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8-]
08-10-2002, 17:23
New Series of Top Gear

Sunday 11 May 8pm-9pm BBC2

Toothy
08-10-2002, 17:56
Still nothing on TiVo....checked upto the 19th of October. :(

Digital
08-10-2002, 18:05
Just one day out Toothy :lol:



The all-new Top Gear - Introduction
The cat's out of the bag, as everything you needed to know about the new Top Gear TV programme is laid bare over the next few pages. So if you've not got a window in your diary at 8pm on Sunday 20 October, make sure you do a quick bit of rescheduling to make sure you don't miss the all-new TV programme.

At the helm will be Jeremy, but there'll be two new faces for you to meet. Not only that but the format will be nothing like anything you've seen before and if you always thought that half an hour was nothing like long enough, your prayers have been answered – because the new show runs for a whole hour.

As you know, we don't do things by halves here at Top Gear, so to accompany the new TV show the magazine is getting a completely fresh look with a new mix of tests, features, news and entertainment. Jeremy will be writing more than ever for the best motoring title on the shelves and the magazine comes with a cast iron guarantee that it'll be a more absorbing read than ever. So make a note in your diary to grab a copy of the new-look Top Gear magazine out on 30 October. That'll be the one with December 2002 as the cover date.

And did we mention the all-new website that's set to launch along with the revamped TV programme? No? Well if you like the current website (which of course you do), we've got something a bit special lined up for you. Set to launch on the same day as the TV programme we've gone and built a website that takes all the best bits of the current offering then builds on them big style. More news, features, reviews and competitions than ever before along with a few new bits and pieces that we won't tell you about just yet. But you won't have to wait long before it's all there for you to see…


From here (http://www.topgear.beeb.com/content/latest/features/features/new_tg/01/)

Toothy
08-10-2002, 19:01
Originally posted by Digital
Just one day out Toothy :lol:
:lol:
When TiVo makes its daily call tonight, it`ll pick it up. :D

Mandrill
08-10-2002, 19:06
Not only that but the format will be nothing like anything you've seen before

Well unless you have seen Driven , in which case you will recognise a live audience,Car's reviewed in a studio and an handy airfield outside in which to test the car's on.

:nuts:

8-]
08-10-2002, 20:35
Originally posted by Digital
Just one day out Toothy :lol:

From here (http://www.topgear.beeb.com/content/latest/features/features/new_tg/01/)
Thanks m8 - that's just what I wanted to hear. I'll update the thread title to give the details.


From that URL:

The all-new Top Gear - The JC Q&A

Q You’ve been away from TG for four years, what’s made you choose now to come back?
A It was that, or present a show on cushions

Q Is it right that the new TG format was largely your idea?
A Yes, but my idea was pretty rubbish and would have cost a million, billion pounds a programme to produce. Now some people who know how to make tv programmes have turned it into a much better format

Q Would you call it a chat show with cars or a car show with chat?
A Oh, it’s not a chat show at all. It’s a car show with celebrity guests who like cars

Q Are you older and wiser?
A Older, yes. Wiser? Well, I still don’t know when to shut up

Q But hopefully not any mellower?
A Well, I still call a spade a spade

Q Didn’t think you were that polite?
A I will still speak as I find [said in a Yorkshire accent]

Q You’re making this series in London, not Pebble Mill. Will you miss Birmingham?
A In the same way that you might miss a set of dreary neighbours when you’re off on your holidays

Q You have sold your Ferrari and bought a Mercedes. What are we supposed to read into that?
A That the SL is a bloody good car. And you don’t wince when you get out of a Merc

Q Will we see a change in the Clarkson style in the new show?
A Fewer pauses, I’ve given up smoking, so I can breathe better now

Q And what about a change of image after that makeover show? No more jeans and cowboy boots?
A Cowboy boots went in 1992. I still wear jeans though

Q Are there still bad cars for you to be rude about?
A Several bad ones. Several good ones. And hundreds of useless, average ones

Q And good ones? What snaps knicker elastic at 100 yards these days?
A SL Merc, Porsche Turbo, BMW M3, Evo 7, Citroen Berlingo Multispace

Q Citroen Berlingo Multispace?
A It shows a sensible streak, women like that, and it’s quite funky

Q What will be the best bit of the new show?
A Me

Q And apart from you?
A It will still have fast cars, it’ll still be irreverent and fly in the face of everything that people tell you. Cars aren’t bad things – come on in and enjoy them

homerjhandley
08-10-2002, 20:44
no VBH though. :(

Radiohead
08-10-2002, 21:01
Head to head with Dream Team

arse

:lol:

8-]
14-10-2002, 01:52
At about 9pm tonight I suddenly thought that I'd missed Clarkson, before I realised that it was next week :)

Mark
14-10-2002, 22:38
Originally posted by homerjhandley
no VBH though. :(

Thank god!

Blokie
15-10-2002, 11:25
Originally posted by Mark
Thank god!

:eek:

Panavision
15-10-2002, 13:33
VBH does my head in but would give her one... :norty:

SOUNDSTYLE
15-10-2002, 14:48
Having celebrity guests does not sound good.
It's going to be as bad 'Driven' I bet.:(
5th Gear have the right idea but they just need better presenters: They're all prats, yes that includes VBH.

Toothy
15-10-2002, 17:30
Originally posted by Panavision
VBH does my head in but would give her one... :norty:
Stand in line m8....;)

Mandrill
15-10-2002, 20:28
Originally posted by SOUNDSTYLE
Having celebrity guests does not sound good.
It's going to be as bad 'Driven' I bet.:(
5th Gear have the right idea but they just need better presenters: They're all prats, yes that includes VBH.

The celebrity guest they had at the recording I saw was David Ginola they get them to race a cheapie car around a track to see who gets the best time at the end of the series.The other Guest they were due to have on was Ross Kemp

SOUNDSTYLE
16-10-2002, 15:23
Originally posted by Mandrill
The celebrity guest they had at the recording I saw was David Ginola they get them to race a cheapie car around a track to see who gets the best time at the end of the series.The other Guest they were due to have on was Ross Kemp
I JUST WANT TO SEE CARS BEING TESTED.
I can just about cope with Ginola but Ross Kemp.....give me a break.
Top gear is going to be rubbish - I just know it.
:mad:

8-]
16-10-2002, 21:07
As long as Clarkson continues to come out with his usual comments and unustified hatred for some cars - it will still be amusing and worth watching.

Sounds like it could be like "Clarkson the Talk Show" but concentrating on cars.

8-]
20-10-2002, 00:10
Studio based show now

Up to the top in time for tomorrow (well today now I guess) :)

Paul490
20-10-2002, 01:54
Originally posted by 8-]
As long as Clarkson continues to come out with his usual comments and unustified hatred for some cars - it will still be amusing and worth watching.

Yeah.

He's funny - especially on a certain Clarkson video where he bashes up a Yugo.

8-]
20-10-2002, 09:51
There were so many:

The car they used a medieval catapult on (tre-something the catapult was called)

The machine-gunning from a helicopter of the Corvette

The Tank vs one car

The death of the Volvo

:clap:

Paul490
20-10-2002, 10:58
Originally posted by 8-]
There were so many:

The car they used a medieval catapult on (tre-something the catapult was called)

The machine-gunning from a helicopter of the Corvette

The Tank vs one car

The death of the Volvo

:clap:

Yeah, the Lada one was class too.

He was about the only reason I ever watched Top Gear.

Clarkson is da man!

George vader
20-10-2002, 12:59
Driven?...........more like drivel nowadays.
Jebus what's happened to that show?
Max Power anyone?

Mandrill
20-10-2002, 14:43
I watched a car show the other day Pulling power I think it was called it was fairly good.It was on late Thursday night had James Allen of F1 testing a motorbike :shocker:
Had a really good review of the new megane and they tested a vauxhall vx sport car thingie against a ferrari modena.

From the recording of Top gear I went too Clarkson was very funny and riped it out of the new Renault Valsatis

8-]
20-10-2002, 19:49
Starting in 10 mins :)

kcxdev
20-10-2002, 20:18
er... chat show stylee?

Mark
20-10-2002, 20:33
So far, so... not too bad. :|

Radiohead
20-10-2002, 21:00
Much better than Driven - although that's not hard.

Good watching though - the hour went quickly....

dustjunkie
20-10-2002, 21:00
diesel cars running off used vegetable oil . . how cool. . . but remember YOU MUST PAY TAX te he hehe

Se7en
20-10-2002, 21:08
Found it pretty entertaining except for calling the driver the 'stick', bit corney really.

Mark
20-10-2002, 21:19
Originally posted by Se7en
Found it pretty entertaining except for calling the driver the 'stick', bit corney really.

