservice to the people I cover. Looking closer at what seemed - at first hand - the oddest of behaviour and I've always found a kind of logic.
I was recently reading a book of neurological essays called Phantoms in the Brain, which had an introduction by neurologist Oliver Sacks. He discussed brain disorders with symptoms that to me seemed very weird indeed - patients who don't recognise their own limbs as belonging to them, for example, or who sometimes think one side of their body belongs to someone else.
But these are, he says, "quite normal defence mechanisms" which the unconscious uses to make sense of the world. "Such an understanding removes such patients from the realm of the mad or the freakish," he continues, "and restores them to the realm of discourse and reason - albeit the discourse and reason of the unconscious."
A couple of years ago, I went back to America to track down 10 of the most intriguing people I'd ever interviewed for a book I was writing, The Call of the Weird.
One of my ideas had been that perhaps, after years of pursuing their off-beat avocations and being buffeted and knocked back by a world that saw them as strange, some of my old friends - the porn performers, the cult members, the gangsta rappers - might have thought better of their old beliefs. They might have "seen reason".
In fact, this was almost never the case. For the most part, they were still clinging to their old faiths - they were as "weird" as ever. But what I did come to realize was this: that the strangest behaviours are always answering some very normal human need - for love, for religious meaning, for a place in the world.
And that the "weird beliefs" themselves never stood in the way of me making a human connection, be it however briefly, with them.
The Weird World of Louis Theroux featuring his most memorable encounters is on BBC Two on Sunday 28 January at 2100GMT.
great stuff, love this!!!!
The Bear
26-01-2007, 16:29
Cheers for the heads-up. One I'll definitely be watching.
He's been away from our screens for far too long, and he only managed to prove that he will not be following in his fathers footsteps.
Great to have him back! :clap:
Mr. Brown
26-01-2007, 19:09
Watched his other two series' several times and I never tire of them. He is genuinely funny and manages to build a rapport with his subjects that Parky and his cohorts would do well to learn from.
andybhoy
27-01-2007, 16:55
Finally, something I want to see on the bbc - maybe I'll get some money's worth out of the tax this year!
His shows are always so compelling.
GProject
28-01-2007, 01:24
I loved the Weird Weekends series, so this is fantastic news - of course, they would start it while I'm not in direct contact with a television set!
rbullivant
28-01-2007, 20:00
Only just noticed a new series starting today, well a recap today and a new series next week!
R
Oh how i have missed Louis, he cracks me up :lol:
LouBarlow
28-01-2007, 22:20
While I think the guy is brilliant, my revisitation of the Nick Broomfield DVD set during his hiatus from our screens, has made me realise he isn't quite as revolutionary or daring as I first thought...and his last celebrity series proved this out (it was largely awful)
Still great to have him back, and the early shows are classic television :notworthy
Panavision
29-01-2007, 16:41
The wrestling show is top drawer, did he get a workout or wot? lol
Andrew WK
29-01-2007, 17:06
His book is a great read to for fans of the show, available for just over £2 from Amazon (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://astore.amazon.co.uk/thedvdforums-21/detail/0330435701/203-7320838-0946305)
And £2 is two pounds too much IMHO. I am a huge fan of the shows but the book is awful.
LouBarlow
29-01-2007, 18:39
Yeah have to agree, it wasn't the best read...and poorly proof-read too, as I noticed quite a few grammatical errors, and I'm no hot-shot myself.
zantarous
30-01-2007, 13:19
Are the Sunday nigh shows being repeated because at the moment they are clashing with 24?
Mr. Brown
04-02-2007, 17:21
Are the Sunday nigh shows being repeated because at the moment they are clashing with 24?
I'd like to know this too and can't seem to find the info on BBC's website :(
LouBarlow
04-02-2007, 19:26
Thanks for the bump guys - forgot all about this :thumbs:
Enjoyable episode.
Watching as a guy quite clearly on charlie help Louis was genius :lol:
GProject
04-02-2007, 23:55
Fans may be interested to see the little video podcast (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/?id=louis_theroux) for this weeks episode on the BBC2 website. It's just three minutes or so of Louis talking about the show, and there are some show clips there too.
I wish they'd put the full episode up - they did it with dragons den last year.
Is there another episode next week?
internetuser
05-02-2007, 09:39
Any idea if last nights will be repeated ?
Space Duck
05-02-2007, 10:03
Any idea if last nights will be repeated ?
Another clashes with 24 victim here too!!! :cry:
Don't you guys have sky+?
AFAIK, the new series is only a few episodes dotted around the schedule. It is not a "series" as such. hence no episode next week (it's The Verdict" instead). We'll need to keep an eye on the schedules and bump this thread when it's next on, if everyone's ok to keep an eye out?
SeeWolfe
05-02-2007, 10:27
Enjoyable episode.
Watching as a guy quite clearly on charlie help Louis was genius :lol:
Exactly what I thought - he was chewing his face off!
Space Duck
05-02-2007, 10:34
I did see hwo that guy shrugged off a 300k loss in that there casino... :shock:
No sky+ for me.. can't afford to get it at the mo but it's scheduling like this that makes me wish I had it :(
ivoryman
05-02-2007, 13:24
Exactly what I thought - he was chewing his face off!
He was so wired he didn't know if it was day or night, quality! :lol:
Andrew WK
05-02-2007, 13:55
I did see hwo that guy shrugged off a 300k loss in that there casino... :shock:
He didn't actually admit how much he had lost. I got the feeling from his response that it was a lot more than $300k.
Kirs-tea
05-02-2007, 13:59
I always enjoy Louis Theroux's stuff and it was great to see him back on the TV last night. Interesting and crazy! Great stuff!
Space Duck
05-02-2007, 14:01
The old prophet on the slot machines.... "You will play again"
charlie angel
05-02-2007, 14:11
Particularly enjoyed Louis bricking it just before playing Baccarat with his own money :)
Good show, lots of fun I thought.
enjoyed the show
but didn't particularly feel that the subjects were the 'total losers' that the programme tried to convey
the slot-woman and high-roller could clearly afford their losses
everyone has their vices; be it shopping/television/etc - it's not like they were hurting anyone
and the whole 'wide-eyed innocence' act of Louis is now very tiresome - it seemed he's never walked into a casino before, but considering the amount of time he's lived in the US, it just doesn't add up
Is there a repeat of las night's show?
I can't see anything listed.
Enjoyed last night's show, the levels of addiction on show & denial of said addiction by the addicts was compelling viewing. I've always wanted to go to Vegas & do the whole Casino thing, playing High Stakes Blackjack & Poker, but i'm sure i'd brick it & you'd find me at the nickel & dime tables like the opening of Swingers. :D
ferris57
05-02-2007, 22:48
and the whole 'wide-eyed innocence' act of Louis is now very tiresome - it seemed he's never walked into a casino before, but considering the amount of time he's lived in the US, it just doesn't add up
His "'wide-eyed innocence' act" as you put it, really grates on me. I couldn't stand his company for very long and I'm amazed people put up with him. He just comes over as an incredibly patronising tit.
Having said that I still find him very watchable and I enjoy his shows :thumbs:
Panavision
06-02-2007, 15:26
His innocence act carves up the interviewees, the Americans fall for it quite easily. If it works, why change it?
Watching as a guy quite clearly on charlie help Louis was genius :lol:
Exactly what I said to the wife!
And for those of you who missed it because of 24, isn't THAT repeated later in the week?
Preacher
07-02-2007, 16:24
The salesman guy with the goatee just reminded me of that scene from the Simpsons:
"Dealer: 19.
Homer: Hit me!
Dealer: 20.
Homer: Hit me!
Dealer: 21.
Homer: Hit me!
Dealer: 22.
Homer: D'OH!"
:lol:
paulnadams
08-02-2007, 10:26
Is there a repeat of las night's show?
seems like it will be repeated, with sign language in the corner, on Tuesday 20th February, 2:00 am - BBC1
Anyone found out when episode two is on yet and what it is about?
snowball
08-02-2007, 20:32
episode two is on at 9pm on Sunday night on BBC2 :) Last Sunday at 11.40pm they had Louis' 'porn star' wierd weekend episode ... i have yet to watch all of that but his 'innocent little kid' routine was much more natural back in those days as he didnt seem to be over playing it :)
The Bear
08-02-2007, 21:10
9pm this sunday on BBC2 is 'The Verdict' according to my guides :shrug:
BlueDwarf
08-02-2007, 22:09
BBC messing around the scheduling of a good show?
