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carrott_girl
25-09-2002, 11:21
...and all TV downloads.
Just a reminder since Buffy S7 has started up again and Angel S4 will be starting soon that discussions on where episodes of these shows may be downloaded are against the T&Cs.
All links to sites offering downloads will be removed so please make out job easier by not posting them in the first place.
Discussion of the actual shows and episodes is, of course, still permitted.
morleyian
25-09-2002, 14:11
Same with Friends Season 9 :nono:
Headstar
25-09-2002, 14:18
well don't forget to report any dodgy threads that we might miss :)
carrott_girl
25-09-2002, 14:27
Originally posted by carrott_girl
...and all TV downloads.
Just quoting this for the 2 blind people who posted.
And as Headstar says, spot something n0rty then report it.
Anyone who downloads them from websites (no doubt in "fantastic" RealVideo or Windows Media format) deserves to be banned anyway. ;)
So do we get the Buffy sub-forum back now?
Originally posted by carrott_girl
Just quoting this for the 2 blind people who posted.
And as Headstar says, spot something n0rty then report it.
yeah, i mentioned it as it was the "main offender" last season, i aint blind :mad: ;)
carrott_girl
25-09-2002, 16:36
RPG - is you sulking? :lol: hehehe.
TheFly - not yet. No promises were made to bring it back but, as I said back when it was removed, if there becomes a real need for one then I'll be the first person to suggest it to the rest of the mods.
no a sulk is usually :( :dork:
gavinhanly
25-09-2002, 17:39
Originally posted by TheFly
So do we get the Buffy sub-forum back now?
Hope not - the TV forum has massively improved since it was all simplified.
But wait till the various buffy threads for each episode appear then you'll hate it :D
Originally posted by TheFly
Anyone who downloads them from websites (no doubt in "fantastic" RealVideo or Windows Media format) deserves to be banned anyway. ;)
So do we get the Buffy sub-forum back now?
The ones in realvideo weren't that bad...
Originally posted by RES999
The ones in realvideo weren't that bad...
Are you on cake mate?
Why does someone deserve to be banned cos they download a tv episode :rolleyes:
Originally posted by carrott_girl
Just a reminder since Buffy S7 has started up again and Angel S4 will be starting soon that discussions on where episodes of these shows may be downloaded are against the T&Cs.
All links to sites offering downloads will be removed so please make out job easier by not posting them in the first place.
You won't catch me doing that and then sending video CD's to certain forum members who have the name of a vegetable in their name, so don't worry about me ;) !
Originally posted by gavinhanly
Hope not - the TV forum has massively improved since it was all simplified.
You have to be kidding. The TV forum is virtually unusable now the sub-forums are gone.
MrSpoons
25-09-2002, 22:10
sorry mods my fault, won't happen again
gavinhanly
25-09-2002, 23:29
Originally posted by TheFly
You have to be kidding. The TV forum is virtually unusable now the sub-forums are gone.
I found all the sub forums were rarely updated - maybe 2 - 3 posts a day, and as a result not many people used them.
At least the single forum has a bit of life about it. After all, the DVD forum doesn't need a sub-division for every genre...
carrott_girl
26-09-2002, 12:01
Originally posted by Adge
You won't catch me doing that and then sending video CD's to certain forum members who have the name of a vegetable in their name, so don't worry about me ;) !
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Tell me who it is and I'll ban 'em!!! :p
I think everybody knows where to get these from anyway.If not they must have been living on Mars for the last year.:)
Headstar
26-09-2002, 14:17
maybe so, but we don't like to advocate piracy on the forums ;)
*Takes off bandana, peg leg and eye patch, snaps plastic sword and runs off to sulk*
Headstar
27-09-2002, 09:02
Originally posted by Willow
*Takes off bandana, peg leg and eye patch, snaps plastic sword and runs off to sulk*
Arrrrr! ;)
Surely it should be "hops off to sulk" seeing as how you took off your peg leg? :p
It was purrtend :rolleyes: ;)
http://members.lycos.co.uk/pentasa/images/pirate_smiley.gif
Originally posted by TheFly
You have to be kidding. The TV forum is virtually unusable now the sub-forums are gone.
I have to agree 100%. If someone couldn't make head nor tail of the TV forums when the sub-areas were around, there has to be something wrong with their ability to think. What difference does it make to someone who isn't interested in a show if the relevant sub-forum is only updated occasionally? If you're not interested in that show, why does it bother you?
Out of interest, was the legality (or otherwise) of allowing download links, VCD exchanges, etc., ever proven 100%? I seem to recall the mods only closed the respective threads, e.g. Alias, 24, etc., after a thread was started by one member, and suddenly the mods got scared and shut everything down, albeit after giving a few days notice to wind things up. After all, the 24 and Alias threads existed for at least 1-2 weeks before the mods intervened, which implied no problems before that time.