I need to get my ears cleaned - I though they called him "The Stig".

/me goes off to stick pointy things in my lugholes...

Se7en
20-10-2002, 21:22
Originally posted by Mark
I need to get my ears cleaned - I though they called him "The Stig".

/me goes off to stick pointy things in my lugholes...

You could be right, they said it so fast I'm not 100% sure. :confused:

tuco
20-10-2002, 21:29
Not a bad start, although there were a few moments whilst watching Clarkson that for some reason, bought memories of a certain Alan Partridge to mind.

harry55
20-10-2002, 21:30
just watched it.

did you get the dig at c5's 5th gear when he was testing the Zonda?

...and then I shift from fith..............




{pause**




.... to top gear:rocker:

WiggyWog
20-10-2002, 21:43
Good show, was definetley "The Stig" though.

kcxdev
20-10-2002, 21:44
Originally posted by Mark
I need to get my ears cleaned - I though they called him "The Stig".

/me goes off to stick pointy things in my lugholes...

Its was 'the stick' when they first introduced him (or it) but each time 'it' was mentioned they said 'stig'.

mythuk
20-10-2002, 21:50
why did they keep pretending it was live? I hate it when shows so that.

Se7en
20-10-2002, 21:55
Originally posted by mythuk
why did they keep pretending it was live? I hate it when shows so that.

I agree, why didn't they present a story and finish it before carrying onto another one rather than doing half the story at the start and the rest at the end?

d.boyd1uk
20-10-2002, 22:35
I thourougly enjoyed it, I thought that Zonda was so cool, I like clarkson, I know most people don't, the only thing i have with him is that he tends to slag off normal cars, and loves his sporty type cars, where as most people drive normal cars.

The show went quick for me too!

BBC has been showing a few good programmes recentley.


what car do you think, if any will beat that Zonda's lap time?

I liked the speed camera test too, from now on 170mph for me.

I-BERT
20-10-2002, 22:56
They could have got someone better than the Hybrid of Prince Charles and Alan Partridge to co-host don't you think.I just felt there was something missing though..........like a WOMAN!

Don't the BBC know that Cars+Woman=Veiwers?



Good show though.

P.S I think the new Porcshe could have the Zonda.It will eat those corners.

8-]
20-10-2002, 23:40
I liked it - Clarkson delivered again :)

Paul490
21-10-2002, 01:10
Bugger.

Bloody forgot it was on...

BlueDwarf
21-10-2002, 01:16
Worth it just to see the new Lambo. Shame they had Enfield on it, sooo unfunny.

Toothy
21-10-2002, 05:10
Enfield is a bit of a spangle....definitely something missing upstairs.

As for the show.....quite enjoyed it....although anybody who has a Subaru Impreza, will be crying. :lol:

The resale value has crashed, due to the £3k price cut off new Impreza`s . Oh dear. :rolleyes:

Radiohead
21-10-2002, 07:25
Don't you just love it when manufacturer's do that?....

:brickwall

searla
21-10-2002, 08:50
I kept having a quick look, during the Coldplay live breaks;)

Was it going out live, or just done to look that way?

Seemed quite good from the bits I saw:)

JonnyO
21-10-2002, 09:36
I am so happy :clap:
When I read the 'premise' for the new series I thought it was going to go the same way as Drivel. Thankfully not. I thought it was good. Loads of information, well presented, only one gimmick (the Stig - and it is Stig according to Top Gear mag) and actually about cars! I like it that Jeremy says they are after cars with character. Good, I couldn't agree more. No blandmobiles please :) Laso like it that Richard Hammond is now on a bigger channel than some of the obscure satellite channels. I think he deserves it.

GAmbrose
21-10-2002, 09:39
Ah crap, I missed it.

Is it repeated?

Gary A

Toothy
21-10-2002, 09:43
Originally posted by JonnyO
I am so happy :clap:
When I read the 'premise' for the new series I thought it was going to go the same way as Drivel. Thankfully not. I thought it was good. Loads of information, well presented, only one gimmick (the Stig - and it is Stig according to Top Gear mag) and actually about cars! I like it that Jeremy says they are after cars with character. Good, I couldn't agree more. No blandmobiles please :) Laso like it that Richard Hammond is now on a bigger channel than some of the obscure satellite channels. I think he deserves it.
I think the producers should give Richard Hammond a box to stand on. ;) :nuts:

JonnyO
21-10-2002, 09:47
Originally posted by Toothy
I think the producers should give Richard Hammond a box to stand on. ;) :nuts:

Ha ha, thats true, he does look a little silly stood next to Clarkson. Perhaps why they do that 'news' bit sitting down?

mr bad example
21-10-2002, 10:06
Much better than I expected, though a bit too long - they were stretching items to fill up space in parts. Typical Clarkson irreverent 'I'll-say-what-I-like' tone was the best bit. Newsy bits were good. Somebody ought to tell that co-presenter bloke about that shirt. Worst bit was the Stig gimmick, just schoolboy silly. Just tell us who the driver is, FFS ...

What's the point of a 'live audience' when they just stand around looking vaguely embarrassed and calling out when cued to?

Yep, Enfield is hopeless when he's not in a character and following a script. He doesn't know what to say, but cringingly wants to be liked :(

BTW isn't Driven just dire? the first week was bizarre, then they've just repeated the format every week. The sumo bit is pitifully boring. How can it appeal to the 'Max generation' (if it's meant to) when one presenter looks like your mate's mum who works in the library and another is like your embarassing uncle who thinks he's jack-the-lad though he's pushing on middle age. Spare us :rolleyes:

Toothy
21-10-2002, 10:10
Oh....I forgot about the fat, used car salesman.....what a pratt.....someone buy him a bra!!

RobDickinson
21-10-2002, 10:52
When did Alan Partridge start presenting car programs?

Dan
21-10-2002, 10:58
Thought it was good, but best suited to a half hour slot.:D

Ron Hill
21-10-2002, 10:59
Loved the show. Having the Berlingo parked next to the Zonda was genius. The Stig hurtling around at ludicrous speed with "Raindrops keep falling.." had me in stitches.

Strange thing is I actually liked the Lambo more than the Zonda. The Zonda is WAY the fastest but the styling of the Lambo makes me weak at the knees and it's plenty fast enough thankyou! :)

Harry Enfield is a bit strange I have to say. Every time I see him interviewed it's like he's a different person. I reckon he must be terminally shy and just throws a different persona on each time he's interviewed.

Thought the short skinny guy worked out AOK on the show. Not so sure about the fat bargain hunter though. Nothing against fat people it's just that he did come across more "Driven" than "Top Gear" IMHO. I'll give him a chance though as the point he raised about the Subaru bargain was good.

Only thing that REALLY narked me was that I nearly missed it due to SKY giving me BBC2 NI as opposed to regular BBC2 UK. Thankfully my old terestrial conection picks up the nationals. Must figure out how to get rid of the crappy NI channels and replace them with the nationals.

8-]
21-10-2002, 11:30
Next week's celeb is JK and he should be able to drive better than Enfield as he has a bunch of supercars - lambo, F40, etc.

Nick[Blarg]
21-10-2002, 11:41
Originally posted by 8-]
Next week's celeb is JK and he should be able to drive better than Enfield as he has a bunch of supercars - lambo, F40, etc.

Don't forget his newest car.. The Spider.. complete with special Jamiroquai badge and stuff on the inside!

(You'd never guess I was a Jamiroquai fan :nuts: :nuts: )

TungataZebiwe
21-10-2002, 12:31
Originally posted by Nick[Blarg]
Don't forget his newest car.. The Spider.. complete with special Jamiroquai badge and stuff on the inside!


What kind of spider? 360?

Nick[Blarg]
21-10-2002, 12:58
Yep, 360

Ron Hill
21-10-2002, 13:11
Just coz he has dosh to buy fast cars doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a natural great driver. I distinctly remember a picture of a trashed purple diablo sitting on top of a portacabin in a scrapyard that belonged to Jay Kay. Made me sick to my stomach looking at it. Actual insanity, nothing virtual about it. :oh-hum:

Nick[Blarg]
21-10-2002, 13:16
HAHAHA that happened during the filming of Cosmic Girl. He used the car in the video and someone had to drive it from England to Italy. On the way the driver totalled it on a corner.. so Jay just bought a new one :p

Panavision
21-10-2002, 13:17
Originally posted by Toothy
Oh....I forgot about the fat, used car salesman.....what a pratt.....someone buy him a bra!!