There's a surprise...
Andrew WK
09-02-2007, 13:12
9pm this sunday on BBC2 is 'The Verdict' according to my guides :shrug:
Same on radiotimes.com too.
From what I've read in TV guides, I got the impression that the new Louis Theroux shows aren't as part of a series, but a number of one-off shows that they're sprinkling throughout the next few months/over the year.
Enjoyed the Vegas show. Unfortunately it being alongside 24 over on Sky1 and with no repeat meant finding it using other means. Annoying scheduling.
Andrew WK
09-02-2007, 14:08
News of the repeat on post 75.
The Bear
09-02-2007, 17:39
From what I've read in TV guides, I got the impression that the new Louis Theroux shows aren't as part of a series, but a number of one-off shows that they're sprinkling throughout the next few months/over the year.
If that's true the BBC are in my bad books!! :mad:
Ferdy147
11-02-2007, 19:10
Hmmm maybe he's right, doesnt seem like its on today :(
Flip Martian
11-02-2007, 20:42
That's crap! Do the beeb really expect people to check the tv guide every week?!
I've checked on the Sky channel listings and it's not on next Sunday either.
Ha maybe louis is running out of weirdo,s !
That's crap! Do the beeb really expect people to check the tv guide every week?!
Nah, they'll probably trail each episode quite heavily just before they show it.
I can understand why they're spreading them out like this. There are people who do find that Theroux's schtick wears thin after a while - just look at past messages here! - and the BBC are probably aware of this. So rather than show them all at once and have viewing figures drop as people get bored, I'd hazard that they hope spreading them out will avoid making people tire of said schtick and hopefully keep viewing figures consistently high.
All speculation, naturally, as I don't work for the BBC, so don't go suing me if I'm wrong. :)
The Bear
12-02-2007, 00:00
My Tivo should pick it up when it comes back on as well, so someone will bump this thread I'm sure.
His contract is for 10 programs over the next 3 years, details here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4927726.stm)
Anyone know when the next program is on?
I think it is Mr T next, as there is a link of the bbc 2 website but no actual information :shrug:
rbullivant
18-02-2007, 19:30
Cheers for the reminder, set my HD Recorder, it's on Tuesday morning, 2am!
R
internetuser
19-02-2007, 22:35
Just found it myself, BBC1 at 2am Tuesday (3 hours time...)
What - the next episode??????
EDIT
No, the repeat. Did seem a bit strange.
What - the next episode??????
Phew, just found myself thinking the same thing.
More worrying is that I wouldn't put it past the chaps at the Beeb!
Flip Martian
20-02-2007, 21:27
Well that's twice I've missed that one then...!
rbullivant
21-02-2007, 20:33
Am watching this now, signing is a bit annoying but I am enjoying it
R
Bit annoying that on average there is only going to be 3 new programs a year :cry:
On 12 March Amazon are launching an exclusive boxset with the tantalising title "The Complete Louis Theroux Weird Weekends". However, the photo shows the item as a "Best Of" and it's therefore likely to be a boxset of the previously issued DVDs. I've pointed this out to Amazon and they may well have changed the title by the time you read this :doh:
Right Here (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000N6U0OM/thedvdforums-21)
scaramanga
25-02-2007, 14:39
Im pretty sure i got the old dvd sets when tey were going for about £5 each at fopp. The box sets you see now i think have just been split in half... You used to get a double disc pack. Cheeky!
SeeWolfe
27-02-2007, 20:27
On 12 March Amazon are launching an exclusive boxset with the tantalising title "The Complete Louis Theroux Weird Weekends". However, the photo shows the item as a "Best Of" and it's therefore likely to be a boxset of the previously issued DVDs. I've pointed this out to Amazon and they may well have changed the title by the time you read this :doh:
Right Here (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000N6U0OM/thedvdforums-21)
My sister in law works for a DVD duplication company and gives me free DVDs every few weeks and I got given this boxset last night.
Not as good as the time she brought me series 3 of Minder - now that was a right touch!
Telstar who did the original DVDs got bought out and the new company just split the 2 discs into 4 releases. Looks like this is just them repackaged, can't see this company bothering to do anything else. I wonder why BBC never did the releases themselves.
It's a shame as I'd kill for a complete collection, even though I have them all in one state or another.
The Bear
28-02-2007, 13:36
Yeah I have all of those episodes on 2 double-disc sets.
GoblinUK
22-03-2007, 11:52
The next film is on the 1st of April. 'The Most Hated Family in America'.
Wooooo Hoooo :clap:
I'm sure it was Mr T, is he doing a Mr T one?
Or have i just imagined that :doh:
Andrew WK
22-03-2007, 13:55
The next film is on the 1st of April. 'The Most Hated Family in America'.
Thanks for the heads-up. :thumbs: Sounds a lot heavier than the Vegas one:
Louis Theroux struggles to come to terms with the infamous Phelps family from Topeka, Kansas who picket the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq as a protest against an America that tolerates homosexuality. The family members wave slogans with messages such as 'God Hates Fags', 'Thank God for 9/11' and 'God Hates You' at pickets all over the States. The last documentary filmmaker to enter their world was so enamoured by the Phelps that he joined them. What does the future hold for Louis?
Where is that info from and how did you find out the date?
BBC's search is so good it just lists everything on the whole site whatever the date so i can never find anything :(
Andrew WK
22-03-2007, 14:23
Where is that info from and how did you find out the date?
BBC's search is so good it just lists everything on the whole site whatever the date so i can never find anything :(
I got it from RadioTimes.com, quite a useful little site.
rbullivant
22-03-2007, 20:00
This sounds like classic Louis, I'm curious right now to find out more about these people!
R
I got it from RadioTimes.com, quite a useful little site.
Ahhhh Cheers :)
The Bear
22-03-2007, 20:29
The next film is on the 1st of April. 'The Most Hated Family in America'.
Cheers :thumbs:
GProject
22-03-2007, 23:44
The next film is on the 1st of April. 'The Most Hated Family in America'.
Oh, it's about the Phelps, I was thinking that it seemed a premature to dump on Posh & Becks - they only just moved there.
Damn it, I'm going to miss this as I will be in Spain, hopefully they will repeat it after the 4th, when I get back.
andybhoy
24-03-2007, 17:45
Thanks for the heads-up. :thumbs: Sounds a lot heavier than the Vegas one:
Louis Theroux struggles to come to terms with the infamous Phelps family from Topeka, Kansas who picket the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq as a protest against an America that tolerates homosexuality. The family members wave slogans with messages such as 'God Hates Fags', 'Thank God for 9/11' and 'God Hates You' at pickets all over the States. The last documentary filmmaker to enter their world was so enamoured by the Phelps that he joined them. What does the future hold for Louis?
Just spent 2 minutes looking at his sites, and I feel dirty. It's people like phelps, Chick and the msulim equivalents who make me hope there is a god, just so he can tell them to **** off.
Not looking good for when there will be another one :(
QS: You've just signed a deal for, what, ten more specials for the BBC?
THEROUX: I've got to make ten shows, of which the first one was kind of a compilation show that went out a few weeks ago. And then the second one was the Vegas one. And these are specials, so we just sort of put them out when they're ready. The one we're editing at the moment, I mentioned, is about the Phelps family in Topeka, Kansas, who as you may or may not know picket soldiers' funerals with anti-gay slogans and placards with words like "God Hates Fags" and so on. And after that we're not really sure. We've got a few things bubbling under. And maybe some things outside America, too.
Clicky... (http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=3759)
PockyMonster
25-03-2007, 23:14
Also sucks that the comp show was classed as one of the ten.
Thanks for the link Jez. Why can't he do a proper series?
Andrew WK
30-03-2007, 12:50
A preview from The Sun (some people may consider some of this spoilers):
Inside world's most evil sect
By EMMA COX
March 30, 2007
Their young children go on marches waving placards that read: “Thank God for 9/11”.
Members openly admit that the thought of an outsider being hit by a car or dying of cancer makes them laugh.