Curiously, I notice carrott_girl has seen the season 7 premiere of Buffy, so isn't that failing to practice what you preach? Should any Buffy season 7 discussion threads be closed down until Sky begin their run in January as the source material is likely to have been obtained illegally? Can't see that happening! :p
OddlyShapedCactus
02-10-2002, 18:30
Originally posted by cervaro
Curiously, I notice carrott_girl has seen the season 7 premiere of Buffy, so isn't that failing to practice what you preach? Should any Buffy season 7 discussion threads be closed down until Sky begin their run in January as the source material is likely to have been obtained illegally? Can't see that happening! :p
there's a slight difference between watching tv shows yourself, and discussing the copying and distribution of them on a public forum, no?
Also, even though the legality of tv show downloading etc is kind of a grey area, it is quite obvious what side of the legality line it is likely to fall on should it be studied and I completely agree with the forum owners about keeping it off the forums altogether. It would not be worth risking this place being shut down (unlikely, but hey), just so a few people can see a tv show a few months earlier than they would normally
carrott_girl
03-10-2002, 18:04
Originally posted by cervaro
Curiously, I notice carrott_girl has seen the season 7 premiere of Buffy, so isn't that failing to practice what you preach? Should any Buffy season 7 discussion threads be closed down until Sky begin their run in January as the source material is likely to have been obtained illegally? Can't see that happening! :p
EDIT - misunderstood cervaro. Apologies. :)
I was replying to someone who said they felt the TV forums were confusing with them around.
Insult me if you want, but I've got more important things to be bothered about. :(
Good to see CG taking the polite but firm approach we expect from the mods. Oh wait...
No wonder everyone was complaining that you stood out from the rest of the mods as incompetent a few weeks back.
Doh - did I say something I shouldn't?
gavinhanly
03-10-2002, 21:42
Originally posted by cervaro
I was replying to someone who said they felt the TV forums were confusing with them around.
Eh? No I wasn't. I said that the sub forums were used fairly rarely compared to all the main forums. Even the Buffy and Star Trek forums - which in theory should have been heavily updated - had about only about 1 or 2 posts on some days. It was boring.
With all the threads being in a general area, the TV forum seems to be getting WAY more use than it used to. And threads that would have been in hidden in sub forums are attracting more interest from the general TV forum surfers.
Apologies for the misinterpretation in that case. It was the quote below that I used as the basis for my original post, particularly the word simplified, which I took to imply confusion.
Originally posted by gavinhanly
Hope not - the TV forum has massively improved since it was all simplified.
I liked the individual approach, more neat and tidy to a programmers eye.
Originally posted by TheFly
Good to see CG taking the polite but firm approach we expect from the mods. Oh wait...
No wonder everyone was complaining that you stood out from the rest of the mods as incompetent a few weeks back.
Doh - did I say something I shouldn't?
http://www.cyberman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/swat.jpg
:D
Originally posted by TheFly
Good to see CG taking the polite but firm approach we expect from the mods. Oh wait...
No wonder everyone was complaining that you stood out from the rest of the mods as incompetent a few weeks back.
Doh - did I say something I shouldn't?
:eek:
/me issues the handbags:p
I didn't want to start a thread on this subject just to get it closed down. But the rules on this forum are quite ridiculous for new seasons of american shows.
How can it be permitted to discuss specific episodes and at the same time leap upon any discussion of obtaining them illegally.
This forum is currently discussing new episodes of Buffy, Angel, Charmed, Firefly, Sopranos, ER, amongst others.
This is only possible if you are based in the US (a tiny percentage of the forum) or using specialised SAT equipment (again, a tiny percentage) : or viewing the shows illegally.
Either allow both or disallow both.
Then maybe the rules would have a bit of credability.
ProgressiveScan
08-10-2002, 06:21
Originally posted by OddlyShapedCactus
Also, even though the legality of tv show downloading etc is kind of a grey area, it is quite obvious what side of the legality line it is likely to fall on should it be studied and I completely agree with the forum owners about keeping it off the forums altogether. It would not be worth risking this place being shut down (unlikely, but hey), just so a few people can see a tv show a few months earlier than they would normally
Copyright rules are quite clear; you're only allowed to keep a TV recording which falls under standard copyright rules for 24 hours unless you have received a licence from the copyright holder to keep the recording in perpetuity (under strict conditions; ie you don't lend it, etc, etc) - this licence is usually granted with a notice on the box or on the medium itself..
BTW the 24 hour rule also applies to things like internet movie trailers and adverts too, but not for ideas and discussion of copyrighted works.
Headstar
08-10-2002, 09:55
Originally posted by dunkrag
I didn't want to start a thread on this subject just to get it closed down. But the rules on this forum are quite ridiculous for new seasons of american shows.
How can it be permitted to discuss specific episodes and at the same time leap upon any discussion of obtaining them illegally.
This forum is currently discussing new episodes of Buffy, Angel, Charmed, Firefly, Sopranos, ER, amongst others.
This is only possible if you are based in the US (a tiny percentage of the forum) or using specialised SAT equipment (again, a tiny percentage) : or viewing the shows illegally.
Either allow both or disallow both.
Then maybe the rules would have a bit of credability.
A few people have specialised equipment to allow them to see US shows......we can't stop people discussing shows and their content (as long as spoilers are used ;) ) but we do NOT allow links to sites where they can be downloaded from or people asking where they can get them from.