:rolleyes:

stoneranger
21-10-2002, 13:29
Originally posted by Ron Hill
Just coz he has dosh to buy fast cars doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a natural great driver. I distinctly remember a picture of a trashed purple diablo sitting on top of a portacabin in a scrapyard that belonged to Jay Kay. Made me sick to my stomach looking at it. Actual insanity, nothing virtual about it. :oh-hum:

he'll still beat Enfields' time - talking of who, was anyone else suprised at his time?? thought he'd be way slower than that yet he looked like a pretty good driver on the track :)

8-]
21-10-2002, 14:03
Originally posted by Nick[Blarg]
Don't forget his newest car.. The Spider.. complete with special Jamiroquai badge and stuff on the inside!

(You'd never guess I was a Jamiroquai fan :nuts: :nuts: )
His F40 is a much more extreme driving machine than the 360.

IIRC he has had 2 purple Diablos totalled by others driving them.

Nick[Blarg]
21-10-2002, 14:16
Originally posted by 8-]
IIRC he has had 2 purple Diablos totalled by others driving them.

Yep thats right, serve's him right for letting others drive them doesn't it!

They were both totalled by people driving them to the Cosmic Girl video shoot in Italy.

SOUNDSTYLE
21-10-2002, 14:44
It was alright but still not how I want it.
The other presenters are awful but the short chap is not as irritating as he was on another channel (can't remember which one).
There are still the silly things which Driven would do, such as:

The stupid music being played when you get an incar shot of the mystery driver.

Celebrities: Who needs them?

Next week we'll have old farts showing how fast they can drive round the race track. Who the hell cares :mad:

There was too much rubbish being talked and not enough cars being tested.

The audience (what's the point of them in the first place) look bored out of their minds, which I was when Clarkson and the short chap talked rubbish to each other.

I thought that it was going to be rubbish and I was right, but it's still better than Driven.

I hope one day that we can have a simple car programme (which top gear was ten years ago) where they test cars and comment on issues of the day and that's it. I don't want the other crap that goes with it.

:mad:

George vader
21-10-2002, 15:09
A thumbs up from me too, though Enfields a waste of space and the "chat show" bit was slightly lame.

cervaro
21-10-2002, 16:14
Much better than the old Top Gear which had gone way off the boil and was in no way related to the original programme. Nice to see it given an hour slot now too. Needs a female presenter though, for the boys! ;)

Philc
21-10-2002, 16:54
Originally posted by Toothy
Enfield is a bit of a spangle....definitely something missing upstairs.

As for the show.....quite enjoyed it....although anybody who has a Subaru Impreza, will be crying. :lol:

The resale value has crashed, due to the £3k price cut off new Impreza`s . Oh dear. :rolleyes:

Only crying if you have bought a new shape WRX. The price cut will affect the MY03 onwards but it's about time they were dropped.

Welshlad
21-10-2002, 18:26
:mad: :brickwall Missed it! Just checked with the Tivo and its not repeated..damn!

8-]
21-10-2002, 18:41
Originally posted by Philc
Only crying if you have bought a new shape WRX. The price cut will affect the MY03 onwards but it's about time they were dropped.
Yep - those bug-eyed Corolla-like monstrosities were pretty nasty looking compared to their precursors.

I-BERT
21-10-2002, 19:11
Originally posted by RobDickinson
When did Alan Partridge start presenting car programs?

I wish i'd said that!:brickwall

8-]
21-10-2002, 19:16
You bunch of mentalists. :)

Toothy
21-10-2002, 21:01
Originally posted by Philc
Only crying if you have bought a new shape WRX. The price cut will affect the MY03 onwards but it's about time they were dropped.
Can`t really see that happening.

That would mean the old shape.....which I prefer anyway.....would be worth more than the newer style.

If a manufacturer cuts the price of a model.....it`ll affect the residuals of the whole range....old and new bodystyles.

Impreza`s have become £3k cheaper overnight.....I may be tempted to buy one has a 2nd car.

:)

d.boyd1uk
21-10-2002, 23:31
Originally posted by 8-]
You bunch of mentalists. :)

That episode has to be one of the best, Soooooooo funny!!


am i right in thinking, they will be using the suzuki every week to see who is the fasteset?

8-]
21-10-2002, 23:38
Originally posted by d.boyd1uk
That episode has to be one of the best, Soooooooo funny!!


am i right in thinking, they will be using the suzuki every week to see who is the fasteset?
I hope so as otherwise it would make the comparisons pointless. They may use similar cars I suppose.

Philc
21-10-2002, 23:51
Originally posted by Toothy
Can`t really see that happening.

That would mean the old shape.....which I prefer anyway.....would be worth more than the newer style.

If a manufacturer cuts the price of a model.....it`ll affect the residuals of the whole range....old and new bodystyles.

Impreza`s have become £3k cheaper overnight.....I may be tempted to buy one has a 2nd car.

:)

Yes and the reason for this? They have become cheaper for one simple reason and that is that the new shape (MY03) is due very soon. So effectively you are getting a soon to be obsolete car.

I do however feel sorry for purchasers of the current bug-eye shape and think that Subaru should offer some sort of reimbursement on this vehicle.

That said the classics are still holding their value, more so than most other cars in the same league.

You want one as a second car? You must have more money than sense as they cost a fortune to run.

Plus I wouldn't call it a second car over an Integra Type R.

:D

8-]
22-10-2002, 00:11
Originally posted by Philc
Plus I wouldn't call it a second car over an Integra Type R.

:D
Uh oh.... that's fighting talk :)

Panavision
22-10-2002, 08:47
Classic knobend Clarkson... :)

Good show, but want more car tests, 3 car tests at least. I'm glad they've refreshed the format, let's see how it goes...

Island Swing
22-10-2002, 09:30
Bring back Vicki Butler Henderson, theres nothing quite like those squeeks she makes when she puts the foot down :norty: grrr!

8-]
22-10-2002, 09:44
At least with Clarkson and the might of the BBC behind them they will get supercars, big names and all the over-the-top stuff that we (well me anyway) like to see :)

Panavision
22-10-2002, 13:21
Vicki Butler Henderson gets on my nerves now, still do her, though :norty:

Morton
22-10-2002, 16:40
VBH and Tiff have their own show on Channel 5 though - 5th gear.

That Zonda was magnificent but costing twice as much as the £/$(?)160k Lambo it bloomin' well should be.

I was just amazed at the size of the Ford GT40's rear tyres, admittedly the presenter isn't the tallest guys, but the wheel was still up to his waist! Huuuuge! And what a car, gorgeous inside - a real demonstration of American, over enthusiastic, muscle car excess. For goodness sake! A remote control, electric hatch for the petrol cap! :notworthy

Harry Enfield just looks ill. Old and ill, he looks like he has a terminal disease - shave that bonce mate!

I like the Granny competition though, I'm currently trying to borrow my Nan's dress and make up to get on the show and set a fast lap!! ;)

Geezer
22-10-2002, 17:05
Originally posted by Nick[Blarg]
Don't forget his newest car.. The Spider.. complete with special Jamiroquai badge and stuff on the inside!

(You'd never guess I was a Jamiroquai fan :nuts: :nuts: )

Hehe, I saw JK in his silver 360 spider on the Kings Road one night. Since your a fan could you explain the significance of the plates on it-'J666 SPY'- i understand the J bit, but the rest???:confused:

8-]
25-10-2002, 18:47
I saw the first episode again today (at a friend's place) and can answer two of the questions in this thread:

They definitely called the unnamed driver "The Stig" everywhere - some of them just inunciate better than onthers.

Also they will be using the same Suzuki car with every celebrity.

Mandrill
28-10-2002, 14:08
Pretty good again IMO this is the best of the big 3 car show's (Driven and 5th gear being the other 2).

Also did anybody see the car show program on BBC1 about 3.30 Sunday.Damon Hill took a Merc (90 grand coupe not sure of exact name) round a track with one of the presenter's and the presenter got sick out the window :lol: :lol: Hill also went over a crest and had all 4 wheel off the road very impressive.

DVDWotcha
28-10-2002, 14:25
Yeah I saw that. He was really punishing that merc... :notworthy: the poor presenter totally lost his lunch. :lol:

Not sure I fully agree with the ethics of these petrol head programs. I mean they were taking the P out of the americans because people were copying the high speed police chases they enjoy televising so much. But really clarkson and gang are also probably encouraging a load of teenage petrol heads to go off cruising, driving fast and pulling dodgy stunts in their souped up novas. oh well.... :rolleyes: :nuts:

Still damn good entertainment all the same....:clap:

Nero
28-10-2002, 15:03
I love this new format. 5th Gear, Driven and Pulling Power don't even come close!!