Their hatred is targeted at a massive range of people including gays, Jews, soldiers, the Irish, anyone who has sex outside marriage — and SWEDES.
But the most scary aspect of this cult is that, far from being an isolated community, its followers hold down normal jobs, mix with normal people and send their children to normal schools.
Welcome to the Westboro Baptist Church — the most evil religious sect in the world.
The group — established in the 1950s by ordained Right-wing Christian extremist Pastor Fred Phelps — are the subject of a new film by TV documentary-maker Louis Theroux.
Accompanied by a BBC film crew, he spent three weeks with the 71-strong cult — most of whom are related to Phelps — in Topeka, Kansas. His findings make shocking viewing.
In one scene, the fanatics picket funerals of US war heroes, claiming their deaths were punishment for America’s tolerance of gays. They stand yards from the grieving family of Kevin Zeigler, 31, who died trying to disable a bomb in Iraq.
Their placards, some carried by children as young as six, read: “Thank God For Dead Soldiers”, “Don’t Worship The Dead” and “Fag Marines”, accompanied by a crude drawing.
One poster even depicts Princess Diana — who had many famous gay friends — with the words “Royal In Hell Whore”.
Particularly shocking is the way the cult involve youngsters.
At one point a pretty seven-year-old called Shirley, wearing a pink hat with the slogan “Girls Are Cool”, is asked if she knows the meaning of her placard. She answers: “No”.
Six-year-old pal Noah is asked what you are if you are not a “fag”. His response: “A dyke?”
Later, a child no older than eight sobs as a passing motorist incensed by the placards lobs a bottle at him, cutting his head.
Yet the group’s leaders defend their sickening tactics.
Pastor Phelps’s daughter Shirley, who has 11 children, says: “The world hates us. So? It’s very sad at these funerals, it’s true. It’s very sad that these people won’t get the message.
“You are not going to make me feel bad about it. If they’re offended, that is a clear indication they hate God’s word and are headed for hell.”
The cult’s marches have enraged America and been condemned on chat shows including Oprah Winfrey’s.
They have been branded a “hate group” by renowned civil rights group the Southern Poverty Law Center, which compares them to the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis. Yet the family revel in their notoriety. Shirley says: “When we picket a funeral, I do it to help him (the victim).
“He was fighting for a nation that has made God their enemy.”
She also boasts of sending letters to grieving families. “They say, ‘You angered God’.”
In Louis’s programme — America’s Most Hated Family — he attends a sermon where Pastor Phelps says of the war in Iraq: “God duped you into starting a war so he could punish you. And you fell for it. They’re eating their babies! You will eat your babies!”
The cult’s children sing songs with lyrics such as: “I’m ashamed to be an American where fags are free to roam.”
Their definition of a fag is not only homosexuals but anybody who has sex outside marriage.
They hate Swedes because the pastor was once jailed in Sweden for preaching against homosexuality. And Louis is told he deserves to be KILLED for having a child out of wedlock.
The cult’s children have been brainwashed into total obedience.
Despite going to a normal school, they will never have boyfriends or girlfriends due to their extreme beliefs. One girl says: “We don’t have anyone we consider a true friend because that takes time away from God.”
Yet Louis does get friendly with the family, even going bowling with them. He admits: “They’ve made a life that in many ways is appealing. It was easy to become desensitised to what they were doing.” His point was chillingly proved by another documentary maker — Steve Drain — who joined the cult after making a film about them, despite having held liberal views.
Asked if he is glad when “sinners” get cancer or are in car accidents, he replies: “I love it — it means God is doing his job.”
Fellow member Jael, 21, explains why she laughs when she says Louis is going to hell — “It brings me pleasure to think God will carry out his wrath.”
Louis told The Sun last night: “The children are intelligent and kind for the most part. But what they’re doing is terrible. It doesn’t make sense. I was as challenged as I’ve ever been in this film.”
The Most Hated Family In America is on Sunday, 9pm, on BBC2.
zantarous
30-03-2007, 14:01
Sounds like a really good episode already got my recorder set to tape this.
A few clips on from tonights episode on the BBC 2 site: :cuckoo:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/noise/?id=louis_theroux
I always find Louis Theroux fascinating, it's good to see him back with some new stuff.
Mark
rbullivant
01-04-2007, 19:29
30 mins to go! I'm glad he's back to talking to oddballs, didn't think the celebs were all that interesting.
R
KennyVader
01-04-2007, 20:12
Golly. These people are NUTJOBS.
If ever there was a series that defined the phrase "Only in America" it would be this one.
I should think that much of the reason why these come out sporadically and infrequently is that Louis himself does a lot of the research and hangs out with the nutjobs for quite a long time, to win their confidence, before editing it down to the one hour program. Each show obviously takes quite a lot of his time to make.
NicolaUK
01-04-2007, 20:13
The garden reminds me of Big Love:lol:
GProject
01-04-2007, 20:14
I'm just happy to have access to a TV for this week's show - it's nice to see some new Theroux stuff.
the_edge30
01-04-2007, 20:17
I dont think anyone would complain if Louis pulled an uzi and dispatched the lot of them.
the_edge30
01-04-2007, 20:21
"news flash brainiac christ was jewish" priceless, and probably the first time Ive seen Louis getting angry...
Bananaman
01-04-2007, 20:22
Paraphrasing;
"The people at the Jew church worship The Rectum!"
WTF?!!?!?!?!
Drysolder
01-04-2007, 20:29
These people scare me.... no, really, they do. It's like something out of American History X!
They're no different ideologically to the extreme Islamists!
Tell you what though, Louis hides his anger well.
KennyVader
01-04-2007, 20:30
The poor 7 year old. Made to hold the banner with not a clue what it's about. She should be playing with dolls and stuff.
The woman is a brainwashing moron. The authorities should take those kids away until they are old enough to make their own minds up.
Quite funny when the girl told Louis he was going to hell though.
The university age girls are quite hot, it's just a shame they have been brainwashed into being total whack jobs too
downhillbiker
01-04-2007, 20:36
This is absolutely hilarious and positively terrifying. These people are absolutely nuts, and to call them a religious group, rather than a cult, is just naive. This is what happens when the chronically thick get hold of the wrong end of the stick, when it comes to religion - i.e. thinking that adultery has anything to do with being gay... cretins.
EDIT - I chuckled at that kid getting hit with the cup of juice... Just wish it was the mentalist mother that had it thrown at her head, and the drink had been a house-brick.
LouBarlow
01-04-2007, 20:41
All this hate for the Film Actors Guild :oh-hum:
William Shatners Wig
01-04-2007, 20:41
I keep thinking "this is April 1st...", but it seems so real.
Anyone notice how flirty the girls are with Louis.
downhillbiker
01-04-2007, 20:42
"You're going to eat your babies!"
Freedom of speech comes with some interesting issues attached.
I know it's an overused phrase on here, but never has "Nuke 'em all from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" been more apt.
Seen something about this family before, sure some other Journo has been to see them before.
Actually think Sky TV ran a piece on them a while ago.
Scary to think that these people actually exist :eek:
Scene they just showed with Louis and the "Pastor" was bizarre, he came across as a babbling old incoherent fool that didn't know how to answer Louis' questions.
fivebyfive
01-04-2007, 20:48
I was hoping Fred Phelps had died painfully, the cult views are disgusting and I hope they get what they deserve.
Whenever the pastor screamed about eating babies I burst out laughing :lol:
Never before has someone deserved a big punch in the mouth more than that crazy old tosser.
KennyVader
01-04-2007, 20:57
Wikipedia page on the nutjobs here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
I can't believe they were going to go and protest at the funerals of those Amish girls that were shot by some outsider, with placards calling the girls whores.
I don't mind so much when crazy cults do whatever they want in their own time and space, but invading occasions when others are mourning is just disgraceful.
If anyone's going to hell, hopefully it is the Phelps family.
Chucking the drinks cup at the kid's head was pretty low too though, the kid is just brainwashed, simple as that.
downhillbiker
01-04-2007, 21:00
Chucking the drinks cup at the kid's head was pretty low too though
With all the bad things happening to decent people in the world, my thoughts are along the lines of... Couldn't. Care. Less.