We can't possibly control what people get up to in their own time, but we do not allow discussion of how people have managed to illegally see the latest episode of whatever on the forums and/or linkage to where they saw it.
Originally posted by Headstar
A few people have specialised equipment to allow them to see US shows......we can't stop people discussing shows and their content (as long as spoilers are used ;) ) but we do NOT allow links to sites where they can be downloaded from or people asking where they can get them from.
We can't possibly control what people get up to in their own time, but we do not allow discussion of how people have managed to illegally see the latest episode of whatever on the forums and/or linkage to where they saw it.
Agreed :clap:
Oh and remember some of us get to see it on broadcast TV ;) And seeing as I seem to start, or contribute to, a reasonable percentage of these threads I would definately not want them to be stopped, I like providing spoilers for those less fortunate people in the UK and discussinf the episodes with those who have seen them (however they have seen them).
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
Copyright rules are quite clear; you're only allowed to keep a TV recording which falls under standard copyright rules for 24 hours unless you have received a licence from the copyright holder to keep the recording in perpetuity (under strict conditions; ie you don't lend it, etc, etc) - this licence is usually granted with a notice on the box or on the medium itself..
BTW the 24 hour rule also applies to things like internet movie trailers and adverts too, but not for ideas and discussion of copyrighted works.
Well said that man. I'm bloody sick of people taking copyrighted material and passing it on as if it were there own. And then some people taking the "do as i say, not do as i do" approach. Makes me sick.
Can I get Triple X on one cd yet??:smokin:
of course its ok to discuss programs that might have been viewed illegally. I bet half the threads in the music forums are about tracks people have heard on MP3! Not to mention Divx...
If there was discussion about something that must have been viewed ilegally, the users are incriminating themselves, not the forums.
However, if the forums are providing a medium through which TV shows can be sourced, then they are 'accomplices'.
IndyMode
28-10-2002, 14:40
Originally posted by Kryten
Agreed :clap:
Oh and remember some of us get to see it on broadcast TV ;)
Yes we do (or at least when the broadcast networks don't screw up we do) and I love talking about whats going on the the shows with others here in the know:)
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
Copyright rules are quite clear; you're only allowed to keep a TV recording which falls under standard copyright rules for 24 hours unless you have received a licence from the copyright holder to keep the recording in perpetuity (under strict conditions; ie you don't lend it, etc, etc) - this licence is usually granted with a notice on the box or on the medium itself..
BTW the 24 hour rule also applies to things like internet movie trailers and adverts too, but not for ideas and discussion of copyrighted works.
Damn! I taped something on Wednesday night that I haven't watched yet! Does this mean I'm now a criminal for possessing illegally obtained material?
Am I supposed to either destroy a video tape each time I don't use it again within 24 hours????
Originally posted by ProgressiveScan
Copyright rules are quite clear; you're only allowed to keep a TV recording which falls under standard copyright rules for 24 hours unless you have received a licence from the copyright holder to keep the recording in perpetuity (under strict conditions; ie you don't lend it, etc, etc) - this licence is usually granted with a notice on the box or on the medium itself..
BTW the 24 hour rule also applies to things like internet movie trailers and adverts too, but not for ideas and discussion of copyrighted works.
Don't know where you've got this idea, but in the UK at least this isn't the case.
The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act of 1988 states in respect of time-shifted recordings that:
"The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in it."
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_4.htm#mdiv70
DVDWotcha
10-12-2002, 18:02
OK, so it's not illegal to make private copies for domestic use, however, distribution to others would be illegal I guess.
The whole thing is stupid though, if you think about it. Most shows eventually get screened sometime or another, so given that we all pay our license fee or subscribe to digital services, we will eventually pay for it anyway whether we download it from the net in advance or wait for it to come on TV. If you download from the net, you are effectively getting it on "interest free credit" as it were.
well this is true, but at the same time the only reason people pay to get sky is to get 'credit', so therefore you are obtaining something you should be paying for :dork:
(I liEK Buffy Seson 7 and 24 season 2 :lol: )
We're trying to be careful about discussing TV downloads in a couple of threads, but would it be permitted to post the location of a forum or mailing list that discussed this subject?
ie, if someone asks "Where do you get this stuff" one could reply "We're not allowed to discuss that on these forums but you can ask that question here: [link to other list/forum]".
Not gonna argue this, as far as I'm concerned a Mods word is final.
Deaks.
Originally posted by Deaks
We're trying to be careful about discussing TV downloads in a couple of threads, but would it be permitted to post the location of a forum or mailing list that discussed this subject?
ie, if someone asks "Where do you get this stuff" one could reply "We're not allowed to discuss that on these forums but you can ask that question here: [link to other list/forum]".
Not gonna argue this, as far as I'm concerned a Mods word is final.
Deaks.
Not really. In the same way that we do not allow the linking to sites/forums regarding x-box mod chips etc. Its easier for us just to leave it to be no discussion on where to get them.
I would have thought by now that most of the people on the forums could have figured out at least two separate ways of getting tv episodes from the Console & Computing forum especially!
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