Panavision
28-10-2002, 15:32
Yep, Top Gear rocks. Vauxhall!!! :lol: Jay Kay was okay, wish they showed his cars :D

mr bad example
28-10-2002, 15:47
Originally posted by Mandrill
Also did anybody see the car show program on BBC1 about 3.30 Sunday.Damon Hill took a Merc (90 grand coupe not sure of exact name) round a track with one of the presenter's and the presenter got sick out the window :lol: :lol:

Yep it was a classic - bet it turns up on all the bloopers shows :lol:

It was that slaphead cockney car dealer bloke from 'Right car, wrong car'. I liked it when Hill said 'no-one's ever done that to me before - at least he can now tell people: Damon Hill makes me sick!'

Digital
28-10-2002, 18:05
"Damon Hill makes me sick!" - Superb :clap:

8-]
28-10-2002, 21:02
Originally posted by Digital
"Damon Hill makes me sick!" - Superb :clap:
I thought that Hill was quite witty when he came out with that on the program. He's not normally the most eloquent or witty :)

Mark
28-10-2002, 23:55
I missed Sundays show. Does it get repeated in the week?

8-]
29-10-2002, 09:49
Originally posted by Mark
I missed Sundays show. Does it get repeated in the week?
Probably not as it was about the Motor Show and that ends this week.

Mark
30-10-2002, 13:23
Originally posted by 8-]
Probably not as it was about the Motor Show and that ends this week.

Ta. :(

Ron Hill
31-10-2002, 12:22
Originally posted by 8-]
I thought that Hill was quite witty when he came out with that on the program. He's not normally the most eloquent or witty :)

I can't imagine the mercedes dealership who supplied the SL55 AMG were too happy when the roll bar deployed! Seeing it go airborne was EXCELLENT! Can you imagine if they'd let him loose in a Murcielago or god forbid a Zonda. The car 'd be half way to MARS! :clap:

Ron Hill
31-10-2002, 12:26
.. as an afterthought. D'ya reckon Damon Hill is The STIG? :)

Radiohead
31-10-2002, 12:35
I thought that - but they're hiding his long hair well if he is....

Digital
31-10-2002, 12:37
I think "THE STIG" is smaller and thinner than DH.

8-]
31-10-2002, 13:47
After the comment Clarkson made (in the first episode) about racing drivers suffering from no personality and that it was called "Mansell syndrome" - I thought that it might be Mansell.

Ron Hill
01-11-2002, 12:41
Originally posted by Digital
I think "THE STIG" is smaller and thinner than DH.

If he's thinner than Damon Hill he must be terrified of drain grills and cattle grids. :)

8-]
01-11-2002, 19:38
I have one problem with Top Gear putting all the super-cars on a hot lap around their circuit and then putting the times up on a board.

It sort of defeats the whole point when they send a car (like the Noble) around the track when its wet. :brickwall while the Lambo and Zonda went around when it was dry. With the sort of power these cars have it makes a noticable difference if its wet or dry

Mandrill
01-11-2002, 21:26
When I went to the recording of top gear they said that they would wet the track so it would always be fair.Though it was dry for the Zonda if you look some of the track was wet were they had laid water down.

Having seen the Stig in person the guy is a munchkin so I doubt it's Hill

8-]
01-11-2002, 22:44
Originally posted by Mandrill
When I went to the recording of top gear they said that they would wet the track so it would always be fair.Though it was dry for the Zonda if you look some of the track was wet were they had laid water down.

Having seen the Stig in person the guy is a munchkin so I doubt it's Hill
A few bits of wet track isn't the same as a track with standing water everywhere and rain.

Could the Stig be Johnny Herbert?

Mandrill
02-11-2002, 03:22
Originally posted by 8-]
A few bits of wet track isn't the same as a track with standing water everywhere and rain.

Could the Stig be Johnny Herbert?

I agree with the track it isnt the same but with the British weather it best they can do to try to make it fair.

Johnny Herbet is a good call :thumbs:

Radiohead
02-11-2002, 08:45
The latest issue of TG magazine has The Stig driving loads of supercars, and the clues they give are:

He speaks with a French accent
He's not very tall

Jean Alesi? Yvon Muller?

8-]
02-11-2002, 09:55
It could be any number of F1 testers I suppose - they're all pretty good drivers.

gagsy
03-11-2002, 13:52
Originally posted by Radiohead
The latest issue of TG magazine has The Stig driving loads of supercars, and the clues they give are:

He speaks with a French accent
He's not very tall

Jean Alesi? Yvon Muller?
I think Muller would be too tall (but I don't really know), and Jean Alesi, isn't he racing in the DTM series?

Could it be a French-Canadian?
Jacque Villeneuve?(but he'd want loadsa money) There must be others.

8-]
03-11-2002, 13:57
Does anyone know how long this series of Top Gear is - how many episodes I mean?

Mandrill
03-11-2002, 20:18
Balls missed the beginning again DOH !!!!

Mandrill
03-11-2002, 20:34
Page 3 bird Lelini in the studio :thumbs: Bout time they got some totty :norty:

Dan
03-11-2002, 21:09
LMAO at those Grannies doing donuts and LMAO at next weeks religion race.:D

8-]
03-11-2002, 21:17
Originally posted by dp2
LMAO at those Grannies doing donuts and LMAO at next weeks religion race.:D
The grannies were amusing.

The Aston vs Ferrari could be interesting next week.

One thing that is a bit irksome is that Clarkson makes a jibe at the chubby guy every episode and the guy has to laugh it off. It's not even funny. :rolleyes:

d.boyd1uk
03-11-2002, 21:30
Originally posted by 8-]
The grannies were amusing.

The Aston vs Ferrari could be interesting next week.

One thing that is a bit irksome is that Clarkson makes a jibe at the chubby guy every episode and the guy has to laugh it off. It's not even funny. :rolleyes:

yeah but they take the mick out of clarksons dress!!

but I do agree, it is annoying

TBH I would rather clarkson on the show by himself

8-]
03-11-2002, 21:40
Originally posted by d.boyd1uk
TBH I would rather clarkson on the show by himself
Yep - that monkey-boy they've got is just too damn chirpy and cheery - he needs a Hannibal Lecter muzzle.

Panavision
04-11-2002, 09:04
They should port over the guy from Driven, slightly chubby...what's his name???

8-]
04-11-2002, 10:17
Originally posted by Panavision
They should port over the guy from Driven, slightly chubby...what's his name???
Mike Brewer? But he's pretty annoying as well!

Panavision
04-11-2002, 17:47
Brewer is cool, but haven't checked out Driven in ages.

Toothy
04-11-2002, 18:40
Originally posted by 8-]
Mike Brewer? But he's pretty annoying as well!
Wot he said. :|

He overdoes the cockney thing. :brickwall

8-]
10-11-2002, 19:09
On tonight's Top Gear:

Jeremy Clarkson drives two supercars, the Ferrari 575 M and the Aston Martin Vanquish, which both feature F1-style paddle-shift gearboxes.

Richard Hammond road-tests a selection of two-litre executive cars produced by Formula One manufacturers.

Guests Steve Coogan and Richard Burns

Doc Jim
10-11-2002, 21:20
..I'd rather have the Vanquish. It looks gorgeous.

8-]
10-11-2002, 21:38
It is a lovely looking car. Presence by the bucketfull

Dan
10-11-2002, 21:38
I'd take them both.

Toothy
10-11-2002, 22:59
I`d take the R34 & blow them both away :)

harry55
10-11-2002, 23:40
why dont they review cars that the general public buy:oh-hum:

this week we had the aston & ferrari for example


h

8-]
10-11-2002, 23:40
Originally posted by Toothy
I`d take the R34 & blow them both away :)
Always wanted a Skyline and the guy who said that you can only get them for £40k was talking rubbish.

The R33 was awesome and the R34.... droool :)

Also they are making a new Skyline.... it just may not be a 6 cylinder turbo......

Philc
11-11-2002, 00:19
They already have a new Skyline but they are not definitely making a GTR.

At last years Tokyo motor show I saw the GTR-35 Concept and it looked amazing.

Nissan could not and would not confirm if they were going to launch the 35.

£40k is a pretty expensive price for an R34 but probably not too far out. Seen them going for £30k upwards (In Japan before the announcement for £15k :nuts:)

When Nissan announce that they were not going to build any more 34's initially all remiaing cars were snapped up.

A week later they said 1,000 more were available. Guess how long it took to sell them?

2 hours and most people paid in full!
:nuts:

Panavision
11-11-2002, 08:33
How stupid was that gearbox on the Aston??? I like semi-automatics, but to go from reverse to 1st you have to midly touch the gas pedal? WTF!!! What a dumb idea, can't you just use the damn paddle to select 1st?