LouBarlow
01-04-2007, 21:03
The last segment where Louis interviewed the girl in the car, was as telling a moment as he has managed in all his shows so far - you could tell that she didn't believe anything she was saying, and was merely refreshing the hate pumped into her from a young age - sad stuff.
Great show from Louis...though he has been on the pies :suspect:
I'm lost for words after watching this program.
IMO It really is sad to see people live there lives so strictly by the bible (Especially there version of it)
You have to feel sorry for those kids who have been brainwashed into following the beliefs of there parents
what an odd family.
I kept thinking of Jack Palance when the Pastor Rector was shown for the few times.
Can only happen in America. And the 21 year old woman was kinda nice in a mad way.
Rip Curl
01-04-2007, 21:05
Weird *******
I see that God doesn't mind some of the women wearing chavvy clothing sporting evil logos.
pigpicker
01-04-2007, 21:12
The last segment where Louis interviewed the girl in the car, was as telling a moment as he has managed in all his shows so far - you could tell that she didn't believe anything she was saying, and was merely refreshing the hate pumped into her from a young age - sad stuff.
Exactly! When she was talking about going to hell, for a moment I thought she was going to come out something original but ended up spewing out the same old stuff that must have lodged in her brain as a child,
Also was it just me or was Louis flirting with her - ever so slightly?
My gf thought he was trying to 'break her' :lol
I read on the beeb website that a biker group now attend the funerals to hide and drown out this lot.
I hope people protest at gramps funeral
I thought Louis was very flirty.... think those intense looks of his would sink a girl far more worldy wise than that one!!!
sleepy67
01-04-2007, 21:48
I read on the beeb website that a biker group now attend the funerals to hide and drown out this lot.
I hope people protest at gramps funeralPatriot Guard (http://www.patriotguard.org/)
IMO It really is sad to see people live there lives so strictly by the bible (Especially there version of it)
These people do not live their lives by the Bible. Even Billy Graham is going to Hell according to their teaching. Like some others, I thought this must be an April Fool, but it would be in extremely bad taste and, unless the BBC can fake wikipedia, this sect is for real.
Just gobsmackingly hilarious, fascinating and rather disturbing all at the same time! My head hurts just trying to follow their illogical logic that apparently makes perfect sense to them! They want everyone to hate them because that means they are right and justified in their "loving" hatred of everyone else - or something?! Well, okay then! :nuts:
I am incredibly angry when I think about people like this being allowed to live in the world at all but at the same time I feel desperately sorry for them (especially the kids) and their very obvious mental health issues.
A frankly brilliant piece of television. Louis deserves a bafta for this one. :thumbs:
"news flash brainiac christ was jewish" priceless, and probably the first time Ive seen Louis getting angry...
That made me laugh, he very rarely gets caught up in arguments etc however, him being Jewish in this instance made he go alittle over the edge.
As some have said the older kids i was not convinced they believed it especially the girl at the end in the car, Louis thought i as well.
I reckon she will do a runner in the end like some of the others did.
Their argument is so flawed but you never gonna win against people like that.
That made me laugh, he very rarely gets caught up in arguments etc however, him being Jewish in this instance made he go alittle over the edge.
As some have said the older kids i was not convinced they believed it especially the girl at the end in the car, Louis thought i as well.
I reckon she will do a runner in the end like some of the others did.
Their argument is so flawed but you never gonna win against people like that.
Are you sure? He said in one of his other programmes that he definitely wasn't Jewish, I thought?
GAmbrose
01-04-2007, 23:29
He said in the one where he stayed with some white supremicists that he wasn't Jewish, but he just didn't feel the need to answer their question about his religious background with a yes or no.
In this one he said he didn't believe in God at one point as well, which just confirms it really.
Gary A
The last segment where Louis interviewed the girl in the car, was as telling a moment as he has managed in all his shows so far - you could tell that she didn't believe anything she was saying, and was merely refreshing the hate pumped into her from a young age - sad stuff.
Great show from Louis...though he has been on the pies :suspect:
It was good, I was a bit upset by it all. When he asked about being run over etc, if that meant hell and she agreed. I wished her mother a terminal disease at that point.
I watched the Nazi one just hours before as well. :(
FightForTheRight
02-04-2007, 01:08
What a truely mental collection of people!
I think even that girl at the end was realising that most of what they were protesting against was done in bad taste.
LouBarlow
02-04-2007, 05:15
He said in the one where he stayed with some white supremicists that he wasn't Jewish, but he just didn't feel the need to answer their question about his religious background with a yes or no.
In this one he said he didn't believe in God at one point as well, which just confirms it really.
Gary A
I think he makes it up as he goes along really.
He has definitely stated in interview that he is not Jewish, but then he went to great lengths before to hush up his having a partner and kid, but last night actually mentioned them in the show.
Weird indeed :suspect:
Panavision
02-04-2007, 07:37
I didn't think Louis was on form, he was clearly affected by this, he had trouble holding the disgust on his face. He was letting his personal feelings get in the way.
But like any journalist, he smelt blood in the water when he was around that uni girl. I think he succeeded in breaking her because she was getting quite emotional in the car at the end. He also reflected that their cult is based on hate rather than love. Grandpa was easily found out by his demeanour when provoked by Louis.
The kid being hit on the head proves the intolerance. The fact that people react to them only fuels them.
charlie angel
02-04-2007, 07:52
I think even that girl at the end was realising that most of what they were protesting against was done in bad taste.
Even though it's a 'polite & courteous' thing to do... :nuts:
Interesting show - I knew a little of the Phelps' beforehand, but it was fascinating to hear their beliefs spoken out loud; with very little in the way of justification.
What struck me most was the sheer aggression with which the older generation answered questions. Frightening stuff.
Jungle Ted
02-04-2007, 08:01
I keep thinking "this is April 1st...", but it seems so real.
After 15 mins of watching this I was convinced that i'd been taken in and that it genuinely was an April Fools Joke - it was only when I did a google on Phelps and discovered these numpties were for real that my jaw really dropped :cuckoo: :(
MaxNutter
02-04-2007, 08:06
i heard the Mom on the Steven Nolan show on R5 last year, she was just as spiteful then ... but LT's prog last night just made me feel sorry for the kids - you could see the various stages of brainwashing in action!!
Totally mental site with a number of spin offs including...
http://www.priestsrapeboys.com/
"There are over 1 billion Catholics in the world - that's one out of every six people alive today - and every single one of them will split hell wide open when they die - period. And there is nothing they can do about it. God Almighty has chosen their delusion (Isa 66:4, 2 Thes. 2:11). Every time any person gives any amount of money to the Catholic Church, that person is paying the salary of pedophile rapists. Not merely looking the other way, mind you, but actually paying the salaries of thousands of criminal, sexual deviants, who try to pass themselves off as men who have moral authority, but who are, in fact, the basest of men (Dan. 4:17). Who would rationally conceive of actually paying the salaries of pedophile rapists? And yet, that is exactly what all the parishioners of the Catholic Church are doing today. For those who try to justify their particular parish by arguing that their priest doesn't molest boys, consider this. Do you think that the money put in that plate stays local? These are fungible assets that go into the main pot of the Catholic church and are returned for local use on an as needed basis (and are used as payouts and hush money in sexual molestation cases). And are there any priests preaching against this horrendous sin from the pulpit, denouncing the 'church' and demanding that his parishioners have nothing to do with it? Every member of the Catholic clergy, without exception, is a minister of Satan, and the parishioners love the lies that they are fed, and offer up their children to these monstrous, vile beasts (Lev. 18:21).
A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land. The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof? Jer. 5:30-31
BTW, does anyone really think that in between the time that the priests diddle the little boys and then feed the idolaters the goofy 'eucharist' wafers, that they even wash their hands? (tmi?) 'Priests rape boys' is indeed an air-tight, three word case against all of the Catholic Church's parishioners, without exception. They are all going to hell! "
!!!
Nebiroth
02-04-2007, 08:43
Well, the weird thing is, I can sort of see where they are coming from. In their own minds all the stuff they do is justified because they are trying to save people from literally going to hell for all eternity, the worst thing that can happen to anyone. So in their own minds, the things they do to people can't be anywhere near as bad as being in hell would be. That's the twisted logic that drives them.