JonnyO
11-11-2002, 08:50
Originally posted by Panavision
How stupid was that gearbox on the Aston??? I like semi-automatics, but to go from reverse to 1st you have to midly touch the gas pedal? WTF!!! What a dumb idea, can't you just use the damn paddle to select 1st?

Eh?
Methinks you misunderstand. You do select 1st by using the paddle. Jeremy's problem was that without a clutch its difficult (when on an incline) to take your foot off the brake and onto the acclerator smoothly and quickly so that you don't roll backwards or take off rather too quickly.

jwillans
11-11-2002, 09:41
I'm fairly sure this is the case. I read an article last week on itv-f1.com (although I'm fairly sure that it has been removed now) which described the accident in the Aston Martin which TG showed last night. It named Damon as the driver.

Originally posted by Ron Hill
If he's thinner than Damon Hill he must be terrified of drain grills and cattle grids. :)

Mandrill
11-11-2002, 09:44
Also Coogan did well to beat Ross kemps time as the track was awful for his lap.What an anorak though :p

snoopstah
11-11-2002, 10:38
why dont they review cars that the general public buy
Musta missed the bit with the Toyota, Renault, Ford, Honda, BMW and Mercedes being tested then?

Methinks you misunderstand. You do select 1st by using the paddle. Jeremy's problem was that without a clutch its difficult (when on an incline) to take your foot off the brake and onto the acclerator smoothly and quickly so that you don't roll backwards or take off rather too quickly.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just use the handbrake to do a hill start without rolling backwards? Seemed odd to me at the time - I think he was overdoing it to make a point.

Also Coogan did well to beat Ross kemps time as the track was awful for his lap.What an anorak though
God that guy was dull. What a pillock.

And they got Richard Burns in, and basically talked to him for 10 seconds before shoving him outside? And got the other pillock to take the car round the track? Did someone mix up their roles or something?!

Dan
11-11-2002, 10:52
I thought they would have given Richard Burns a go around the track.

neonitrix
11-11-2002, 11:33
That if I cut put in a Personal Injury claim for loss of a limb I would be able to afford the new ASTON.

I could get sum1 to lob off my arm with an axe and ASTON martin here i come.


:shocker: Oh Ya just realised you cant drive the ASTON with One Arm due to that silly gear change system.

Baa Hum Bug


neonitrix

snoopstah
11-11-2002, 11:50
Is an Austin Martin the replacement to the Austin Mini?

(Aston, not Austin!)

Bearhorn
11-11-2002, 12:36
Originally posted by neonitrix
:shocker: Oh Ya just realised you cant drive the Austin with One Arm due to that silly gear change system.

Baa Hum Bug


neonitrix

I would have thought that you could not drive, or have great difficulty in driving, the majority of cars (let alone the Aston Martin ;) ) with only one arm unless it has been modified?

8-]
11-11-2002, 13:36
Originally posted by Bearhorn
I would have thought that you could not drive, or have great difficulty in driving, the majority of cars (let alone the Aston Martin ;) ) with only one arm unless it has been modified?
Definitely - I mean if you only had 1 arm how would you eat, use the phone, hold the missus's head down, etc while driving? ;)

Panavision
11-11-2002, 15:15
Originally posted by JonnyO
Eh?
Methinks you misunderstand. You do select 1st by using the paddle. Jeremy's problem was that without a clutch its difficult (when on an incline) to take your foot off the brake and onto the acclerator smoothly and quickly so that you don't roll backwards or take off rather too quickly.

:o :o :o

neonitrix
11-11-2002, 15:37
I was six the day we learnt that word and i was off sick so HA!!!! Oh ya and i am irish so give me a break!!!!

snoopstah
11-11-2002, 19:51
Originally posted by Bearhorn
I would have thought that you could not drive, or have great difficulty in driving, the majority of cars (let alone the Aston Martin ;) ) with only one arm unless it has been modified?
How can you modify an arm to make it better?

Bearhorn
11-11-2002, 21:15
Originally posted by snoopstah
How can you modify an arm to make it better?

I meant modifying the car, however, I appreciate that my statement was ambiguous and so have clarified :D

P.S. you pass the bearhorn test for pedantry :p

Philc
17-11-2002, 20:12
The Merc with Radar Cruise Control :nuts:

Mandrill
17-11-2002, 21:01
That Merc was very nice :notworthy :notworthy

GAmbrose
17-11-2002, 21:38
Which model was it?

Gary A

Mandrill
17-11-2002, 22:14
The S-Class IIRC

8-]
17-11-2002, 22:15
Yep it was the S class.

The Maybach!!!! :eek: The costs of some of those options!!! 20 grand for a wooden divider panel! :eek:

Philc
17-11-2002, 22:36
Yeah but if you owned one or were even thinking of owning one £20k would be pocket change to you.

Stars Car!

8-]
18-11-2002, 00:26
I'd love the day to arrive when £20k was chump change :D

Panavision
18-11-2002, 08:31
Top show again. I hate Peugeot 206s, though. I swear that Ross was going much slower than Enfield around the track :lol:

Digital
18-11-2002, 08:54
A good show, Clarkson very funny for the Merc item. :lol:

I do wish they'd sack the other two presenters, they bore me to death! :mad:

harry55
18-11-2002, 09:58
Originally posted by snoopstah
Musta missed the bit with the Toyota, Renault, Ford, Honda, BMW and Mercedes being tested then?


oh yeah! silly me, 5 minutes airtime for "testing" 6 cars is ample time. :oh-hum:
care to tell me what was tested on each of the cars then?:oh-hum:

h

GoblinUK
18-11-2002, 11:06
The fat one is truly terrible...the little short guy is ok though.

Panavision
18-11-2002, 11:12
The fat one doesn't serve much purpose, give him some more airtime.

Grandmaster
18-11-2002, 17:18
The fat one is supposed to be the newshound and also to do the old Quentin Willson used-car knowledge. It's the short one that I find curious - he seems to serve no purpose other than to be Clarkson's "Mini-Me" - quite literally.

8-]
18-11-2002, 17:33
I thought that the fat one was just a car dealer...... Brewer/Willson type - but not as funny and just laughs at the cracks that Clarkson makes like a trained monkey

Bearhorn
18-11-2002, 18:19
I thought the Bond car on a budget was hilarious - especially the tin foil roof/ejector seat combo (I don't think they ever said how they did the ejector seat - probably for safety reasons as there's bound to be someone who tries it) :lol:

8-]
24-11-2002, 18:06
Tonight on Top Gear:

In this edition the boys are joined by Tara Palmer-Tompkinson, Jeremy road tests Renault's futurist Vel Satis, Richard tries out the sleek new BMW Z4 roadster, and the glamorous grannies return to have a go at handbreak turns

Radiohead
24-11-2002, 19:35
Originally posted by 8-]
Tonight on Top Gear:

In this edition the boys are joined by Tara Palmer-Tompkinson......

WHY!!!!!

The woman's a total waste of space FFS!

I watch to see cars - not sad little coke-heads who shop for a living.

:mad:

Toothy
24-11-2002, 20:12
Loved the NSX Type R. :D

According to the lap times, it`s the best value supercar they`ve tested so far. :dork: :D :thumbs:

8-]
24-11-2002, 20:13
I've always loved the NSX - ever since it came out. I test-drove one once and it was fantastic.... I just couldn't justify buying it as it was too costly :(

Ruskins
24-11-2002, 21:05
clarksons face when they rolled the tape of stig in his SL was bloody priceless :lol:

Toothy
24-11-2002, 21:08
:D

Strange how they didn`t mask the reg plate though. :confused:

BlueDwarf
24-11-2002, 21:11
Was that his number plate though?


T.P.T - W.H.Y?

fattyboombatty
24-11-2002, 21:11
why is clarkson morphing in to a bernard manning/norman tebbit tosspot? those other two non-entities are embarrassingly toady,aswell.

top gear = the ******* son of the daily mail and the sun. :lol:

awfull show, cancel it........NOW!

8-]
24-11-2002, 21:17
Originally posted by Toothy
:D

Strange how they didn`t mask the reg plate though. :confused:
Probably not his real plate.

What was it? something like SL55 AMG ?

snoopstah
24-11-2002, 21:18
The one where Clarkson was driving it was SL55 AMG, but they had a genuine plate on it when the Stig drove it.

Panavision
24-11-2002, 21:20
Top show, Clarkson's face :lol His indian analogy was awful.

8-]
24-11-2002, 21:39
Just checked and it was a normal plate when The Stig drove it - KV02 EUC :dork:

M4Carbine
24-11-2002, 22:04
Am i the only 1 who really doesnt like Clarkson?

I never used to dislike him but, its like he only dislikes things because other ppl like them, and only says things to sound controversial.

I watched the show tonight, first time in a long time and it really seemed to struggle at points. Actually pretty much the whole thing struggled. :(

8-]
24-11-2002, 22:08
He is becoming a caricature of himself accentuating all his idiosynchracies and blowing them well out of proportion... I guess its part of marketing himself......

Panavision
24-11-2002, 22:10
Lacking wit, seems all rehearsed to me in the studio. Rather have Clarksy than anyone else presenting it, though.

8-]
24-11-2002, 22:14
The other 2 are just toadies..... esp the tubby guy....

Obviously the pecking order is:

tubby guy -> short guy -> Clarkson

At The Gates
25-11-2002, 10:45
Is the 3.0 Straight 6 BMW Z4 really slower than the Porsche Boxster??

stoneranger
25-11-2002, 11:21
Originally posted by At The Gates
Is the 3.0 Straight 6 BMW Z4 really slower than the Porsche Boxster??

not very likely! i would have thought they r pretty even... unless you count the Boxster S :)

i also like the way he emphasised the point by saying 'slower, FACT!' , yeah right, whatever :| has it been fully tested yet?? no!

yaffle
25-11-2002, 13:28
Originally posted by 8-]
Just checked and it was a normal plate when The Stig drove it - KV02 EUC :dork:

Looks right - according to Eagle Star, that car is a MERCEDES SL (R230) 5.0 SL 500 Convertible 04966cc Automatic Petrol

8-]
25-11-2002, 13:56
Originally posted by yaffle
Looks right - according to Eagle Star, that car is a MERCEDES SL (R230) 5.0 SL 500 Convertible 04966cc Automatic Petrol
The AMG SL55 is a 5.5 litre supercharged V8. - 5439cc :dork: :)

8-]
25-11-2002, 17:22
Here's the article they talked about - Gay cars http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/ymca.gif :

From http://www.outuk.com/index.html?[url]http://www.outuk.com/content/features/car/index.html :

OutUK's Adrian Gillan reveals our exclusive look at the gayest cars on the road, whether you like to be Smart about town, you're a new Mini kind of guy, or your wheels are a Queer As Folk Jeep. And as revealed on Sunday night's Top Gear on BBC 2, you don't have to be gay to drive these motors...even Jeremy Clarkson's wheels are in the Top 10 at No 4.

Cars might not seem the queerest things, know what I mean mate? A scratch and a sniff. It's more firm pecs than tech specs for most gay guys who'll scarce know a grunt from a purr beneath their bonnet.

Let's face it: some gay men will do almost anything to avoid getting behind a wheel. It's cabs, cabs, cabs with us boys, and sod the expense. We'd sooner take a taxi to the "offie" than walk to the corner. Or for birthdays and treats, we might upgrade to the cool limo or brash Roller of our dreams, with chauffeur in shades. Alternatively, but in equally trenchant vein, some of us turn militant urban warriors bussing it or getting on our bikes.

The best thing about the Smart is probably the price. From £6,265-£9,965 on the road - in a variety of styles from the basic beauty to the sporty and darned cruisy - it's pure urban chic and ever so gay.

That said, many need a bit more hands on - right in the driving seat. You know, foot down eyes front stuff, tearing about town or down to Brighton, but without writhing around in oil letting your spanner loose: car as lifestyle statement, car as basic fashion accessory. From rugged Queer as Folk Jeeps - a bovver boot on wheels, a kind of kitsch urban tank - to summertime open-air cruisers like MG, BMW or Porsche convertibles or classic American retro Chevies with COX 1 plates.

Of course that's the gay theory. In practice most of us just have our anonymous little T-reg Fiestas or Polos. It's a hoot to see uniform guys mincing out of a club all be-leathered and sibilant, rounding the corner to open the door, not of a decommissioned and repossessed armoured carrier, but of an X-reg Seat, and straight back for a nice suburban cuppa.

1. Smart
2. Jeep Wrangler
3. Pink Rolls-Royce
4. Mercedes SL55 AMG
5. New Mini
6. BMW Z8
7. Porsche convertible
8. Classic Chevy
9. New Skoda
10.New Beetle


But the gayest vehicle on the road right now is without doubt the Smart. The ultimate driving accessory - it's so small you just can't miss it! Heads turn as you dart your Smart in and out of traffic, leaving lorries standing and parking in places you've frankly no right.

Perfectly evolved to suit queer needs - gay man and machine in perfect harmony - it's striking and in your face, challenging notions of both masculinity and what a car should be, as it effortlessly out-manoeuvres many a high tonnage of characterless junk out on the road. A right little gay David versus the straight auto Goliaths!

It's a moving sight, a boy in a Smart - such a public display of Fagdom. You don't know whether to laugh or cheer as you shamelessly shop and strum about town, folded up neatly in your little shopping-basket-turned-boy-babe-bucket. So practical, yet so conspicuous!

You can almost hear White Van Man drivers seethe, "Get off the ********* road you little gay ****** - call that a car?" as you cut them up and leave them stranded; all but sense the gay boys cheer, "We'll done mate - just you show 'em!" as you spin about Soho; well nigh bask in gasps of glory filling up your huge bootage with bags of boutique booty, open and shut the auto-roof rain or shine, and thumb your nose at the straight-laced cumbersome, faceless juggernauts that pass for cars as you nip down the gym.

And what a bonus: just two pedals - fast and slow - so it's evens you'll push the right one at the right time. And if you can't handle handles or clock knobs and gears, just switch effortlessly into full autopilot, turn your brain off and - like some surreal dodgem - loose all sense of contact with the road.

General tech specs, in case your father or brother-in-law should ask? Try out some of these: eco-chic two-seater city car from DaimlerChrysler; in a range of styles and specs; options include double-ellipse headlights and steering column 'paddle' gear shift; 7.7 gallon tank for 400 miles plus range; low CO2 emissions and recyclable parts; full "crash management system" and 0-62.5 mph in under 19s, with 85mph tops. A grunt and a sniff - then ask if he'll race you round the block. Mate.

8-]
01-12-2002, 23:00
So what did people think of tonight's show?

Radiohead
01-12-2002, 23:21
Was OK - although I could have done without the "fastest faith" piece.

On a side note, did anyone else spot 'Driven' was on C4 at 4.35pm for an hour? Only caught the last half, but it seemed better than earlier this year.

Strange time to show it though.

8-]
01-12-2002, 23:25
****** - I missed Driven. Didn't realise it was on. WTF were they putting it on a Sunday afternoon for? :confused:

LiGhTfast
01-12-2002, 23:56
forgot about this weeks and of all the bloody channels theres no bbc2 +1 :/

theres bloody shopping channels that have +1 versions i bet now :mad:

Mandrill
02-12-2002, 00:54
Originally posted by 8-]
****** - I missed Driven. Didn't realise it was on. WTF were they putting it on a Sunday afternoon for? :confused:

I noticed too late as well ,but assumed it was probelry a repeat so wasnt too fussed .Damn.

Throught Top Gear was pretty good tonight could still do with more actual road test's though.Some of the cable channel motor programe's are actually better for road testing your every day normal car.

Mr Biggles
02-12-2002, 08:55
Top Gear was alright last night, though the gaumless crowd in the background are a bit annoying. The best moment was weedy boys comment about the BMW having one knob to do 89 different things - not the driver :clap:

Once again they fobbed off Richard Burns though - they showed him doing about 3 corners in the Peugeot and there was no further mention of it or him.

Philc
02-12-2002, 11:52
Makes me glad to be going for the Elise.

Clarkson is a crap drive, the guy from Lotus really showed him how to drive the Elise.

Thought that Prodrive Scooby was pretty awesome. They had obviously never driven an AWD before as they were backing off. Should have floored it and GRIP GRIP GRIP.

Clarkson is just a self-righteous knobhead who just loves the sound of his own voice.

8-]
02-12-2002, 14:38
That Scooby was pretty awesome..... they chickened out, braked and then lost it.....

Seemed a bit unfair to put a guy who races cars 4-5 times a year (regularly - i.e. not just for 1 year) against a bunch of novices!

chillster76
02-12-2002, 17:13
God I hate Clarkson. I mean hate, as in the opposite of love. He fills my heart with blackness, every minute he is in my aura, I feel an empty despair. The sanctimonious goat face. :mad: Someone should tell him the show is about cars, not a soapbox for him to spout his anti government, anti environment, anti public transport views.