In many ways their beliefs aren't any weirder or repellant than other fundamentalists have been or will be (like burning people at the stake 'cos it saved them from eternal damnation). But they just act a lot more on it.
Of course, that doesn't mean to say that they aren't completely bonkers!
Mind you, if there's any sort of justice, they'll arrive in the Afterlife and be greeted with
"ah you're just in time for the mandatory Jewish Gay Pride March..."
"how can that be allowed in Heaven?"
"Who said anything about being in Heaven?"
:lol: :lol:
Had to feel sorry for the kids, though, it can't help your popularity if you keep telling your peer group they're whores who are all destined to go to hell.
It was odd though, out of the weird "fundamentalist mode" they kept skipping into, they were seemingly ordinary, well behaved, well adjusted kids. It was when you challenged their beliefs, you could see the shutters slam down.
Also, the mother seemed to think that any kind of human contact was a precursor to evil acts of fornication but at the same time had a big enough brood of her own!
You know who they reminded me of?
Lord and Lady Whiteadder!
KennyVader
02-04-2007, 08:57
The looneytune on Fox News. The "interview" with her - it's more of a rabid shouting match - starts 4 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PyoUPcobA
:nuts:
You know who they reminded me of?
Lord and Lady Whiteadder!
Wicked child! *slap* :D
johnson293
02-04-2007, 11:17
Watched this last night - an excellent programme by Louis, but a very disturbing subject. :(
I am all for people having their own thoughts and beliefs, but when people like that insist on pushing those beliefs on other people, and at funerals of all places, then there is something seriously wrong with those people. :mad:
While the USA has freedom of speech, surely their protests could be seen as incitement, and the authorities should be able to stop them, or at the very least move them away?? :thinking:
I saddened for the small boy who was hit with the drink, but I didn't blame the cuplrits for throwing something (I'm surpirised more people didn't!) but more shocked that the family feel it is acceptable to have children that young holding those boards, and being there in the first place. :oh-hum:
One thing did puzzle me though - if the females were virtually forbidden form having 'boyfriends' or any find of reltionship which could lead to 'fornication', then how did they expect the family, and thus the message to be carried on??
I suspect there must be something very dodgy going on, for the amount of children there. :suspect: The question of exactly how many children 'gramps' actually had was met with a very frosty response when raised. :|
I wonder if he was father to many more than the 14 claimed. :gag:
Also, did I hear right, that the girl (in the car that Louis was 'flirting' with) claimed that if she was knocked down by a bus, she would expect to go to Hell, kind of claiming that god would have struck her down?
Does that mean that in their belief system, if you dont die of natural causes, then you must have sinned, have been struck down by god, and are going to hell??? :cuckoo:
MJ
Well, the weird thing is, I can sort of see where they are coming from. In their own minds all the stuff they do is justified because they are trying to save people from literally going to hell for all eternity, the worst thing that can happen to anyone
I think they said that no-one apart from the family will be saved at the end. They were not out to save anyone, just to tell them they were going to hell to soften the impact.:lol:
One thing did puzzle me though - if the females were virtually forbidden form having 'boyfriends' or any find of reltionship which could lead to 'fornication', then how did they expect the family, and thus the message to be carried on??
I read into that they were expecting 'The End' in thier lifetime so why procreate as there would be no point.
Also, did I hear right, that the girl (in the car that Louis was 'flirting' with) claimed that if she was knocked down by a bus, she would expect to go to Hell, kind of claiming that god would have struck her down?
Does that mean that in their belief system, if you dont die of natural causes, then you must have sinned, have been struck down by god, and are going to hell??? :cuckoo:
Sounds like it......complete fruitcakes if you ask me. :cuckoo:
Space Duck
02-04-2007, 12:00
God the old man... blasts LT for asking a silly question like how many kids he has... and it was a valid question but then when LT asks an alright question, he's stupid and not worth the time....
The man is angry and has a god complex..... :x It was shocking the way they responded and every question LT put to them, it was only when he was alone with that there college girl that we started to see the mind set behind the younger generation of the family.
It was a sad state of affairs as the kids obviously didn't know what 'Fags' were and the signs they were holding.... in the end it was the kids who got punished...
When the car sped past I actually thought it'd gone onto the curb and hit one of 'em
avid fan
02-04-2007, 12:11
When the car sped past I actually thought it'd gone onto the curb and hit one of 'em
If it did kill one of them, wouldn't it just have been God's vengeance as well?? (same with the kid getting hit by the cup):suspect:
GAmbrose
02-04-2007, 12:25
"You're going to eat your babies!"
I think he watched Austin Powers 2 a bit too much.
Gary A
the thing with no name
02-04-2007, 12:30
the one thing i would like to have seen in this programme was Louis interviewing one of the 'fallen' members of the family. The view of someone who used to believe what they did, then 'came to their senses' would have been really interesting.
Excellent, if very sad, programme
The Bear
02-04-2007, 12:30
I wonder if their whole community got wiped out and left them all homeless and a few of them dead, they'd all rejoice in 'God's Judgement' then?
The old man was just a nasty evil piece of work, who was rude and insulting to anyone outside his little cult.
If it did kill one of them, wouldn't it just have been God's vengeance as well?? (same with the kid getting hit by the cup):suspect:
It was a bit odd that he never asked this, as it was in my eyes, the most pertinent question - especially as there's a fair chance somebody is going to kill one of these people!
SqueakyG
02-04-2007, 12:44
Fascinating programme. I wondered if it was somehow fake, because at several moments it seemed scripted, even badly acted. I guess these nutjobs have gotten so used to saying the things they say, it comes across slightly scripted. But even Louis sounded scripted at points - the "News flash, brainiac" was very out of place.
Like most of his documentaries, I wanted to reach into the screen and shake these weirdos. There were so many questions I wanted Louis to ask them, but he didn't get the chance. Pastor Phelps showed extreme arrogance by saying Louis was too ignorant and stupid to deserve to ask questions.
the_edge30
02-04-2007, 12:58
Fascinating programme. I wondered if it was somehow fake, because at several moments it seemed scripted, even badly acted. I guess these nutjobs have gotten so used to saying the things they say, it comes across slightly scripted. But even Louis sounded scripted at points - the "News flash, brainiac" was very out of place.
Like most of his documentaries, I wanted to reach into the screen and shake these weirdos. There were so many questions I wanted Louis to ask them, but he didn't get the chance. Pastor Phelps showed extreme arrogance by saying Louis was too ignorant and stupid to deserve to ask questions.
I think the "News Glash" comment was very out of place, and something I havent seen Louis do before, but to be honest I think the fact that the guy was talking absolute rubbish at the time Louis lost it slightly and blurted it out. He does such a good job of hiding his feelings usually, much better than me, i was screaming at the tv throughout and doubt I would have been able to keep quiet if face to face with them.
When Louis questioned the women at the start about where in the ten commandments does it say you shouldnt be gay, she came out with the most pathetic response, "thou shalt not commit adultary". Basically saying there were loads of married men having gay sex on the side. Way to go bend a statement to fit your needs, absolute rubbish.
As is previously echoed on this thread, its the kids I feel sorry for, they basically have NO future in life with (wrong) opinions like this and will be persecuted for their entire lives.
johnson293
02-04-2007, 13:04
the one thing i would like to have seen in this programme was Louis interviewing one of the 'fallen' members of the family. The view of someone who used to believe what they did, then 'came to their senses' would have been really interesting.
Excellent, if very sad, programme
I agree, it's what we were waiting to see, and hear their thoughts - perhaps they have had to change identity, so they are no longer associated with the 'family'?
There's mention of them on the Wikipedia page for 'Gramps'...
During 1993–94 interviews with the Topeka Capital-Journal, the four Phelps children (out of thirteen, Mark, Nate, Katherine and Dotty) who had left the church asserted that their father's religious beliefs were either nonexistent to begin with or have dwindled down to nearly nothing. They insist that Westboro actually serves to enable a paraphilia of Phelps, wherein he is literally addicted to hatred.
MJ
Barney_Tabasco
02-04-2007, 13:19
Is this repeated? I saw it but so many at work didn't.
johnson293
02-04-2007, 13:27
Is this repeated? I saw it but so many at work didn't.