8-]
02-12-2002, 17:27
Originally posted by chillster76
God I hate Clarkson. I mean hate, as in the opposite of love. He fills my heart with blackness, every minute he is in my aura, I feel an empty despair. The sanctimonious goat face. :mad: Someone should tell him the show is about cars, not a soapbox for him to spout his anti government, anti environment, anti public transport views. Actually the show is about him and anything he wants to rant on about..... that is what he was brought back to the BBC to do..... present in his patented non-PC bizarre style......

chillster76
02-12-2002, 17:48
Originally posted by 8-]
Actually the show is about him and anything he wants to rant on about..... that is what he was brought back to the BBC to do..... present in his patented non-PC bizarre style......
But they gave him his own show to do that didn't they? One that wasn't about cars. Which perversely I quite enjoyed, whilst managing to maintain an unlying hatred of the bloke.

8-]
02-12-2002, 18:45
Originally posted by chillster76
But they gave him his own show to do that didn't they? One that wasn't about cars. Which perversely I quite enjoyed, whilst managing to maintain an unlying hatred of the bloke. They finished Top Gear, got rid of the other presenters, and then later decided to bring Clarkson back specifically to get an audience......so they don;t care what he does... in fact they probably prefer that he is more un-PC and attention-grabbing than before.....

mr bad example
03-12-2002, 12:23
Originally posted by 8-]
****** - I missed Driven. Didn't realise it was on. WTF were they putting it on a Sunday afternoon for? :confused:

I think they've just edited together the film they had already shot when it was axed last month. Only watched the first bit - got the rest on tape somewhere - but it was introduced as an 'Hour-long 4x4 special'. They then went on to list various bits of the regular stuff they used to do, plus presumably a longer section on off-roaders (how exciting :rolleyes: )

The only bit I'm interested in is whether those blokes got that old Maxi down to Spain or wherever. Might fast forward to find that bit, but when they came on at the beginning with those childish graffiti painted clipboards you remembered how cringeworthy it was ....

mr bad example
04-12-2002, 00:25
Update - I've just watched the rest of the Driven tape:

4X4 bit wasn't bad but hardly enough to call it a 4X4 Special :rolleyes: Decided the X5 was best if you wanted to drive on roads, Range Rover best in mud, & Toyota Amazon best to drive across the desert - no surprises there then.

Maxi adventure thing was quite good - it blew its head gasket in France, luckily near 'British Autos', a garage that fixed old Brit cars (bit of a coincidence?). The guys driving it then got it all the way to Morroco OK and then kind of drove into the middle of the desert where they seemed to leave it for kids to play on :confused:

The rest was the same juvenile cr@p - eg driving bangers around on pallet things to win a clapped out Capri.

Apparently next week's is a 'Rally Special'. Presumably a rally report with other old recorded bits interlaced through it. Probably the last one ....

8-]
04-12-2002, 00:27
Originally posted by mr bad example
Update - I've just watched the rest of the Driven tape:

4X4 bit wasn't bad but hardly enough to call it a 4X4 Special :rolleyes: Decided the X5 was best if you wanted to drive on roads, Range Rover best in mud, & Toyota Amazon best to drive across the desert - no surprises there then.

Maxi adventure thing was quite good - it blew its head gasket in France, luckily near 'British Autos', a garage that fixed old Brit cars (bit of a coincidence?). The guys driving it then got it all the way to Morroco OK and then kind of drove into the middle of the desert where they seemed to leave it for kids to play on :confused:

The rest was the same juvenile cr@p - eg driving bangers around on pallet things to win a clapped out Capri.

Apparently next week's is a 'Rally Special'. Presumably a rally report with other old recorded bits interlaced through it. Probably the last one .... Thanks for the synopsis :thumbs:

Is next week's also on a Sunday afternoon?

mr bad example
04-12-2002, 00:47
Think so - but they said a 'bit earlier' Maybe 4ish?

8-]
04-12-2002, 00:51
Originally posted by mr bad example
Think so - but they said a 'bit earlier' Maybe 4ish? Thanks

I hope I remember this time :)

8-]
08-12-2002, 11:16
On tonight's program:

Jeremy compares the Audi RS6 and the Mercedes E55 AMG, while the engineers at Lotus are challenged to turn an old Lada into a car fit for the racetrack. This week's Power Car is the Maserati 4200GT

Philc
08-12-2002, 20:05
Sorry if I had £55k to spend I would not get a BMW or an Audi.

8-]
08-12-2002, 20:34
Originally posted by Philc
Sorry if I had £55k to spend I would not get a BMW or an Audi. Hell no....

I'd rather get a Skyline and keep the change.....

Or a 911 and keep the change.....

8-]
08-12-2002, 20:39
Sir Michael Gambon - what a class character :notworthy :clap:

Dan
08-12-2002, 21:08
LMAO at Sir Michael Gambon :lol:

LiGhTfast
08-12-2002, 21:17
rofl i loved the white van man challenge :D

Mandrill
08-12-2002, 21:18
Best of series IMHO good road tests on the Audi and Merc as well as the super ''mini'' test.

My mate has an MG 105 very nippy but I dont think it should be in the same class as the Micra ,Jazz etc..

Philc
08-12-2002, 21:50
Best bit was the Lada Lotus, how lucky that guy was he just didn't know.

The job they did was probably better than any other team. It looked quite cool at the end.

Nice 180bhp lump in that lightweight shell is damn impressive. I bet he beats a few of the nova boys away from the lights :lol:

Mandrill
09-12-2002, 02:52
Nice to see the BBC spent £100,000 of our license fee on that Lada

Digital
09-12-2002, 06:24
Very good show, the first I've managed to watch in it's entirety.

Lotus did a superb job on the Lada.

Clarkson seemed even funnier, espcially with the paddle shift gear box :lol:

Panavision
09-12-2002, 08:24
I would've taken the Audio over the Merc. Clarky's Brummie accent was hilarious :lol:

papalaz
09-12-2002, 09:19
Originally posted by Philc

Nice 180bhp lump in that lightweight shell is damn impressive. I bet he beats a few of the nova boys away from the lights :lol:

:lol:

Vauxhall Nova boys :oh-hum: :oh-hum:

CarlP
09-12-2002, 11:25
Originally posted by Mandrill
Nice to see the BBC spent £100,000 of our license fee on that Lada Lotus would have done it for free for the publicity. At worst I should imagine they'd be charging the BBC for parts.

mr bad example
09-12-2002, 14:34
At last a really entertaining car show - loads of new ideas, done in a suitably off-the-wall manner, without being simply childish like Drivel became. Clarkson used to get on my nerves but his utterences on this are hilarious - especially every time someone mentions the V-word :lol:

8-]
09-12-2002, 15:35
Originally posted by Mandrill
Nice to see the BBC spent £100,000 of our license fee on that Lada They said on the program that if you went to Lotus and got them to do what they had done then they would charge you £100,000. Top Gear did not pay Lotus this - that was made clear. I don't know if it was totally free (as a PR exercise) or whether a small fee was charged but it wasn't £100,000 :)

Island Swing
09-12-2002, 16:11
Originally posted by dp2
LMAO at Sir Michael Gambon :lol:


Lifestyles of the rich and famous.. lol at the story of Christian Slater taking him out in his Beetle and steering it with the (I think) indicators.

Before or after Slater dried out I wonder!

Fat Bloke
09-12-2002, 18:47
Originally posted by Stewart Howie
lol at the story of Christian Slater taking him out in his Beetle and steering it with the (I think) indicators. It was the rear windows. You know the kind 3 door cars have...

8-]
11-12-2002, 14:39
Originally posted by Fat Bloke
It was the rear windows. You know the kind 3 door cars have... Michael Gambon specifically said "quarter lights" - he said this numerous times and also went on to say that he was in the back while Christian Slater was in the middle of the front doing the steering - so they can't have been the rear windows. I assume that the really old Beetles used to have external lights that stuck out of the side of the car and swivelled.

8-]
11-12-2002, 14:40
Originally posted by Mandrill
Nice to see the BBC spent £100,000 of our license fee on that Lada I just watched it again and it looks like the only thing that Top Gear paid was £200 for the replacement engine.

Island Swing
11-12-2002, 14:43
Lucky sod then getting his car done up for nowt, who owns Lotus these days that can afford to hand out all that kit?

Guy wants a smack for owning a Lada in the first place and being seemingly happy with it.

Ruskins
11-12-2002, 15:10
hundred grand is sod all even for small car companies, its like the price of 4 cars and as lotus cant shift elises fast enough i doubt they are short of cash.

8-]
11-12-2002, 16:26
Also £100k is how much Joe Public would be charged if they had the work done - i.e. x man hours of work + parts.... it costs Lotus a lot less.

Mandrill
11-12-2002, 16:59
Ok seems it didnt cost £100,00 then they Lada owner was still a nob though :p

Another thing the super 'mini'' test I don't think the MG ZR should be in the same class as the Fiesta etc..

The guy said the were the mid range models which is wrong the Fiesta,Jazz,Micra,C3 were mid ranged but the MG was actually the bottom of the range.The MG starts as a 1.4 and go's up to 1.8 the others start at 1.0 and mostly go as high as 1.6.

I have a Fiesta and my mate has a MG and I wouldent put them in the same class

JonnyO
11-12-2002, 18:23
Originally posted by 8-]
Michael Gambon specifically said "quarter lights" - he said this numerous times and also went on to say that he was in the back while Christian Slater was in the middle of the front doing the steering - so they can't have been the rear windows. I assume that the really old Beetles used to have external lights that stuck out of the side of the car and swivelled.
Quarter lights used to be the term for part of the front side windows. You know on some cars where the fron window is split into two parts, one large part behind that rolls down and one small part in front that doesn't? Well that small part is the 'quarter light' and on beetles they swivel open, hence allowing them to cause drag and steer the car.

JonnyO
11-12-2002, 18:25
Originally posted by Mandrill
Ok seems it didnt cost £100,00 then they Lada owner was still a nob though :p

Another thing the super 'mini'' test I don't think the MG ZR should be in the same class as the Fiesta etc..

The guy said the were the mid range models which is wrong the Fiesta,Jazz,Micra,C3 were mid ranged but the MG was actually the bottom of the range.The MG starts as a 1.4 and go's up to 1.8 the others start at 1.0 and mostly go as high as 1.6.

I have a Fiesta and my mate has a MG and I wouldent put them in the same class
Funny that, pretty much every motoring hack/mag/programme classes them both as superminis and so do i (and probably the rest of the world). Just you then I guess... ;)

8-]
12-12-2002, 18:52
Originally posted by JonnyO
Quarter lights used to be the term for part of the front side windows. You know on some cars where the fron window is pluit into two parts, one large part behind that rolls down and one small part in front that doesn't? Well that small part is the 'quarter light' and on beetles they swivel open, hence allowing them to cause drag and steer the car. Thanks for the info :thumbs:

I didn't know that :)

So - they are small windows at the front?

JonnyO
13-12-2002, 08:43
Originally posted by 8-]
Thanks for the info :thumbs:

I didn't know that :)

So - they are small windows at the front?
Yep, thats right :)

8-]
13-12-2002, 15:25
Originally posted by JonnyO
Yep, thats right :) :thumbs: You learn something every day on the Forums :)

Philc
22-12-2002, 11:43
Up cos it's on tonight

8-]
22-12-2002, 12:50
On tonight's prog:

Jeremy Clarkson tries the Volvo XC90 and the new Renault Espace, Richard Hammond road tests an interesting alternative to the usual family estate, the Subaru Forester, and Jason Dawe gives a second-hand buyer's guide to the Vauxhall Zafira. And the Volkswagen Golf R32 takes on the Top Gear test track

Paul2
22-12-2002, 15:46
Originally posted by JonnyO
Quarter lights used to be the term for part of the front side windows. You know on some cars where the fron window is split into two parts, one large part behind that rolls down and one small part in front that doesn't? Well that small part is the 'quarter light' and on beetles they swivel open, hence allowing them to cause drag and steer the car.

I miss these! A wonderful invention for smokers-you can have the window open, tap your ash out, and it didn't blow back in again!!

kcxdev
22-12-2002, 17:04
Originally posted by Paul2
I miss these! A wonderful invention for smokers-you can have the window open, tap your ash out, and it didn't blow back in again!!

theres must be technique for this, I just had to vac my back seats full of ash :smokin:

Toothy
22-12-2002, 21:14
Loved the Jag-on-a-diet. :lol:

VW should take note, strip out all the useless crap from the R32 and it`ll fly....and sell like hot-cakes too. :nuts:

Dan
22-12-2002, 21:20
Thought that plane bit was rubbish, what was the point as they said it didn't count afterwards.

Toothy
22-12-2002, 21:33
There`s a guy on the Honda-R forums, who has a seriously quick turbo Rex, I think he applied but Top Gear turned him down.

Maybe kcxdev can remember the full story.:)

8-]
22-12-2002, 21:44
Does anyone else think that the MG| supercar looks like a R34 Skyline from the front?

Plane thing was just a cheap stunt imo. If they're not going to allow the time 9as it isn;t road legal) then as dp2 said - it was pointless

Mr Biggles
23-12-2002, 09:17
Was it just me, or did anyone else see the trailers before Top Gear, for what was on BBC2 that night - at the start they used a clip with Vicky Butler Henderson - bit of a mistake surely

mr bad example
23-12-2002, 10:53
Originally posted by 8-]
Does anyone else think that the MG| supercar looks like a R34 Skyline from the front?


Saw the car in the metal at a recent NEC sports car show - believe me it just stops you dead in your tracks. People were just standing around it gawping with their jaws on the ground! That guy who does the styling for MG deserves to be right up there with the top designers in the world. (He even managed to do something with the frontend of the Scooby for goodness sake!)

IMO the reason the Golf R32 is so good is that it can perform this well with all its complement of roadcar kit, rather than being a stripped out track special. Porsche manage this trick as well :thumbs:

kcxdev
23-12-2002, 11:50
Originally posted by Toothy
Maybe kcxdev can remember the full story.:)


hmmm.... don't recall it unfortunately, I don't use the AOB forum over there very much :)

Panavision
30-12-2002, 21:33
All over. Loved the new format, but want more car tests.

Radiohead
30-12-2002, 22:10
Clarkson is really starting to get on my tits now.

Panavision
31-12-2002, 12:02
Not sure about COOL cars, what's the defination of cool?

SOUNDSTYLE
31-12-2002, 14:22
Originally posted by Radiohead
Clarkson is really starting to get on my tits now.
They are all getting on my tits.

Radiohead
31-12-2002, 14:38
You've got a point there

Hammond is just Clarkson's bitch, and Dawes' vocal delivery whines like a stuck pig, which is kind of apt.

Toothy
01-01-2003, 09:59
Wot Radiohead said.

Couldn`t put it better myself. :rocker:

Panavision
01-01-2003, 14:29
Somene from the audience should stand upto Clarky when he calls 'em stupid.

Radiohead
01-01-2003, 17:04
Either that or just wander up and smack in in his fat, smug chops.


:lol:

Deadly Green Poison
01-01-2003, 22:15
Originally posted by Mandrill
Ok seems it didnt cost £100,00 then they Lada owner was still a nob though :p

Another thing the super 'mini'' test I don't think the MG ZR should be in the same class as the Fiesta etc..

The guy said the were the mid range models which is wrong the Fiesta,Jazz,Micra,C3 were mid ranged but the MG was actually the bottom of the range.The MG starts as a 1.4 and go's up to 1.8 the others start at 1.0 and mostly go as high as 1.6.

I have a Fiesta and my mate has a MG and I wouldent put them in the same class


I would. They where all 1.4s. The MG is basically the same as the Rover 25 and you can get that with a 1.1 to 1.6. Fact is the MG was the same size as the Fiesta. It's about the same price, same size engine. How the hell isnt it in the same class???

The tester was right as well, the MG is the most enjoyable to drive.

8-]
03-01-2003, 22:11
Did they say that the next series of Top Gear would be back in Spring?

Nick[Blarg]
03-01-2003, 22:22
They did indeed. Personally can't wait! :thumbs:

8-]
03-01-2003, 22:27
Originally posted by Nick[Blarg]
They did indeed. Personally can't wait! :thumbs: Thanks :)

That was just what I wanted to hear. I like Clarkson and Top Gear as they will continue to get the top cars to review.

8-]
26-01-2003, 10:11
The Best of Top Gear

Sunday 26 Jan 8pm-9pm BBC2

Highlights from the latest series, with Jeremy Clarkson, Jason Dawe and Richard Hammond

Toothy
26-01-2003, 13:52
I missed a couple of episodes, (deleted by mistake on TiVo before watching them), so I`m catching the repeats on UK Horizons. :)

Nick[Blarg]
26-01-2003, 14:39
I hope they Star in a Reasonably Priced car with Sir Gambon.

Loved it when he ripped the mirror off then "jumped" over the final corner :clap: :lol:

8-]
26-01-2003, 15:48
Gambon was excellent - great when interviewed as well, unlike some of the other "stars".

Trully a class character (as well as an excellent actor)

8-]
11-05-2003, 12:58
Series returns tonight at 8pm on BBC2:

Motoring magazine featuring news on the latest cars, presented by Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May. Including a look at the Smart Roadster and Vauxhall's VX220 Turbo, and an attempt to fit a 1985 Jaguar XJS with a nitrous oxide injection kit.

mr bad example
11-05-2003, 18:07
Now be honest guys would you prefer Clarkson or http://members.lycos.co.uk/mrbadexample/vicki.gif