Wednesday night (4th) 11:20pm, BBC2
MJ
Barney_Tabasco
02-04-2007, 13:29
Nice one mate, cheers.
pandaboy
02-04-2007, 13:34
When Louis questioned the women at the start about where in the ten commandments does it say you shouldnt be gay, she came out with the most pathetic response, "thou shalt not commit adultary". Basically saying there were loads of married men having gay sex on the side. Way to go bend a statement to fit your needs, absolute rubbish.Well, adultary technically means sex out of wedlock, not necessarily cheating on a spouse. Therefore all gay sex has to be adultary since same sex marriages (which are only a recent phenomenon anyway) obviously cannot carry any validity in their eyes.
Anyway, madness, utter utter madness. This lot are clearly going to end up burning each other to death in some insane suicide pact. Any could anyone really argue they'd be missed?
ph
pandaboy
02-04-2007, 13:37
They insist that Westboro actually serves to enable a paraphilia of Phelps, wherein he is literally addicted to hatred.Why doesn't he just go and talk about TV programmes on the Internet like everybody else does? ;)
EDIT - I chuckled at that kid getting hit with the cup of juice... Just wish it was the mentalist mother that had it thrown at her head, and the drink had been a house-brick.
I thought that bit was incredibly sad - poor kid looked really shook up (even though he'll no doubt turn into a nut job in a few years)
the scary part was how 'jolly' they all seemed (apart from the the boss), sprouting their beliefs
(although they were spot on with the Lady Di placard) ;)
ferris57
02-04-2007, 13:50
I was most affected by the 21 year old girl, who seemed like a nice person. As did most of the kids. It's just a pity they have been brainwashed by the grandad, who to me was the only genuinely evil nasty one. I'd imagine their experiences as outcasts and being hated by their peers has added to them buying into the whole beliefs of the cult.
Even though the girl was saying the words I think deep down she knows they're wrong and I don't think she genuinely hates anyone. The fact that she was close to tears a couple of times shows how conflicted she is. Sh'es also not going to say anything against the family on a tv show for them to see. She seemed to me that under all the baggage she was desperate for a normal life but was so frightened that what her family were saying might just be true. After all if you'd been told it by everyone you loved and trusted since you were born it's no surprise.
The mom was even quite a likeable person. Just nuts. I actually found her quite amusing. In fact if it wasn't for what she's doing to her kids and for the whole demonstrating at funerals thing which I find abhorant, I wouldn't care in the least what her views were as she's harmless. She'd just be a funny harmless nutjob, she could say what she liked about anyone.
The grandad is the real problem. Evil, nasty, hateful, on the thick side and arrogant. A bad combination. Did anyone else notice that he didn't actually understand what louis was asking the second time so his defence mechanism was to turn it around and make out louis was thick for asking such a stupid question. He's probably so used to belittling people to win an argument tht I'd imagine it works most of the time for him. Make out someones stupid and if they don't have a huge amount of self confidence they'll generaly back down.
"Asked and answered."
Well actually...
And sorry, but I laughed at the kid getting hit on the head with the juice as well.
RomerojpgX
02-04-2007, 15:02
I hate religion in any form to be honest and most religions do brainwash people in small doses and their offspring, but this was taken to a whole other level with this loon bunch of inbred morons.
Its disturbing TV when you acctually get sucked in like that and hate certain people like the freaky old man who is so angry at the world that he was going to explode. He is easily one of the most hateful people ever, and his pathetic line of talk was infuriating, made me want to smash the TV to get to him and help him die quickly!
Fingers crossed HE gets hit by a bus soon and dies in pain, then he goes to hell by his pathetic logic, so someone kill him soon and end the creator of all that pain and hate mongering I say.
I cannot beleve the crap they were all spouting, brainwashing is evil, yet they do it and are getting away with it. Take the chidren off them now! and lock the adults in jail I say, evil scum like that dont deserve to live in our world.
Its just soo sad that they children and younger adults just basically say exactly what they have been forced to say. Word for word if they are old enuff to even speak it.
Sick TV, but fascinating.
I guess we are all doomed, and them wonderful perfect people are all going to Heaven, good I say as Heaven must be a hellhole! esspecially if their God runs it.
If heaven is a place where people like these go then perhaps im better off burning in hell :D
scaramanga
02-04-2007, 15:13
Ive just been watching bits of this and parts really made my stomach churn :( Quite sad...
Mojo Risin
02-04-2007, 15:21
If heaven is a place where people like these go then perhaps im better off burning in hell :D
If heaven has that lot singing those songs I'm not interested
the sound of that lot singing was painful
Mojo Risin
02-04-2007, 15:22
whens the next Louis episode on?
seems like a really sporadic schedule this time round
I didn't think these people were too bad actually. They weren't violent or anything which would have been far worse than being nutters.
The thing that I noticed is that in one way they're like those nutty right-wingers but at the same time they seem like left-wingers, ie extremely anti-war but extreamly homophobic. Their whole logic seems contradictory in general.
I was expecting Louis to interview ex-members at the end but I think he basically had it right when he said the family and people like them just take bits of the bible and use it to justify their own beliefs.
George vader
02-04-2007, 17:09
The woman is a complete and utter nutjob who's sole aim in life seems to be to spout bile and venom.
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andybhoy
02-04-2007, 17:09
I didn't think these people were too bad actually. They weren't violent or anything which would have been far worse than being nutters.
The thing that I noticed is that in one way they're like those nutty right-wingers but at the same time they seem like left-wingers, ie extremely anti-war but extreamly homophobic. Their whole logic seems contradictory in general.
I was expecting Louis to interview ex-members at the end but I think he basically had it right when he said the family and people like them just take bits of the bible and use it to justify their own beliefs.
They're not anti-war at all - if anything they're very pro-war but they WANT to see soldiers die, as they've twisted it into their lies about "God".
I feel great pity for their children, and every future generation they destroy. It just goes to show how dangerous cults and brainwashing really is. They will no doubt turn violent in the future.
abarthman
02-04-2007, 17:16
It was so frustrating watching these otherwise intelligent people holding such bizarre beliefs.
I really don't think I would be able to refrain from trying to slap some sense into most of them.
The grandpa was way past a slapping, though. He deserves to be shot for brainwashing them all. And for being a pain in the arse.
I was actually squirming when they were on their way to disrupt the funeral and Louis Theroux couldn't convince them that it was inappropriate to protest.
TheCookieMonster
02-04-2007, 18:34
The last segment where Louis interviewed the girl in the car, was as telling a moment as he has managed in all his shows so far - you could tell that she didn't believe anything she was saying, and was merely refreshing the hate pumped into her from a young age - sad stuff.
Great show from Louis...though he has been on the pies :suspect:
Yeah that was such a great scene, really loved the bits when he spent time with the girl, really wish he could make the shows longer, a BBC4 cut or something.
Always makes me laugh when he does that lingering stare :lol:
pigpicker
02-04-2007, 18:47
Always makes me laugh when he does that lingering stare :lol:
I reckon that stare is classic and intelligent journalism. He says his piece and then waits for the response. When the response has ended he does nothing but stare creating an uncomfortable silence. The interviewee, more often than not, will then say something else to fill that silence, usually more revealing.
He did this to great effect with the 21yr old daughter in one of the rooms in the house and I think she revealed more about herself and her mixed-up emotions than she really wanted to.
I bet Grampa isn't happy when he watches this back. He'll have her pants down!! The freak.
andybhoy
02-04-2007, 18:51
when I finished watching this, I felt very sad. The children stand absolutely no chance, and have had a lonely upbringing. Well, lonely outside of the "family".
The girl who is becoming a nurse particularly bothers me. I can behind the hatred and brainwashing, a beautiful and an interesting young woman. i hope she is one of those who break through. Despite what is tantamount to child abuse, and very definitely brainwashing, she still shows herself to be more than her family.
I know there are bigger tragedies all round the world, but it's still terribly sad.
Cade Foster
02-04-2007, 19:01
One thing did puzzle me though - if the females were virtually forbidden form having 'boyfriends' or any find of reltionship which could lead to 'fornication', then how did they expect the family, and thus the message to be carried on??
From what wikipedia says, they dont usually go outside the family for that, they also have had some new blood in from the reporter and his family.
RomerojpgX
02-04-2007, 19:11
The thing is yes they aint violent like other religions have been in the past, look at the Christian and Muslim religions (and many others), they murdered massive amounts of people and forced it on people in the past, and brainwashed in gigantic numbers. Join or die basically.
So at least these new nutters dont go around killing everyone to demand they join them. Most religions are full of hate when you read into them, thats why I hate most of them.
The thing is if you stop the person who starts all this hate mongering (the sad pathetic old git) then none of this would have happened. If he was doing this thousands of years ago we all would probibly be part of his cult now, or dead, how times change.
The woman is a complete and utter nutjob who's sole aim in life seems to be to spout bile and venom.
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She's just too far gone isn't she, no matter what Louis said it didn't make the slightest bit of difference to her. Those are her beliefs and as far as she is concerned she is right and everyone else is wrong. How do you reason or debate with someone like that? :shrug:
Mark
andybhoy
02-04-2007, 19:22
. Most religions are full of hate when you read into them, thats why I hate most of them.
While I know what you mean, this does make me laugh :lol:
pigpicker
02-04-2007, 19:22
Do we know who the lucky man was who spawned Shirley's brood?
Did he not want to be part of the interview or did he (quite rightly) do one years ago?
Also wasn't that reporter bloke just asking for a slap? How Louis restrained himself from sticking one on him when he kept sticking his annoying crap-spouting face inches from Louis' I'll never know.
RomerojpgX
02-04-2007, 19:26
While I know what you mean, this does make me laugh :lol:
Yup it makes some strange logic.
That Yutube video is funny as the reporters loose it so easily and get stuck into them, I dont expect that from serious reporters. I dont think they would even let them get away with that on say the BBC :D
The reporter who joined the cult, surley he sounded like a normal bloke before he went to them, so in theory he has had sex, suported causes and done many things which that cult will hate, so when you join you just get forgiven for past sins!? as I am sure most the people who are in the cult HAVE sinned in some form and do so all the time surley? isnt offending people a sin, upsetting, wishing them death? etc..
ferris57
02-04-2007, 21:20
Reading their website just now and it actually doesn't do too bad a job of rationalising their twisted logic and you can at least see the justification in their eyes for what they do.
However, it completely contradicts most of what the members actually said during the documentary. And they made no mention of these reasons when asked about them etc.
It would seem that they don't know themselves what their beliefs are actually meant to be and why they are doing what they are doing.
Just got round to watching this now and what a bunch of nutjobs. I feel really sorry for the kids as their life is completely ruined and they have no choice in the life they live. Hopefully more of them will "escape" soon.
The reporter guy who joined them was a complete idiot. His belief was up their with the mothers but his just didn't seem right (if that makes sense), it was like he joined a gang and was trying to suckarse his way to the top.
SIMON ADEBISI
02-04-2007, 22:26
Are these the "god hates fags" people. What a shower of *****. Im almost glad i missied this programme.
36Degrees
02-04-2007, 23:29
http://www.godhatesfags.com
They've written an open letter to England as a response to us British people.
(Letter contains swearing).
Having watched twenty minutes of this... they're insane.
http://www.godhatesfags.com
They've written an open letter to England as a response to us British people.
(Letter contains swearing).
Having watched twenty minutes of this... they're insane.
They forgot to say "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries" in there....completely bonkers :lol:
snowball
03-04-2007, 05:39
so let me get this right.
Bloke has it in for fags
Bloke has it in for the US Army
Bloke manipulates Bible quotes to fit his own agenda.
Bloke preaches his agenda in a church.
Only in America. I'm glad things are much more under control in this country.
andybhoy
03-04-2007, 07:14
That isn't why he started his church - he started that decades before he started all this "Gid hates" crap. I found an interesting interview ith one of his sons, who says it all started after phelps realised he couldn't brutalise his adult children without them leaving. So he changed his focus of who he brutalises.
Was thinking about this earlier - 2 of the girls said they'd never get mnarried. The reasons they gave were about having other focus, etc. I reckon they won't get mnarried, because they know they would have kids, and don't want to have kids in the "church". Because they know what treatment kids get.
Bananaman
03-04-2007, 11:49
That, and the fact that their child would possibly be their brother or sister.
How many kids did 'Gramps' have.........?
I'm sure he's had more than his fingers in his fair share of 'pies'...!
;-)
wong fei hong
03-04-2007, 13:49
From the open letter to the United Kingdom:
England Military Song
Well, you told all the buggers to
Come on in
Then you fussed and you fumed when we
Called it a sin
Now you stand and you scratch
Your feces crusted chin
And wonder why God killed
Your soldiers again
They are all gone to hell, and you
Know it’s the truth
But you mock and decry how we
Have no real proof
And you look to the Bible and call
It a spoof
You’ll know we are right when
God smashes your tooth
(Chorus)
God hates, He hates, God hates
Your troops
God hates, He hates, God hates
Your troops
You laugh and mock at this plain
Simple truth
But soon He is coming then you’ll
Have your proof
"Feces encrusted chin!" :lol: Man, I never thought I'd feel dirty for looking at a Church website at work...
http://www.godhatesfags.com
They've written an open letter to England as a response to us British people.
(Letter contains swearing).
Having watched twenty minutes of this... they're insane.
Out of curiosity, I just tried to open that link but my work firewall "Access Denied" it on the grounds of being "Violent/Hatred/Racism". I'm glad even computers are smart enough to identify that!! :thumbs:
Sadly, I missed the first 20 mins of this and regretted it immediately as this was one of the most absorbing/horrifying of Louis's shows. Is it repeated at all this week?
Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that they didn't like the fact that Louis seemed to loose his trademark objective cool/insolence. I actually preferred this: as much as I admire his gently mocking style, it made a nice change to actually see flashes of anger in his reactions to these vile-beliefed bigots. It somehow made it even more impactful.
I do wish, though, that his shows were longer, so that we get the chance to see longer, less edited conversations with his subjects. There were the odd occasions when I kinda felt that some of the real meat from his various interviews had been lost on the cutting room floor, that we were only seeing the explosive/jaw dropping highlights.
Now, as I say, I missed the opening quarter of the show, so if this was explained then please ignore me, but I know one of the young women was training to be a Lawyer, and I think someone earlier in the thread mentioned someone else was a medic/doctor (?). If so, how the heck are these people supposed to disassociate their repellent beliefs from jobs that would bring them into direct association with the victims of car accidents, crimes, murders, cancers, diseases, etc??? :thinking: :cuckoo:
wong fei hong
03-04-2007, 14:23
I think the answer is that they have to kick 10% of their pay up to Gramps, so there's onus on them to earn as much as possible... They just shut up and get on with it.
RomerojpgX
03-04-2007, 14:24
Lawyers may have to defend guilty people for all they know, theres another sin surley geting guilty people off the hook. Its probibly not worth thinking about any of it in a logical way, nutters are nutters and theres not a lot you can do to change a person who has been brainwashed of life.
johnson293
03-04-2007, 14:35
Sadly, I missed the first 20 mins of this and regretted it immediately as this was one of the most absorbing/horrifying of Louis's shows. Is it repeated at all this week?
Tomorrow Night, 11:20pm BBC2
MJ :thumbs:
SIMON ADEBISI
03-04-2007, 15:52
Out of curiosity, I just tried to open that link but my work firewall "Access Denied" it on the grounds of being "Violent/Hatred/Racism". I'm glad even computers are smart enough to identify that!! :thumbs:
Same here :lol: What a shower of ****** up people. He needs to be locked in a room with nothing but Queer As Folk Boxsets.
RomerojpgX
03-04-2007, 16:10
Same here :lol: What a shower of ****** up people. He needs to be locked in a room with nothing but Queer As Folk Boxsets.
I am sure he loves gays, thats why he hates them so much. I am also sure he has never commnited a sin in his life and he will knock off God from the Heavens to become a new God.
ryonhilluk
03-04-2007, 16:28
That isn't why he started his church - he started that decades before he started all this "Gid hates" crap. I found an interesting interview ith one of his sons, who says it all started after phelps realised he couldn't brutalise his adult children without them leaving. So he changed his focus of who he brutalises.
Was thinking about this earlier - 2 of the girls said they'd never get mnarried. The reasons they gave were about having other focus, etc. I reckon they won't get mnarried, because they know they would have kids, and don't want to have kids in the "church". Because they know what treatment kids get.
a letter his son wrote about him (http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps03.shtml)
The Bear
03-04-2007, 16:45
I think the only sins they see as relevant to their belief is the Ten Commandments. Hence why they try and shoehorn homosexuality in with adultery.
snowball
03-04-2007, 16:52
a letter his son wrote about him (http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps03.shtml)
interesting reading. :)
ferris57
03-04-2007, 18:56
I thought their views on Bush were particularly amsuing given that most of the world thinks he's a religous zealot :)
rbullivant
03-04-2007, 19:40
You've got to admire their balls, I don't think I could picket someones funeral, who do you reckon the police were protecting them or the funeral?
Sadly people like this in America really aren't that uncommon
R
andybhoy
03-04-2007, 20:01
I actually wonder now if they'll go the "kool aid" route when he pops his clogs.
Yipes, caught up with this tonight. Pretty scary stuff. Feel really pretty sad for them, or more so the younger ones as the older generation seem too far gone.
Can only really hope they grow out of it, or see some common-sense and manage to walk away. Like others mentioned I think he really got through to some, especially the girl at the end and it genuinely seemed like they don't want to be there.
oh-hum, at least hell is warm all year round i guess.
rubbafish
04-04-2007, 10:29
This is the first show of this kind I have seen that has had me engrossed since Morgan Spurlocks '30 Days'. This was both fascinating and sickening at the same time. I did feel in some points that Louis was almost trying to sway people away from their own belief rather than just question it. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with their beliefs and all they stand for but Louis wasn't there to convert.
I had sympathy to an extent for the kids especially the one who got stuff thrown at him from those in the car but all sympathy was lost when they travelled to a funeral to hold a rally.
Even now I still can't get my head around their beliefs... jaw dropping.
sweetmate
04-04-2007, 12:12
a letter his son wrote about him (http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps03.shtml)
Spot on, and even a 50 minute documentary which he features very little in highlights all of that. You can see immediately that everything we see that family do and say is all a manifestation of an evil old man's hatred. Its been thrust upon his children and grandchildren under the banner of religion when in fact its essentially child abuse.
Its such a shame that his warped and twisted ravings will live on amongst those children even when hes dead and buried. Actually theres an idea - who's up for flying to kansas when he dies and picketing his funeral?
"God Hates Evil Old *********"
"Fag Church"
Would love to see the Phelps' faces at that funeral...
"God Hates Evil Old *********"
"Fag Church"
Would love to see the Phelps' faces at that funeral...
I'd bet money that it happens.
wong fei hong
04-04-2007, 12:45
I'd be more up for doing it myself if I weren't convinced that a fair few of the Phelps minions will be sighing in relief at his demise.
Andrew WK
04-04-2007, 13:03
The girl who is becoming a nurse particularly bothers me.
What a bizarre profession to choose judging on the crap this lot came out with. If, for example, someone is brought in close to death after being hit by a car, her playing a part in the person surviving is surely going against God's wish?
wong fei hong
04-04-2007, 13:15
What a bizarre profession to choose judging on the crap this lot came out with. If, for example, someone is brought in close to death after being hit by a car, her playing a part in the person surviving is surely going against God's wish?
Ah but is it God's will that she uses her powers of nursing to save that person?
If you try to rationalise their system, your head will implode - either fate/controlling God exists and free will is an illusion, hence all evil comes from fate/controlling God and is beyond our control, therefore we are innocent OR it's all nonsense. WBC don't operate within the bounds of logic...
andybhoy
04-04-2007, 15:54
I had sympathy to an extent for the kids especially the one who got stuff thrown at him from those in the car but all sympathy was lost when they travelled to a funeral to hold a rally.
I have great sympathy for the kids - they aren't choosing to do what they do. They have been brainwashed from birth and they are as much victims of this cult, as those whose funerals are picketed.
I even have sympathy for the teens - how do you make critical decisions when you face that degree of brainwashing.
Fred is the one who deserves most of the the scorn and contempt. I just hope that when he dies, things die with him but I can't see it.
Even now, a couple of days later I am actually still feeling haunted by it. I just hope that when fred dies, his funeral is picketed.
hookbeak
04-04-2007, 16:17
I think this is repeated tonight by the way if anyone wants to see it.... can't remember what channel (BBC3 i *think*) at about 10/11 ish...
Fred is the one who deserves most of the the scorn and contempt.Along with that documentary maker who joined the "church" with his family of his own free will. That's some pretty ****** up **** right there!
SqueakyG
04-04-2007, 16:38
I also wondered how she could be a healthcare professional when she admits to laughing with joy at people getting killed in car accidents. How could you trust her to keep you alive? I guess if she let someone die by not doing her job properly, that would kinda break the commandment "Thou shall not kill", and she'd burn forever in Hell too.
rbullivant
04-04-2007, 19:03
If you have Telewest it's on the teleport service.
I think its more interesting to know what sort of person would use one of these inbreeds as a lawyer? Don't think I'd want to use them.
Anyone know when Louis is back with a new episode?
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GProject
04-04-2007, 23:14
I think this is repeated tonight by the way if anyone wants to see it.... can't remember what channel (BBC3 i *think*) at about 10/11 ish...
It's on BBC2 right now.
Nicky Ray
05-04-2007, 16:51
Anybody know when the next show is on?
Did I hear something about Mr T, or did I imagine that!?
I thought he hadn't even started work on his next show?
They are all going to hell, what a waste of their pathetic lives. I cannot understand how anyone can go thru their life hating any group of people that do not directly affect them. I hope when they die they realised what a waste of time it has been.
it's sad how the kids have been completly brainwashed, there should be some sort of agency to protect the younger members and remove them from that cult.
You've got to admire their balls, I don't think I could picket someones funeral, who do you reckon the police were protecting them or the funeral?
Sadly people like this in America really aren't that uncommon
R:eek: Say what? I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the "Bible Belt," and I can tell you that "people like this in America" are extremely uncommon. Even the highly religious people I meet who think homosexuality is wrong don't "hate fags" and don't picket funerals.
These people are not representative of Americans or religious people.
People like this always really creep me out. The most disturbing thing was how they take pleasure in the hate they spout.
andybhoy
06-04-2007, 07:05
:eek: Say what? I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the "Bible Belt," and I can tell you that "people like this in America" are extremely uncommon. Even the highly religious people I meet who think homosexuality is wrong don't "hate fags" and don't picket funerals.
These people are not representative of Americans or religious people.
I would agree - this is NOT normal behaviour in America. It's not even normal behaviour in some of the - less developed countries where we've come to expect hate to be spouted against others.
What makes these people unique is that they've turned their hatred, or rather the hatred of Fred Phelps, onto the whole of their nation. Yes, gays are the "issue" they've chosen, but they've carefully ensured that everyone in America who doesn't think exactly like them, is as bad and doomed as any gay.
Fred could just as easily have chosen any other victim group but gays were the perfect foil for him (they could twist them into the 10 commandments).
I will be watching this family for many years now - I want to see what happens when Fred dies.
Anyone else think the 21 year old daughter had the hots for Louis?
RomerojpgX
06-04-2007, 13:54
Anyone else think the 21 year old daughter had the hots for Louis?
Nope, as if she did she would go STRAIGHT TO HELL FOR ETERNITY :lol:
So if she did, she has to hide it from everyone and herself and God, good luck :lol:
Mr. Brown
06-04-2007, 14:59
Anyone else think the 21 year old daughter had the hots for Louis?
I think she was more likely just flattered and embarrased to be getting male attention. I doubt she's considered a catch at Uni...
"Guys, I think I might ask that Phelps girl out at the weekend, I hear she's got a thing about anal"
I think she was more likely just flattered and embarrased to be getting male attention. I doubt she's considered a catch at Uni...
"Guys, I think I might ask that Phelps girl out at the weekend, I hear she's got a thing about anal"
Maybe that's actually alright. Could bee seen as a workaround. :thumbs:
I quite fancied her - not her views of course. She seemed the most normal of the lot - until she spoke. Actually the little boy seemed the most normal - making mistakes when trying to repeat the hatred of his mum. Felt very sorry for the kids.
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